General Conference April 2022 - Rumors / and live thread

[EvanLM]

Conversion therapy hasn't been terribly effective. It's no real loss.

So we should take away someone's agency if they have a desire to participate?

Most of the WEF, NWO talk is paranoia. I'm glad the church doesn't share it.

What do you believe Ether 8 has reference to?

They don't support the BLM organization. They support the idea of loving everyone.

You're so wrong.

The ban applies to minors. I don't think it's helpful to focus on anything like that with kids. Adults can do whatever they want.

Ether 8 refers to real criminal organizations that have and do have great control over governments in Lamanite countries.

You're welcome to show where they supported the BLM organization.

Are you daft?
https://www.azleg.gov/legtext/55leg/2R/ ... B2802P.pdf

FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS SECTION:
20 1. "CONVERSION THERAPY":
21 (a) MEANS ANY PRACTICE OR TREATMENT THAT SEEKS TO CHANGE THE SEXUAL
22 ORIENTATION OR GENDER IDENTITY OF A PATIENT OR CLIENT, INCLUDING MENTAL
23 HEALTH THERAPY THAT SEEKS TO CHANGE, ELIMINATE OR REDUCE BEHAVIORS,
24 EXPRESSIONS, ATTRACTIONS OR FEELINGS RELATED TO THE PATIENT'S OR CLIENT'S
25 SEXUAL ORIENTATION OR GENDER IDENTITY.
26 (b) DOES NOT INCLUDE A PRACTICE OR TREATMENT THAT DOES NOT SEEK TO
27 CHANGE A PATIENT'S OR CLIENT'S SEXUAL ORIENTATION OR GENDER IDENTITY,
28 INCLUDING MENTAL HEALTH THERAPY AND THAT MEETS THE FOLLOWING:
29 (i) IS NEUTRAL WITH RESPECT TO SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND GENDER
30 IDENTITY.
31 (ii) PROVIDES ASSISTANCE TO A PATIENT OR CLIENT UNDERGOING GENDER
32 TRANSITION.
33 (iii) PROVIDES ACCEPTANCE OF AND SUPPORT AND UNDERSTANDING TO A
34 PATIENT OR CLIENT.
35 (iv) FACILITATES A PATIENT'S OR CLIENT'S ABILITY TO COPE, SOCIAL
36 SUPPORT OR IDENTITY EXPLORATION AND DEVELOPMENT.
37 (v) ADDRESSES UNLAWFUL, UNSAFE, PREMARITAL OR EXTRAMARITAL SEXUAL
38 ACTIVITIES IN A MANNER THAT IS NEUTRAL WITH RESPECT TO SEXUAL ORIENTATION.
39 (vi) DISCUSSES WITH A PATIENT OR CLIENT THE PATIENT’S OR CLIENT’S
40 MORAL OR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS OR PRACTICES.
41 2. "GENDER IDENTITY" HAS THE SAME MEANING PRESCRIBED IN SECTION
42 41-1441.
-----
In other words, if you have a kid who does not WANT intrusive homosexual thoughts, feelings, or behaviors this bill BANS any and all therapies associated with attempts (no matter what they are) to lessen those thoughts, feelings, behaviors.

The bill is a poison bill and anyone who is for these types of bills are either stupid, for them to gain political favor, or extremely wicked and evil.

The Church supports bills that make it impossible for a child to get professional therapeutic help to lessen ANY LGBTQ+ desires.

May the Church rot in hell for supporting this wickedness. They have actively deprived parents and children of any professional mechanism to diminish individual LGBTQ+ thoughts, desires, behaviors for minors.

dang gotta tell another good one . . . in the 70s I attended Weber State Univ in Ogden Utah . . . I took a deviant behavior class . . .the instructor told us. in a class, that the COJCLDS leaders had contacted him and his group of psychologists to ask questions about "gay" . . . they wanted to now what caused it and how they could help it . . .he told them it was caused briefly, when a young boy has a gay, sexual experience that is stimulating to him or same with a young girl . . . . usually they continue to have these experiences . . .but anyway even one encounter can cause them to have orgasm and change the way they think about sex. . . .

then he told us the funniest thing . . .and we all laughed . . .if any of you are mormons, then your prophets think that this can just be prayed away . . . it cannot . . he said they were stupid to think that . . . he said that hey needed a certain type of counseling that is effective to change the way they think . . . . hmmmmmmmmm

deviant sex at a young age . . .int he 70s . . . perish the thought . . . can be counseled . . . successfully . . .in the 70s perish the thought . . . but we all know how some people in this society will fight the thing that they know cures. . . and lie . . .and change the truth . . .and get it in the media . . .hmmmmmm . . .statan worshippers

probably the same people who claim that abortion is better than adoption and the suicide rate and nervous break down rate is extremely high among women who have had abortions and not among women who adopt

the same people that told us that teaching sex in the schools will lower the teenage pregnancy rate . . . that rate has never lowered . . . hmmmmm

[Artaxerxes]

Suppose for example that the hundreds of thousands of people have been whacked by the jab is a true, verifiable number. Not simply an estimate but something definitely catalogued.

