LDS Freedom Forum

krp435 wrote: ↑March 21st, 2022, 9:20 am https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sUbnF4C0z ... e=youtu.be

This is my first post, so I’m not sure if the link above worked or not, but Thomas Wayment (beloved BYU professor) refers to Joseph as effeminate and possibly attracted to boys. I mean he was head of the household (doing Womens work) and obviously he loved fashion with his rainbow coat. Basically, he wouldn’t have been so strong had it been Potiphar seducing him. It starts at minute 14 and goes on and on.
Apparently, later he describes John the beloved and the Savior possibly having a ‘special’ relationship.

Jesus, please come.

BruceRGilbert wrote: ↑March 21st, 2022, 1:37 pm This is what the scriptures say about Joseph:

Genesis 41:
45 And Pharaoh called Joseph’s name Zaphnath-paaneah; and he gave him to wife Asenath the daughter of Poti-pherah priest of On. And Joseph went out over all the land of Egypt.
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50 And unto Joseph were born two sons before the years of famine came, which Asenath the daughter of Poti-pherah priest of On bare unto him.

Genesis 46:
20 And unto Joseph in the land of Egypt were born Manasseh and Ephraim, which Asenath the daughter of Poti-pherah priest of On bare unto him.

krp435 wrote: ↑March 21st, 2022, 9:20 am https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sUbnF4C0z ... e=youtu.be

This is my first post, so I’m not sure if the link above worked or not, but Thomas Wayment (beloved BYU professor) refers to Joseph as effeminate and possibly attracted to boys. I mean he was head of the household (doing Womens work) and obviously he loved fashion with his rainbow coat. Basically, he wouldn’t have been so strong had it been Potiphar seducing him. It starts at minute 14 and goes on and on.
Apparently, later he describes John the beloved and the Savior possibly having a ‘special’ relationship.

Jesus, please come.

Subcomandante wrote: ↑March 21st, 2022, 1:38 pm

HereWeGo wrote: ↑March 21st, 2022, 12:24 pm

mahalanobis wrote: ↑March 21st, 2022, 11:16 am If a gay sealings "revelation" were had tomorrow, 80% of the membership under the age of 40 and north of Mexico would cheer and celebrate. 15% would change their opinions and conform to the new "standards" to FTP. What about that last 5%? Regardless of whether they stay or leave, they'll be silent - and therein lies the problem.

Agreed. When it comes to those over age 50, I think a lot of them will walk away, if not most.

I'm pretty sure most of the members from Latin America, except for the super woke (I would say around TEN percent of them as a maximum), Africa, Asia, and Eastern Europe would likewise separate from the Church.

krp435 wrote: ↑March 21st, 2022, 9:20 am https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sUbnF4C0z ... e=youtu.be

This is my first post, so I’m not sure if the link above worked or not, but Thomas Wayment (beloved BYU professor) refers to Joseph as effeminate and possibly attracted to boys. I mean he was head of the household (doing Womens work) and obviously he loved fashion with his rainbow coat. Basically, he wouldn’t have been so strong had it been Potiphar seducing him. It starts at minute 14 and goes on and on.
Apparently, later he describes John the beloved and the Savior possibly having a ‘special’ relationship.

Jesus, please come.

Apparently, later he describes John the beloved and the Savior possibly having a ‘special’ relationship.

Niemand wrote: ↑March 21st, 2022, 7:16 pm

Apparently, later he describes John the beloved and the Savior possibly having a ‘special’ relationship.

They did, they were close relatives, and their births were interconnected. Maybe he's too blinkered to work out that was their "relationship".

I'm surprised he didn't wheel out David and Jonathan - they're the usual standbys.

mahalanobis wrote: ↑March 21st, 2022, 8:50 pm There is an important element to this that we ought to keep in mind.

The lefty progressives in the church see which way the wind is blowing. They see that they are winning. They full well expect unholy unions to occur in the temples and for them to be considered holy and celebrated. They feel that they need not look further back than the Blacks and the Priesthood to know how this ends. The more sure of it they become, the more they will vocally and publicly advocate for it so that they can be seen as being on the right side of history (or the right side of the ongoing restoration). Why? so they can boldly declare that they knew - that they were in tune - that they were ahead of their time pushing for righteousness before all those bigots. When the dust settles and they've conquered the temples, they tell their war stories with their thousand-mile-stare, then wrap it all up in a facade of feigned humility.

This is the natural outcome of worshiping one's self rather than God, or worshiping the creation rather than the Creator, or worshiping one's world view over doing the will of the Father.

