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Did the pilot have a clot shot reaction and fall dead onto the wheel to cause a rapid descent?
Posted: March 21st, 2022, 8:40 pm
by Fred
There have been a few heart attacks of flying pilots. There is generally a co-pilot unless he is in the restroom. Today, March 21, 2022, a China Eastern Boeing 737-800 dived into the earth from 21,000 feet. It was dropping at 12,000 feet per minute. It hit the ground hard. Killed all aboard.
There was a similar crash a while back and it was determined that the pilot did it on purpose. At 21,000 feet, a plane can cruise for a long time without power or electricity for controls. A nose dive is not common.
Nobody that I know of is blaming RMN for sending someone for a godsend. But one has to ask the question of is it even safe to fly any more?
Re: Did the pilot have a clot shot reaction and fall dead onto the wheel to cause a rapid descent?
Posted: March 21st, 2022, 9:00 pm
by Artaxerxes
Fred wrote: ↑March 21st, 2022, 8:40 pm
There have been a few heart attacks of flying pilots. There is generally a co-pilot unless he is in the restroom. Today, March 21, 2022, a China Eastern Boeing 737-800 dived into the earth from 21,000 feet. It was dropping at 12,000 feet per minute. It hit the ground hard. Killed all aboard.
There was a similar crash a while back and it was determined that the pilot did it on purpose. At 21,000 feet, a plane can cruise for a long time without power or electricity for controls. A nose dive is not common.
Nobody that I know of is blaming RMN for sending someone for a godsend. But one has to ask the question of is it even safe to fly any more?
"A planed crashed in China!?!?! How can I make this about hating on the Church some more....."
Re: Did the pilot have a clot shot reaction and fall dead onto the wheel to cause a rapid descent?
Posted: March 21st, 2022, 9:16 pm
by Lizzy60
Artaxerxes wrote: ↑March 21st, 2022, 9:00 pm
Fred wrote: ↑March 21st, 2022, 8:40 pm
There have been a few heart attacks of flying pilots. There is generally a co-pilot unless he is in the restroom. Today, March 21, 2022, a China Eastern Boeing 737-800 dived into the earth from 21,000 feet. It was dropping at 12,000 feet per minute. It hit the ground hard. Killed all aboard.
There was a similar crash a while back and it was determined that the pilot did it on purpose. At 21,000 feet, a plane can cruise for a long time without power or electricity for controls. A nose dive is not common.
Nobody that I know of is blaming RMN for sending someone for a godsend. But one has to ask the question of is it even safe to fly any more?
"A planed crashed in China!?!?! How can I make this about hating on the Church some more....."
He actually said that nobody is blaming RMN for this one, but wonders if it’s safe to fly any more.
Re: Did the pilot have a clot shot reaction and fall dead onto the wheel to cause a rapid descent?
Posted: March 21st, 2022, 9:31 pm
by Artaxerxes
Lizzy60 wrote: ↑March 21st, 2022, 9:16 pm
Artaxerxes wrote: ↑March 21st, 2022, 9:00 pm
Fred wrote: ↑March 21st, 2022, 8:40 pm
There have been a few heart attacks of flying pilots. There is generally a co-pilot unless he is in the restroom. Today, March 21, 2022, a China Eastern Boeing 737-800 dived into the earth from 21,000 feet. It was dropping at 12,000 feet per minute. It hit the ground hard. Killed all aboard.
There was a similar crash a while back and it was determined that the pilot did it on purpose. At 21,000 feet, a plane can cruise for a long time without power or electricity for controls. A nose dive is not common.
Nobody that I know of is blaming RMN for sending someone for a godsend. But one has to ask the question of is it even safe to fly any more?
"A planed crashed in China!?!?! How can I make this about hating on the Church some more....."
He actually said that nobody is blaming RMN for this one, but wonders if it’s safe to fly any more.
"I'm not saying it's X, but...." is classically a scoundrel's phrasing to veil their true intentions.
Re: Did the pilot have a clot shot reaction and fall dead onto the wheel to cause a rapid descent?
Posted: March 21st, 2022, 10:03 pm
by Fred
Pilot heart attacks are more common after covid. Southwest Airlines pilots resisted the jab for that very reason. It is too early in this particular investigation to know for sure, but the likelihood is high due to shot mandates. As for RMNs contribution, we know for certain that many people took the jab on his recommendation only. Some of those people are now dead.
Calling the shot a godsend could prove to be a criminal act.
