General Conference April 2022 - Rumors / and live thread

[Subcomandante]

The Rumor is around Heavenly Mother, and a 'heavenly hush' about her. The inappropriateness of praying to Heavenly Mother and that the use of heavenly parents is all lower case. We'll see but that's the only rumor I hear rumbles about.

Here we go!

That post aged very well!

I would also like to add the manner that Elder Renlund addressed the women tonight. It is as anti-woke as one can get, without sounding to the outsider or cursory insider as anti-woke. This is the best that we are going to be able to hope for, which isn't bad. Imagine if he were to break out about LGBT+ issues like Presidents Kimball or Benson back in the day. The Church's ability to send its message out to the world would be severely impacted. So for now, we wait upon the Lord, while we do good things. This is called SBR in the Semitic languages, an active patience, not a passive one.

[Being There]

They preach repentance each and every conference.

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I'm sorry, but could you please point out which talk is calling anyone to repentance? I can't seem to find it.

that's because false prophets don't do those kind of things.
They ask us to be "Good Global Citizens and join satan and his servants (World leaders) -
which Nelson is one of.
viewtopic.php?p=1253504#p1253504

viewtopic.php?p=1253273#p1253273

Well good! Now we know that he's a true prophet since he did preach repentance!

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... n?lang=eng

repentance ! lol.

more like
Well good! Now we know that he's a true false prophet, and a hypocrite,
since we know he speaks of repentance, yet he repents not himself of the evils
the church is doing - with all their ties with evil organizations and investments with Babylon;
not even to mention the many that may have died (following their false prophet) as a result of his "godsend" - (evil poison given by satan's servants which he serves.

this scripture comes to mind
*** 13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me,
but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

[spiritMan]

The Rumor is around Heavenly Mother, and a 'heavenly hush' about her. The inappropriateness of praying to Heavenly Mother and that the use of heavenly parents is all lower case. We'll see but that's the only rumor I hear rumbles about.

Here we go!

Imagine if he were to break out about LGBT+ issues like Presidents Kimball or Benson back in the day. The Church's ability to send its message out to the world would be severely impacted.

Oh please. My goodness what a bunch of sniveling, weak-willed, spineless do-gooders.

Where is this groveling, sniveling message preached in the Scriptures? What prophet said "well you see I simply can not teach truth because people might reject the message!"

I can not wait for the day when the "conservatives" in the Church stop carrying water for a weak-kneed, groveling, spineless leaders who are about as forceful as a church-mouse.

[spiritMan]

The Rumor is around Heavenly Mother, and a 'heavenly hush' about her. The inappropriateness of praying to Heavenly Mother and that the use of heavenly parents is all lower case. We'll see but that's the only rumor I hear rumbles about.

Here we go!

The Church's ability to send its message out to the world would be severely impacted.

Maybe you haven't noticed . . .but the Church's growth rate is .85% last year. You have to go all the way back to the 1850s (170 years ago!!!) to find growth rates that low. And a 2 year average of .75% growth.

And this is not a new thing; the Church hasn't been above 2% growth since 2013.

The Church very, very soon is going to have NEGATIVE growth rates . . . so keep carrying water for a bunch of spineless leaders groveling about how they can't teach plain truth b/c our ability to get "the message out" would be "severely impacted".

My goodness, what a despicable bunch of soft, weak-willed people we have become.

[Artaxerxes]

I'm sorry, but could you please point out which talk is calling anyone to repentance? I can't seem to find it.

that's because false prophets don't do those kind of things.
They ask us to be "Good Global Citizens and join satan and his servants (World leaders) -
which Nelson is one of.
viewtopic.php?p=1253504#p1253504

viewtopic.php?p=1253273#p1253273

Well good! Now we know that he's a true prophet since he did preach repentance!

