LDS Freedom Forum

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 1:54 pm

anonymous91 wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 1:46 pm

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 11:23 am

krp435 wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 11:13 am Andersen’s talk… Does being a peacemaker trump standing for truth?

The fact that you think those are contradictory is the problem, not Elder Anderson's talk.

The fact that the Church is condoning and embracing Wickedness, and then trying to claim that this is Christ-like behavior is the crux of the issue. They have let the nose of the camel into the tent. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

It has never embraced wickedness. It has told people not to hate people, even if they're sinners. People don't seem to be able to understand the difference.

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 1:59 pm

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 1:54 pm

anonymous91 wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 1:46 pm

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 11:23 am

The fact that you think those are contradictory is the problem, not Elder Anderson's talk.

The fact that the Church is condoning and embracing Wickedness, and then trying to claim that this is Christ-like behavior is the crux of the issue. They have let the nose of the camel into the tent. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

It has never embraced wickedness. It has told people not to hate people, even if they're sinners. People don't seem to be able to understand the difference.

Yes, the Church is embracing wickedness. They wrote a check to an organization that actively promotes abortion. They have taken the word “homosexuality” out of the Handbook. They have given millions of dollars to pro-lgbtq organizations in Utah. They have told members that it’s fine and dandy if they promote gay marriage on social media. Shall I go on?

BroJones wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 2:22 pm Report - finances only. Church membership and baptisms, not mentioned.

Sister Eubank is being released - effective 1 Aug 2022. As far as I could tell, we were not asked to provide a sustaining vote (just a vote of thanks as she is being released).

anonymous91 wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 2:14 pm

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 1:54 pm

anonymous91 wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 1:46 pm

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 11:23 am

The fact that you think those are contradictory is the problem, not Elder Anderson's talk.

The fact that the Church is condoning and embracing Wickedness, and then trying to claim that this is Christ-like behavior is the crux of the issue. They have let the nose of the camel into the tent. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

It has never embraced wickedness. It has told people not to hate people, even if they're sinners. People don't seem to be able to understand the difference.

SMH.

What do you think they are doing when they are signing the Arizona bill that is the very definition of wickedness. This bill literally bans Conversion Therapy for those struggling with SSA (even if the individual is requesting this). So, rather than love our brothers and sisters and give them a tool that can actually help them overcome their SSA issues, the church instead embraces a bill that ensures that those struggling with SSA never get the help they need.

How about the Church supporting WEF, Agenda 2030, New World Order. The church provides support to multiple organizations that use this money for murdering babies.

How about their support for BLM, which by FBI"s own definition is literally a domestic terrorist group, though TPTB would never admit it.

If you can't see that the Church is literally supporting wickedness by now, you need to open your eyes.

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 2:27 pm Conversion therapy hasn't been terribly effective. It's no real loss.

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 2:27 pm Most of the WEF, NWO talk is paranoia. I'm glad the church doesn't share it.

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 2:27 pm They don't support the BLM organization. They support the idea of loving everyone.

tdj wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 1:32 pm Well, after Anderson's talk, the ladies I sparred with on Facebook are no doubt gloating. Especially when I ended the conversation by saying maybe the subject will be addressed at General conference

Luke wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 2:29 pm

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 2:27 pm Conversion therapy hasn't been terribly effective. It's no real loss.

So we should take away someone's agency if they have a desire to participate?

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 2:27 pm Most of the WEF, NWO talk is paranoia. I'm glad the church doesn't share it.

What do you believe Ether 8 has reference to?

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 2:27 pm They don't support the BLM organization. They support the idea of loving everyone.

You're so wrong.

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 2:22 pm

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 1:59 pm

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 1:54 pm

anonymous91 wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 1:46 pm

The fact that the Church is condoning and embracing Wickedness, and then trying to claim that this is Christ-like behavior is the crux of the issue. They have let the nose of the camel into the tent. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

It has never embraced wickedness. It has told people not to hate people, even if they're sinners. People don't seem to be able to understand the difference.

Yes, the Church is embracing wickedness. They wrote a check to an organization that actively promotes abortion. They have taken the word “homosexuality” out of the Handbook. They have given millions of dollars to pro-lgbtq organizations in Utah. They have told members that it’s fine and dandy if they promote gay marriage on social media. Shall I go on?

They give groups money for limited purposes, but you're upset that those groups use other money for other purposes?

You're triggered by the church replacing the word "homosexual" with "same sex"?

They haven't said it's "fine" to promote gay marriage. They've only ever said to love people, despite them being wrong about things.

The Red Pill wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 2:33 pm Holland... We have seen a "Plague of biblical proportion"

...with a 99.5% survival rate???

BroJones wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 2:22 pm Report - finances only. Church membership and baptisms, not mentioned.

Sister Eubank is being released - effective 1 Aug 2022. As far as I could tell, we were not asked to provide a sustaining vote (just a vote of thanks as she is being released).

mridaho wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 2:37 pm

The Red Pill wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 2:33 pm Holland... We have seen a "Plague of biblical proportion"

...with a 99.5% survival rate???

The plague was the response.

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 2:35 pm

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 2:22 pm

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 1:59 pm

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 1:54 pm

It has never embraced wickedness. It has told people not to hate people, even if they're sinners. People don't seem to be able to understand the difference.

Yes, the Church is embracing wickedness. They wrote a check to an organization that actively promotes abortion. They have taken the word “homosexuality” out of the Handbook. They have given millions of dollars to pro-lgbtq organizations in Utah. They have told members that it’s fine and dandy if they promote gay marriage on social media. Shall I go on?

They give groups money for limited purposes, but you're upset that those groups use other money for other purposes?

You're triggered by the church replacing the word "homosexual" with "same sex"?

They haven't said it's "fine" to promote gay marriage. They've only ever said to love people, despite them being wrong about things.

An Apostle said, in a televised press conference, that members could support gay marriage on social media, and among family and friends, without being in danger of losing their temple recommend. That equals “fine” to me.

https://archive.sltrib.com/article.php? ... type=CMSID

“Mormons free to back gay marriage on social media, LDS apostle reiterates”

largerthanlife2 wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 2:44 pm My son is graduating but he will not be serving a mission. He believes in freedom and guns. Not in masks and clot shots. My nephews are also ditching the missions.

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 2:47 pm

largerthanlife2 wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 2:44 pm My son is graduating but he will not be serving a mission. He believes in freedom and guns. Not in masks and clot shots. My nephews are also ditching the missions.

Cutting off one's nose to spite one's face is popular these days, but just as ineffectual as ever.

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 2:48 pm

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 2:47 pm

largerthanlife2 wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 2:44 pm My son is graduating but he will not be serving a mission. He believes in freedom and guns. Not in masks and clot shots. My nephews are also ditching the missions.

Cutting off one's nose to spite one's face is popular these days, but just as ineffectual as ever.

They are standing for the principles in which they believe. Like freedom and agency.

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 2:50 pm

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 2:48 pm

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 2:47 pm

largerthanlife2 wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 2:44 pm My son is graduating but he will not be serving a mission. He believes in freedom and guns. Not in masks and clot shots. My nephews are also ditching the missions.

Cutting off one's nose to spite one's face is popular these days, but just as ineffectual as ever.

They are standing for the principles in which they believe. Like freedom and agency.

Everyone who cuts off their own nose does so on principle.

mridaho wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 2:37 pm

The Red Pill wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 2:33 pm Holland... We have seen a "Plague of biblical proportion"

...with a 99.5% survival rate???

The plague was the response.