Here are a few recent examples of a pilot that did have a heart attack during flight.
https://www.newsweek.com/pilot-suffers- ... es-1625386
https://www.boston25news.com/video/arch ... 36OO2FUWU/
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/united-ai ... rt-attack/
https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/26/europe/a ... index.html
There are many more...
Re: Did the pilot have a clot shot reaction and fall dead onto the wheel to cause a rapid descent?
Posted: March 22nd, 2022, 2:22 am
by Refraction75
I watched a documentary of a plane crash where the pilot was super depressed and decided to commit suicide while everyone else was on board. The thought of a heart attack never crossed my mind due to complications to a covid vaccine. That thought is scary!
Re: Did the pilot have a clot shot reaction and fall dead onto the wheel to cause a rapid descent?
Posted: March 22nd, 2022, 3:00 am
by gkearney
What ever the cause their remains the fact that there were two pilots aboard that plane and the cause would have to be something that would incapacitate both of them. Some sort of malfunction in the aircraft that both pilots were unable to overcome perhaps.
Re: Did the pilot have a clot shot reaction and fall dead onto the wheel to cause a rapid descent?
Posted: March 22nd, 2022, 5:29 am
by spiritMan
737 Max.
Re: Did the pilot have a clot shot reaction and fall dead onto the wheel to cause a rapid descent?
Posted: March 22nd, 2022, 6:57 am
by Lizzy60
spiritMan wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2022, 5:29 am737 Max.
It wasn’t the Max.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUkSlxcC8Jc
Re: Did the pilot have a clot shot reaction and fall dead onto the wheel to cause a rapid descent?
Posted: March 22nd, 2022, 7:25 am
by Niemand
gkearney wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2022, 3:00 am
What ever the cause their remains the fact that there were two pilots aboard that plane and the cause would have to be something that would incapacitate both of them. Some sort of malfunction in the aircraft that both pilots were unable to overcome perhaps.
Fair point, but one may have been at the other end of the plane or even using the lavatory etc.
Re: Did the pilot have a clot shot reaction and fall dead onto the wheel to cause a rapid descent?
Posted: March 22nd, 2022, 9:50 am
by lundbaek
Is there evidence that many people who took the jab only on the recommendation of President Nelson & Co. only are now dead. I wonder if a death could be verified as caused by a Covid vaccine or booster shot.
Then there is the question of how many people's lives were saved or spared Covid illness by the vaccine. I'm out of my element on this subject, but I wish these questions could be investigated by competent people.
Re: Did the pilot have a clot shot reaction and fall dead onto the wheel to cause a rapid descent?
Posted: March 22nd, 2022, 9:54 am
by InfoWarrior82
lundbaek wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2022, 9:50 am
Is there evidence that many people who took the jab only on the recommendation of President Nelson & Co. only are now dead. I wonder if a death could be verified as caused by a Covid vaccine or booster shot.
You think Mormons aren't dying of the shots?
Re: Did the pilot have a clot shot reaction and fall dead onto the wheel to cause a rapid descent?
Posted: March 22nd, 2022, 10:01 am
by lundbaek
How many Mormons are alive and well now because they did take the shots?
Re: Did the pilot have a clot shot reaction and fall dead onto the wheel to cause a rapid descent?
Posted: March 22nd, 2022, 10:50 am
by Lizzy60
lundbaek wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2022, 10:01 am
How many Mormons are alive and well now because they did take the shots?
https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz ... ing%20News
NEGATIVE EFFICACY.
The shots are worse than ineffective.
Re: Did the pilot have a clot shot reaction and fall dead onto the wheel to cause a rapid descent?
Posted: March 22nd, 2022, 11:42 am
by Artaxerxes
He's cherry picking his data to support his conclusion. The data he's using shows (as even he begrudgingly admits) that triple vaccinated do WAY better than unvaccinated. He wants people to ONLY look at the few old people who are double, but not triple, vaccinated and wants to argue that that's conclusive. That's not how it works. Comparing all vaccinated against all unvaccinated shows that the vaccine is effective (or comparing even the double vaccinated outside the small data he wants people to focus on).
There's always variations in data. That's why it's important to look at all of the data, not just the two datasets that support your conclusion.
Re: Did the pilot have a clot shot reaction and fall dead onto the wheel to cause a rapid descent?
Posted: March 22nd, 2022, 1:13 pm
by Robin Hood
lundbaek wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2022, 10:01 am
How many Mormons are alive and well now because they did take the shots?
Not as many as those who didn't.
