General Conference April 2022 - Rumors / and live thread

[EvanLM]

I guess you missed the memo of insurance companies reporting a 40% increase in deaths of 18 to 64 year old since the jab rollout. Not covid related.

...and the VAERS data memo

....and the DOD leaked information memo

...and that athletes are dying at record rates.

All this has been posted numerous times by numerous people on this forum, all verified information.

Yet...you say we don't have information.

WHY would you continue to say that??????

All kinds of causes of death are up. Homicides are way up. Overdoses are up. Suicides are up. Is the vax caused all of these homicides?

I've discussed the vaers data many times. It still lists gun shot wounds and drownings of they're within a few days of the vax. I still don't understand why anyone would rely on this kind of data.

Athletes are not dying are record rates. Please provide any study that suggests that.

There is simply no credible evidence for the extreme positions on here.

then, if you are not getting creditable information . . .why, my brother . . . are you on this forum . . posting and . . . reading

I know enough to know not to believe everything I read on the internet.

so the facts that have been presented on this forum . . .come from the internet . . . and may not be true . . . is that what you are saying ? who and where do you rely on for truth in world and us news?

[Artaxerxes]

All kinds of causes of death are up. Homicides are way up. Overdoses are up. Suicides are up. Is the vax caused all of these homicides?

I've discussed the vaers data many times. It still lists gun shot wounds and drownings of they're within a few days of the vax. I still don't understand why anyone would rely on this kind of data.

Athletes are not dying are record rates. Please provide any study that suggests that.

There is simply no credible evidence for the extreme positions on here.

then, if you are not getting creditable information . . .why, my brother . . . are you on this forum . . posting and . . . reading

I know enough to know not to believe everything I read on the internet.

so the facts that have been presented on this forum . . .come from the internet . . . and may not be true . . . is that what you are saying ? who and where do you rely on for truth in world and us news?

No, you asked specifically about what I read on the forum. I believe some of it and not others because I'm a thinking human.

[EvanLM]

My son is graduating but he will not be serving a mission. He believes in freedom and guns. Not in masks and clot shots. My nephews are also ditching the missions.

good for them . . . you don't have to go on a mission to reach the celestial kingdom, . . . however, you DO need to be under the everlasting covenant . . . encourage them to get ready to enter the temple, worthily (whatever that means) . . .and request those ordinances . . .

there is tremendous power in the covenant . . . this will help them better than a mission that is served over the internet . . .that, in my mind, is a fake mission . . .

Jesus will be here soon and the tribulations will be easier if your family have taken their covenants . . . I know that

I have wanted to serve a third mission for the last 10 years but refuse to do so unless I can knock doors . . . I also have a little difficulty with the "brethren" knowing my financial status . . .it is none of their business . . .

if I give my word that I can pay for a mission . . .then, that is good enough . . . . somewhere I got the idea that we needed no purse or script (sarcasm)

don't get me wrong, I can pay for my mission and my companions mission and . . . it just seems so smug that they ask for financial records . . .my personal finances are none of their business

and that holds true for our prophets . . .as well . . who did not serve a mission . . . and my father who did not serve a mission . . but repented later in life and died before retirement . . . prophets aren't hypocrites for not serving then recruiting . .

[EvanLM]

then, if you are not getting creditable information . . .why, my brother . . . are you on this forum . . posting and . . . reading

I know enough to know not to believe everything I read on the internet.

so the facts that have been presented on this forum . . .come from the internet . . . and may not be true . . . is that what you are saying ? who and where do you rely on for truth in world and us news?

No, you asked specifically about what I read on the forum. I believe some of it and not others because I'm a thinking human.

sorry, thought I asked WHY are you on this forum ? so where do you go for truth in news . . .

[Joan7]

The gnat you are hyperfocused on does not become an elephant by enlarging it in your own mind.

That elephant, called the poison death-jab, has killed and injured hundreds of thousands of God's children...needlessly...and will keep killing for years to come.

Let that sink in.

the lack of sincere repentance and living righteously is what is actually killing God's children . . . .and almost NOBODY is telling us to repent . . . I can understand endure to the end . . . while the majority of the church members who refuse to repent bring down the whole wrath of God on all of us . . .I feel a little cheated for trying so hard to keep His commandments . . . .

I still have to walk through the tribulations that are brought on all of us because of a few . . . then I must tolerate prophets who refuse to call us to repentance . . .haven't heard the cry since 2012 . . .

They preach repentance each and every conference.

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I'm sorry, but could you please point out which talk is calling anyone to repentance? I can't seem to find it.

