LDS Freedom Forum

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:57 pm

EvanLM wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:43 pm

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:40 pm

The Red Pill wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:30 pm

I guess you missed the memo of insurance companies reporting a 40% increase in deaths of 18 to 64 year old since the jab rollout. Not covid related.

...and the VAERS data memo

....and the DOD leaked information memo

...and that athletes are dying at record rates.

All this has been posted numerous times by numerous people on this forum, all verified information.

Yet...you say we don't have information.

WHY would you continue to say that??????

All kinds of causes of death are up. Homicides are way up. Overdoses are up. Suicides are up. Is the vax caused all of these homicides?

I've discussed the vaers data many times. It still lists gun shot wounds and drownings of they're within a few days of the vax. I still don't understand why anyone would rely on this kind of data.

Athletes are not dying are record rates. Please provide any study that suggests that.

There is simply no credible evidence for the extreme positions on here.

then, if you are not getting creditable information . . .why, my brother . . . are you on this forum . . posting and . . . reading

I know enough to know not to believe everything I read on the internet.

EvanLM wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 5:11 pm

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:57 pm

EvanLM wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:43 pm

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:40 pm

All kinds of causes of death are up. Homicides are way up. Overdoses are up. Suicides are up. Is the vax caused all of these homicides?

I've discussed the vaers data many times. It still lists gun shot wounds and drownings of they're within a few days of the vax. I still don't understand why anyone would rely on this kind of data.

Athletes are not dying are record rates. Please provide any study that suggests that.

There is simply no credible evidence for the extreme positions on here.

then, if you are not getting creditable information . . .why, my brother . . . are you on this forum . . posting and . . . reading

I know enough to know not to believe everything I read on the internet.

so the facts that have been presented on this forum . . .come from the internet . . . and may not be true . . . is that what you are saying ? who and where do you rely on for truth in world and us news?

EvanLM wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:36 pm

largerthanlife2 wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 2:44 pm My son is graduating but he will not be serving a mission. He believes in freedom and guns. Not in masks and clot shots. My nephews are also ditching the missions.

good for them . . . you don't have to go on a mission to reach the celestial kingdom, . . . however, you DO need to be under the everlasting covenant . . . encourage them to get ready to enter the temple, worthily (whatever that means) . . .and request those ordinances . . .

there is tremendous power in the covenant . . . this will help them better than a mission that is served over the internet . . .that, in my mind, is a fake mission . . .

Jesus will be here soon and the tribulations will be easier if your family have taken their covenants . . . I know that

I have wanted to serve a third mission for the last 10 years but refuse to do so unless I can knock doors . . . I also have a little difficulty with the "brethren" knowing my financial status . . .it is none of their business . . .

if I give my word that I can pay for a mission . . .then, that is good enough . . . . somewhere I got the idea that we needed no purse or script (sarcasm)

don't get me wrong, I can pay for my mission and my companions mission and . . . it just seems so smug that they ask for financial records . . .my personal finances are none of their business

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 5:12 pm

EvanLM wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 5:11 pm

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:57 pm

EvanLM wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:43 pm

then, if you are not getting creditable information . . .why, my brother . . . are you on this forum . . posting and . . . reading

I know enough to know not to believe everything I read on the internet.

so the facts that have been presented on this forum . . .come from the internet . . . and may not be true . . . is that what you are saying ? who and where do you rely on for truth in world and us news?

No, you asked specifically about what I read on the forum. I believe some of it and not others because I'm a thinking human.

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:34 pm

EvanLM wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:27 pm

The Red Pill wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 3:58 pm

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 3:51 pm

The gnat you are hyperfocused on does not become an elephant by enlarging it in your own mind.

That elephant, called the poison death-jab, has killed and injured hundreds of thousands of God's children...needlessly...and will keep killing for years to come.

Let that sink in.

the lack of sincere repentance and living righteously is what is actually killing God's children . . . .and almost NOBODY is telling us to repent . . . I can understand endure to the end . . . while the majority of the church members who refuse to repent bring down the whole wrath of God on all of us . . .I feel a little cheated for trying so hard to keep His commandments . . . .