Re: Did the pilot have a clot shot reaction and fall dead onto the wheel to cause a rapid descent?
Posted: March 22nd, 2022, 1:45 pm
by Fred
lundbaek wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2022, 9:50 am
Is there evidence that many people who took the jab only on the recommendation of President Nelson & Co. only are now dead. I wonder if a death could be verified as caused by a Covid vaccine or booster shot.
Then there is the question of how many people's lives were saved or spared Covid illness by the vaccine. I'm out of my element on this subject, but I wish these questions could be investigated by competent people.
We know for 100% certainty that the shot does not prevent covid or passing covid. Whether or not the shot reduces symptoms can not be proven. Anyone that makes such a claim is a prevaricator. If one has no symptoms or minor symptoms after getting jabbed, there is absolutely no way to prove that that would not have been the case anyway. Only a person with an incredible lack of morals and an extreme hatred for truth would even make such a claim.
Re: Did the pilot have a clot shot reaction and fall dead onto the wheel to cause a rapid descent?
Posted: March 22nd, 2022, 1:51 pm
by Niemand
Guy in my ward had three jags, still died of Covid. 80 odd. Many others have had reactions as I've pointed out elsewhere.
Triple jabbed sister was isolating for Covid recently. Yours truly had a nasty cough around New Year, but nothing since.
Re: Did the pilot have a clot shot reaction and fall dead onto the wheel to cause a rapid descent?
Posted: March 22nd, 2022, 2:35 pm
by TheDuke
The plane crash had nothing to do with a covid shot. Silly discussion to be had really. there is no health related reason for a commercial airplane to nose dive. Even when Pain Stewart's plane was vacated of O2 and everyone was dead the plane didn't nose dive, in fact, the FAA question was whether or not to knock it out of the sky. Anyone with any common sense knows a little about how airplanes fly and about redundancy on commercial airplanes.
The question was asked if it is safe to fly? Every time you get 5 miles into the sky and every time you reach 500 MPH, you are taking some risk, so there is always some risk, the question is how much? Me, I'm an aviation expert, I worked a life time with aircraft and aircraft systems. I fly w/o hesitation. But, I never fly with Chinese, Indonesian, African airlines, haven't every, long before Maxes or A330's. I'm not saying I wouldn't do it if I had to, I mean really had to, but I would be afraid. There is nothing you can do to avoid safety issues in a corrupt country with corrupt leadership in government and business. And for all the USA &!@$#%$@, that isn't the USA, the opposite in fact, where congress and their minions can find safety related reasons for anything if it is politically useful (Max, Covid, etc...)
There are some real issues with Covid reactions and vaxes, it does not help the cause to make Sh......it like this up, thanks Fred.
Re: Did the pilot have a clot shot reaction and fall dead onto the wheel to cause a rapid descent?
Posted: March 22nd, 2022, 2:40 pm
by Fred
TheDuke wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2022, 2:35 pm
The plane crash had nothing to do with a covid shot. Silly discussion to be had really. there is no health related reason for a commercial airplane to nose dive. Even when Pain Stewart's plane was vacated of O2 and everyone was dead the plane didn't nose dive, in fact, the FAA question was whether or not to knock it out of the sky. Anyone with any common sense knows a little about how airplanes fly and about redundancy on commercial airplanes.
The question was asked if it is safe to fly? Every time you get 5 miles into the sky and every time you reach 500 MPH, you are taking some risk, so there is always some risk, the question is how much? Me, I'm an aviation expert, I worked a life time with aircraft and aircraft systems. I fly w/o hesitation. But, I never fly with Chinese, Indonesian, African airlines, haven't every, long before Maxes or A330's. I'm not saying I wouldn't do it if I had to, I mean really had to, but I would be afraid. There is nothing you can do to avoid safety issues in a corrupt country with corrupt leadership in government and business. And for all the USA whining, that isn't the USA, the opposite in fact, where congress and their minions can find safety related reasons for anything if it is politically useful (Max, Covid, etc...)
There are some real issues with Covid reactions and vaxes, it does not help the cause to make Sh......it like this up, thanks Fred.
Well, Like you said, a nose dive is not common. I said that in the original post. I took flying lessons in a Cessna 150 way back in my teen years. I do know that if you die and fall forward against the wheel, the plane will dive. Now, maybe you have a better explanation as to why a plane might dive?
Sometimes I think you argue just to blow smoke out your arse.
Re: Did the pilot have a clot shot reaction and fall dead onto the wheel to cause a rapid descent?