[farmerchick]

I sensed a great urgency as well..many recuring themes about change, family, and gathering Israel/laboring in the mission field.....the afternoon session I thought was reaffirming to what I have been thinking for a while now.....a great plague is sweeping the earth right now like a tidal wave...and it's not the pandemic....maybe its the worldview some have is too myopic....this is a time for preparation to meet our Savior and future...so in that context the gospel is really personal and family centric.....the church is just an earthly structure to facilitate us on the path...the progress on the path is up to each of us and our own families.....i also believe there are contingents of members and non members who are subverting the mission of the gospel in the cob and elsewhere....and even though the church may be off track because of the imperfections of good and bad people trying to direct the paths of the church.....the church will still end up accomplishing the tasks of the master, our Lord and Saviour....as all things will work for our good even though mortality is very messy.....the natural man is alive and well and the brethren are still talking about him....or her....change can happen repentance was a topic......maybe the issue about gathering Israel is that we have been commanded to do that to usher in the second coming. The time to labor is short but we must finish strong regardless of the depravity and wickedness of each of us and the world as a whole....sometimes you just have to push through with what you have....even if it isn't ideal....i believe that's where we are....i have a calm and peaceful feeling after hearing the afternoon session....but my expectations are not that the first pres tells me every move to make...i get to choose and navigate this on my own terms.......I feel like the strategic plan under the direction of the Saviour for perilous times is in place and the time for committees to do planning, discussion and input are over.....the variable scenarios have been considered and now the silence being perceived is not lack of harping or caring...it's just that all the leaders and participants should know what the plan is and just do it.....implement the plan... as bro Ochoa asked, "is it working for you?'. Thats a great question... I know what the desolating sickness/plague covering the land is and it's the opposite of humility......time is short to choose brothers and sisters......this thread has made President Nelson's use of the word myopic stand out to me.....while out of the context in which he used it...it seems relevant here in this microcosm of the internet......

myopic is a word that has been used to insult people . . . those women on the view and other politicians use it frequently . . . I think I've heard Biden and Jen Snarky use it . . .

perhaps it is a good thing when our prophet uses it . . . he kinda sounds like Trump . . .always promising that we'll be back .. . . or we'll save the day . . .but no one knows the plan . . . not Trumps plan . . .not our prophets plan . . . except, maybe, the prophets . . . know the plan . . .

it's also used to describe something small.....that's how I'm using it....and you can know the plan....i know the plan....not being snarky....i know people here are intelligent I can't be the only one...lol

[Artaxerxes]

That elephant, called the poison death-jab, has killed and injured hundreds of thousands of God's children...needlessly...and will keep killing for years to come.

Let that sink in.

the lack of sincere repentance and living righteously is what is actually killing God's children . . . .and almost NOBODY is telling us to repent . . . I can understand endure to the end . . . while the majority of the church members who refuse to repent bring down the whole wrath of God on all of us . . .I feel a little cheated for trying so hard to keep His commandments . . . .

I still have to walk through the tribulations that are brought on all of us because of a few . . . then I must tolerate prophets who refuse to call us to repentance . . .haven't heard the cry since 2012 . . .

They preach repentance each and every conference.

Screenshot_20220402-153339.png

I'm sorry, but could you please point out which talk is calling anyone to repentance? I can't seem to find it.

They are in the picture above.

If you're having trouble finding those, there are also these:

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... s?lang=eng

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... n?lang=eng

[Artaxerxes]

I know enough to know not to believe everything I read on the internet.

so the facts that have been presented on this forum . . .come from the internet . . . and may not be true . . . is that what you are saying ? who and where do you rely on for truth in world and us news?

No, you asked specifically about what I read on the forum. I believe some of it and not others because I'm a thinking human.

sorry, thought I asked WHY are you on this forum ? so where do you go for truth in news . . .

I find the forum interesting. That's all.

[Joan7]

It has done no such thing. That's why most got it and know that that's not the issue you've invented.

Suppose for example that the hundreds of thousands of people have been whacked by the jab is a true, verifiable number. Not simply an estimate but something definitely catalogued.

There have been more Covid vaccines applied than there are people living on the Earth.

The death rate of the vaccine would be about 1 per MYRIAD.

The verifiable numbers of Coronavirus indicate a death rate of about 1 percent.

Then you have the issue of grabbing the numbers from each and every vaccine. The truth is we simply do not have the numbers to make these claims. This would be preferable than making an emotional statement against all vaccines in general or even all COVID vaccines in general.

If we could verify the numbers spouted off by RedPilled, we could still see the vaccines are better, but then we get to the next question: which vaccines

I guess you missed the memo of insurance companies reporting a 40% increase in deaths of 18 to 64 year old since the jab rollout. Not covid related.

...and the VAERS data memo

....and the DOD leaked information memo

...and that athletes are dying at record rates.

All this has been posted numerous times by numerous people on this forum, all verified information.

Yet...you say we don't have information.

WHY would you continue to say that??????

All kinds of causes of death are up. Homicides are way up. Overdoses are up. Suicides are up. Is the vax causing all of these homicides?

I've discussed the vaers data many times. It still lists gun shot wounds and drownings of they're within a few days of the vax. I still don't understand why anyone would rely on this kind of data.

Athletes are not dying are record rates. Please provide any study that suggests that.

There is simply no credible evidence for the extreme positions on here.

