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krp435 wrote: ↑March 21st, 2022, 9:20 am https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sUbnF4C0z ... e=youtu.be

This is my first post, so I’m not sure if the link above worked or not, but Thomas Wayment (beloved BYU professor) refers to Joseph as effeminate and possibly attracted to boys. I mean he was head of the household (doing Womens work) and obviously he loved fashion with his rainbow coat. Basically, he wouldn’t have been so strong had it been Potiphar seducing him. It starts at minute 14 and goes on and on.
Apparently, later he describes John the beloved and the Savior possibly having a ‘special’ relationship.

Jesus, please come.

krp435 wrote: ↑March 21st, 2022, 9:20 am https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sUbnF4C0z ... e=youtu.be

This is my first post, so I’m not sure if the link above worked or not, but Thomas Wayment (beloved BYU professor) refers to Joseph as effeminate and possibly attracted to boys. I mean he was head of the household (doing Womens work) and obviously he loved fashion with his rainbow coat. Basically, he wouldn’t have been so strong had it been Potiphar seducing him. It starts at minute 14 and goes on and on.
Apparently, later he describes John the beloved and the Savior possibly having a ‘special’ relationship.

Jesus, please come.

The idea of a garment of many colors is an invention. If you look in your Bible every time it mentions many colors the word colors (even in the commentary) is in italics [the word in italics is actually many] because it is put in there by modern editors. It’s found in no ancient source. It’s not a garment of many colors at all. A garment of certain marks is the term that’s used here. We’ll see what it is in a second. “This garment had belonged to Abraham, and it already had a long history.” It’s history was lengthy because it went back to the Garden of Eden, you see. That’s the garment; it’s the only one. Just as we treat the story of Cain and Abel, we trivialize this. We say, “Joseph was the youngest kid, so his father favored him and gave him a pretty garment of many colors.” There is no mention in any ancient source of a garment of many colors. That’s an invention of modern editors trying to explain it. But here it was the garment he gave him. It was the garment of the priesthood. No wonder they were jealous of him, they being the elder brothers and he the younger in the patriarchal line coming down from Abraham. This garment had belonged to Abraham and had come down to Joseph instead of to the other brethren. ((Hugh Nibley, Teachings of the Book of Mormon, vol. 3, 51-52))

Here we have “I detect, I perceive, I note.” (He’s blind, you see.) “the odor, the spirit, the smell of Joseph, if you do not think me out of my head from old age and a bit barmy.” It talks about the spirit that is in it, the east wind that has brought it, etc. And this is a very important thing: “When they placed it upon the face of Jacob, he smelled also the smell of the Garden of Eden. For behold there is not in all the earth another garment that has that smell in it.” This is a unique thing; this is the garment. “For there is not in any other garment on earth of the winds of the garden of Eden, unless it is in this one garment.” So you can see why the brethren were so jealous; it was the garment of the priesthood. The commentator says he recognized that it was Joseph’s garment by feeling it first because it had three marks in it.

What they translate as “coat of many colors” is first ketonet. Our word cotton is related to that. Ketonet is a cotton shirt. The Hebrew is ketonet passim. That means it reached down to his wrists and his ankles. The Hebrew actually tells us that it was of adequate length. A garment which is passim means a long garment which reaches down to the wrists and to the ankles. It’s quite different [from the other story]; there’s no mention of color there of any kind. The Vulgate says it was tunicam polymitam, which means it was worked very subtly with extra threads. Polymitan means “extra thread work, special embroidery, special technique.” The Greek is chitona poikila. Poikilos means “tatooed, embroidered, elaborate work.” A derived term of poikila is “of various colors, with spots or dots.” But it means with marks on something. Here it says he knew it because it had three marks on it. He recognized it from the marks. Of course, they couldn’t have been colored marks because he was blind when he felt the marks. He recognized it as belonging to his son Joseph.

Sirius wrote: ↑March 21st, 2022, 10:13 am He didn't have a "rainbow coat", or even one that was colorful. Try again.

inho wrote: ↑March 21st, 2022, 10:21 am

Sirius wrote: ↑March 21st, 2022, 10:13 am He didn't have a "rainbow coat", or even one that was colorful. Try again.