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... n?lang=eng

repentance ! lol.

more like
Well good! Now we know that he's a true false prophet, and a hypocrite,
since we know he speaks of repentance, yet he repents not himself of the evils
the church is doing - with all their ties with evil organizations and investments with Babylon;
not even to mention the many that may have died (following their false prophet) as a result of his "godsend" - (evil poison given by satan's servants which he serves.

this scripture comes to mind
*** 13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me,
but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

Let me know if you need help moving those goal posts

[Artaxerxes]

The Rumor is around Heavenly Mother, and a 'heavenly hush' about her. The inappropriateness of praying to Heavenly Mother and that the use of heavenly parents is all lower case. We'll see but that's the only rumor I hear rumbles about.

Here we go!

Imagine if he were to break out about LGBT+ issues like Presidents Kimball or Benson back in the day. The Church's ability to send its message out to the world would be severely impacted.

Oh please. My goodness what a bunch of sniveling, weak-willed, spineless do-gooders.

Where is this groveling, sniveling message preached in the Scriptures? What prophet said "well you see I simply can not teach truth because people might reject the message!"

I can not wait for the day when the "conservatives" in the Church stop carrying water for a weak-kneed, groveling, spineless leaders who are about as forceful as a church-mouse.

What prophet would say that? Ummmm.... Joseph Smith said exactly that: "Even the Saints are slow to understand. I have tried for a number of years to get the minds of the saints prepared to receive the things of God, but we frequently see some of them, after suffering all they have for the work of God will fly to pieces like glass, as soon as anything comes that is contrary to their traditions; they cannot stand the fire at all; how many will be able to abide a celestial law and go through, and receive their exaltation, I am unable to say; as many are called but few are chosen.”

Was he another weak-kneed, groveling, spineless leader?

[EvanLM]

ok . . .just listened to Nelson's opening remarks. . . . filled with telling missionaries, the youth and senior couples how wonderful they are . . .lots of goody words . . .I liked that . . . but he did say

"the world is rocked by conflict" . . I think he is talking a bout Russia who is helping the russians of two provinces make their provinces independent like he did with Crimea . . so . . that would be a civil war . . . ummmmm . . . not a russian takeover since the two provinces, like Crimea are full of russians . . more russians than ukrainians . . .but the world is rocked by conflict? hm

hmmmm are you feeling it in America or UK or China or India or France or Spain or Chile or Argentina, Venezuela, Mexico, samoa, or anywhere other than Ukraine? pretty good hype there . . and for what reason? The world is so concerned that NATO has done nothing, UK has done nothing . . . etc.

"millions have been affected and we should plead with nations for peace? "maybe I can plead with russia . . .but what other nations? would I plead with?

next: "the gospel is the only solution" . . . .really? . . .prophets have spoken to us . . .really . . . check it out . . every prophet, including Christ, that has seen our day and recorded anything . . .well, they didn't tell us that the gospel was the solution . . .here's the word . . .repentance . . sorry . . . they didn't even tell us that the covenant is the solution . . . they told us to repent

"the gospel is the only answer to peace . . . for those stunned with fear" . . . WHO is stunned with fear ? French, Samoans, Finnish? I think coming to Christ is the solution and repentance will remove fear . . .the answer to peace is Christ . . not a gospel that represents him . . .Christ himself . . .relationship with Christ . .

this is a " pivotal and unprecedented time?" He loves big words . . .

gather Israel is mentioned with our responsibility . . . we haven't started gathering Israel . . we have only gathered gentiles and a few . . very few Israel have been gathered. . . 98% gentiles have been gathered since it is the day of the gentiles and it isn't over yet . . . 2% Israel . . .the literal gathering of Israel hasn't started . . . mostly gentiles are moving to Independence and that is where Israel is gathered . . .not in a home . . not in Utah . . .the Prophets that he is referring to have said it is Independence and Jerusalem . . .hmmmmmm . . . am I missing something int he news . . .large groups of people moving around but not to Jerusalem . . .