There have been more Covid vaccines applied than there are people living on the Earth.

The death rate of the vaccine would be about 1 per MYRIAD.

The verifiable numbers of Coronavirus indicate a death rate of about 1 percent.

Then you have the issue of grabbing the numbers from each and every vaccine. The truth is we simply do not have the numbers to make these claims. This would be preferable than making an emotional statement against all vaccines in general or even all COVID vaccines in general.

If we could verify the numbers spouted off by RedPilled, we could still see the vaccines are better, but then we get to the next question: which vaccines

I guess you missed the memo of insurance companies reporting a 40% increase in deaths of 18 to 64 year old since the jab rollout. Not covid related.

...and the VAERS data memo

....and the DOD leaked information memo

...and that athletes are dying at record rates.

All this has been posted numerous times by numerous people on this forum, all verified information.

Yet...you say we don't have information.

WHY would you continue to say that??????

All kinds of causes of death are up. Homicides are way up. Overdoses are up. Suicides are up. Is the vax causing all of these homicides?

I've discussed the vaers data many times. It still lists gun shot wounds and drownings of they're within a few days of the vax. I still don't understand why anyone would rely on this kind of data.

Athletes are not dying are record rates. Please provide any study that suggests that.

There is simply no credible evidence for the extreme positions on here.

I have a list for you. This is just through April 2021. To see the rest click the link at the end:
January 2021

01/01/21, Windmore, Pennsylvania, USA Dead
Blake Barklage (17), a tennis player at La Salle High School in Windmore, Pennsylvania. Collapsed and died with cardiac arrest, after his team’s victory in the PCL. News Story
03/01/21, Portugal Dead
Alex Apolinario (24), Brazilian Alverca FC soccer player collapsing on pitch with cardiac arrest during match. Died four days later News Story
09/01/21. USA
Jordan Glenn, Wisconsin basketball player. Collapsed in a break at the start of the half. CPR with a defibrillator, transferred to hospital by Ambulance.
22/01/21, USA Dead
Hank Aaron (86), former Pro Baseballer received his COVID vaccine on January 5th, 2021 to demonstrate the safety of the vaccine and encourage other black Americans to do the same. Died two weeks later in his sleep – listed as natural causes. News Story
30/01/21 Indianapolis USA Dead
Wayne Radford (64), NBA star and former Indianapolis team star, died at his home in Indianapolis. News Story
30/01/21, France
Garissone Innocent (20), Cannes Team football goalkeeper. collapsed and blacked out in a game against Chamblee. Tachycardia attack, unable to speak or breathe. News Story

February 2021

06/02/21 Philippines Dead
Clement Lucchu (25), Cameroonian basketball player. Played in Manila, Philippines. Suffered a heart attack and died. News Story
11/02/21, Wales Dead
Logan Luker (17), rugby player Youth Captain at Penygraig RFC died suddenly News Story
21/02/21 Croatia Dead
Zlatko Saracevich, (59) (former Yugoslavia handball player and world handball champion), won Gold with Croatia at Atlanta Olympics, and recent handball coach. His team just won in a derby against RK Lokomotiva 32:29, and he collapsed with a heart attack just after he gave a media statement. Resuscitation failed. News Story
22/02/21 Portugal Dead
Alfredo Quintana (32), a Cuban handball goalie in Portugal. Collapsed after going into cardiac arrest during practice. Died four days later. News Story

March 2021
03/03/2021, Wallkill Central School, New York, USA (17), Dead
Miguel Antonio Lugo (17) high school football player collapsed and died during football practice
08/03/21 Egypt Dead
Abdel-Rahman Atef (23). Al-Rowad Club football player collapsed and died during his team’s Al game in the city of Sharqiya. Swallowed his tongue and resuscitation attempts were unsuccessful (no trained staff). News Story
11/03/21 Illinois, USA Dead
David Wakefield, (27) New Zealand cricketer. Collapsed during training with myocarditis. Brought back to life with defibrillator, hospitalized three weeks in intensive care, required extensive rehabilitation before he could walk and talk. News Story
19/03/21, Milton Keynes, UK
Raymond van Barneveld, darts player collapsed and received paramedic attention during PDC Championship News Story
19/03/21 Charleston NC, USA Dead
Joe Bradshaw, 19, a football player at Charleston Southern University. Collapsed with cardiac arrest – shallow breathing 19/03/21 Charleston NC, USA Dead
Joe Bradshaw, 19, a football player at Charleston Southern University. Collapsed with cardiac arrest – shallow breathing
20/03/21 Dead
Andy Haman (54) Pro bodybuilder and actor Andy Haman has died of Pulmonary embolism News Story
22/03/21, Sacramento California, USA Dead
Emmanual Antwi (18) a Kennedy High footballer (Canadian) collapsed on the field in Sacramento. On-field CPR attempts failed and he died
23/03/21
Moussa Dembélé (25), Atlético Madrid striker collapsed in training and received medical attention. News Story
27/03/21 Stewarton, Scotland Dead
Laura Henderson (42), cardiac arrest while running, Died days later in hospital. News Story
29/03/21 India Dead
Devaraj Anchan (33) a State-level volleyball player collapsed, clutching his chest, while playing in a tournament and died on the way to hospital in Udupi. News Story
30/03/21, Ghana
Charles Bulu Ghanaian referee collapses during AFCON Match News Story Video
30/03/21, USA
Alex Stalock (34), NHL Oilers goalie out for the season or more due to heart condition. Positive COVID Test in November 2020, diagnosed myocarditis in March 2021 News Story – The Athletic News Story2
31/03/21 USA
Brett Smith, an NCAA college basketball referee, collapsed during a game. Hospitalized with a blood clot.
31/03/21 Norway
Filip Ingebrigtsen (28) Norwegian runner had a tough 2021 after a reaction to the corona vaccine. Ingebrigtsen got the second vaccine dose just after the Olympics in Tokyo. His goal was “getting back to normal” but on October 17, he finished 10th in a race his brother won. News Story