I still have to walk through the tribulations that are brought on all of us because of a few . . . then I must tolerate prophets who refuse to call us to repentance . . .haven't heard the cry since 2012 . . .

They preach repentance each and every conference.

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EvanLM wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 5:08 pm

farmerchick wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:50 pm I sensed a great urgency as well..many recuring themes about change, family, and gathering Israel/laboring in the mission field.....the afternoon session I thought was reaffirming to what I have been thinking for a while now.....a great plague is sweeping the earth right now like a tidal wave...and it's not the pandemic....maybe its the worldview some have is too myopic....this is a time for preparation to meet our Savior and future...so in that context the gospel is really personal and family centric.....the church is just an earthly structure to facilitate us on the path...the progress on the path is up to each of us and our own families.....i also believe there are contingents of members and non members who are subverting the mission of the gospel in the cob and elsewhere....and even though the church may be off track because of the imperfections of good and bad people trying to direct the paths of the church.....the church will still end up accomplishing the tasks of the master, our Lord and Saviour....as all things will work for our good even though mortality is very messy.....the natural man is alive and well and the brethren are still talking about him....or her....change can happen repentance was a topic......maybe the issue about gathering Israel is that we have been commanded to do that to usher in the second coming. The time to labor is short but we must finish strong regardless of the depravity and wickedness of each of us and the world as a whole....sometimes you just have to push through with what you have....even if it isn't ideal....i believe that's where we are....i have a calm and peaceful feeling after hearing the afternoon session....but my expectations are not that the first pres tells me every move to make...i get to choose and navigate this on my own terms.......I feel like the strategic plan under the direction of the Saviour for perilous times is in place and the time for committees to do planning, discussion and input are over.....the variable scenarios have been considered and now the silence being perceived is not lack of harping or caring...it's just that all the leaders and participants should know what the plan is and just do it.....implement the plan... as bro Ochoa asked, "is it working for you?'. Thats a great question... I know what the desolating sickness/plague covering the land is and it's the opposite of humility......time is short to choose brothers and sisters......this thread has made President Nelson's use of the word myopic stand out to me.....while out of the context in which he used it...it seems relevant here in this microcosm of the internet......

myopic is a word that has been used to insult people . . . those women on the view and other politicians use it frequently . . . I think I've heard Biden and Jen Snarky use it . . .

perhaps it is a good thing when our prophet uses it . . . he kinda sounds like Trump . . .always promising that we'll be back .. . . or we'll save the day . . .but no one knows the plan . . . not Trumps plan . . .not our prophets plan . . . except, maybe, the prophets . . . know the plan . . .

Kit-OTW wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 5:17 pm

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:34 pm

EvanLM wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:27 pm

The Red Pill wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 3:58 pm

That elephant, called the poison death-jab, has killed and injured hundreds of thousands of God's children...needlessly...and will keep killing for years to come.

Let that sink in.

the lack of sincere repentance and living righteously is what is actually killing God's children . . . .and almost NOBODY is telling us to repent . . . I can understand endure to the end . . . while the majority of the church members who refuse to repent bring down the whole wrath of God on all of us . . .I feel a little cheated for trying so hard to keep His commandments . . . .

I still have to walk through the tribulations that are brought on all of us because of a few . . . then I must tolerate prophets who refuse to call us to repentance . . .haven't heard the cry since 2012 . . .

They preach repentance each and every conference.

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I'm sorry, but could you please point out which talk is calling anyone to repentance? I can't seem to find it.

EvanLM wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 5:16 pm

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 5:12 pm

EvanLM wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 5:11 pm

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:57 pm

I know enough to know not to believe everything I read on the internet.

so the facts that have been presented on this forum . . .come from the internet . . . and may not be true . . . is that what you are saying ? who and where do you rely on for truth in world and us news?

No, you asked specifically about what I read on the forum. I believe some of it and not others because I'm a thinking human.

sorry, thought I asked WHY are you on this forum ? so where do you go for truth in news . . .