"everyone deserves to know ". . . I believed this when I served my first mission in the 70s . . .I killed myself knocking as many doors as I could and then more . . . today, the program is that the missionaries do not contact people or call them or knock on their doors . . .They wait for a response to an internet message sent out by the church . . then they teach internet . . or they wait for the members to find someone . . . this style of missionary work kinda of shoots that idea down, now doesn't it . . .

most members circle of nonmember friends is limited and unless they change jobs often or move or something . . then their circle doesn't get much bigger . . . not many contacts that way . . no one's fault . . . just reality

so . . . uh . . . sending missionaries is gonna remove the curse that our church is under ? well, I guess that is a good plan by a man who just said that the world is rocked by conflict and we plead with nations . . .hmmmm . . doesn't this contradict the idea that missionaries are gonna be sent allover the world? . . lots of posts her prove that it wasn't the case in WW2 . . .when nations were really at conflict . . . missionaries didn't go out . . .many countries were closed . . .so which is it? . . enormously unprecedented or just another day in the life and we need to pump it up . . .

but the youth has been sent for this time . . .words of ETB 40 years ago . . maybe it will still work . . . I hear the drums beat in the background . . . ETB wasn't talking about the kids today . . he said many who heard his words . . . the missionaries of today weren't born yet . . . .well, maybe they were listening in from the other side . . .no . . this line is getting old . . the Lord prevail is truly a Nelson quote . . .never heard it before . . not sure what it means . . but unique

and, sure as shooting, he just put the fear of God into everyone that hadn't thought about it that much . .

now, arx . . .I am one of the most faithful saints in this church . . . I believe that this is the prophet God has called for this day . . . no doubt . . . I have spent years repenting of things that
you wouldn't even think of and that is how I know about the importance of repentance . . . . this practice has allowed revelation like I have never known . . . peace that has evaded me for years and humility towards God and my fellowman that has never burned in my heart as much as it does now . . . .

however, I think that this prophet is weak and confusing . . . . he seems to enjoy modeling the current government leaders of our day . . . and when the prophet says it is bad then we better fear . . . but, no suggestions to repent . .

this is the only time you would read a post of me doing this . . . cuz I think they are good guys . . . I'm tired of milk . . .

I think this is actually what the Lord meant . . . endure to the end of the milk. . . . then I 'll send the messengers who will teach the higher law . . . .

[kittycat51]

It does not list pages and pages of known effects

Here you go. 9 pages in small print from the Pfizer dump of known possible side effects.

https://media.mercola.com/assets/images ... elease.jpg

[spiritMan]

The Rumor is around Heavenly Mother, and a 'heavenly hush' about her. The inappropriateness of praying to Heavenly Mother and that the use of heavenly parents is all lower case. We'll see but that's the only rumor I hear rumbles about.

Here we go!

Imagine if he were to break out about LGBT+ issues like Presidents Kimball or Benson back in the day.

You might be surprised; there are plenty of people who want a religious organization that doesn't bend the knee to "the current thing", considering so few religions actually do that these days you might find a really willing audience.

The Church is only 16.8 million out of a world population of 7 billion. For pete's sake the US population is 330 million and the Church membership inside the US is at best 8 million.

I think there is a huge audience even in the US for religions that cut the bull with all this compromise crap.

How many people are absolutely fed up with transgenders in women's sports. . . . . how many women (and men) mutilate their bodies for this sickness? There is absolutely a huge audience for any religion that condemned this sickness.

But no, instead we get the Church preening about how it "compromised" with the LGBTQ+ to provide "protections" in Arizona . . .which is a bill that prevents youth from receiving ANY help to not transition.

When people find out that the Church is for a bill that prevents PARENTS from seeking help for their children from professional services to help them realize they are the sex they are born as . . . that's a major WTF.

And Anderson applauding it . . .what a sicko; the guy is sick in the head for applauding this bill.

[spiritMan]

Here we go!

Imagine if he were to break out about LGBT+ issues like Presidents Kimball or Benson back in the day. The Church's ability to send its message out to the world would be severely impacted.

Oh please. My goodness what a bunch of sniveling, weak-willed, spineless do-gooders.