I have a list for you. This is just through April 2021. To see the rest click the link at the end:
January 2021

01/01/21, Windmore, Pennsylvania, USA Dead
Blake Barklage (17), a tennis player at La Salle High School in Windmore, Pennsylvania. Collapsed and died with cardiac arrest, after his team’s victory in the PCL. News Story
03/01/21, Portugal Dead
Alex Apolinario (24), Brazilian Alverca FC soccer player collapsing on pitch with cardiac arrest during match. Died four days later News Story
09/01/21. USA
Jordan Glenn, Wisconsin basketball player. Collapsed in a break at the start of the half. CPR with a defibrillator, transferred to hospital by Ambulance.
22/01/21, USA Dead
Hank Aaron (86), former Pro Baseballer received his COVID vaccine on January 5th, 2021 to demonstrate the safety of the vaccine and encourage other black Americans to do the same. Died two weeks later in his sleep – listed as natural causes. News Story
30/01/21 Indianapolis USA Dead
Wayne Radford (64), NBA star and former Indianapolis team star, died at his home in Indianapolis. News Story
30/01/21, France
Garissone Innocent (20), Cannes Team football goalkeeper. collapsed and blacked out in a game against Chamblee. Tachycardia attack, unable to speak or breathe. News Story

February 2021

06/02/21 Philippines Dead
Clement Lucchu (25), Cameroonian basketball player. Played in Manila, Philippines. Suffered a heart attack and died. News Story
11/02/21, Wales Dead
Logan Luker (17), rugby player Youth Captain at Penygraig RFC died suddenly News Story
21/02/21 Croatia Dead
Zlatko Saracevich, (59) (former Yugoslavia handball player and world handball champion), won Gold with Croatia at Atlanta Olympics, and recent handball coach. His team just won in a derby against RK Lokomotiva 32:29, and he collapsed with a heart attack just after he gave a media statement. Resuscitation failed. News Story
22/02/21 Portugal Dead
Alfredo Quintana (32), a Cuban handball goalie in Portugal. Collapsed after going into cardiac arrest during practice. Died four days later. News Story

March 2021
03/03/2021, Wallkill Central School, New York, USA (17), Dead
Miguel Antonio Lugo (17) high school football player collapsed and died during football practice
08/03/21 Egypt Dead
Abdel-Rahman Atef (23). Al-Rowad Club football player collapsed and died during his team’s Al game in the city of Sharqiya. Swallowed his tongue and resuscitation attempts were unsuccessful (no trained staff). News Story
11/03/21 Illinois, USA Dead
David Wakefield, (27) New Zealand cricketer. Collapsed during training with myocarditis. Brought back to life with defibrillator, hospitalized three weeks in intensive care, required extensive rehabilitation before he could walk and talk. News Story
19/03/21, Milton Keynes, UK
Raymond van Barneveld, darts player collapsed and received paramedic attention during PDC Championship News Story
19/03/21 Charleston NC, USA Dead
Joe Bradshaw, 19, a football player at Charleston Southern University. Collapsed with cardiac arrest – shallow breathing 19/03/21 Charleston NC, USA Dead
Joe Bradshaw, 19, a football player at Charleston Southern University. Collapsed with cardiac arrest – shallow breathing
20/03/21 Dead
Andy Haman (54) Pro bodybuilder and actor Andy Haman has died of Pulmonary embolism News Story
22/03/21, Sacramento California, USA Dead
Emmanual Antwi (18) a Kennedy High footballer (Canadian) collapsed on the field in Sacramento. On-field CPR attempts failed and he died
23/03/21
Moussa Dembélé (25), Atlético Madrid striker collapsed in training and received medical attention. News Story
27/03/21 Stewarton, Scotland Dead
Laura Henderson (42), cardiac arrest while running, Died days later in hospital. News Story
29/03/21 India Dead
Devaraj Anchan (33) a State-level volleyball player collapsed, clutching his chest, while playing in a tournament and died on the way to hospital in Udupi. News Story
30/03/21, Ghana
Charles Bulu Ghanaian referee collapses during AFCON Match News Story Video
30/03/21, USA
Alex Stalock (34), NHL Oilers goalie out for the season or more due to heart condition. Positive COVID Test in November 2020, diagnosed myocarditis in March 2021 News Story – The Athletic News Story2
31/03/21 USA
Brett Smith, an NCAA college basketball referee, collapsed during a game. Hospitalized with a blood clot.
31/03/21 Norway
Filip Ingebrigtsen (28) Norwegian runner had a tough 2021 after a reaction to the corona vaccine. Ingebrigtsen got the second vaccine dose just after the Olympics in Tokyo. His goal was “getting back to normal” but on October 17, he finished 10th in a race his brother won. News Story

https://yournews.com/2021/12/08/2262859 ... d-cardiac/

[EvanLM]

The gnat you are hyperfocused on does not become an elephant by enlarging it in your own mind.

That elephant, called the poison death-jab, has killed and injured hundreds of thousands of God's children...needlessly...and will keep killing for years to come.

Let that sink in.

the lack of sincere repentance and living righteously is what is actually killing God's children . . . .and almost NOBODY is telling us to repent . . . I can understand endure to the end . . . while the majority of the church members who refuse to repent bring down the whole wrath of God on all of us . . .I feel a little cheated for trying so hard to keep His commandments . . . .

