The church, gay marriage, and agenda 2030

[JuneBug12000]

Reading these post I am amazed at the depth of the cynicism and antagonism from the backbiters and murmurer on LDSFF.

Maybe it is because this isn't just "what if" for most of us.

Family who support and claim to be LGBTQA.
Yes.

Friends whose kids discovered they were "gay" on their missions.
Yes. At least 2.

Present for TWO RS meetings taken over by LGBTQ.
Yes
1. The teacher had her former mission companion, inactive, Queer friend "teach" an entire lesson one Sunday. (Luckily the bishop apologized the next week and we had a lesson the the family from the Gospel Principles manual to make up for it. Of course, that bothered the teacher and some other younger RS members.)
2. A woman in RS asked a question about protecting her children from the LGBTQ activities that were happening. She was shouted down, multiple women stood up and moved toward her in a threatening manner. The meeting was ended on the spot, but no verbal offer of support for the woman who was attacked. Luckily, some of us moved toward her to protect her and comfort her. She was so afraid she never came back to RS, only sacrament meeting with her family.

Former "friend" who was kicked out of BYU for attempting to engage in sexual activity with an unreceptive roommate during a BYU sponsored performance group trip. (At least they kicked him out! But that fact that it happened. )
This was the same former "friend" who told me how gay people would signal they were gay, meet up and hold gay mix and mingles at BYU on BYU's dime. And that was like 20 years ago!
Yes.

Ward were bishop, YW leaders, RS President, and more were over the top "in love" with the LGBTQ kids. All praise, no corrections. Bishop even gave a "testimony" about special kids and being nice and accepting.
Yes.

Stake RS President encouraged all leadership to attend Gay Pride Fireside with Ben Schilaty. Pretended it was church sponsored and invited youth using the church's email contacts without their parents knowledge MULTIPLE times.
Yes.

Friend's dad who was branch president, public school teacher, etc. and abusing one of his sons for this whole life. No one knew until the kid was an adult. The dad though he should be given credit for only doing this to one of his sons, not all. He thought it showed self discipline.

Does this make you want to puke and cry yet? To rend your clothes, sit on the ground and put dirt on your head? It does me.

I could go on. And this is just me. Others have their own stories.

Experiences at one ward out of nearly 30,000 is an extraordinarily small sample size (though I have heard of other units within the USA that have gotten quite woke).

My experiences in Mexico:

A father that flat out told me he would beat his son who confessed to him openly that he was gay, until he said he was straight.

The Sunday School teacher straight up saying that Sodom and Gomorrah was because of homosexuality and because of pride.

The Sunday School teacher straight up saying that BYU should go the way of Benemerito, that is, a complete disbandment of the university, after showing him one of the threads here.

Stake President mentioning off-the-cuff that he feels thankful for living in a country where he can still make the remarks he can make about homosexuality, and comparing that with the USA and Canada where that becomes increasingly problematic. Also noted a rumor that after Elder Packer had denied that people were born with same sex attraction, the Church faced a lawsuit unless they changed the words in the subsequent Liahona / Ensign.

Bishop telling me straight up: This is why we will be the new leaders of the Church (the Lamanites) and why you (referring to the Gentiles) will fall. Correction, are falling. We are stalwart in defending the truth. The Gentiles have abdicated that responsibility.

I decided to add more Mexico since it is important for you.

Father in law was an active member and didn't want to be unchristrian when is brother and nephew sexually molested 4 of his sons as children. So they kept visiting. Abuse continued. All 4 boys and their wives and their children suffer to this day from this abuse. Some divorced, some abuse husband to wife. The story above about the BYU performance group member who was kicked out of BYU: his son. Also one of his sons who engaged in homosexual behavior on his mission.

I don't want to add anymore. I am done with this topic right now. It is too much for me to dwell on.

[spiritMan]

Reading these post I am amazed at the depth of the cynicism and antagonism from the backbiters and murmurer on LDSFF.

Maybe it is because this isn't just "what if" for most of us.

Family who support and claim to be LGBTQA.
Yes.

Friends whose kids discovered they were "gay" on their missions.
Yes. At least 2.

Present for TWO RS meetings taken over by LGBTQ.
Yes
1. The teacher had her former mission companion, inactive, Queer friend "teach" an entire lesson one Sunday. (Luckily the bishop apologized the next week and we had a lesson the the family from the Gospel Principles manual to make up for it. Of course, that bothered the teacher and some other younger RS members.)
2. A woman in RS asked a question about protecting her children from the LGBTQ activities that were happening. She was shouted down, multiple women stood up and moved toward her in a threatening manner. The meeting was ended on the spot, but no verbal offer of support for the woman who was attacked. Luckily, some of us moved toward her to protect her and comfort her. She was so afraid she never came back to RS, only sacrament meeting with her family.

