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AstonishingGrunt wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2022, 6:12 pm

Fred wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2022, 5:24 pm

Lexew1899 wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2022, 5:18 pm There is a documentary on Boeing talking about the 737 Max planes. Boeing unfortunately seems to have caught the Wall Street stock price bug, and seems more concerned now about making their stock price rise than safety and quality. I wasn’t very surprised it was a Boeing that ended up crashing, though this was an older model. They have become the Pinto of aircraft manufacturing.

The 737 MAX had a defective software MCAS that caused the planes to crash. The 737-800 did not ever and does not now use that system. The two are not related. This crash was because the yoke was pushed forward to initiate a dive. It is not known if the human that did this was alive or dead at the time.

Extant pictures suggest the aircraft was missing its vertical stabilizer. Pretty sure that has nothing to do with a vaccination.

Yet another adverse reaction of the vax that THEY don't want you to know about.

My first question when a plane crashes is: who was on that plane, who did the deep state want out of their way?

AstonishingGrunt wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2022, 6:12 pm

Fred wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2022, 5:24 pm

Lexew1899 wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2022, 5:18 pm There is a documentary on Boeing talking about the 737 Max planes. Boeing unfortunately seems to have caught the Wall Street stock price bug, and seems more concerned now about making their stock price rise than safety and quality. I wasn’t very surprised it was a Boeing that ended up crashing, though this was an older model. They have become the Pinto of aircraft manufacturing.

The 737 MAX had a defective software MCAS that caused the planes to crash. The 737-800 did not ever and does not now use that system. The two are not related. This crash was because the yoke was pushed forward to initiate a dive. It is not known if the human that did this was alive or dead at the time.

Extant pictures suggest the aircraft was missing its vertical stabilizer. Pretty sure that has nothing to do with a vaccination.

Do you have a link to evidence that claim? Latest report I can find says cause unknown...

This news report from 16 minutes ago says you are wrong...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... s-jet-dove

Investigators have offered no major insights as to why the Boeing Co. 737-800 jet carrying 132 people crashed near Wuzhou in southern China on Monday, saying at a press conference late Tuesday it was too early draw clear conclusions about the cause. All 123 passengers and nine crew are presumed dead.

Well saying the 737's aren't fly by wire, is sort of, at best, partially correct. There are systems that are all electric, such as the dissimilar back up systems, but this isn't a 172 with rudder, elevator, trim tabs all cable driven (or hydraulic) with simple electric flaps. There are flaps, slats, trim maneuvers, etc.. that are a real mix of electric and hydraulic and some backup cables for some finite reaches as well. So, when we start talking complex flight controls it becomes a very complex mix. However, the basic ailerons and rudder are quite conventional if all electrics are shut off.

but, what I read was a descent, then a pull up then a dive. so, it is possible that something went wrong in the cockpit and in the correction, the pilots got a bit handsy and broke off some of the plane, like the A320 in NJ that broke off its rudder. Of course the difference in 737 allows the pilot to determine appropriate amount of response (requiring trained crew) and airbus claims the 320 cannot be put in such a position and the pilot is severely limited..... Age old trade off.

Besides, the vertical stabilizer does not control up and down. That is the elevators. The tail controls yaw.

Still NO evidence or even reason to believe it could even be caused by a vax reaction. Remember this ain't an airbus, you just cannot convulse on one control and not yank on the other (like with additive side sticks). Besides this is domestic China, no reason to believe they had to vax or got the vax, they started COVID and know what it was from the beginning.

Ok Fred ,while technically correct, it doesn't work that way with a jet. the A320 I mentioned in NJ lost just its rudder. due to the cross wind component it rolled and dived into the ground. Now it started below 1000' feet as I recall. But the point is on a jet, if you loose yaw, you get a roll, when you roll more than 60 degrees, you get a dive. I flew F111 in my previous life and we had a huge vertical (one piece) rudder to allow supersonic at 200' AGL at night. Lots of control, but GD build the plane with a single directional actuator (pulled left to right), so when you loose hydraulic pressure, the rudder/vertical stab system would go hard right (or could have been left?) causing an immediate roll, losing life on the right side, the nose drops and you dive vertical to the ground. Try to correct and pull up, you just keep rolling. Was a problem in landing if your tires caught on fire or got hot as hydraulic lines went directly through the main wheel well. Several of my friends died that way. The only option was to punch out, but it had an overweight capsule and ejecting in descent, slow, below 1000' feet was also a risk. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. so, see a wheel well fire on landing, you had a two step checklist. 1. bend over, 2. kiss your @#$ goodbye.

