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ajax wrote: ↑March 19th, 2022, 10:24 pm Domestic enemies are our primary responsibility. Foreign enemies can be mitigated by a non interventionist foreign policy. We have failed at both. Domestic enemies have taken control and foreign enemies are created with every far flung intervention.

ajax wrote: ↑March 19th, 2022, 10:24 pm Domestic enemies are our primary responsibility. Foreign enemies can be mitigated by a non interventionist foreign policy. We have failed at both. Domestic enemies have taken control and foreign enemies are created with every far flung intervention.

Dave62 wrote: ↑March 19th, 2022, 11:17 pm

ajax wrote: ↑March 19th, 2022, 10:24 pm Domestic enemies are our primary responsibility. Foreign enemies can be mitigated by a non interventionist foreign policy. We have failed at both. Domestic enemies have taken control and foreign enemies are created with every far flung intervention.

One of the challenges that has faced the USA is the unmitigated success of the Marshall Plan coupled with the Truman Doctrine. It worked in Germany, Japan, Greece (with strong British support) and finally in Korea. The USA then thought that the 'idea' of American liberalism (true liberalism) could be transposed anywhere. Vietnam, Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan and so on. Now we have Ukraine...

Original_Intent wrote: ↑March 19th, 2022, 10:04 pm I have no illusions about who Putin is. I know he is ex-KGB (are you ever really EX-KGB?) And so far I have only seen a snippet of this documentary, although I will be watching it all tonight.

But even if Putin is a consummate actor, can you see any of our leaders with the gravitas, with the obvious faith in God, and who wryly accepts his own mortality and knows that he is going to have assassination attempts and he essentially puts it in God's hands.

As bad as Putin is, he is nothing compared to the globalists, the "Davos crowd" and their useful idiots in our own and many other governments.

I am sure many of you will disagree with me, but this is a case where "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

Let me be clear - I am NOT against the united States, I am very much in favor of our nation, but I swear enmity against those enemies foreign and DOMESTIC especially those in our government who dishonor the constitution unless they repent.

tmac wrote: ↑March 20th, 2022, 1:00 pm Can you really say much different about U.S. leaders in equivalent positions?

How many deaths have the last five U.S. presidents been responsible for all over the globe? And I guess they're not just acting too?

tmac wrote: ↑March 20th, 2022, 1:00 pm Can you really say much different about U.S. leaders in equivalent positions?

How many deaths have the last five U.S. presidents been responsible for all over the globe? And I guess they're not just acting too?

What is the actual moral high ground? Because I'm not seeing it.

ajax wrote: ↑March 20th, 2022, 1:07 pm They are all mobsters. Sarah just prefers her mobster over the other guys mobster, which simply makes her naive and blind. The blood on the hands of the US mobsters is in the millions over the last 20 yrs.

Sarah wrote: ↑March 20th, 2022, 1:19 pm

tmac wrote: ↑March 20th, 2022, 1:00 pm Can you really say much different about U.S. leaders in equivalent positions?

How many deaths have the last five U.S. presidents been responsible for all over the globe? And I guess they're not just acting too?

What is the actual moral high ground? Because I'm not seeing it.

Did I say the US has any moral high ground? Why does everyone think a criticism of Putin equals a passing over of critique of Western leaders? Why must I always repeat myself in saying that they are all bad guys?

NeveR wrote: ↑March 20th, 2022, 1:35 pm

Sarah wrote: ↑March 20th, 2022, 1:19 pm

tmac wrote: ↑March 20th, 2022, 1:00 pm Can you really say much different about U.S. leaders in equivalent positions?

How many deaths have the last five U.S. presidents been responsible for all over the globe? And I guess they're not just acting too?

What is the actual moral high ground? Because I'm not seeing it.

Did I say the US has any moral high ground? Why does everyone think a criticism of Putin equals a passing over of critique of Western leaders? Why must I always repeat myself in saying that they are all bad guys?

Because you NEVER criticize Western leaders in the specific and always blame everything, even America's obvious sins, on Russia.