https://yournews.com/2021/12/08/2262859 ... d-cardiac/

Athletes have and will die from their extreme exertions. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... le_playing

The fact that they're dying isn't new. The questions are 1) is it statistically different from before and 2) is that difference attributable to the vax?

[Artaxerxes]

Conversion therapy hasn't been terribly effective. It's no real loss.

So we should take away someone's agency if they have a desire to participate?

Most of the WEF, NWO talk is paranoia. I'm glad the church doesn't share it.

What do you believe Ether 8 has reference to?

They don't support the BLM organization. They support the idea of loving everyone.

You're so wrong.

The ban applies to minors. I don't think it's helpful to focus on anything like that with kids. Adults can do whatever they want.

Ether 8 refers to real criminal organizations that have and do have great control over governments in Lamanite countries.

You're welcome to show where they supported the BLM organization.

Are you daft?
https://www.azleg.gov/legtext/55leg/2R/ ... B2802P.pdf

FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS SECTION:
20 1. "CONVERSION THERAPY":
21 (a) MEANS ANY PRACTICE OR TREATMENT THAT SEEKS TO CHANGE THE SEXUAL
22 ORIENTATION OR GENDER IDENTITY OF A PATIENT OR CLIENT, INCLUDING MENTAL
23 HEALTH THERAPY THAT SEEKS TO CHANGE, ELIMINATE OR REDUCE BEHAVIORS,
24 EXPRESSIONS, ATTRACTIONS OR FEELINGS RELATED TO THE PATIENT'S OR CLIENT'S
25 SEXUAL ORIENTATION OR GENDER IDENTITY.
26 (b) DOES NOT INCLUDE A PRACTICE OR TREATMENT THAT DOES NOT SEEK TO
27 CHANGE A PATIENT'S OR CLIENT'S SEXUAL ORIENTATION OR GENDER IDENTITY,
28 INCLUDING MENTAL HEALTH THERAPY AND THAT MEETS THE FOLLOWING:
29 (i) IS NEUTRAL WITH RESPECT TO SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND GENDER
30 IDENTITY.
31 (ii) PROVIDES ASSISTANCE TO A PATIENT OR CLIENT UNDERGOING GENDER
32 TRANSITION.
33 (iii) PROVIDES ACCEPTANCE OF AND SUPPORT AND UNDERSTANDING TO A
34 PATIENT OR CLIENT.
35 (iv) FACILITATES A PATIENT'S OR CLIENT'S ABILITY TO COPE, SOCIAL
36 SUPPORT OR IDENTITY EXPLORATION AND DEVELOPMENT.
37 (v) ADDRESSES UNLAWFUL, UNSAFE, PREMARITAL OR EXTRAMARITAL SEXUAL
38 ACTIVITIES IN A MANNER THAT IS NEUTRAL WITH RESPECT TO SEXUAL ORIENTATION.
39 (vi) DISCUSSES WITH A PATIENT OR CLIENT THE PATIENT’S OR CLIENT’S
40 MORAL OR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS OR PRACTICES.
41 2. "GENDER IDENTITY" HAS THE SAME MEANING PRESCRIBED IN SECTION
42 41-1441.
-----
In other words, if you have a kid who does not WANT intrusive homosexual thoughts, feelings, or behaviors this bill BANS any and all therapies associated with attempts (no matter what they are) to lessen those thoughts, feelings, behaviors.

The bill is a poison bill and anyone who is for these types of bills are either stupid, for them to gain political favor, or extremely wicked and evil.

The Church supports bills that make it impossible for a child to get professional therapeutic help to lessen ANY LGBTQ+ desires.

May the Church rot in hell for supporting this wickedness. They have actively deprived parents and children of any professional mechanism to diminish individual LGBTQ+ thoughts, desires, behaviors for minors.