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:40 pm

The Red Pill wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:30 pm

Subcomandante wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:15 pm

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:02 pm

It has done no such thing. That's why most got it and know that that's not the issue you've invented.

Suppose for example that the hundreds of thousands of people have been whacked by the jab is a true, verifiable number. Not simply an estimate but something definitely catalogued.

There have been more Covid vaccines applied than there are people living on the Earth.

The death rate of the vaccine would be about 1 per MYRIAD.

The verifiable numbers of Coronavirus indicate a death rate of about 1 percent.

Then you have the issue of grabbing the numbers from each and every vaccine. The truth is we simply do not have the numbers to make these claims. This would be preferable than making an emotional statement against all vaccines in general or even all COVID vaccines in general.

If we could verify the numbers spouted off by RedPilled, we could still see the vaccines are better, but then we get to the next question: which vaccines

I guess you missed the memo of insurance companies reporting a 40% increase in deaths of 18 to 64 year old since the jab rollout. Not covid related.

...and the VAERS data memo

....and the DOD leaked information memo

...and that athletes are dying at record rates.

All this has been posted numerous times by numerous people on this forum, all verified information.

Yet...you say we don't have information.

WHY would you continue to say that??????

All kinds of causes of death are up. Homicides are way up. Overdoses are up. Suicides are up. Is the vax causing all of these homicides?

I've discussed the vaers data many times. It still lists gun shot wounds and drownings of they're within a few days of the vax. I still don't understand why anyone would rely on this kind of data.

Athletes are not dying are record rates. Please provide any study that suggests that.

There is simply no credible evidence for the extreme positions on here.

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:34 pm

EvanLM wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:27 pm

The Red Pill wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 3:58 pm

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 3:51 pm

The gnat you are hyperfocused on does not become an elephant by enlarging it in your own mind.

That elephant, called the poison death-jab, has killed and injured hundreds of thousands of God's children...needlessly...and will keep killing for years to come.

Let that sink in.

the lack of sincere repentance and living righteously is what is actually killing God's children . . . .and almost NOBODY is telling us to repent . . . I can understand endure to the end . . . while the majority of the church members who refuse to repent bring down the whole wrath of God on all of us . . .I feel a little cheated for trying so hard to keep His commandments . . . .

I still have to walk through the tribulations that are brought on all of us because of a few . . . then I must tolerate prophets who refuse to call us to repentance . . .haven't heard the cry since 2012 . . .

They preach repentance each and every conference.

Screenshot_20220402-153339.png

Niemand wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:37 pm

CuriousThinker wrote: ↑March 25th, 2022, 2:57 pm

zionssuburb wrote: ↑March 25th, 2022, 2:01 pm The Rumor is around Heavenly Mother, and a 'heavenly hush' about her. The inappropriateness of praying to Heavenly Mother and that the use of heavenly parents is all lower case. We'll see but that's the only rumor I hear rumbles about.

I have a super devout friend who told me last year that she prays to Heavenly Mother. I had never even heard about that before or since.

We had Mother's Day/Mothering Sunday last week, and one of the speakers was promoting this more or less.

WikiUp wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 5:25 pm Best thing I heard during the Saturday Conference sessions was: Sharon Eubanks is gone along with the rest of the Relief Society presidency.

Hopefully, the replacements will be non-Queer supporting, non-UN Agenda 2030, etc. Maybe even married.

Just wondering IF Eubanks will remain CEO of LDS Charities. Time for a replacement there also.

CuriousThinker wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 5:27 pm

Niemand wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:37 pm

CuriousThinker wrote: ↑March 25th, 2022, 2:57 pm

zionssuburb wrote: ↑March 25th, 2022, 2:01 pm The Rumor is around Heavenly Mother, and a 'heavenly hush' about her. The inappropriateness of praying to Heavenly Mother and that the use of heavenly parents is all lower case. We'll see but that's the only rumor I hear rumbles about.

I have a super devout friend who told me last year that she prays to Heavenly Mother. I had never even heard about that before or since.