I didn't type "donkey"

TheDuke wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2022, 9:47 pm Well saying the 737's aren't fly by wire, is sort of, at best, partially correct. There are systems that are all electric, such as the dissimilar back up systems, but this isn't a 172 with rudder, elevator, trim tabs all cable driven (or hydraulic) with simple electric flaps. There are flaps, slats, trim maneuvers, etc.. that are a real mix of electric and hydraulic and some backup cables for some finite reaches as well. So, when we start talking complex flight controls it becomes a very complex mix. However, the basic ailerons and rudder are quite conventional if all electrics are shut off.

but, what I read was a descent, then a pull up then a dive. so, it is possible that something went wrong in the cockpit and in the correction, the pilots got a bit handsy and broke off some of the plane, like the A320 in NJ that broke off its rudder. Of course the difference in 737 allows the pilot to determine appropriate amount of response (requiring trained crew) and airbus claims the 320 cannot be put in such a position and the pilot is severely limited..... Age old trade off.

I'm glad you decided to discuss it rationally. I'm still 50/50 with suicide or heart attack. If it was a suicide and the pull-up you account for could be the First Officer attempting to fix it. But in a nose dive the negative g forces would make that pretty difficult. And if it was a suicide, it could still be covid related as many have killed themselves over the mandates and lockdowns and loss of normalcy.

Still Fred, this is China, have you heard of any vax mandates? have you heard of any mask mandates? they concocted the whole covid plandemic thing there to make money and destroy the west. They never fell for their own lies. Even in Wuhan they had an enormous NY party with no lockdowns.

Even then mapping suicide to stress from COVID seems unlikely and not something to lead off with. As i mentioned there have been numerous suicides and other attempts, long before COVID. And if this were the case, my point is it would be some country with restrictions and some country where people didn't want to be compliant, two strikes against China, perhaps US, SA, Canada or somewhere where people are used to freedom and lost it. but not mainland China, do you honestly think anyone in China feels they lost freedom or gained stress from COVID? they never had freedom to loose.

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Foul Play ? Just a thought .
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Government Goons know how to make a plane crash.
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Have you ever seen the movie Shooter ?
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In the movie several innocent people were shot to distract from who the real target was..
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Was there someone on the plane that was the target ?
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I'm not too serious .. just putting it out there

This guy has a channel devoted to analyzing plane crashes. He is also the guy that proved that DB Cooper was from Utah and did it twice. He even interviewed the relatives that confirmed it. Anyway, his opinion is the same as mine. A human pushed the yoke to make the plunge.

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2022, 6:40 pm

AstonishingGrunt wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2022, 6:12 pm

Fred wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2022, 5:24 pm

Lexew1899 wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2022, 5:18 pm There is a documentary on Boeing talking about the 737 Max planes. Boeing unfortunately seems to have caught the Wall Street stock price bug, and seems more concerned now about making their stock price rise than safety and quality. I wasn’t very surprised it was a Boeing that ended up crashing, though this was an older model. They have become the Pinto of aircraft manufacturing.

The 737 MAX had a defective software MCAS that caused the planes to crash. The 737-800 did not ever and does not now use that system. The two are not related. This crash was because the yoke was pushed forward to initiate a dive. It is not known if the human that did this was alive or dead at the time.

Extant pictures suggest the aircraft was missing its vertical stabilizer. Pretty sure that has nothing to do with a vaccination.

Yet another adverse reaction of the vax that THEY don't want you to know about.

Funny, I counted a number of people in my ward who had adverse reactions and one who was hospitalised from it. They're happening, even if you treat them like a joke

Fred wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2022, 9:40 pm

AstonishingGrunt wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2022, 6:12 pm

Fred wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2022, 5:24 pm

Lexew1899 wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2022, 5:18 pm There is a documentary on Boeing talking about the 737 Max planes. Boeing unfortunately seems to have caught the Wall Street stock price bug, and seems more concerned now about making their stock price rise than safety and quality. I wasn’t very surprised it was a Boeing that ended up crashing, though this was an older model. They have become the Pinto of aircraft manufacturing.

The 737 MAX had a defective software MCAS that caused the planes to crash. The 737-800 did not ever and does not now use that system. The two are not related. This crash was because the yoke was pushed forward to initiate a dive. It is not known if the human that did this was alive or dead at the time.

Extant pictures suggest the aircraft was missing its vertical stabilizer. Pretty sure that has nothing to do with a vaccination.

Do you have a link to evidence that claim? Latest report I can find says cause unknown...

This news report from 16 minutes ago says you are wrong...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... s-jet-dove

Investigators have offered no major insights as to why the Boeing Co. 737-800 jet carrying 132 people crashed near Wuzhou in southern China on Monday, saying at a press conference late Tuesday it was too early draw clear conclusions about the cause. All 123 passengers and nine crew are presumed dead.

Turns out you are correct about the vertical stabilizer issue. The picture to which I was referring has been identified as unrelated and taken down. My apologies for spreading incorrect information.

Seems the co-pilot was over 5 times as experienced as the pilot. He was being punished and was pissed off. This video gets into the details and suggests he may have given his final middle finger to his employer.