No. Intrusive thoughts therapy is different, and is a part of almost all therapy.

[Artaxerxes]

Suppose for example that the hundreds of thousands of people have been whacked by the jab is a true, verifiable number. Not simply an estimate but something definitely catalogued.

There have been more Covid vaccines applied than there are people living on the Earth.

The death rate of the vaccine would be about 1 per MYRIAD.

The verifiable numbers of Coronavirus indicate a death rate of about 1 percent.

Then you have the issue of grabbing the numbers from each and every vaccine. The truth is we simply do not have the numbers to make these claims. This would be preferable than making an emotional statement against all vaccines in general or even all COVID vaccines in general.

If we could verify the numbers spouted off by RedPilled, we could still see the vaccines are better, but then we get to the next question: which vaccines

I guess you missed the memo of insurance companies reporting a 40% increase in deaths of 18 to 64 year old since the jab rollout. Not covid related.

...and the VAERS data memo

....and the DOD leaked information memo

...and that athletes are dying at record rates.

All this has been posted numerous times by numerous people on this forum, all verified information.

Yet...you say we don't have information.

WHY would you continue to say that??????

All kinds of causes of death are up. Homicides are way up. Overdoses are up. Suicides are up. Is the vax causing all of these homicides?

I've discussed the vaers data many times. It still lists gun shot wounds and drownings of they're within a few days of the vax. I still don't understand why anyone would rely on this kind of data.

Athletes are not dying are record rates. Please provide any study that suggests that.

There is simply no credible evidence for the extreme positions on here.

You should consider becoming a fact-checker. If you are waiting for the main stream media to give you the truth about the EXPERIMENTAL injection deaths, you will have a long wait.

Pfizer asked for 55,000 pages of public documents about their adverse effects of their EXPERIMENTAL injections (which are not at all like vaccines . . . until they changed the definition of vaccines) be sealed for 75 years. Why?

From those 55,000 pages we find in 2021, 1810 deaths from Pfizer and 1832 deaths from Moderna have been documented. As a comparison, back in the 1980's, when less than a dozen deaths happened because of their vaccines, they pulled it off the market right away.

But it's the systemic damage to the body that is a huge problem. Pfizer had 145,664 and Moderna had 236,316 from the 1st dose alone in 2021, and it isn't slowing up in 2022.

This experiment is a complicated one, with many different concoctions given.

400 athletes dead from the EXPERIMENTAL injection from July 2021 to January 2022.
https://rumble.com/vsvp0t-four-hundred- ... onths.html

I'm not waiting for anything. I'm looking at evidence.

The Pfizer document dump was discussing things they were looking to see if they were possible. It does not list pages and pages of known effects, nor does it say that the vax caused a bunch of deaths.

There is no evidence that athletes died because of the vax. This is exactly like looking at a report about a car accident and saying, "Ah ha! This was caused by the vax!" Just because a thing happened doesn't mean it was caused by the thing we hate that came before.

[spiritMan]

So we should take away someone's agency if they have a desire to participate?


What do you believe Ether 8 has reference to?


You're so wrong.

The ban applies to minors. I don't think it's helpful to focus on anything like that with kids. Adults can do whatever they want.

Ether 8 refers to real criminal organizations that have and do have great control over governments in Lamanite countries.

You're welcome to show where they supported the BLM organization.

Are you daft?
https://www.azleg.gov/legtext/55leg/2R/ ... B2802P.pdf

FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS SECTION:
20 1. "CONVERSION THERAPY":
21 (a) MEANS ANY PRACTICE OR TREATMENT THAT SEEKS TO CHANGE THE SEXUAL
22 ORIENTATION OR GENDER IDENTITY OF A PATIENT OR CLIENT, INCLUDING MENTAL
23 HEALTH THERAPY THAT SEEKS TO CHANGE, ELIMINATE OR REDUCE BEHAVIORS,
24 EXPRESSIONS, ATTRACTIONS OR FEELINGS RELATED TO THE PATIENT'S OR CLIENT'S
25 SEXUAL ORIENTATION OR GENDER IDENTITY.
26 (b) DOES NOT INCLUDE A PRACTICE OR TREATMENT THAT DOES NOT SEEK TO
27 CHANGE A PATIENT'S OR CLIENT'S SEXUAL ORIENTATION OR GENDER IDENTITY,
28 INCLUDING MENTAL HEALTH THERAPY AND THAT MEETS THE FOLLOWING:
29 (i) IS NEUTRAL WITH RESPECT TO SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND GENDER
30 IDENTITY.
31 (ii) PROVIDES ASSISTANCE TO A PATIENT OR CLIENT UNDERGOING GENDER
32 TRANSITION.
33 (iii) PROVIDES ACCEPTANCE OF AND SUPPORT AND UNDERSTANDING TO A
34 PATIENT OR CLIENT.
35 (iv) FACILITATES A PATIENT'S OR CLIENT'S ABILITY TO COPE, SOCIAL
36 SUPPORT OR IDENTITY EXPLORATION AND DEVELOPMENT.
37 (v) ADDRESSES UNLAWFUL, UNSAFE, PREMARITAL OR EXTRAMARITAL SEXUAL
38 ACTIVITIES IN A MANNER THAT IS NEUTRAL WITH RESPECT TO SEXUAL ORIENTATION.
39 (vi) DISCUSSES WITH A PATIENT OR CLIENT THE PATIENT’S OR CLIENT’S
40 MORAL OR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS OR PRACTICES.
41 2. "GENDER IDENTITY" HAS THE SAME MEANING PRESCRIBED IN SECTION
42 41-1441.
-----
In other words, if you have a kid who does not WANT intrusive homosexual thoughts, feelings, or behaviors this bill BANS any and all therapies associated with attempts (no matter what they are) to lessen those thoughts, feelings, behaviors.