* You refuse to admit the US has ever engineered a coup agains a foreign sovereign nation despite overwhelming proof they have done it numerous times.

* You refuse to see our crimes of empire in invading Iraq, Syria, Lydia etc on false pretenses.

* You refuse to admit 9/11 was an inside job (you prob think it was the darn Russians again).

You're actually being extremely disingenuous. You proclaim non-specifically "both sides are bad guys" in hopes of coming over as evenhanded or to avoid having to defend your bias, but when it comes to any specific situation you always push the most extreme official US propaganda line as if you worked for the state department.

That's why

NeveR wrote: ↑March 20th, 2022, 1:35 pm

Sarah wrote: ↑March 20th, 2022, 1:19 pm

tmac wrote: ↑March 20th, 2022, 1:00 pm Can you really say much different about U.S. leaders in equivalent positions?

How many deaths have the last five U.S. presidents been responsible for all over the globe? And I guess they're not just acting too?

What is the actual moral high ground? Because I'm not seeing it.

Did I say the US has any moral high ground? Why does everyone think a criticism of Putin equals a passing over of critique of Western leaders? Why must I always repeat myself in saying that they are all bad guys?

Because you NEVER criticize Western leaders in the specific and always blame everything, even America's obvious sins, on Russia.

* You refuse to admit the US has ever engineered a coup agains a foreign sovereign nation despite overwhelming proof they have done it numerous times.

* You refuse to see our crimes of empire in invading Iraq, Syria, Lydia etc on false pretenses.

* You refuse to admit 9/11 was an inside job (you prob think it was the darn Russians again).

You're actually being extremely disingenuous. You proclaim non-specifically "both sides are bad guys" in hopes of coming over as evenhanded or to avoid having to defend your bias, but when it comes to any specific situation you always push the most extreme official US propaganda line as if you worked for the state department.

That's why

Original_Intent wrote: ↑March 19th, 2022, 10:04 pm I have no illusions about who Putin is. I know he is ex-KGB (are you ever really EX-KGB?) And so far I have only seen a snippet of this documentary, although I will be watching it all tonight.

But even if Putin is a consummate actor, can you see any of our leaders with the gravitas, with the obvious faith in God, and who wryly accepts his own mortality and knows that he is going to have assassination attempts and he essentially puts it in God's hands.

As bad as Putin is, he is nothing compared to the globalists, the "Davos crowd" and their useful idiots in our own and many other governments.

I am sure many of you will disagree with me, but this is a case where "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

Let me be clear - I am NOT against the united States, I am very much in favor of our nation, but I swear enmity against those enemies foreign and DOMESTIC especially those in our government who dishonor the constitution unless they repent.

Sarah wrote: ↑March 20th, 2022, 12:36 pm

Original_Intent wrote: ↑March 19th, 2022, 10:04 pm I have no illusions about who Putin is. I know he is ex-KGB (are you ever really EX-KGB?) And so far I have only seen a snippet of this documentary, although I will be watching it all tonight.

But even if Putin is a consummate actor, can you see any of our leaders with the gravitas, with the obvious faith in God, and who wryly accepts his own mortality and knows that he is going to have assassination attempts and he essentially puts it in God's hands.

As bad as Putin is, he is nothing compared to the globalists, the "Davos crowd" and their useful idiots in our own and many other governments.

I am sure many of you will disagree with me, but this is a case where "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

Let me be clear - I am NOT against the united States, I am very much in favor of our nation, but I swear enmity against those enemies foreign and DOMESTIC especially those in our government who dishonor the constitution unless they repent.

Oh man. To say he is acting is an understatement. He has caused the deaths of 20,000 people in Ukraine, from both sides. How many people died in Georgia, Chechnya, Kazakhstan, and countless other places at their hands. Putin has overseen the killing of thousands in Syria as well. He poisons and imprisons anyone who dares to challenge him. He's simply a mobster who is an expert in deception.

tmac wrote: ↑March 20th, 2022, 1:00 pm Can you really say much different about U.S. leaders in equivalent positions?