Where is this groveling, sniveling message preached in the Scriptures? What prophet said "well you see I simply can not teach truth because people might reject the message!"

I can not wait for the day when the "conservatives" in the Church stop carrying water for a weak-kneed, groveling, spineless leaders who are about as forceful as a church-mouse.

What prophet would say that? Ummmm.... Joseph Smith said exactly that: "Even the Saints are slow to understand. I have tried for a number of years to get the minds of the saints prepared to receive the things of God, but we frequently see some of them, after suffering all they have for the work of God will fly to pieces like glass, as soon as anything comes that is contrary to their traditions; they cannot stand the fire at all; how many will be able to abide a celestial law and go through, and receive their exaltation, I am unable to say; as many are called but few are chosen.”

Was he another weak-kneed, groveling, spineless leader?

Where did he back-peddle on what prophets taught?

Kimbell taught directly against homosexuality. Our current leaders do not.
JS never backpeddled unlike our groveling "leaders".

[Artaxerxes]

Imagine if he were to break out about LGBT+ issues like Presidents Kimball or Benson back in the day. The Church's ability to send its message out to the world would be severely impacted.

Oh please. My goodness what a bunch of sniveling, weak-willed, spineless do-gooders.

Where is this groveling, sniveling message preached in the Scriptures? What prophet said "well you see I simply can not teach truth because people might reject the message!"

I can not wait for the day when the "conservatives" in the Church stop carrying water for a weak-kneed, groveling, spineless leaders who are about as forceful as a church-mouse.

What prophet would say that? Ummmm.... Joseph Smith said exactly that: "Even the Saints are slow to understand. I have tried for a number of years to get the minds of the saints prepared to receive the things of God, but we frequently see some of them, after suffering all they have for the work of God will fly to pieces like glass, as soon as anything comes that is contrary to their traditions; they cannot stand the fire at all; how many will be able to abide a celestial law and go through, and receive their exaltation, I am unable to say; as many are called but few are chosen.”

Was he another weak-kneed, groveling, spineless leader?

Where did he back-peddle on what prophets taught?

Kimbell taught directly against homosexuality. Our current leaders do not.
JS never backpeddled unlike our groveling "leaders".

That isn't what you claimed. The issue was teaching the truth. Did Joseph say exactly what you were claiming a prophet wouldn't say?

[marc]

My goodness, what a despicable bunch of soft, weak-willed people we have become.

Not me. I've been very bold, pushing the envelope in my ward for the last eight years since I moved in. It made me a bit of a pariah, though I have exercised gentle persuasion and longsuffering in my service, but now I'm the gospel doctrine teacher and I still teach "new" bold things, drawing from Joseph Smith, Isaiah, etc. I published a book and sell it at cost and give it away to my neighbors and local people. I don't mince words about the Lectures on Faith, our condemnation, etc. The boldest blog entry I published and shared with my ward and the world is this:

https://latterdaylamanite.com/2017/05/1 ... of-isaiah/

I speak point blank at my own community. I call out my elected representatives like my Senator Mitt Romney and refer to him as a Gadianton puppet, particularly when he touts the "global order" in his Facebook posts. Everybody who knows me knows unequivocally where I stand. My line in the sand is deep and unmistakable. I picked my hill to die on years ago.

[EvanLM]

The Rumor is around Heavenly Mother, and a 'heavenly hush' about her. The inappropriateness of praying to Heavenly Mother and that the use of heavenly parents is all lower case. We'll see but that's the only rumor I hear rumbles about.

Here we go!

That post aged very well!