I still have to walk through the tribulations that are brought on all of us because of a few . . . then I must tolerate prophets who refuse to call us to repentance . . .haven't heard the cry since 2012 . . .

They preach repentance each and every conference.

Screenshot_20220402-153339.png

I appreciate that they use the word repentance in many talks . . . thank you . . .silly things like turn off the internet for a week . . . thats their idea of repentance . . . .right? let me state this another way . . . we are walking through tribulations and will walk through more because of the refusal of mormons to repent . . . .

and the refusal of our prophets to call us to repentance in a real way . . . . their snippets are a great reminder, though . . .just like come follow me . . . milk

it won't be the mormons who kill the prophets . . it will be the cabal . . the secret combination . . . the leaders of our nations . . . they will kill the prophets . . the mormons who follow the prophets will probably not repent then, either . . . but just accept it as life . . .no fight . . no spiritual battle . . .just another day in the life . . .

[WikiUp]

Best thing I heard during the Saturday Conference sessions was: Sharon Eubanks is gone along with the rest of the Relief Society presidency.

Hopefully, the replacements will be non-Queer supporting, non-UN Agenda 2030, etc. Maybe even married.

Just wondering IF Eubanks will remain CEO of LDS Charities. Time for a replacement there also.

[EvanLM]

Jen snarky alias Jen Psaki

[CuriousThinker]

The Rumor is around Heavenly Mother, and a 'heavenly hush' about her. The inappropriateness of praying to Heavenly Mother and that the use of heavenly parents is all lower case. We'll see but that's the only rumor I hear rumbles about.

I have a super devout friend who told me last year that she prays to Heavenly Mother. I had never even heard about that before or since.

We had Mother's Day/Mothering Sunday last week, and one of the speakers was promoting this more or less.

All I can say is "Yikes"!!

[Lizzy60]

Best thing I heard during the Saturday Conference sessions was: Sharon Eubanks is gone along with the rest of the Relief Society presidency.

Hopefully, the replacements will be non-Queer supporting, non-UN Agenda 2030, etc. Maybe even married.

Just wondering IF Eubanks will remain CEO of LDS Charities. Time for a replacement there also.

The second counselor of the RS presidency, Kristin Yee, is unmarried, previously worked for Disney for 13 years, and is 40 years old.

[Niemand]

The Rumor is around Heavenly Mother, and a 'heavenly hush' about her. The inappropriateness of praying to Heavenly Mother and that the use of heavenly parents is all lower case. We'll see but that's the only rumor I hear rumbles about.

I have a super devout friend who told me last year that she prays to Heavenly Mother. I had never even heard about that before or since.

We had Mother's Day/Mothering Sunday last week, and one of the speakers was promoting this more or less.

All I can say is "Yikes"!!

She also talked about gender stereotypes, non-binary and how her husband helps her. He is the only guy I've seen in our ward to wear a double mask.

[BringerOfJoy]

And yet, none in the first presidency served a full-time mission.

I hadn't realised that.
A tad hypocritical methinks.

While you won't generally find me defending the GA's, in this case I think we need to be fair. There was this little thing called WWII followed by the Korean War. Looking at my husband's very True Blue Mormon family, in his father's generation, out of many brothers, only one served a mission (and I think he was the youngest, and it took a divine intervention to put him out in the mission field) but the rest served in the war effort. No, there was no missionary deferment available during the war. That came later. Nelson was finishing medical school, then it was out into the medical units (in his case I believe he went right to Walter Reed hospital as a surgeon.) Oaks was stateside serving as Nat'l Guard, I think, and Eyring was Air Force serving simultaneously as a district missionary. Because we have been doing these little fake wars since then, younger folks don't realize it was all hands on deck for the war effort during WWII and for a few years afterwards. IF you weren't in the military of some kind, people would have been looking at you like what the heck was the matter with you, and they drafted a lot of older men, also. And if you were home, you could expect to be buying "war bonds" and having just about everything rationed to support the war effort. Most of the missions were all shut down during the war, anyway. Most all of these men married right before going out or during the war, because who knew if they were coming back alive? Many didn't.

Even my newly wed mother-in-law was working in the ship yards in California, and my mother was working doing civil service jobs in the naval ports on the west coast since her husband was deployed out of them.

Pres. Nelson was born around 1925. There was clearly an opportunity for him to serve a mission after WWII and well before the Korean conflict.

1924. He got out of the military in 1953. He had been married since 1945, and probably had 3 kids by 1953. His situation is a bit unique since he graduated from HS at 16, the same year he was baptized. (His parents were not active). By the time he turned 19, the war was on, and he was at least 3 years into his 1st degree since he had been attending high school and college concurrently. I am going to guess he had a military commitment for med school, or he would have had a hard time getting a draft deferment for anything at that point.

[InfoWarrior82]

the lack of sincere repentance and living righteously is what is actually killing God's children . . . .and almost NOBODY is telling us to repent . . . I can understand endure to the end . . . while the majority of the church members who refuse to repent bring down the whole wrath of God on all of us . . .I feel a little cheated for trying so hard to keep His commandments . . . .