How many deaths have the last five U.S. presidents been responsible for all over the globe? And I guess they're not just acting too?

What is the actual moral high ground? Because I'm not seeing it.

Sarah wrote: ↑March 20th, 2022, 1:45 pm

NeveR wrote: ↑March 20th, 2022, 1:35 pm

Sarah wrote: ↑March 20th, 2022, 1:19 pm

tmac wrote: ↑March 20th, 2022, 1:00 pm Can you really say much different about U.S. leaders in equivalent positions?

How many deaths have the last five U.S. presidents been responsible for all over the globe? And I guess they're not just acting too?

What is the actual moral high ground? Because I'm not seeing it.

Did I say the US has any moral high ground? Why does everyone think a criticism of Putin equals a passing over of critique of Western leaders? Why must I always repeat myself in saying that they are all bad guys?

Because you NEVER criticize Western leaders in the specific and always blame everything, even America's obvious sins, on Russia.

* You refuse to admit the US has ever engineered a coup agains a foreign sovereign nation despite overwhelming proof they have done it numerous times.

* You refuse to see our crimes of empire in invading Iraq, Syria, Lydia etc on false pretenses.

* You refuse to admit 9/11 was an inside job (you prob think it was the darn Russians again).

You're actually being extremely disingenuous. You proclaim non-specifically "both sides are bad guys" in hopes of coming over as evenhanded or to avoid having to defend your bias, but when it comes to any specific situation you always push the most extreme official US propaganda line as if you worked for the state department.

That's why

I pointed out that under Trump, we sent some US guys down into Venezuela, so yes I have pointed that one out, and I realize that we've had a part in others. I just think think the people behind the "coup" in Ukraine were actors working for Russia, that's all.

Seriously, why should I have to explain what I believe about every detail in history, to avoid people accusing me of worshiping western media, after I've explained myself a million times? It's like people are so sensitive to any little criticism of Putin, it just sets you all off.

9/11 was a coordinated effort by insiders in the US, Russia, Al Qaeda, and probably Israel as well. They were all working together at the highest levels with that one, at least my opinion.

Lexew1899 wrote: ↑March 20th, 2022, 2:02 pm

tmac wrote: ↑March 20th, 2022, 1:00 pm Can you really say much different about U.S. leaders in equivalent positions?

How many deaths have the last five U.S. presidents been responsible for all over the globe? And I guess they're not just acting too?

What is the actual moral high ground? Because I'm not seeing it.

Watching the PBS show about Putin reminded me of Obama very much. A manufactured celebrity with a team of writers who made his autobiography. Corrupt politician who helped pay off buddies and friends as he rose to power. The Bush's, Clintons, Obamas, etc, all fit the mold of Putin. Perhaps the only thing constraining them here in the US is the Presidential 2 term limit. Otherwise I would expect someone like Obama to make himself president for life, if someone didn't beat him to it first of course.

anonymous91 wrote: ↑March 20th, 2022, 1:56 pm

Sarah wrote: ↑March 20th, 2022, 12:36 pm

Original_Intent wrote: ↑March 19th, 2022, 10:04 pm I have no illusions about who Putin is. I know he is ex-KGB (are you ever really EX-KGB?) And so far I have only seen a snippet of this documentary, although I will be watching it all tonight.

But even if Putin is a consummate actor, can you see any of our leaders with the gravitas, with the obvious faith in God, and who wryly accepts his own mortality and knows that he is going to have assassination attempts and he essentially puts it in God's hands.

As bad as Putin is, he is nothing compared to the globalists, the "Davos crowd" and their useful idiots in our own and many other governments.

I am sure many of you will disagree with me, but this is a case where "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

Let me be clear - I am NOT against the united States, I am very much in favor of our nation, but I swear enmity against those enemies foreign and DOMESTIC especially those in our government who dishonor the constitution unless they repent.