We had Mother's Day/Mothering Sunday last week, and one of the speakers was promoting this more or less.

All I can say is "Yikes"!!

Robin Hood wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:49 pm

BringerOfJoy wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:23 pm

Robin Hood wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 11:24 am

SempiternalHarbinger wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 11:03 am

And yet, none in the first presidency served a full-time mission.

I hadn't realised that.
A tad hypocritical methinks.

While you won't generally find me defending the GA's, in this case I think we need to be fair. There was this little thing called WWII followed by the Korean War. Looking at my husband's very True Blue Mormon family, in his father's generation, out of many brothers, only one served a mission (and I think he was the youngest, and it took a divine intervention to put him out in the mission field) but the rest served in the war effort. No, there was no missionary deferment available during the war. That came later. Nelson was finishing medical school, then it was out into the medical units (in his case I believe he went right to Walter Reed hospital as a surgeon.) Oaks was stateside serving as Nat'l Guard, I think, and Eyring was Air Force serving simultaneously as a district missionary. Because we have been doing these little fake wars since then, younger folks don't realize it was all hands on deck for the war effort during WWII and for a few years afterwards. IF you weren't in the military of some kind, people would have been looking at you like what the heck was the matter with you, and they drafted a lot of older men, also. And if you were home, you could expect to be buying "war bonds" and having just about everything rationed to support the war effort. Most of the missions were all shut down during the war, anyway. Most all of these men married right before going out or during the war, because who knew if they were coming back alive? Many didn't.

Even my newly wed mother-in-law was working in the ship yards in California, and my mother was working doing civil service jobs in the naval ports on the west coast since her husband was deployed out of them.

Pres. Nelson was born around 1925. There was clearly an opportunity for him to serve a mission after WWII and well before the Korean conflict.

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:50 pm

EvanLM wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:41 pm

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:34 pm

EvanLM wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:27 pm

the lack of sincere repentance and living righteously is what is actually killing God's children . . . .and almost NOBODY is telling us to repent . . . I can understand endure to the end . . . while the majority of the church members who refuse to repent bring down the whole wrath of God on all of us . . .I feel a little cheated for trying so hard to keep His commandments . . . .

I still have to walk through the tribulations that are brought on all of us because of a few . . . then I must tolerate prophets who refuse to call us to repentance . . .haven't heard the cry since 2012 . . .

They preach repentance each and every conference.

Screenshot_20220402-153339.png

thank you . . . let me correct . . .I wish they would tell us that we are wicked and need to repent now . . . not just give examples . . .I wish they would teach what sincere repentance is and what God expects . . .maybe they could teach what it doesn't mean, too . . . .

However, arx, maybe you have proved correctly that we are being led well and that the world events are not significant enough at this point for since repentance and turning from our sins . . . I take back my comments . . .our prophets are doing a great job of keeping us in the light of the Lord . . . good stuff from the brethren

They do tell us to repent and that repentance is required and is what God expects.

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Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 2:32 pm

Luke wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 2:29 pm

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 2:27 pm Conversion therapy hasn't been terribly effective. It's no real loss.

So we should take away someone's agency if they have a desire to participate?

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 2:27 pm Most of the WEF, NWO talk is paranoia. I'm glad the church doesn't share it.

What do you believe Ether 8 has reference to?

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 2:27 pm They don't support the BLM organization. They support the idea of loving everyone.

You're so wrong.

The ban applies to minors. I don't think it's helpful to focus on anything like that with kids. Adults can do whatever they want.

Ether 8 refers to real criminal organizations that have and do have great control over governments in Lamanite countries.

You're welcome to show where they supported the BLM organization.

Kit-OTW wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 5:22 pm

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:40 pm

The Red Pill wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:30 pm

Subcomandante wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:15 pm

Suppose for example that the hundreds of thousands of people have been whacked by the jab is a true, verifiable number. Not simply an estimate but something definitely catalogued.

There have been more Covid vaccines applied than there are people living on the Earth.