I would also like to add the manner that Elder Renlund addressed the women tonight. It is as anti-woke as one can get, without sounding to the outsider or cursory insider as anti-woke. This is the best that we are going to be able to hope for, which isn't bad. Imagine if he were to break out about LGBT+ issues like Presidents Kimball or Benson back in the day. The Church's ability to send its message out to the world would be severely impacted. So for now, we wait upon the Lord, while we do good things. This is called SBR in the Semitic languages, an active patience, not a passive one.

this is the first time I have heard you sound woke . . .how can you judge woke when you are it . . . . your comment about not being honest regarding LGBTQ, . . but following social pressure to not mention it is woke . . . you are woke . . . the large and spacious building mocking Kimball and Benson . . I'm feeling it . . .

btw . . .our brothers and sisters cannot obtain progress when they do not live the laws of Christ and his gospel . . but what do we care . . we all have a chance to get to the CK . . . less people to share it with . . .hmmmmmm . . .maybe I'm liking the trend of this gospel after all . . . I can get along with the whole program if I just lower my standards . . .

[Mamabear]

The Rumor is around Heavenly Mother, and a 'heavenly hush' about her. The inappropriateness of praying to Heavenly Mother and that the use of heavenly parents is all lower case. We'll see but that's the only rumor I hear rumbles about.

Here we go!

That post aged very well!

I would also like to add the manner that Elder Renlund addressed the women tonight. It is as anti-woke as one can get, without sounding to the outsider or cursory insider as anti-woke. This is the best that we are going to be able to hope for, which isn't bad. Imagine if he were to break out about LGBT+ issues like Presidents Kimball or Benson back in the day. The Church's ability to send its message out to the world would be severely impacted. So for now, we wait upon the Lord, while we do good things. This is called SBR in the Semitic languages, an active patience, not a passive one.

I didn’t watch. But I will say that we are supposed to be hated by the world. It’s what Christ taught.
I dont believe the the church would be severely impacted as you said. I think people right now need the gospel and are tired of their churches caving to the world. Religion is collapsing because people have realized their churches are an arm of the government and run by elites.
I imagine if the church stepped up and spoke out with power against sin and wicked governments, they might be well received by true believers.

[EvanLM]

My goodness, what a despicable bunch of soft, weak-willed people we have become.

Not me. I've been very bold, pushing the envelope in my ward for the last eight years since I moved in. It made me a bit of a pariah, though I have exercised gentle persuasion and longsuffering in my service, but now I'm the gospel doctrine teacher and I still teach "new" bold things, drawing from Joseph Smith, Isaiah, etc. I published a book and sell it at cost and give it away to my neighbors and local people. I don't mince words about the Lectures on Faith, our condemnation, etc. The boldest blog entry I published and shared with my ward and the world is this:

https://latterdaylamanite.com/2017/05/1 ... of-isaiah/

I speak point blank at my own community. I call out my elected representatives like my Senator Mitt Romney and refer to him as a Gadianton puppet, particularly when he touts the "global order" in his Facebook posts. Everybody who knows me knows unequivocally where I stand. My line in the sand is deep and unmistakable. I picked my hill to die on years ago.

thaaaaaaank you . . .God bless you . . . .

[madvin]

I guess you missed the memo of insurance companies reporting a 40% increase in deaths of 18 to 64 year old since the jab rollout. Not covid related.

...and the VAERS data memo

....and the DOD leaked information memo

...and that athletes are dying at record rates.

All this has been posted numerous times by numerous people on this forum, all verified information.

Yet...you say we don't have information.

WHY would you continue to say that??????

All kinds of causes of death are up. Homicides are way up. Overdoses are up. Suicides are up. Is the vax causing all of these homicides?

I've discussed the vaers data many times. It still lists gun shot wounds and drownings of they're within a few days of the vax. I still don't understand why anyone would rely on this kind of data.

Athletes are not dying are record rates. Please provide any study that suggests that.

There is simply no credible evidence for the extreme positions on here.

You should consider becoming a fact-checker. If you are waiting for the main stream media to give you the truth about the EXPERIMENTAL injection deaths, you will have a long wait.

Pfizer asked for 55,000 pages of public documents about their adverse effects of their EXPERIMENTAL injections (which are not at all like vaccines . . . until they changed the definition of vaccines) be sealed for 75 years. Why?