I still have to walk through the tribulations that are brought on all of us because of a few . . . then I must tolerate prophets who refuse to call us to repentance . . .haven't heard the cry since 2012 . . .

They preach repentance each and every conference.

Screenshot_20220402-153339.png

thank you . . . let me correct . . .I wish they would tell us that we are wicked and need to repent now . . . not just give examples . . .I wish they would teach what sincere repentance is and what God expects . . .maybe they could teach what it doesn't mean, too . . . .

However, arx, maybe you have proved correctly that we are being led well and that the world events are not significant enough at this point for since repentance and turning from our sins . . . I take back my comments . . .our prophets are doing a great job of keeping us in the light of the Lord . . . good stuff from the brethren

They do tell us to repent and that repentance is required and is what God expects.

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Since people like Klaus Schwab aren't members and aren't expected to pay tithing to enter the temple, they will never hear a call to repentance from a church leader. Instead, we'll have church leaders join them and their aims for the world.

[spiritMan]

Conversion therapy hasn't been terribly effective. It's no real loss.

So we should take away someone's agency if they have a desire to participate?

Most of the WEF, NWO talk is paranoia. I'm glad the church doesn't share it.

What do you believe Ether 8 has reference to?

They don't support the BLM organization. They support the idea of loving everyone.

You're so wrong.

The ban applies to minors. I don't think it's helpful to focus on anything like that with kids. Adults can do whatever they want.

Ether 8 refers to real criminal organizations that have and do have great control over governments in Lamanite countries.

You're welcome to show where they supported the BLM organization.

Are you daft?
https://www.azleg.gov/legtext/55leg/2R/ ... B2802P.pdf

FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS SECTION:
20 1. "CONVERSION THERAPY":
21 (a) MEANS ANY PRACTICE OR TREATMENT THAT SEEKS TO CHANGE THE SEXUAL
22 ORIENTATION OR GENDER IDENTITY OF A PATIENT OR CLIENT, INCLUDING MENTAL
23 HEALTH THERAPY THAT SEEKS TO CHANGE, ELIMINATE OR REDUCE BEHAVIORS,
24 EXPRESSIONS, ATTRACTIONS OR FEELINGS RELATED TO THE PATIENT'S OR CLIENT'S
25 SEXUAL ORIENTATION OR GENDER IDENTITY.
26 (b) DOES NOT INCLUDE A PRACTICE OR TREATMENT THAT DOES NOT SEEK TO
27 CHANGE A PATIENT'S OR CLIENT'S SEXUAL ORIENTATION OR GENDER IDENTITY,
28 INCLUDING MENTAL HEALTH THERAPY AND THAT MEETS THE FOLLOWING:
29 (i) IS NEUTRAL WITH RESPECT TO SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND GENDER
30 IDENTITY.
31 (ii) PROVIDES ASSISTANCE TO A PATIENT OR CLIENT UNDERGOING GENDER
32 TRANSITION.
33 (iii) PROVIDES ACCEPTANCE OF AND SUPPORT AND UNDERSTANDING TO A
34 PATIENT OR CLIENT.
35 (iv) FACILITATES A PATIENT'S OR CLIENT'S ABILITY TO COPE, SOCIAL
36 SUPPORT OR IDENTITY EXPLORATION AND DEVELOPMENT.
37 (v) ADDRESSES UNLAWFUL, UNSAFE, PREMARITAL OR EXTRAMARITAL SEXUAL
38 ACTIVITIES IN A MANNER THAT IS NEUTRAL WITH RESPECT TO SEXUAL ORIENTATION.
39 (vi) DISCUSSES WITH A PATIENT OR CLIENT THE PATIENT’S OR CLIENT’S
40 MORAL OR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS OR PRACTICES.
41 2. "GENDER IDENTITY" HAS THE SAME MEANING PRESCRIBED IN SECTION
42 41-1441.
-----
In other words, if you have a kid who does not WANT intrusive homosexual thoughts, feelings, or behaviors this bill BANS any and all therapies associated with attempts (no matter what they are) to lessen those thoughts, feelings, behaviors.

The bill is a poison bill and anyone who is for these types of bills are either stupid, for them to gain political favor, or extremely wicked and evil.

The Church supports bills that make it impossible for a child to get professional therapeutic help to lessen ANY LGBTQ+ desires.

May the Church rot in hell for supporting this wickedness. They have actively deprived parents and children of any professional mechanism to diminish individual LGBTQ+ thoughts, desires, behaviors for minors.

[EvanLM]

Suppose for example that the hundreds of thousands of people have been whacked by the jab is a true, verifiable number. Not simply an estimate but something definitely catalogued.

There have been more Covid vaccines applied than there are people living on the Earth.

The death rate of the vaccine would be about 1 per MYRIAD.

The verifiable numbers of Coronavirus indicate a death rate of about 1 percent.