The death rate of the vaccine would be about 1 per MYRIAD.

The verifiable numbers of Coronavirus indicate a death rate of about 1 percent.

Then you have the issue of grabbing the numbers from each and every vaccine. The truth is we simply do not have the numbers to make these claims. This would be preferable than making an emotional statement against all vaccines in general or even all COVID vaccines in general.

If we could verify the numbers spouted off by RedPilled, we could still see the vaccines are better, but then we get to the next question: which vaccines

I guess you missed the memo of insurance companies reporting a 40% increase in deaths of 18 to 64 year old since the jab rollout. Not covid related.

...and the VAERS data memo

....and the DOD leaked information memo

...and that athletes are dying at record rates.

All this has been posted numerous times by numerous people on this forum, all verified information.

Yet...you say we don't have information.

WHY would you continue to say that??????

All kinds of causes of death are up. Homicides are way up. Overdoses are up. Suicides are up. Is the vax causing all of these homicides?

I've discussed the vaers data many times. It still lists gun shot wounds and drownings of they're within a few days of the vax. I still don't understand why anyone would rely on this kind of data.

Athletes are not dying are record rates. Please provide any study that suggests that.

There is simply no credible evidence for the extreme positions on here.

I have a list for you. This is just through April 2021. To see the rest click the link at the end:
January 2021

01/01/21, Windmore, Pennsylvania, USA Dead
Blake Barklage (17), a tennis player at La Salle High School in Windmore, Pennsylvania. Collapsed and died with cardiac arrest, after his team’s victory in the PCL. News Story
03/01/21, Portugal Dead
Alex Apolinario (24), Brazilian Alverca FC soccer player collapsing on pitch with cardiac arrest during match. Died four days later News Story
09/01/21. USA
Jordan Glenn, Wisconsin basketball player. Collapsed in a break at the start of the half. CPR with a defibrillator, transferred to hospital by Ambulance.
22/01/21, USA Dead
Hank Aaron (86), former Pro Baseballer received his COVID vaccine on January 5th, 2021 to demonstrate the safety of the vaccine and encourage other black Americans to do the same. Died two weeks later in his sleep – listed as natural causes. News Story
30/01/21 Indianapolis USA Dead
Wayne Radford (64), NBA star and former Indianapolis team star, died at his home in Indianapolis. News Story
30/01/21, France
Garissone Innocent (20), Cannes Team football goalkeeper. collapsed and blacked out in a game against Chamblee. Tachycardia attack, unable to speak or breathe. News Story

February 2021

06/02/21 Philippines Dead
Clement Lucchu (25), Cameroonian basketball player. Played in Manila, Philippines. Suffered a heart attack and died. News Story
11/02/21, Wales Dead
Logan Luker (17), rugby player Youth Captain at Penygraig RFC died suddenly News Story
21/02/21 Croatia Dead
Zlatko Saracevich, (59) (former Yugoslavia handball player and world handball champion), won Gold with Croatia at Atlanta Olympics, and recent handball coach. His team just won in a derby against RK Lokomotiva 32:29, and he collapsed with a heart attack just after he gave a media statement. Resuscitation failed. News Story
22/02/21 Portugal Dead
Alfredo Quintana (32), a Cuban handball goalie in Portugal. Collapsed after going into cardiac arrest during practice. Died four days later. News Story