From those 55,000 pages we find in 2021, 1810 deaths from Pfizer and 1832 deaths from Moderna have been documented. As a comparison, back in the 1980's, when less than a dozen deaths happened because of their vaccines, they pulled it off the market right away.

But it's the systemic damage to the body that is a huge problem. Pfizer had 145,664 and Moderna had 236,316 from the 1st dose alone in 2021, and it isn't slowing up in 2022.

This experiment is a complicated one, with many different concoctions given.

400 athletes dead from the EXPERIMENTAL injection from July 2021 to January 2022.
https://rumble.com/vsvp0t-four-hundred- ... onths.html

I'm not waiting for anything. I'm looking at evidence.

The Pfizer document dump was discussing things they were looking to see if they were possible. It does not list pages and pages of known effects, nor does it say that the vax caused a bunch of deaths.

There is no evidence that athletes died because of the vax. This is exactly like looking at a report about a car accident and saying, "Ah ha! This was caused by the vax!" Just because a thing happened doesn't mean it was caused by the thing we hate that came before.

And there's no evidence of censorship either. No evidence that athletes dies because of the EXPERIMENTAL injection?? You're looking for EVIDENCE? No you're not. Good grief brother...stop listening to the alphabet news. They're LIARS.

[Artaxerxes]

The Rumor is around Heavenly Mother, and a 'heavenly hush' about her. The inappropriateness of praying to Heavenly Mother and that the use of heavenly parents is all lower case. We'll see but that's the only rumor I hear rumbles about.

Here we go!

That post aged very well!

I would also like to add the manner that Elder Renlund addressed the women tonight. It is as anti-woke as one can get, without sounding to the outsider or cursory insider as anti-woke. This is the best that we are going to be able to hope for, which isn't bad. Imagine if he were to break out about LGBT+ issues like Presidents Kimball or Benson back in the day. The Church's ability to send its message out to the world would be severely impacted. So for now, we wait upon the Lord, while we do good things. This is called SBR in the Semitic languages, an active patience, not a passive one.

I didn’t watch. But I will say that we are supposed to be hated by the world. It’s what Christ taught.
I dont believe the the church would be severely impacted as you said. I think people right now need the gospel and are tired of their churches caving to the world. Religion is collapsing because people have realized their churches are an arm of the government and run by elites.
I imagine if the church stepped up and spoke out with power against sin and wicked governments, they might be well received by true believers.

Everyone on every internet forum claims "If only they would agree with me more. Everyone agrees with me, so doing what I like is a sure way to win!"

It's rarely true.

[spiritMan]

Oh please. My goodness what a bunch of sniveling, weak-willed, spineless do-gooders.

Where is this groveling, sniveling message preached in the Scriptures? What prophet said "well you see I simply can not teach truth because people might reject the message!"

I can not wait for the day when the "conservatives" in the Church stop carrying water for a weak-kneed, groveling, spineless leaders who are about as forceful as a church-mouse.

What prophet would say that? Ummmm.... Joseph Smith said exactly that: "Even the Saints are slow to understand. I have tried for a number of years to get the minds of the saints prepared to receive the things of God, but we frequently see some of them, after suffering all they have for the work of God will fly to pieces like glass, as soon as anything comes that is contrary to their traditions; they cannot stand the fire at all; how many will be able to abide a celestial law and go through, and receive their exaltation, I am unable to say; as many are called but few are chosen.”

Was he another weak-kneed, groveling, spineless leader?

Where did he back-peddle on what prophets taught?

Kimbell taught directly against homosexuality. Our current leaders do not.
JS never backpeddled unlike our groveling "leaders".

That isn't what you claimed. The issue was teaching the truth. Did Joseph say exactly what you were claiming a prophet wouldn't say?

Joseph taught truth, plainly and boldly, always.

But this belief is par for the course of most mormons who believe JS lied about polygamy. It all goes back to that; they justify themselves in lying to the world and not teaching truth b/c they believe JS did that; but he did not.