Then you have the issue of grabbing the numbers from each and every vaccine. The truth is we simply do not have the numbers to make these claims. This would be preferable than making an emotional statement against all vaccines in general or even all COVID vaccines in general.

If we could verify the numbers spouted off by RedPilled, we could still see the vaccines are better, but then we get to the next question: which vaccines

I guess you missed the memo of insurance companies reporting a 40% increase in deaths of 18 to 64 year old since the jab rollout. Not covid related.

...and the VAERS data memo

....and the DOD leaked information memo

...and that athletes are dying at record rates.

All this has been posted numerous times by numerous people on this forum, all verified information.

Yet...you say we don't have information.

WHY would you continue to say that??????

All kinds of causes of death are up. Homicides are way up. Overdoses are up. Suicides are up. Is the vax causing all of these homicides?

I've discussed the vaers data many times. It still lists gun shot wounds and drownings of they're within a few days of the vax. I still don't understand why anyone would rely on this kind of data.

Athletes are not dying are record rates. Please provide any study that suggests that.

There is simply no credible evidence for the extreme positions on here.

I have a list for you. This is just through April 2021. To see the rest click the link at the end:
January 2021

01/01/21, Windmore, Pennsylvania, USA Dead
Blake Barklage (17), a tennis player at La Salle High School in Windmore, Pennsylvania. Collapsed and died with cardiac arrest, after his team’s victory in the PCL. News Story
03/01/21, Portugal Dead
Alex Apolinario (24), Brazilian Alverca FC soccer player collapsing on pitch with cardiac arrest during match. Died four days later News Story
09/01/21. USA
Jordan Glenn, Wisconsin basketball player. Collapsed in a break at the start of the half. CPR with a defibrillator, transferred to hospital by Ambulance.
22/01/21, USA Dead
Hank Aaron (86), former Pro Baseballer received his COVID vaccine on January 5th, 2021 to demonstrate the safety of the vaccine and encourage other black Americans to do the same. Died two weeks later in his sleep – listed as natural causes. News Story
30/01/21 Indianapolis USA Dead
Wayne Radford (64), NBA star and former Indianapolis team star, died at his home in Indianapolis. News Story
30/01/21, France
Garissone Innocent (20), Cannes Team football goalkeeper. collapsed and blacked out in a game against Chamblee. Tachycardia attack, unable to speak or breathe. News Story

February 2021

06/02/21 Philippines Dead
Clement Lucchu (25), Cameroonian basketball player. Played in Manila, Philippines. Suffered a heart attack and died. News Story
11/02/21, Wales Dead
Logan Luker (17), rugby player Youth Captain at Penygraig RFC died suddenly News Story
21/02/21 Croatia Dead
Zlatko Saracevich, (59) (former Yugoslavia handball player and world handball champion), won Gold with Croatia at Atlanta Olympics, and recent handball coach. His team just won in a derby against RK Lokomotiva 32:29, and he collapsed with a heart attack just after he gave a media statement. Resuscitation failed. News Story
22/02/21 Portugal Dead
Alfredo Quintana (32), a Cuban handball goalie in Portugal. Collapsed after going into cardiac arrest during practice. Died four days later. News Story

March 2021
03/03/2021, Wallkill Central School, New York, USA (17), Dead
Miguel Antonio Lugo (17) high school football player collapsed and died during football practice
08/03/21 Egypt Dead
Abdel-Rahman Atef (23). Al-Rowad Club football player collapsed and died during his team’s Al game in the city of Sharqiya. Swallowed his tongue and resuscitation attempts were unsuccessful (no trained staff). News Story
11/03/21 Illinois, USA Dead
David Wakefield, (27) New Zealand cricketer. Collapsed during training with myocarditis. Brought back to life with defibrillator, hospitalized three weeks in intensive care, required extensive rehabilitation before he could walk and talk. News Story
19/03/21, Milton Keynes, UK
Raymond van Barneveld, darts player collapsed and received paramedic attention during PDC Championship News Story
19/03/21 Charleston NC, USA Dead
Joe Bradshaw, 19, a football player at Charleston Southern University. Collapsed with cardiac arrest – shallow breathing 19/03/21 Charleston NC, USA Dead
Joe Bradshaw, 19, a football player at Charleston Southern University. Collapsed with cardiac arrest – shallow breathing
20/03/21 Dead
Andy Haman (54) Pro bodybuilder and actor Andy Haman has died of Pulmonary embolism News Story
22/03/21, Sacramento California, USA Dead
Emmanual Antwi (18) a Kennedy High footballer (Canadian) collapsed on the field in Sacramento. On-field CPR attempts failed and he died
23/03/21
Moussa Dembélé (25), Atlético Madrid striker collapsed in training and received medical attention. News Story
27/03/21 Stewarton, Scotland Dead
Laura Henderson (42), cardiac arrest while running, Died days later in hospital. News Story
29/03/21 India Dead
Devaraj Anchan (33) a State-level volleyball player collapsed, clutching his chest, while playing in a tournament and died on the way to hospital in Udupi. News Story
30/03/21, Ghana
Charles Bulu Ghanaian referee collapses during AFCON Match News Story Video
30/03/21, USA
Alex Stalock (34), NHL Oilers goalie out for the season or more due to heart condition. Positive COVID Test in November 2020, diagnosed myocarditis in March 2021 News Story – The Athletic News Story2
31/03/21 USA
Brett Smith, an NCAA college basketball referee, collapsed during a game. Hospitalized with a blood clot.
31/03/21 Norway
Filip Ingebrigtsen (28) Norwegian runner had a tough 2021 after a reaction to the corona vaccine. Ingebrigtsen got the second vaccine dose just after the Olympics in Tokyo. His goal was “getting back to normal” but on October 17, he finished 10th in a race his brother won. News Story