The bill is a poison bill and anyone who is for these types of bills are either stupid, for them to gain political favor, or extremely wicked and evil.

The Church supports bills that make it impossible for a child to get professional therapeutic help to lessen ANY LGBTQ+ desires.

May the Church rot in hell for supporting this wickedness. They have actively deprived parents and children of any professional mechanism to diminish individual LGBTQ+ thoughts, desires, behaviors for minors.

No. Intrusive thoughts therapy is different, and is a part of almost all therapy.

Read the dang bill.

"MEANS ANY PRACTICE OR TREATMENT THAT SEEKS TO CHANGE THE SEXUAL
ORIENTATION OR GENDER IDENTITY OF A PATIENT OR CLIENT, INCLUDING MENTAL
HEALTH THERAPY THAT SEEKS TO CHANGE, ELIMINATE OR REDUCE BEHAVIORS,
EXPRESSIONS, ATTRACTIONS OR FEELINGS RELATED TO THE PATIENT'S OR CLIENT'S
SEXUAL ORIENTATION OR GENDER IDENTITY."

It is in plain english.

Conversation therapy seeks to change "ATTRACTIONS or FEELINGS"... seriously dude....read the bill.

[Subcomandante]

Anyone watching the women's conference?

[CuriousThinker]

Anyone watching the women's conference?

I am. Excellent talks!

[Luke]

The ban applies to minors. I don't think it's helpful to focus on anything like that with kids. Adults can do whatever they want.

Ether 8 refers to real criminal organizations that have and do have great control over governments in Lamanite countries.

You're welcome to show where they supported the BLM organization.

Are you daft?
https://www.azleg.gov/legtext/55leg/2R/ ... B2802P.pdf

FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS SECTION:
20 1. "CONVERSION THERAPY":
21 (a) MEANS ANY PRACTICE OR TREATMENT THAT SEEKS TO CHANGE THE SEXUAL
22 ORIENTATION OR GENDER IDENTITY OF A PATIENT OR CLIENT, INCLUDING MENTAL
23 HEALTH THERAPY THAT SEEKS TO CHANGE, ELIMINATE OR REDUCE BEHAVIORS,
24 EXPRESSIONS, ATTRACTIONS OR FEELINGS RELATED TO THE PATIENT'S OR CLIENT'S
25 SEXUAL ORIENTATION OR GENDER IDENTITY.
26 (b) DOES NOT INCLUDE A PRACTICE OR TREATMENT THAT DOES NOT SEEK TO
27 CHANGE A PATIENT'S OR CLIENT'S SEXUAL ORIENTATION OR GENDER IDENTITY,
28 INCLUDING MENTAL HEALTH THERAPY AND THAT MEETS THE FOLLOWING:
29 (i) IS NEUTRAL WITH RESPECT TO SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND GENDER
30 IDENTITY.
31 (ii) PROVIDES ASSISTANCE TO A PATIENT OR CLIENT UNDERGOING GENDER
32 TRANSITION.
33 (iii) PROVIDES ACCEPTANCE OF AND SUPPORT AND UNDERSTANDING TO A
34 PATIENT OR CLIENT.
35 (iv) FACILITATES A PATIENT'S OR CLIENT'S ABILITY TO COPE, SOCIAL
36 SUPPORT OR IDENTITY EXPLORATION AND DEVELOPMENT.
37 (v) ADDRESSES UNLAWFUL, UNSAFE, PREMARITAL OR EXTRAMARITAL SEXUAL
38 ACTIVITIES IN A MANNER THAT IS NEUTRAL WITH RESPECT TO SEXUAL ORIENTATION.
39 (vi) DISCUSSES WITH A PATIENT OR CLIENT THE PATIENT’S OR CLIENT’S
40 MORAL OR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS OR PRACTICES.
41 2. "GENDER IDENTITY" HAS THE SAME MEANING PRESCRIBED IN SECTION
42 41-1441.
-----
In other words, if you have a kid who does not WANT intrusive homosexual thoughts, feelings, or behaviors this bill BANS any and all therapies associated with attempts (no matter what they are) to lessen those thoughts, feelings, behaviors.