Oh man. To say he is acting is an understatement. He has caused the deaths of 20,000 people in Ukraine, from both sides. How many people died in Georgia, Chechnya, Kazakhstan, and countless other places at their hands. Putin has overseen the killing of thousands in Syria as well. He poisons and imprisons anyone who dares to challenge him. He's simply a mobster who is an expert in deception.

According to certain "News Sources". According to other sources the Ukrainians are claiming that these attacks are not coming from the Russians but coming from Neo-Nazi groups. I've seen multiple reports claiming this, are all of these disinformation campaigns or is this what is really going on?

One thing is for certain, TPTB does not want us to know what is really going on so they are sowing so much confusion that no one has any hope of getting to the truth.

There are sources claiming that there are Bioweapon facilities in Ukraine, though the US claims that these aren't actually bioweapon facilities (really? Like we are supposed to just trust you). By the way, this is after they were caught in several lies claiming that we didn't even have bio facilities in Ukraine. Then they admitted that they did have one, then several. However, they don't contain anything dangerous, then whoops yea they do, but not bioweapons, we just gotta trust them. lol. This went to the UN, and several independent countries suggested sending in independent inspectors to verify these bio labs. US/NATO about had a meltdown and started getting agitated claiming the Russians are lying about the bioweapons lab, so no need to send in independent inspectors. I sense they are trying to hide something.

Not to mention, now that this is out in the open, what do you think will happen to any real bioweapons labs? Do you think they are just going to wait around and wait to get caught with their hands in the cookie jar? No, they are going to actively do everything they can to destroy any evidence that there was ever a bioweapons lab there. Since the US has now claimed that these are just mundane bio labs now, that makes their job easier. All they have to do is destroy any bioweapons-related materials, electronically forward any bioweapons research to other parties outside of Ukraine, then destroy the original data/research. Then Voila, there is no Bioweapons labs, Right?

Then there are stories about money laundering that the elites were funneling through Ukraine. Some people claim that the Russians are going after this information to take these people down. This one is rather funny since this would not be a very intelligent way to acquire such sensitive information that could be completely erased/wiped in just a few minutes. So, as much as I would like this to be true this is just complete nonsense. Potentially this may be true, but we will never know.

There is such a massive mountain of disinformation and misinformation going on right now, the only way you or I could be absolutely certain of anything going on over there is to literally go there ourselves. Since I imagine neither of us is invested enough in this to go all out, we'll likely never know.

I can speculate and read between the lines though, and state that this isn't black and white, this is a very complicated situation. My educated guess is that US and NATO are up to their eyeballs in nefarious activities in Ukraine. I would also dare say that there are certain groups that have been attacking Ukrainians since at least 2014, how prevalent this is would be the question. I would also dare say that the Russian military is for some reason holding back their full force, the reasons currently are unknown, though one can speculate.

The official Media outlets are lying to us constantly and bombarding us with a massive misinformation/disinformation campaign all designed to pound the message US/NATO are the good guys, and Russia/Putin are the bad guys. It's not that simple. If anything, the US government/military are definitely not the good guys, quite the opposite in fact.

It's entertaining to see people expose where the News is getting their supposed "live footage" from. Insanely enough some of it comes from actual movies. Some of the footage has obvious green screens and crisis actors. Some footage is coming from other events around the globe, that happened years ago, but they claim it's Russia blowing something up. Journalism in this Country is as dead as a doornail.

The question we ought to be asking ourselves right now, is what are they (TPTB) trying to hide they don't want the average American to know? Why is the US so determined to try to embroil us in yet another idiotic war?

This feels like a diversion to me, and I sense we are being set up for something. It could just be something I ate though.

EvanLM wrote: ↑March 20th, 2022, 2:08 pm

Sarah wrote: ↑March 20th, 2022, 1:45 pm

NeveR wrote: ↑March 20th, 2022, 1:35 pm

Sarah wrote: ↑March 20th, 2022, 1:19 pm

Did I say the US has any moral high ground? Why does everyone think a criticism of Putin equals a passing over of critique of Western leaders? Why must I always repeat myself in saying that they are all bad guys?

Because you NEVER criticize Western leaders in the specific and always blame everything, even America's obvious sins, on Russia.