https://yournews.com/2021/12/08/2262859 ... d-cardiac/

thank you . . .just the tip of the iceberg . . .I have watched these deaths and so many more being reported for months . . . . but then, our governement leaders have told us that we can believe it or not . . . to them it doesn't matter what truth is . . .just whether we believe what they want us to believe . . . and like arx they will intimidate us for what we believe is truth especially if it doesn't match what they want us to believe . . . then they basically tell us believe it or not . . . lie to reporters . . lie to public. . .then say coyly . . .believe it or not . . . you chose . .

so the whole world can just choose what to believe now . . regardless of truth . . . then our fellowman chants the same . . .well, believe it or not, you choose

the whole church can believe what they want . . . as long as they are nice and allow others to believe what they want . . . you choose . . . believe what you want to but Jesus loves you . . even if you're going to hell . . .Jesus loves you . . believe what you want . . . our fellowmen deal with us this way . . our religious and govt leaders . . .except Ron Desantis . . cuz he says disney is corrupt . . he's telling the truth . . .but .. believe what you want . . . Jesus will love you andthats all that matters

[madvin]

It has done no such thing. That's why most got it and know that that's not the issue you've invented.

Suppose for example that the hundreds of thousands of people have been whacked by the jab is a true, verifiable number. Not simply an estimate but something definitely catalogued.

There have been more Covid vaccines applied than there are people living on the Earth.

The death rate of the vaccine would be about 1 per MYRIAD.

The verifiable numbers of Coronavirus indicate a death rate of about 1 percent.

Then you have the issue of grabbing the numbers from each and every vaccine. The truth is we simply do not have the numbers to make these claims. This would be preferable than making an emotional statement against all vaccines in general or even all COVID vaccines in general.

If we could verify the numbers spouted off by RedPilled, we could still see the vaccines are better, but then we get to the next question: which vaccines

I guess you missed the memo of insurance companies reporting a 40% increase in deaths of 18 to 64 year old since the jab rollout. Not covid related.

...and the VAERS data memo

....and the DOD leaked information memo

...and that athletes are dying at record rates.

All this has been posted numerous times by numerous people on this forum, all verified information.

Yet...you say we don't have information.

WHY would you continue to say that??????

All kinds of causes of death are up. Homicides are way up. Overdoses are up. Suicides are up. Is the vax causing all of these homicides?

I've discussed the vaers data many times. It still lists gun shot wounds and drownings of they're within a few days of the vax. I still don't understand why anyone would rely on this kind of data.

Athletes are not dying are record rates. Please provide any study that suggests that.

There is simply no credible evidence for the extreme positions on here.

You should consider becoming a fact-checker. If you are waiting for the main stream media to give you the truth about the EXPERIMENTAL injection deaths, you will have a long wait.

Pfizer asked for 55,000 pages of public documents about their adverse effects of their EXPERIMENTAL injections (which are not at all like vaccines . . . until they changed the definition of vaccines) be sealed for 75 years. Why?

From those 55,000 pages we find in 2021, 1810 deaths from Pfizer and 1832 deaths from Moderna have been documented. As a comparison, back in the 1980's, when less than a dozen deaths happened because of their vaccines, they pulled it off the market right away.

But it's the systemic damage to the body that is a huge problem. Pfizer had 145,664 and Moderna had 236,316 from the 1st dose alone in 2021, and it isn't slowing up in 2022.

This experiment is a complicated one, with many different concoctions given.

400 athletes dead from the EXPERIMENTAL injection from July 2021 to January 2022.
https://rumble.com/vsvp0t-four-hundred- ... onths.html

[EvanLM]

I hadn't realised that.
A tad hypocritical methinks.

While you won't generally find me defending the GA's, in this case I think we need to be fair. There was this little thing called WWII followed by the Korean War. Looking at my husband's very True Blue Mormon family, in his father's generation, out of many brothers, only one served a mission (and I think he was the youngest, and it took a divine intervention to put him out in the mission field) but the rest served in the war effort. No, there was no missionary deferment available during the war. That came later. Nelson was finishing medical school, then it was out into the medical units (in his case I believe he went right to Walter Reed hospital as a surgeon.) Oaks was stateside serving as Nat'l Guard, I think, and Eyring was Air Force serving simultaneously as a district missionary. Because we have been doing these little fake wars since then, younger folks don't realize it was all hands on deck for the war effort during WWII and for a few years afterwards. IF you weren't in the military of some kind, people would have been looking at you like what the heck was the matter with you, and they drafted a lot of older men, also. And if you were home, you could expect to be buying "war bonds" and having just about everything rationed to support the war effort. Most of the missions were all shut down during the war, anyway. Most all of these men married right before going out or during the war, because who knew if they were coming back alive? Many didn't.