March 2021
03/03/2021, Wallkill Central School, New York, USA (17), Dead
Miguel Antonio Lugo (17) high school football player collapsed and died during football practice
08/03/21 Egypt Dead
Abdel-Rahman Atef (23). Al-Rowad Club football player collapsed and died during his team’s Al game in the city of Sharqiya. Swallowed his tongue and resuscitation attempts were unsuccessful (no trained staff). News Story
11/03/21 Illinois, USA Dead
David Wakefield, (27) New Zealand cricketer. Collapsed during training with myocarditis. Brought back to life with defibrillator, hospitalized three weeks in intensive care, required extensive rehabilitation before he could walk and talk. News Story
19/03/21, Milton Keynes, UK
Raymond van Barneveld, darts player collapsed and received paramedic attention during PDC Championship News Story
19/03/21 Charleston NC, USA Dead
Joe Bradshaw, 19, a football player at Charleston Southern University. Collapsed with cardiac arrest – shallow breathing 19/03/21 Charleston NC, USA Dead
Joe Bradshaw, 19, a football player at Charleston Southern University. Collapsed with cardiac arrest – shallow breathing
20/03/21 Dead
Andy Haman (54) Pro bodybuilder and actor Andy Haman has died of Pulmonary embolism News Story
22/03/21, Sacramento California, USA Dead
Emmanual Antwi (18) a Kennedy High footballer (Canadian) collapsed on the field in Sacramento. On-field CPR attempts failed and he died
23/03/21
Moussa Dembélé (25), Atlético Madrid striker collapsed in training and received medical attention. News Story
27/03/21 Stewarton, Scotland Dead
Laura Henderson (42), cardiac arrest while running, Died days later in hospital. News Story
29/03/21 India Dead
Devaraj Anchan (33) a State-level volleyball player collapsed, clutching his chest, while playing in a tournament and died on the way to hospital in Udupi. News Story
30/03/21, Ghana
Charles Bulu Ghanaian referee collapses during AFCON Match News Story Video
30/03/21, USA
Alex Stalock (34), NHL Oilers goalie out for the season or more due to heart condition. Positive COVID Test in November 2020, diagnosed myocarditis in March 2021 News Story – The Athletic News Story2
31/03/21 USA
Brett Smith, an NCAA college basketball referee, collapsed during a game. Hospitalized with a blood clot.
31/03/21 Norway
Filip Ingebrigtsen (28) Norwegian runner had a tough 2021 after a reaction to the corona vaccine. Ingebrigtsen got the second vaccine dose just after the Olympics in Tokyo. His goal was “getting back to normal” but on October 17, he finished 10th in a race his brother won. News Story

https://yournews.com/2021/12/08/2262859 ... d-cardiac/

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:40 pm

The Red Pill wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:30 pm

Subcomandante wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:15 pm

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:02 pm

It has done no such thing. That's why most got it and know that that's not the issue you've invented.

Suppose for example that the hundreds of thousands of people have been whacked by the jab is a true, verifiable number. Not simply an estimate but something definitely catalogued.

There have been more Covid vaccines applied than there are people living on the Earth.

The death rate of the vaccine would be about 1 per MYRIAD.

The verifiable numbers of Coronavirus indicate a death rate of about 1 percent.

Then you have the issue of grabbing the numbers from each and every vaccine. The truth is we simply do not have the numbers to make these claims. This would be preferable than making an emotional statement against all vaccines in general or even all COVID vaccines in general.

If we could verify the numbers spouted off by RedPilled, we could still see the vaccines are better, but then we get to the next question: which vaccines

I guess you missed the memo of insurance companies reporting a 40% increase in deaths of 18 to 64 year old since the jab rollout. Not covid related.

...and the VAERS data memo

....and the DOD leaked information memo

...and that athletes are dying at record rates.

All this has been posted numerous times by numerous people on this forum, all verified information.

Yet...you say we don't have information.

WHY would you continue to say that??????

All kinds of causes of death are up. Homicides are way up. Overdoses are up. Suicides are up. Is the vax causing all of these homicides?

I've discussed the vaers data many times. It still lists gun shot wounds and drownings of they're within a few days of the vax. I still don't understand why anyone would rely on this kind of data.

Athletes are not dying are record rates. Please provide any study that suggests that.

There is simply no credible evidence for the extreme positions on here.

BringerOfJoy wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 5:33 pm

Robin Hood wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:49 pm

BringerOfJoy wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:23 pm

Robin Hood wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 11:24 am

I hadn't realised that.
A tad hypocritical methinks.