* You refuse to admit the US has ever engineered a coup agains a foreign sovereign nation despite overwhelming proof they have done it numerous times.

* You refuse to see our crimes of empire in invading Iraq, Syria, Lydia etc on false pretenses.

* You refuse to admit 9/11 was an inside job (you prob think it was the darn Russians again).

You're actually being extremely disingenuous. You proclaim non-specifically "both sides are bad guys" in hopes of coming over as evenhanded or to avoid having to defend your bias, but when it comes to any specific situation you always push the most extreme official US propaganda line as if you worked for the state department.

That's why

I pointed out that under Trump, we sent some US guys down into Venezuela, so yes I have pointed that one out, and I realize that we've had a part in others. I just think think the people behind the "coup" in Ukraine were actors working for Russia, that's all.

Seriously, why should I have to explain what I believe about every detail in history, to avoid people accusing me of worshiping western media, after I've explained myself a million times? It's like people are so sensitive to any little criticism of Putin, it just sets you all off.

9/11 was a coordinated effort by insiders in the US, Russia, Al Qaeda, and probably Israel as well. They were all working together at the highest levels with that one, at least my opinion.

no, they aren't working together . . .they are vieing for power . . .each others power . . . the only thing that they do not fight is the genocide that is going on in our world using weather weaponization, vaccines, bio weapons and abortion, and anything else they can get their hands on to kill us with . .

they all seem to agree . . . by ignoring this genocide plan . . . that they could all do better with less people on the earth. . .

btw . . . tell me any leaders of these cabals that haven't committed genocide . . .

I am SURE that they did not meet in a big room with all present, but those who came up with the gargantuan genocide plan is not going to be stopped since it would benefit every one of these 3 cabals . . . .to be rid of some of mankind . . . easier to conquer them

furthermore all of the destruction that has been done to this earths' animals and flora is making it plausible that this amount of people could not survive after a few more years . . . if this destruction of our earth continues . . .I mean killing bees, insects, polluting our air, ruining our food supply, etc.

so they wait for each country to implode so they can take their shot at plundering and owning that country . . . they are watching the USA implode without a president and political and social tensions . . . the changing of the Christian era and the constitution. . . and just plain carelessness of citizens . . .

which of the three will win, I ask? when they are done taking all they want from each other and the elite and leaders group, then they will come after the elect of God . . . .at which time they will be turned to ash to be under the elect's feet . .

Sarah wrote: ↑March 20th, 2022, 12:36 pm Oh man. To say he is acting is an understatement. He has caused the deaths of 20,000 people in Ukraine, from both sides. How many people died in Georgia, Chechnya, Kazakhstan, and countless other places at their hands. Putin has overseen the killing of thousands in Syria as well. He poisons and imprisons anyone who dares to challenge him. He's simply a mobster who is an expert in deception.

Niemand wrote: ↑March 20th, 2022, 4:51 pm

Sarah wrote: ↑March 20th, 2022, 12:36 pm Oh man. To say he is acting is an understatement. He has caused the deaths of 20,000 people in Ukraine, from both sides. How many people died in Georgia, Chechnya, Kazakhstan, and countless other places at their hands. Putin has overseen the killing of thousands in Syria as well. He poisons and imprisons anyone who dares to challenge him. He's simply a mobster who is an expert in deception.

That figure is higher than all the Soviet casualties in the Afghan War, that lasted for over ten years and included some brutal fighting, and helped collapse the USSR.

On that basis alone I find that 20,000 figure suspicious. Are we supposed to believe that the fanatics of the Mujahadeen (well equipped from outside) could inflict fewer casualties on a greater number of Soviet military over a longer period?

I take just about everything I hear on this with a pinch of salt. I even saw Zelensky on TV here supposedly on the street when he was in front of an obvious green screen. I wish this was a joke, but we are dealing with a state with the most nukes in the world.( It won't matter much whether you put a Ukrainian flag in your window or on your Facebook profile when we all get fast tracked into the eternities.)