[Artaxerxes]

All kinds of causes of death are up. Homicides are way up. Overdoses are up. Suicides are up. Is the vax causing all of these homicides?

I've discussed the vaers data many times. It still lists gun shot wounds and drownings of they're within a few days of the vax. I still don't understand why anyone would rely on this kind of data.

Athletes are not dying are record rates. Please provide any study that suggests that.

There is simply no credible evidence for the extreme positions on here.

You should consider becoming a fact-checker. If you are waiting for the main stream media to give you the truth about the EXPERIMENTAL injection deaths, you will have a long wait.

Pfizer asked for 55,000 pages of public documents about their adverse effects of their EXPERIMENTAL injections (which are not at all like vaccines . . . until they changed the definition of vaccines) be sealed for 75 years. Why?

From those 55,000 pages we find in 2021, 1810 deaths from Pfizer and 1832 deaths from Moderna have been documented. As a comparison, back in the 1980's, when less than a dozen deaths happened because of their vaccines, they pulled it off the market right away.

But it's the systemic damage to the body that is a huge problem. Pfizer had 145,664 and Moderna had 236,316 from the 1st dose alone in 2021, and it isn't slowing up in 2022.

This experiment is a complicated one, with many different concoctions given.

400 athletes dead from the EXPERIMENTAL injection from July 2021 to January 2022.
https://rumble.com/vsvp0t-four-hundred- ... onths.html

I'm not waiting for anything. I'm looking at evidence.

The Pfizer document dump was discussing things they were looking to see if they were possible. It does not list pages and pages of known effects, nor does it say that the vax caused a bunch of deaths.

There is no evidence that athletes died because of the vax. This is exactly like looking at a report about a car accident and saying, "Ah ha! This was caused by the vax!" Just because a thing happened doesn't mean it was caused by the thing we hate that came before.

And there's no evidence of censorship either. No evidence that athletes dies because of the EXPERIMENTAL injection?? You're looking for EVIDENCE? No you're not. Good grief brother...

You're welcome to present evidence any time, my man.

[Artaxerxes]

What prophet would say that? Ummmm.... Joseph Smith said exactly that: "Even the Saints are slow to understand. I have tried for a number of years to get the minds of the saints prepared to receive the things of God, but we frequently see some of them, after suffering all they have for the work of God will fly to pieces like glass, as soon as anything comes that is contrary to their traditions; they cannot stand the fire at all; how many will be able to abide a celestial law and go through, and receive their exaltation, I am unable to say; as many are called but few are chosen.”

Was he another weak-kneed, groveling, spineless leader?

Where did he back-peddle on what prophets taught?

Kimbell taught directly against homosexuality. Our current leaders do not.
JS never backpeddled unlike our groveling "leaders".

That isn't what you claimed. The issue was teaching the truth. Did Joseph say exactly what you were claiming a prophet wouldn't say?

Joseph taught truth, plainly and boldly, always.

But this belief is par for the course of most mormons who believe JS lied about polygamy. It all goes back to that; they justify themselves in lying to the world and not teaching truth b/c they believe JS did that; but he did not.

So he didn't say that?

[spiritMan]

Here we go!

That post aged very well!

I would also like to add the manner that Elder Renlund addressed the women tonight. It is as anti-woke as one can get, without sounding to the outsider or cursory insider as anti-woke. This is the best that we are going to be able to hope for, which isn't bad. Imagine if he were to break out about LGBT+ issues like Presidents Kimball or Benson back in the day. The Church's ability to send its message out to the world would be severely impacted. So for now, we wait upon the Lord, while we do good things. This is called SBR in the Semitic languages, an active patience, not a passive one.

I didn’t watch. But I will say that we are supposed to be hated by the world. It’s what Christ taught.
I dont believe the the church would be severely impacted as you said. I think people right now need the gospel and are tired of their churches caving to the world. Religion is collapsing because people have realized their churches are an arm of the government and run by elites.
I imagine if the church stepped up and spoke out with power against sin and wicked governments, they might be well received by true believers.