While you won't generally find me defending the GA's, in this case I think we need to be fair. There was this little thing called WWII followed by the Korean War. Looking at my husband's very True Blue Mormon family, in his father's generation, out of many brothers, only one served a mission (and I think he was the youngest, and it took a divine intervention to put him out in the mission field) but the rest served in the war effort. No, there was no missionary deferment available during the war. That came later. Nelson was finishing medical school, then it was out into the medical units (in his case I believe he went right to Walter Reed hospital as a surgeon.) Oaks was stateside serving as Nat'l Guard, I think, and Eyring was Air Force serving simultaneously as a district missionary. Because we have been doing these little fake wars since then, younger folks don't realize it was all hands on deck for the war effort during WWII and for a few years afterwards. IF you weren't in the military of some kind, people would have been looking at you like what the heck was the matter with you, and they drafted a lot of older men, also. And if you were home, you could expect to be buying "war bonds" and having just about everything rationed to support the war effort. Most of the missions were all shut down during the war, anyway. Most all of these men married right before going out or during the war, because who knew if they were coming back alive? Many didn't.

Even my newly wed mother-in-law was working in the ship yards in California, and my mother was working doing civil service jobs in the naval ports on the west coast since her husband was deployed out of them.

Pres. Nelson was born around 1925. There was clearly an opportunity for him to serve a mission after WWII and well before the Korean conflict.

1924. He got out of the military in 1953. He had been married since 1945, and probably had 3 kids by 1953. His situation is a bit unique since he graduated from HS at 16, the same year he was baptized. (His parents were not active). By the time he turned 19, the war was on, and he was at least 3 years into his 1st degree since he had been attending high school and college concurrently. I am going to guess he had a military commitment for med school, or he would have had a hard time getting a draft deferment for anything at that point.

Subcomandante wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:15 pm

The verifiable numbers of Coronavirus indicate a death rate of about 1 percent.

InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 5:34 pm

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:50 pm

EvanLM wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:41 pm

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:34 pm

They preach repentance each and every conference.

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thank you . . . let me correct . . .I wish they would tell us that we are wicked and need to repent now . . . not just give examples . . .I wish they would teach what sincere repentance is and what God expects . . .maybe they could teach what it doesn't mean, too . . . .

However, arx, maybe you have proved correctly that we are being led well and that the world events are not significant enough at this point for since repentance and turning from our sins . . . I take back my comments . . .our prophets are doing a great job of keeping us in the light of the Lord . . . good stuff from the brethren

They do tell us to repent and that repentance is required and is what God expects.

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Since people like Klaus Schwab aren't members and aren't expected to pay tithing to enter the temple, they will never hear a call to repentance from a church leader. Instead, we'll have church leaders join them and their aims for the world.

EvanLM wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 5:24 pm

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:34 pm

EvanLM wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 4:27 pm

The Red Pill wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 3:58 pm

That elephant, called the poison death-jab, has killed and injured hundreds of thousands of God's children...needlessly...and will keep killing for years to come.

Let that sink in.

the lack of sincere repentance and living righteously is what is actually killing God's children . . . .and almost NOBODY is telling us to repent . . . I can understand endure to the end . . . while the majority of the church members who refuse to repent bring down the whole wrath of God on all of us . . .I feel a little cheated for trying so hard to keep His commandments . . . .

I still have to walk through the tribulations that are brought on all of us because of a few . . . then I must tolerate prophets who refuse to call us to repentance . . .haven't heard the cry since 2012 . . .

They preach repentance each and every conference.

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I appreciate that they use the word repentance in many talks . . . thank you . . .silly things like turn off the internet for a week . . . thats their idea of repentance . . . .right? let me state this another way . . . we are walking through tribulations and will walk through more because of the refusal of mormons to repent . . . .

and the refusal of our prophets to call us to repentance in a real way . . . . their snippets are a great reminder, though . . .just like come follow me . . . milk

it won't be the mormons who kill the prophets . . it will be the cabal . . the secret combination . . . the leaders of our nations . . . they will kill the prophets . . the mormons who follow the prophets will probably not repent then, either . . . but just accept it as life . . .no fight . . no spiritual battle . . .just another day in the life . . .