Posted: March 22nd, 2022, 2:51 pm
by TheDuke
Why it might dive is a good question and worthy of discussion, but relating it to COVID vax doesn't make sense.
There are not too many reasons. As pointed it it could be intentional like 777 over Indonesia or one in Africa 20 years ago or the German Wings A320. Or it could be physical damage, like a bomb, or something that caused control or aero controls. Unlikely in a 737 but in cargo planes unlatched heavy cargo shifting can cause center of gravity shifts and has caused this but like I said, I've never heard of it in a pax plane. It isn't a max, but a major flight control failure could cause it. If that were the case, with redundant controls, it is highly unlikely, but every event has a possibility, but like 10x-12-14th event (10-20 billion hours between events) but possible. Now if maintenance was bad, then anything flight controls is possible, because all safety measures are based on an aircraft that is in a condition where everything (important things anyway) all work.
Re: Did the pilot have a clot shot reaction and fall dead onto the wheel to cause a rapid descent?
Posted: March 22nd, 2022, 3:47 pm
by Fred
TheDuke wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2022, 2:51 pm
Why it might dive is a good question and worthy of discussion, but relating it to COVID vax doesn't make sense.
There are not too many reasons. As pointed it it could be intentional like 777 over Indonesia or one in Africa 20 years ago or the German Wings A320. Or it could be physical damage, like a bomb, or something that caused control or aero controls. Unlikely in a 737 but in cargo planes unlatched heavy cargo shifting can cause center of gravity shifts and has caused this but like I said, I've never heard of it in a pax plane. It isn't a max, but a major flight control failure could cause it. If that were the case, with redundant controls, it is highly unlikely, but every event has a possibility, but like 10x-12-14th event (10-20 billion hours between events) but possible. Now if maintenance was bad, then anything flight controls is possible, because all safety measures are based on an aircraft that is in a condition where everything (important things anyway) all work.
It could have been intentional. Or it could have been a reaction to the vax. The 737 does not use fly by wire, and there is video of an intact plane diving, so something pushed the yoke forward. My first guess is a human. I call it a guess because that is what it is. Same thing as to the why. With young, healthy, athletes falling dead on the field, it is not a stretch to consider the same from a pilot.
Re: Did the pilot have a clot shot reaction and fall dead onto the wheel to cause a rapid descent?
Posted: March 22nd, 2022, 5:18 pm
by Lexew1899
There is a documentary on Boeing talking about the 737 Max planes. Boeing unfortunately seems to have caught the Wall Street stock price bug, and seems more concerned now about making their stock price rise than safety and quality. I wasn’t very surprised it was a Boeing that ended up crashing, though this was an older model. They have become the Pinto of aircraft manufacturing.
Re: Did the pilot have a clot shot reaction and fall dead onto the wheel to cause a rapid descent?
Posted: March 22nd, 2022, 5:24 pm
by Fred
Lexew1899 wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2022, 5:18 pm
There is a documentary on Boeing talking about the 737 Max planes. Boeing unfortunately seems to have caught the Wall Street stock price bug, and seems more concerned now about making their stock price rise than safety and quality. I wasn’t very surprised it was a Boeing that ended up crashing, though this was an older model. They have become the Pinto of aircraft manufacturing.
The 737 MAX had a defective software MCAS that caused the planes to crash. The 737-800 did not ever and does not now use that system. The two are not related. This crash was because the yoke was pushed forward to initiate a dive. It is not known if the human that did this was alive or dead at the time.
Re: Did the pilot have a clot shot reaction and fall dead onto the wheel to cause a rapid descent?
Posted: March 22nd, 2022, 6:12 pm
by AstonishingGrunt
Fred wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2022, 5:24 pm
Lexew1899 wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2022, 5:18 pm
There is a documentary on Boeing talking about the 737 Max planes. Boeing unfortunately seems to have caught the Wall Street stock price bug, and seems more concerned now about making their stock price rise than safety and quality. I wasn’t very surprised it was a Boeing that ended up crashing, though this was an older model. They have become the Pinto of aircraft manufacturing.
The 737 MAX had a defective software MCAS that caused the planes to crash. The 737-800 did not ever and does not now use that system. The two are not related. This crash was because the yoke was pushed forward to initiate a dive. It is not known if the human that did this was alive or dead at the time.
Extant pictures suggest the aircraft was missing its vertical stabilizer. Pretty sure that has nothing to do with a vaccination.