Everyone on every internet forum claims "If only they would agree with me more. Everyone agrees with me, so doing what I like is a sure way to win!"

It's rarely true.

I don't are about that; I care about teaching the Word of God. The Word of God directly, forcefully and in many, many places condemns homosexuality.

[spiritMan]

Where did he back-peddle on what prophets taught?

Kimbell taught directly against homosexuality. Our current leaders do not.
JS never backpeddled unlike our groveling "leaders".

That isn't what you claimed. The issue was teaching the truth. Did Joseph say exactly what you were claiming a prophet wouldn't say?

Joseph taught truth, plainly and boldly, always.

But this belief is par for the course of most mormons who believe JS lied about polygamy. It all goes back to that; they justify themselves in lying to the world and not teaching truth b/c they believe JS did that; but he did not.

So he didn't say that?

He never said he didn't teach them the things of God (or held back). He said when he did teach them, they flew to pieces.

Again, reading comprehension here dude.

[spiritMan]

My goodness, what a despicable bunch of soft, weak-willed people we have become.

Not me. I've been very bold, pushing the envelope in my ward for the last eight years since I moved in. It made me a bit of a pariah, though I have exercised gentle persuasion and longsuffering in my service, but now I'm the gospel doctrine teacher and I still teach "new" bold things, drawing from Joseph Smith, Isaiah, etc. I published a book and sell it at cost and give it away to my neighbors and local people. I don't mince words about the Lectures on Faith, our condemnation, etc. The boldest blog entry I published and shared with my ward and the world is this:

https://latterdaylamanite.com/2017/05/1 ... of-isaiah/

I speak point blank at my own community. I call out my elected representatives like my Senator Mitt Romney and refer to him as a Gadianton puppet, particularly when he touts the "global order" in his Facebook posts. Everybody who knows me knows unequivocally where I stand. My line in the sand is deep and unmistakable. I picked my hill to die on years ago.

I am glad there are a few who do this and my thanks to you for doing so.

The problem is that our leaders do not.

[Artaxerxes]

That isn't what you claimed. The issue was teaching the truth. Did Joseph say exactly what you were claiming a prophet wouldn't say?

Joseph taught truth, plainly and boldly, always.

But this belief is par for the course of most mormons who believe JS lied about polygamy. It all goes back to that; they justify themselves in lying to the world and not teaching truth b/c they believe JS did that; but he did not.

So he didn't say that?

He never said he didn't teach them the things of God (or held back). He said when he did teach them, they flew to pieces.

Again, reading comprehension here dude.

...... "have tried for a number of years to get the minds of the saints prepared to receive the things of God."

Reading comprehension indeed.

[The Red Pill]

The Rumor is around Heavenly Mother, and a 'heavenly hush' about her. The inappropriateness of praying to Heavenly Mother and that the use of heavenly parents is all lower case. We'll see but that's the only rumor I hear rumbles about.

Here we go!

Imagine if he were to break out about LGBT+ issues like Presidents Kimball or Benson back in the day. The Church's ability to send its message out to the world would be severely impacted.

Oh please. My goodness what a bunch of sniveling, weak-willed, spineless do-gooders.

Where is this groveling, sniveling message preached in the Scriptures? What prophet said "well you see I simply can not teach truth because people might reject the message!"

I can not wait for the day when the "conservatives" in the Church stop carrying water for a weak-kneed, groveling, spineless leaders who are about as forceful as a church-mouse.

Truth does NOT need to be watered down. It stands on its own. God and Christ are light and truth. Truth is EVERYTHING. The wicked take the truth to be hard. When we are censored or self censor we move from truth to deception because we are limiting the truth.

Archbishop Vigano is not afraid to teach truth. He stands boldly in direct opposition to the Vatican and the pope. He stands boldly against the globalist agenda. He DOESN'T put his finger in the air to test how his message will be received. He just boldy declares truth. I admire him.

We used to have leaders like this...