The bill is a poison bill and anyone who is for these types of bills are either stupid, for them to gain political favor, or extremely wicked and evil.

The Church supports bills that make it impossible for a child to get professional therapeutic help to lessen ANY LGBTQ+ desires.

May the Church rot in hell for supporting this wickedness. They have actively deprived parents and children of any professional mechanism to diminish individual LGBTQ+ thoughts, desires, behaviors for minors.

No. Intrusive thoughts therapy is different, and is a part of almost all therapy.

Read the dang bill.

"MEANS ANY PRACTICE OR TREATMENT THAT SEEKS TO CHANGE THE SEXUAL
ORIENTATION OR GENDER IDENTITY OF A PATIENT OR CLIENT, INCLUDING MENTAL
HEALTH THERAPY THAT SEEKS TO CHANGE, ELIMINATE OR REDUCE BEHAVIORS,
EXPRESSIONS, ATTRACTIONS OR FEELINGS RELATED TO THE PATIENT'S OR CLIENT'S
SEXUAL ORIENTATION OR GENDER IDENTITY."

It is in plain english.

Conversation therapy seeks to change "ATTRACTIONS or FEELINGS"... seriously dude....read the bill.

It's fairly basic reading comprehension. Seems people aren't very good at that these days, particularly on this forum I have noticed...

[Artaxerxes]

The ban applies to minors. I don't think it's helpful to focus on anything like that with kids. Adults can do whatever they want.

Ether 8 refers to real criminal organizations that have and do have great control over governments in Lamanite countries.

You're welcome to show where they supported the BLM organization.

Are you daft?
https://www.azleg.gov/legtext/55leg/2R/ ... B2802P.pdf

FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS SECTION:
20 1. "CONVERSION THERAPY":
21 (a) MEANS ANY PRACTICE OR TREATMENT THAT SEEKS TO CHANGE THE SEXUAL
22 ORIENTATION OR GENDER IDENTITY OF A PATIENT OR CLIENT, INCLUDING MENTAL
23 HEALTH THERAPY THAT SEEKS TO CHANGE, ELIMINATE OR REDUCE BEHAVIORS,
24 EXPRESSIONS, ATTRACTIONS OR FEELINGS RELATED TO THE PATIENT'S OR CLIENT'S
25 SEXUAL ORIENTATION OR GENDER IDENTITY.
26 (b) DOES NOT INCLUDE A PRACTICE OR TREATMENT THAT DOES NOT SEEK TO
27 CHANGE A PATIENT'S OR CLIENT'S SEXUAL ORIENTATION OR GENDER IDENTITY,
28 INCLUDING MENTAL HEALTH THERAPY AND THAT MEETS THE FOLLOWING:
29 (i) IS NEUTRAL WITH RESPECT TO SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND GENDER
30 IDENTITY.
31 (ii) PROVIDES ASSISTANCE TO A PATIENT OR CLIENT UNDERGOING GENDER
32 TRANSITION.
33 (iii) PROVIDES ACCEPTANCE OF AND SUPPORT AND UNDERSTANDING TO A
34 PATIENT OR CLIENT.
35 (iv) FACILITATES A PATIENT'S OR CLIENT'S ABILITY TO COPE, SOCIAL
36 SUPPORT OR IDENTITY EXPLORATION AND DEVELOPMENT.
37 (v) ADDRESSES UNLAWFUL, UNSAFE, PREMARITAL OR EXTRAMARITAL SEXUAL
38 ACTIVITIES IN A MANNER THAT IS NEUTRAL WITH RESPECT TO SEXUAL ORIENTATION.
39 (vi) DISCUSSES WITH A PATIENT OR CLIENT THE PATIENT’S OR CLIENT’S
40 MORAL OR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS OR PRACTICES.
41 2. "GENDER IDENTITY" HAS THE SAME MEANING PRESCRIBED IN SECTION
42 41-1441.
-----
In other words, if you have a kid who does not WANT intrusive homosexual thoughts, feelings, or behaviors this bill BANS any and all therapies associated with attempts (no matter what they are) to lessen those thoughts, feelings, behaviors.

The bill is a poison bill and anyone who is for these types of bills are either stupid, for them to gain political favor, or extremely wicked and evil.

The Church supports bills that make it impossible for a child to get professional therapeutic help to lessen ANY LGBTQ+ desires.

May the Church rot in hell for supporting this wickedness. They have actively deprived parents and children of any professional mechanism to diminish individual LGBTQ+ thoughts, desires, behaviors for minors.

No. Intrusive thoughts therapy is different, and is a part of almost all therapy.

Read the dang bill.

"MEANS ANY PRACTICE OR TREATMENT THAT SEEKS TO CHANGE THE SEXUAL
ORIENTATION OR GENDER IDENTITY OF A PATIENT OR CLIENT, INCLUDING MENTAL
HEALTH THERAPY THAT SEEKS TO CHANGE, ELIMINATE OR REDUCE BEHAVIORS,
EXPRESSIONS, ATTRACTIONS OR FEELINGS RELATED TO THE PATIENT'S OR CLIENT'S
SEXUAL ORIENTATION OR GENDER IDENTITY."