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑March 21st, 2022, 2:23 pm Somebody needs to take copies of the video, and transcripts with highlighted passages, to the BYU President and his board, and also to the Board of Trustees, with the suggestion that if Wayment is not fired, forced to retire, or apologizes for his stupidity, that the Salt Lake Trib will be informed that the Church officially approves his message.

EvanLM wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2022, 11:50 am

Niemand wrote: ↑March 21st, 2022, 7:16 pm

Apparently, later he describes John the beloved and the Savior possibly having a ‘special’ relationship.

They did, they were close relatives, and their births were interconnected. Maybe he's too blinkered to work out that was their "relationship".

I'm surprised he didn't wheel out David and Jonathan - they're the usual standbys.

whaaaaaaat?

mahalanobis wrote: ↑March 21st, 2022, 8:50 pm There is an important element to this that we ought to keep in mind.

The lefty progressives in the church see which way the wind is blowing. They see that they are winning. They full well expect unholy unions to occur in the temples and for them to be considered holy and celebrated. They feel that they need not look further back than the Blacks and the Priesthood to know how this ends. The more sure of it they become, the more they will vocally and publicly advocate for it so that they can be seen as being on the right side of history (or the right side of the ongoing restoration). Why? so they can boldly declare that they knew - that they were in tune - that they were ahead of their time pushing for righteousness before all those bigots. When the dust settles and they've conquered the temples, they tell their war stories with their thousand-mile-stare, then wrap it all up in a facade of feigned humility.

This is the natural outcome of worshiping one's self rather than God, or worshiping the creation rather than the Creator, or worshiping one's world view over doing the will of the Father.

Niemand wrote: ↑March 21st, 2022, 7:16 pm

Apparently, later he describes John the beloved and the Savior possibly having a ‘special’ relationship.

They did, they were close relatives, and their births were interconnected. Maybe he's too blinkered to work out that was their "relationship".

I'm surprised he didn't wheel out David and Jonathan - they're the usual standbys.

spiritMan wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2022, 12:23 pm

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑March 21st, 2022, 2:23 pm Somebody needs to take copies of the video, and transcripts with highlighted passages, to the BYU President and his board, and also to the Board of Trustees, with the suggestion that if Wayment is not fired, forced to retire, or apologizes for his stupidity, that the Salt Lake Trib will be informed that the Church officially approves his message.

Of course the Church endorses this message. I do not understand why members can not get it through their heads (not you specifically, but in general).

The ONLY thing that is "wrong" or "sinful" is homosexual sexual activity in the Church. According to the Church, sure why can't Joseph be "gay". Why can't he be "attracted to children"? He didn't do anything sexual-so he is totally cool.

We are reaping what we have sowed and I hope we get it good and hard.

spiritMan wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2022, 12:27 pm

mahalanobis wrote: ↑March 21st, 2022, 8:50 pm There is an important element to this that we ought to keep in mind.

The lefty progressives in the church see which way the wind is blowing. They see that they are winning. They full well expect unholy unions to occur in the temples and for them to be considered holy and celebrated. They feel that they need not look further back than the Blacks and the Priesthood to know how this ends. The more sure of it they become, the more they will vocally and publicly advocate for it so that they can be seen as being on the right side of history (or the right side of the ongoing restoration). Why? so they can boldly declare that they knew - that they were in tune - that they were ahead of their time pushing for righteousness before all those bigots. When the dust settles and they've conquered the temples, they tell their war stories with their thousand-mile-stare, then wrap it all up in a facade of feigned humility.

This is the natural outcome of worshiping one's self rather than God, or worshiping the creation rather than the Creator, or worshiping one's world view over doing the will of the Father.

It might last for a bit, but destruction always follows this path.

Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall:

TheDuke wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2022, 3:09 pm So, can I get a bit of clarity on the Church's official position on being gay? I don't want Sharon's or Wendy's or such. I do see LGBTQZ infiltrating and it worries me. But, the position that we don't hate the sinner but the sin, which is a change as when I was young we said that but then immediately hated the sinner as well (being in association with), is what I've seen in writing. And, it is not only correct but most likely legally required in the US.

And to those two photos of people and claiming they are a queer as 3 dollar bills is awfully smudge and evil. I see a man on a swing and a boy squeezing another boy. So, could be me, my kids, my grandkids, my neighbors, etc... we always played and frankly I hug much grandsons and granddaughters. If you find that offensive then obviously you have some mental illness issues and should see a competent shrink right away, cause I'm about as far from a fag as anyone you'll ever meet.

However, their are issues here, like people everywhere (including BYU) trying to find gay lifestyles everywhere (except Sodom and Gomorrah) and that is sick as is the ever present press to access gay lifestyles, but the constant pressure to say it is the purpose of LDS leaders seems wrong at least until it is proven right by some formal action).