Former "friend" who was kicked out of BYU for attempting to engage in sexual activity with an unreceptive roommate during a BYU sponsored performance group trip. (At least they kicked him out! But that fact that it happened. )
This was the same former "friend" who told me how gay people would signal they were gay, meet up and hold gay mix and mingles at BYU on BYU's dime. And that was like 20 years ago!
Yes.

Ward were bishop, YW leaders, RS President, and more were over the top "in love" with the LGBTQ kids. All praise, no corrections. Bishop even gave a "testimony" about special kids and being nice and accepting.
Yes.

Stake RS President encouraged all leadership to attend Gay Pride Fireside with Ben Schilaty. Pretended it was church sponsored and invited youth using the church's email contacts without their parents knowledge MULTIPLE times.
Yes.

Friend's dad who was branch president, public school teacher, etc. and abusing one of his sons for this whole life. No one knew until the kid was an adult. The dad though he should be given credit for only doing this to one of his sons, not all. He thought it showed self discipline.

Does this make you want to puke and cry yet? To rend your clothes, sit on the ground and put dirt on your head? It does me.

I could go on. And this is just me. Others have their own stories.

Experiences at one ward out of nearly 30,000 is an extraordinarily small sample size (though I have heard of other units within the USA that have gotten quite woke).

My experiences in Mexico:

A father that flat out told me he would beat his son who confessed to him openly that he was gay, until he said he was straight.

The Sunday School teacher straight up saying that Sodom and Gomorrah was because of homosexuality and because of pride.

The Sunday School teacher straight up saying that BYU should go the way of Benemerito, that is, a complete disbandment of the university, after showing him one of the threads here.

Stake President mentioning off-the-cuff that he feels thankful for living in a country where he can still make the remarks he can make about homosexuality, and comparing that with the USA and Canada where that becomes increasingly problematic. Also noted a rumor that after Elder Packer had denied that people were born with same sex attraction, the Church faced a lawsuit unless they changed the words in the subsequent Liahona / Ensign.

Bishop telling me straight up: This is why we will be the new leaders of the Church (the Lamanites) and why you (referring to the Gentiles) will fall. Correction, are falling. We are stalwart in defending the truth. The Gentiles have abdicated that responsibility.

Except for beating up of a child all of those examples are fine examples. Maybe the non English speaking parts of the Church will save it.

[Oldemandalton]

Oh, so you're not laughing now. Weird.

You are so naïve to think that the church leaders will one day in the future put their foot down and say "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!"

They have already made their decision when they signed the name of their church into the covenant with death and hell. "Upon my House it will begin".

The only thing they are worried about right now is HOW to make it all happen in a convincing way.

Isaiah 28

15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves

17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.

18 ¶ And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

Nope still laughing LOL

[InfoWarrior82]

Oh, so you're not laughing now. Weird.

You are so naïve to think that the church leaders will one day in the future put their foot down and say "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!"

They have already made their decision when they signed the name of their church into the covenant with death and hell. "Upon my House it will begin".

The only thing they are worried about right now is HOW to make it all happen in a convincing way.

Isaiah 28

15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves

17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.

18 ¶ And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

Nope still laughing LOL

Still laughing that our church leaders made a covenant with satanic United Nations Agenda 2030? Why does this amuse you so much?

[Oldemandalton]

Still laughing that our church leaders made a covenant with satanic United Nations Agenda 2030? Why does this amuse you so much?

That one time faithful members can think the worst of our Prophet and Apostles. The murmuring and backbiting echo chamber here on LDSFF has deluded you into assuming the worst of our leaders, forming fictitious scenarios of the future.

[InfoWarrior82]

Still laughing that our church leaders made a covenant with satanic United Nations Agenda 2030? Why does this amuse you so much?

That one time faithful members can think the worst of our Prophet and Apostles. The murmuring and backbiting echo chamber here on LDSFF has deluded you into assuming the worst of our leaders, forming fictitious scenarios of the future.

Christ commanded you and I to judge a man who claims to be a prophet of God by their fruits. That's literally what I'm doing here. What you are doing is ignoring fruits put forward by these men when they are corrupt.

Is it possible for a good tree to bring forth corrupt fruit? What did Jesus say about this? Still think it's funny?

[Mamabear]

Still laughing that our church leaders made a covenant with satanic United Nations Agenda 2030? Why does this amuse you so much?