It is in plain english.

Conversation therapy seeks to change "ATTRACTIONS or FEELINGS"... seriously dude....read the bill.

I did read it. Seeking to stop intrusive thoughts is not geared to change orientations or identities.

[JohnnyL]

President Nelson is emphasizing the need for young men to serve a mission. But will he address the elephant in the room - the mandated vaccine?

That was my wife's first comment.

But, the vaccine is not really mandated; it's not required to serve.

[JohnnyL]

I am really enjoying Sister Aburto's talk and her quoting scripture.

I felt a LOT of faith coming from her in that talk!!

[CuriousThinker]

Are you daft?
https://www.azleg.gov/legtext/55leg/2R/ ... B2802P.pdf

FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS SECTION:
20 1. "CONVERSION THERAPY":
21 (a) MEANS ANY PRACTICE OR TREATMENT THAT SEEKS TO CHANGE THE SEXUAL
22 ORIENTATION OR GENDER IDENTITY OF A PATIENT OR CLIENT, INCLUDING MENTAL
23 HEALTH THERAPY THAT SEEKS TO CHANGE, ELIMINATE OR REDUCE BEHAVIORS,
24 EXPRESSIONS, ATTRACTIONS OR FEELINGS RELATED TO THE PATIENT'S OR CLIENT'S
25 SEXUAL ORIENTATION OR GENDER IDENTITY.
26 (b) DOES NOT INCLUDE A PRACTICE OR TREATMENT THAT DOES NOT SEEK TO
27 CHANGE A PATIENT'S OR CLIENT'S SEXUAL ORIENTATION OR GENDER IDENTITY,
28 INCLUDING MENTAL HEALTH THERAPY AND THAT MEETS THE FOLLOWING:
29 (i) IS NEUTRAL WITH RESPECT TO SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND GENDER
30 IDENTITY.
31 (ii) PROVIDES ASSISTANCE TO A PATIENT OR CLIENT UNDERGOING GENDER
32 TRANSITION.
33 (iii) PROVIDES ACCEPTANCE OF AND SUPPORT AND UNDERSTANDING TO A
34 PATIENT OR CLIENT.
35 (iv) FACILITATES A PATIENT'S OR CLIENT'S ABILITY TO COPE, SOCIAL
36 SUPPORT OR IDENTITY EXPLORATION AND DEVELOPMENT.
37 (v) ADDRESSES UNLAWFUL, UNSAFE, PREMARITAL OR EXTRAMARITAL SEXUAL
38 ACTIVITIES IN A MANNER THAT IS NEUTRAL WITH RESPECT TO SEXUAL ORIENTATION.
39 (vi) DISCUSSES WITH A PATIENT OR CLIENT THE PATIENT’S OR CLIENT’S
40 MORAL OR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS OR PRACTICES.
41 2. "GENDER IDENTITY" HAS THE SAME MEANING PRESCRIBED IN SECTION
42 41-1441.
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In other words, if you have a kid who does not WANT intrusive homosexual thoughts, feelings, or behaviors this bill BANS any and all therapies associated with attempts (no matter what they are) to lessen those thoughts, feelings, behaviors.

The bill is a poison bill and anyone who is for these types of bills are either stupid, for them to gain political favor, or extremely wicked and evil.

The Church supports bills that make it impossible for a child to get professional therapeutic help to lessen ANY LGBTQ+ desires.

May the Church rot in hell for supporting this wickedness. They have actively deprived parents and children of any professional mechanism to diminish individual LGBTQ+ thoughts, desires, behaviors for minors.

No. Intrusive thoughts therapy is different, and is a part of almost all therapy.

Read the dang bill.

"MEANS ANY PRACTICE OR TREATMENT THAT SEEKS TO CHANGE THE SEXUAL
ORIENTATION OR GENDER IDENTITY OF A PATIENT OR CLIENT, INCLUDING MENTAL
HEALTH THERAPY THAT SEEKS TO CHANGE, ELIMINATE OR REDUCE BEHAVIORS,
EXPRESSIONS, ATTRACTIONS OR FEELINGS RELATED TO THE PATIENT'S OR CLIENT'S
SEXUAL ORIENTATION OR GENDER IDENTITY."

It is in plain english.

Conversation therapy seeks to change "ATTRACTIONS or FEELINGS"... seriously dude....read the bill.

I did read it. Seeking to stop intrusive thoughts is not geared to change orientations or identities.

All those things are literally changing orientation and identity. That is what it means. Are you trolling?

[JohnnyL]

"Sisters and brothers." Gosh, that phrasing bugs me. It's a subtle but persistent nod to woke feminists.

It bugs me too. Even though "ladies and gentlemen" is normal vernacular, "sisters and brothers" feels clumsey.

