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I would love to see that, and be part of helping with it.Perched Eagle wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 11:20 am How would it be if, after conference weekend, someone posted large, very nicely done posters of grievances a la Martin Luther on various temple square structures? — including the wall if it’s still up — The complaints would align with comments in this thread and our forums.
I hadn't realised that.SempiternalHarbinger wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 11:03 amAnd yet, none in the first presidency served a full-time mission.“Today I reaffirm strongly that the Lord has asked every worthy, able young man to prepare for and serve a mission. … For you young and able sisters, a mission is also a powerful, but optional, opportunity.” -Russell Nelson
They should just say “folks”, like the people they admire.J2 wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 11:07 amNo, not likely. It's an intentional change in language. Note that many of the apostles have also started using this phrase during the last 2 years.CuriousThinker wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 11:07 am Since she speaks more to the sisters of the church maybe it comes naturally to her to just say 'sisters and brothers'.
Oh, you know...the merging of the red and blue polarizations into the unified royal purple (and not just any purple - but ultraviolet). Plus, you gotta have Lucy’s fave color, green, which dominates. And do I detect laurel branches? I’m half joking.
Okay, I can deal with that. So you interpret that as we can peacefully stand for truth? Did he specify that and I missed it? I am sensitive to this topic because I’m seeing so many of my Christian friends be silent and promote love/acceptance/tolerance all day long. They have stopped standing for truth and slowly the opposite has taken effect…they have embraced woke ideologies. A large handful have even changed their belief on the proclamation. I believe Satan is using love/acceptance/peacemaking as his greatest tool against Christianity.Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 11:23 amThe fact that you think those are contradictory is the problem, not Elder Anderson's talk.
He said to be peaceful, full stop. That doesn't need caveats or clarifications.krp435 wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 11:38 amOkay, I can deal with that. So you interpret that as we can peacefully stand for truth? Did he specify that and I missed it? I am sensitive to this topic because I’m seeing so many of my Christian friends be silent and promote love/acceptance/tolerance all day long. They have stopped standing for truth and slowly the opposite has taken effect…they have embraced woke ideologies. A large handful have even changed their belief on the proclamation. I believe Satan is using love/acceptance/peacemaking as his greatest tool against Christianity.Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 11:23 amThe fact that you think those are contradictory is the problem, not Elder Anderson's talk.
Quickest way to shut down a Christian? Tell them they’re unloving.
I defend truth but I do not do it by name calling, ridicule or hatred. However, I’ve been accused of all of those.
He actually did, yes.krp435 wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 11:38 amOkay, I can deal with that. So you interpret that as we can peacefully stand for truth? Did he specify that and I missed it?Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 11:23 amThe fact that you think those are contradictory is the problem, not Elder Anderson's talk.
Doesn't negate some of the other issues with his message.How do we calm the fiery darts? Not by shrinking. We must share with conviction, but void of anger or malice.
Then why do our church leaders join with those promoting anti Christ ideologies?J2 wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 11:42 amHe actually did, yes.krp435 wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 11:38 amOkay, I can deal with that. So you interpret that as we can peacefully stand for truth? Did he specify that and I missed it?Artaxerxes wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 11:23 amThe fact that you think those are contradictory is the problem, not Elder Anderson's talk.
From my notes:
Doesn't negate some of the other issues with his message.How do we calm the fiery darts? Not by shrinking. We must share with conviction, but void of anger or malice.
It is a nod, but only b/c why they changed it as it used to be "brothers and sisters.
This is such a fantastic post. I agree. There was a time I would never dream of getting married outside of the church. I now feel uneasy pursuing a True Blue Latter-day Saint. What they value can and will flip at the drop of a hat if the leaders make a ruling on something and I no longer think those leaders are inspired. I care deeply about a True Blue LDS girl and she was telling me about a dating experience where she was reading scriptures with a guy and he pulled up the Proclamation To The World and he asked her what she thought of it. She said she got quiet and felt turned off on the discussion. That made me drop all interest in her. If you can't have those hard conversations with a devout single LDS person on historical Christian principles and where we are in the world today and what we are facing, I don't know how you get to know them unless you're going to join with them on simply following whatever the church says and evolves on.endlessismyname wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 11:27 am My biggest struggle is that e we seem to have lost the ability to identify our allies and our enemies. Nephi, Moroni, Alma et al never seemed to suffer from that problem…
The woke church members want to eliminate brothers and sisters, and anything like it, because it erases the non-binary folks. So, I guess “all y’all” is a good option. Lol.
Great message from President Eyring. Jesus Christ is the way, the only way. Any other way is foolishness.The Lord has given you, personally, an invitation to come unto Him for peace in this life, and eternal life in the world to come.
I feel similar to you, but also feel like it's important for me to remain within the church as long as I possibly can. The reality is, this is still the Lord's church, regardless of how corrupt its leaders may become. It's better for me to try to remain within my covenants and call out the leaders when they are wrong, than to throw out the baby with the bathwater.BuriedTartaria wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 11:45 amThis is such a fantastic post. I agree. There was a time I would never dream of getting married outside of the church. I now feel uneasy pursuing a True Blue Latter-day Saint. What they value can and will flip at the drop of a hat if the leaders make a ruling on something and I no longer think those leaders are inspired.endlessismyname wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 11:27 am My biggest struggle is that e we seem to have lost the ability to identify our allies and our enemies. Nephi, Moroni, Alma et al never seemed to suffer from that problem…
I know a girl who is not a member of the church and we vibe so well with each other. I respect her and value who she is morally without being a member of the LDS church, and I feel comfort knowing she isn't a member. I would marry her or someone like her in a heartbeat (and this is a huge 180 from where I was 3 years ago) and I would be happy and grateful to not produce more soldiers for the LDS church. I no longer feel security in the LDS institution and I simply don't feel comfortable playing a role in building up that institution anymore.
Maybe the LDS church is true, but I just don't feel that way about it anymore. I want the LDS church to know they lost a tithe paying, Book of Mormon believing (still a believer of it), Law of Chasity following member who was always more than willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on what I perceive to be a lack of prophetic fruits (lack of examples of prophesy, seering, revelating, there should be fruits, there should be something for me to assess).
If they are anything less than they claim to be (PSRs, leading God's Kingdom on Earth) then they have hindered the work and they deserve their undoing.
(as a side note, I made a thread critical to theology in a Mormon break off group and I've been too busy to address replies and direct messages people sent me over it, I will respond next week, just wanted to log in to support this excellent post from Endless)
I totally respect that. I'm not telling anyone to leave. I'm not saying my view is right. It's just my view.J2 wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 11:55 am
I feel similar to you, but also feel like it's important for me to remain within the church as long as I possibly can. The reality is, this is still the Lord's church, regardless of how corrupt its leaders may become. It's better for me to try to remain within my covenants and call out the leaders when they are wrong, than to throw out the baby with the bathwater.
Yes, I thought they were pretty too. And the prayer plant behind, to the right of the speaker seemed appropriate.