That one time faithful members can think the worst of our Prophet and Apostles. The murmuring and backbiting echo chamber here on LDSFF has deluded you into assuming the worst of our leaders, forming fictitious scenarios of the future.

Say what you will and label us….it doesn’t matter. I’m not condemning anyone. I’m just looking at the evidence and signs.
The true holders of the holy Melchizedek priesthood have the power to rebuke any disease, death, illness, part seas, bring fire down from heaven, have faith to perform ANY miracle, etc. Because they literally have the POWER of God in them.

Which makes more sense?
praying for a man made, toxic vaccine for a flu or having faith in God and relying on our bodies by living the word of wisdom?

Forcing mask wearing and taking away agency or preferring to breathe and relying on faith and the right to choose?

What will they do when the true plagues are poured out on the earth? The likes of which we have never seen? Flee to the hills and hide under rocks?
When the plagues arrive do we really have the faith to walk forward? I will try and if I die then so be it.
This life is not the end. We know the plan.

[Oldemandalton]

I’m just looking at the evidence and signs.

This will help.

[Mamabear]

I’m just looking at the evidence and signs.

This will help.

You don't need a microscope to see the elephant in the room. Keep covering your eyes.

[Oldemandalton]

Christ commanded you and I to judge a man who claims to be a prophet of God by their fruits. That's literally what I'm doing here. What you are doing is ignoring fruits put forward by these men when they are corrupt.

Is it possible for a good tree to bring forth corrupt fruit? What did Jesus say about this? Still think it's funny?

When you strain at gnats and repeat it over and over and over again in the LDFF Echo Chamber how do you expect to see any fruits!

[Mamabear]

Watch this hilarious guy:
https://thescoop.us/watch-youtuber-pose ... ing-video/

[Oldemandalton]

[InfoWarrior82]

Christ commanded you and I to judge a man who claims to be a prophet of God by their fruits. That's literally what I'm doing here. What you are doing is ignoring fruits put forward by these men when they are corrupt.

Is it possible for a good tree to bring forth corrupt fruit? What did Jesus say about this? Still think it's funny?

When you strain at gnats and repeat it over and over and over again in the LDFF Echo Chamber how do you expect to see any fruits!

You think joining up with satanic United Nations and pledging to implement Agenda 2030 is "straining at gnats"?????

[Mamabear]

Christ commanded you and I to judge a man who claims to be a prophet of God by their fruits. That's literally what I'm doing here. What you are doing is ignoring fruits put forward by these men when they are corrupt.

Is it possible for a good tree to bring forth corrupt fruit? What did Jesus say about this? Still think it's funny?

When you strain at gnats and repeat it over and over and over again in the LDFF Echo Chamber how do you expect to see any fruits!

You think joining up with satanic United Nations and pledging to implement Agenda 2030 is "straining at gnats"?????

Try elephant in the room.
The un is the beast spoken of in revelation. The Spirit spoke this to me several years ago and I didn’t know why it was relevant but now I do.

[logonbump]

Why are you laughing? The fruit is right there in black and white. Do you not know what Agenda 2030 is?

I disagree. God leads this Church. We have scripture and doctrine to guide us. It only points in one direction.

God doesn't lead the people except when they're obedient to Him; this church stands now only on his Foundation and among the repentant believers. We might have scripture to guide us, but who believes them? Churches teach for doctrines the commandments of men! The Lord's kingdom can easily be rebuilt by Him at the appointed time. Restorations are easier with an existing foundation, as in construction.

Zion is to be built not within the church corporation as presently constituted, as we might suppose. Zion is to be established now in our homes and eventually, entirely, as a result of a new prophetic dispensation.
Great will be fall of the whore, Babylon, and all who come to her for protection and guidance.

Edited for clarity.

[Mamabear]

Why are you laughing? The fruit is right there in black and white. Do you not know what Agenda 2030 is?

I disagree. God leads this Church. We have scripture and doctrine to guide us. It only points in one direction.

God doesn't lead the people except when they're obedient to Him; this church stands now only on his Foundation and among the repentant believers. We might have scripture to guide us, but who believes them? They teach for doctrines the commandments of men! The Lord's kingdom can easily be rebuilt by Him at the appointed time. Restorations are easier with an existing foundation, as in construction.

Zion is to be built not within the church corporation as presently constituted, as we might suppose. Zion is to be established now in our homes and eventually, entirely, as a result of a new prophetic dispensation.
Great will be fall of the whore, Babylon, and all who come to her for protection and guidance.

Amen. And the new prophetic dispensation is laid out in D&C 27…..Those holy prophets mentioned and also others, will unite to gather and build Zion.