Even my newly wed mother-in-law was working in the ship yards in California, and my mother was working doing civil service jobs in the naval ports on the west coast since her husband was deployed out of them.

Pres. Nelson was born around 1925. There was clearly an opportunity for him to serve a mission after WWII and well before the Korean conflict.

1924. He got out of the military in 1953. He had been married since 1945, and probably had 3 kids by 1953. His situation is a bit unique since he graduated from HS at 16, the same year he was baptized. (His parents were not active). By the time he turned 19, the war was on, and he was at least 3 years into his 1st degree since he had been attending high school and college concurrently. I am going to guess he had a military commitment for med school, or he would have had a hard time getting a draft deferment for anything at that point.

sorry, I just have to add this . . . my boy friend in high school had a brother drafted to serve in the vietnam war . . . .after he was released he was over 21 years old . . . I have never been so humbled by a young man in my life and still have deep emotion when I tell this . . . he served a mission after his release . . . still humbles me . . . good man

[EvanLM]

we all have our agency and will accountable to the Lord for our choices and our repentance

I do not put the brethren as hypocrites because they didn't serve . . . .but I do think they have pride . . have had pride for along time over their occupations . . .Uckdorf can't resist constantly telling us that he is a pilot (actually owner of a airline) . . Bednar, Holland, Oaks like the college pres thing and Oaks loves the legal careers . . . however, the apostles at the time of Christ had occupations but doesn't seem to be recorded very often . . . .

now here's the challenge, tell me what Noahs occupation was . . the brother of Jared . . . Jared, Alma, Mormon, etc. . . how did they put food on the table . . King Benjamin . . . what was his work? . . Abinadi . . samuel the Lamanite . . . did they have to ask for time off to preach? . . . did they spend that time reminding their congregations of their identity of a doctor or pilot or CEO or lawyer or . . .

I really think our leaders do NOT like to be mocked from the large and spacious building . . . btw . . . I'm not the large and spacious person and no one on this forum has that much status . . to be the large and spacious people . . . I'm talking about he media, IRS, govt leaders, etc. . . the media is the #1 large and spacious mockers . . .

[Niyr]

The verifiable numbers of Coronavirus indicate a death rate of about 1 percent.

Not verifiable. Many people got it and were never counted. Not to mention the massive over estimates, especially early in where anything and everything was counted as positive (happens when you have an agenda and hospitals eager and willing to take government money for every positive case).

The number is quite a bit lower than the “official” 1% that the “experts” quote.

[Artaxerxes]

They preach repentance each and every conference.

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thank you . . . let me correct . . .I wish they would tell us that we are wicked and need to repent now . . . not just give examples . . .I wish they would teach what sincere repentance is and what God expects . . .maybe they could teach what it doesn't mean, too . . . .

However, arx, maybe you have proved correctly that we are being led well and that the world events are not significant enough at this point for since repentance and turning from our sins . . . I take back my comments . . .our prophets are doing a great job of keeping us in the light of the Lord . . . good stuff from the brethren

They do tell us to repent and that repentance is required and is what God expects.

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Since people like Klaus Schwab aren't members and aren't expected to pay tithing to enter the temple, they will never hear a call to repentance from a church leader. Instead, we'll have church leaders join them and their aims for the world.

Does he not have YouTube?

[Artaxerxes]

That elephant, called the poison death-jab, has killed and injured hundreds of thousands of God's children...needlessly...and will keep killing for years to come.

Let that sink in.

the lack of sincere repentance and living righteously is what is actually killing God's children . . . .and almost NOBODY is telling us to repent . . . I can understand endure to the end . . . while the majority of the church members who refuse to repent bring down the whole wrath of God on all of us . . .I feel a little cheated for trying so hard to keep His commandments . . . .

I still have to walk through the tribulations that are brought on all of us because of a few . . . then I must tolerate prophets who refuse to call us to repentance . . .haven't heard the cry since 2012 . . .

They preach repentance each and every conference.

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I appreciate that they use the word repentance in many talks . . . thank you . . .silly things like turn off the internet for a week . . . thats their idea of repentance . . . .right? let me state this another way . . . we are walking through tribulations and will walk through more because of the refusal of mormons to repent . . . .

and the refusal of our prophets to call us to repentance in a real way . . . . their snippets are a great reminder, though . . .just like come follow me . . . milk

it won't be the mormons who kill the prophets . . it will be the cabal . . the secret combination . . . the leaders of our nations . . . they will kill the prophets . . the mormons who follow the prophets will probably not repent then, either . . . but just accept it as life . . .no fight . . no spiritual battle . . .just another day in the life . . .

No. That is not their idea of repentance. Please actually read their talks.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... n?lang=eng