Well, there you go. Next time, just say "Gentlemen and ladies, ..."
Maybe they're trying to shake things up.
But when I hear it, it sounds like the sisters need to pay attention more than the brothers, lol.

[JohnnyL]

"We are proud to be part of a coalition of worldly, wicked people." What an appalling statement.

Who is that quote from?

[Being There]

I guess you missed the memo of insurance companies reporting a 40% increase in deaths of 18 to 64 year old since the jab rollout. Not covid related.

...and the VAERS data memo

....and the DOD leaked information memo

...and that athletes are dying at record rates.

All this has been posted numerous times by numerous people on this forum, all verified information.

Yet...you say we don't have information.

WHY would you continue to say that??????

All kinds of causes of death are up. Homicides are way up. Overdoses are up. Suicides are up. Is the vax caused all of these homicides?

I've discussed the vaers data many times. It still lists gun shot wounds and drownings of they're within a few days of the vax. I still don't understand why anyone would rely on this kind of data.

Athletes are not dying are record rates. Please provide any study that suggests that.

There is simply no credible evidence for the extreme positions on here.

then, if you are not getting creditable information . . .why, my brother . . . are you on this forum . . posting and . . . reading

I know enough to know not to believe everything I read on the internet.

but you don't know enough to know not to believe everything you hear in Conference

[Pazooka]

We’re at the end of Day #1 of GC - - RMN hasn’t spoken even once, or did I miss it?

[spiritMan]

We’re at the end of Day #1 of GC - - RMN hasn’t spoken even once, or did I miss it?

5-10 min. at the very beginning.

[Artaxerxes]

We’re at the end of Day #1 of GC - - RMN hasn’t spoken even once, or did I miss it?

You missed it.

[JohnnyL]

“Today I reaffirm strongly that the Lord has asked every worthy, able young man to prepare for and serve a mission. … For you young and able sisters, a mission is also a powerful, but optional, opportunity.” -Russell Nelson

And yet, none in the first presidency served a full-time mission.

I hadn't realised that.
A tad hypocritical methinks.

They didn't go. Done. The Lord wants these young men to go. You and I know that's true, right?
Yes, it might help for them to talk a little about it, I think.

[Pazooka]

We’re at the end of Day #1 of GC - - RMN hasn’t spoken even once, or did I miss it?

5-10 min. at the very beginning.

Oh yeah

[CuriousThinker]

"We don't pray to Heavenly Mother." Elder Renlund

[Artaxerxes]

The Rumor is around Heavenly Mother, and a 'heavenly hush' about her. The inappropriateness of praying to Heavenly Mother and that the use of heavenly parents is all lower case. We'll see but that's the only rumor I hear rumbles about.

Here we go!

[spiritMan]

"We don't pray to Heavenly Mother." Elder Renlund

Good. They should hit it really hard. Extremely heretical, pagan and unChristian to do so.

But that's a softball for the higher ups. It's easy to smack down praying to a female deity vs. smacking down LGBTQ+ism.

[Being There]

That elephant, called the poison death-jab, has killed and injured hundreds of thousands of God's children...needlessly...and will keep killing for years to come.

Let that sink in.

the lack of sincere repentance and living righteously is what is actually killing God's children . . . .and almost NOBODY is telling us to repent . . . I can understand endure to the end . . . while the majority of the church members who refuse to repent bring down the whole wrath of God on all of us . . .I feel a little cheated for trying so hard to keep His commandments . . . .

I still have to walk through the tribulations that are brought on all of us because of a few . . . then I must tolerate prophets who refuse to call us to repentance . . .haven't heard the cry since 2012 . . .

They preach repentance each and every conference.

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I'm sorry, but could you please point out which talk is calling anyone to repentance? I can't seem to find it.

that's because false prophets don't do those kind of things.
They ask us to be "Good Global Citizens and join satan and his servants (World leaders) -
which Nelson is one of.
viewtopic.php?p=1253504#p1253504

viewtopic.php?p=1253273#p1253273

[Artaxerxes]

the lack of sincere repentance and living righteously is what is actually killing God's children . . . .and almost NOBODY is telling us to repent . . . I can understand endure to the end . . . while the majority of the church members who refuse to repent bring down the whole wrath of God on all of us . . .I feel a little cheated for trying so hard to keep His commandments . . . .

I still have to walk through the tribulations that are brought on all of us because of a few . . . then I must tolerate prophets who refuse to call us to repentance . . .haven't heard the cry since 2012 . . .

They preach repentance each and every conference.

Screenshot_20220402-153339.png

I'm sorry, but could you please point out which talk is calling anyone to repentance? I can't seem to find it.

that's because false prophets don't do those kind of things.
They ask us to be "Good Global Citizens and join satan and his servants (World leaders) -
which Nelson is one of.
viewtopic.php?p=1253504#p1253504

viewtopic.php?p=1253273#p1253273

Well good! Now we know that he's a true prophet since he did preach repentance!

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... n?lang=eng