He actually says that in the video. According to him the Hebrew word should be translated as 'fancy' instead of multicolored.

Sirius wrote: ↑March 21st, 2022, 10:30 am

inho wrote: ↑March 21st, 2022, 10:21 am

Sirius wrote: ↑March 21st, 2022, 10:13 am He didn't have a "rainbow coat", or even one that was colorful. Try again.

He actually says that in the video. According to him the Hebrew word should be translated as 'fancy' instead of multicolored.

I was speaking to the OP

krp435 wrote: ↑March 21st, 2022, 9:20 am https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sUbnF4C0z ... e=youtu.be

This is my first post, so I’m not sure if the link above worked or not, but Thomas Wayment (beloved BYU professor) refers to Joseph as effeminate and possibly attracted to boys. I mean he was head of the household (doing Womens work) and obviously he loved fashion with his rainbow coat. Basically, he wouldn’t have been so strong had it been Potiphar seducing him. It starts at minute 14 and goes on and on.
Apparently, later he describes John the beloved and the Savior possibly having a ‘special’ relationship.

Jesus, please come.

mes5464 wrote: ↑March 21st, 2022, 10:40 am Joseph was not gay.

mahalanobis wrote: ↑March 21st, 2022, 11:16 am If a gay sealings "revelation" were had tomorrow, 80% of the membership under the age of 40 and north of Mexico would cheer and celebrate. 15% would change their opinions and conform to the new "standards" to FTP. What about that last 5%? Regardless of whether they stay or leave, they'll be silent - and therein lies the problem.

krp435 wrote: ↑March 21st, 2022, 9:20 am https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sUbnF4C0z ... e=youtu.be

This is my first post, so I’m not sure if the link above worked or not, but Thomas Wayment (beloved BYU professor) refers to Joseph as effeminate and possibly attracted to boys. I mean he was head of the household (doing Womens work) and obviously he loved fashion with his rainbow coat. Basically, he wouldn’t have been so strong had it been Potiphar seducing him. It starts at minute 14 and goes on and on.
Apparently, later he describes John the beloved and the Savior possibly having a ‘special’ relationship.

Jesus, please come.

mike_rumble wrote: ↑March 21st, 2022, 11:10 am The ultimate goal of those who practice homosexuality and other sexual perversions is to have their "lifestyles" accepted by the followers of Christ. And this is not limited to being accepted by the LDS Church. It has to be all Believers, no matter what Church they belong to. This is their goal because in whatever part of their conscience that still works, they know that what they are doing is wrong, what they are doing is an abomination and what they are doing is condemned by God. In their minds gaining the approval of God's people is equal to getting the approval of God himself. This is why their immorality doesn't stop at same sex marriage. They want everything. One of their favorite tools is to search the Scriptures and find anything they can twist to use as examples of "gay" characters and relationships. Sadly, even some members of the LDS Church are choosing to support such "research". And with every passing year, our Church leaders sit in their seats of authority and say little or nothing about the moral conditions we have to live with.

Genesis 41:
45 And Pharaoh called Joseph’s name Zaphnath-paaneah; and he gave him to wife Asenath the daughter of Poti-pherah priest of On. And Joseph went out over all the land of Egypt.
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50 And unto Joseph were born two sons before the years of famine came, which Asenath the daughter of Poti-pherah priest of On bare unto him.

Genesis 46:
20 And unto Joseph in the land of Egypt were born Manasseh and Ephraim, which Asenath the daughter of Poti-pherah priest of On bare unto him.

HereWeGo wrote: ↑March 21st, 2022, 12:24 pm

mahalanobis wrote: ↑March 21st, 2022, 11:16 am If a gay sealings "revelation" were had tomorrow, 80% of the membership under the age of 40 and north of Mexico would cheer and celebrate. 15% would change their opinions and conform to the new "standards" to FTP. What about that last 5%? Regardless of whether they stay or leave, they'll be silent - and therein lies the problem.

Agreed. When it comes to those over age 50, I think a lot of them will walk away, if not most.