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Sarah wrote: ↑March 20th, 2022, 2:11 pm

anonymous91 wrote: ↑March 20th, 2022, 1:56 pm

Sarah wrote: ↑March 20th, 2022, 12:36 pm

Original_Intent wrote: ↑March 19th, 2022, 10:04 pm I have no illusions about who Putin is. I know he is ex-KGB (are you ever really EX-KGB?) And so far I have only seen a snippet of this documentary, although I will be watching it all tonight.

But even if Putin is a consummate actor, can you see any of our leaders with the gravitas, with the obvious faith in God, and who wryly accepts his own mortality and knows that he is going to have assassination attempts and he essentially puts it in God's hands.

As bad as Putin is, he is nothing compared to the globalists, the "Davos crowd" and their useful idiots in our own and many other governments.

I am sure many of you will disagree with me, but this is a case where "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

Let me be clear - I am NOT against the united States, I am very much in favor of our nation, but I swear enmity against those enemies foreign and DOMESTIC especially those in our government who dishonor the constitution unless they repent.

Oh man. To say he is acting is an understatement. He has caused the deaths of 20,000 people in Ukraine, from both sides. How many people died in Georgia, Chechnya, Kazakhstan, and countless other places at their hands. Putin has overseen the killing of thousands in Syria as well. He poisons and imprisons anyone who dares to challenge him. He's simply a mobster who is an expert in deception.

According to certain "News Sources". According to other sources the Ukrainians are claiming that these attacks are not coming from the Russians but coming from Neo-Nazi groups. I've seen multiple reports claiming this, are all of these disinformation campaigns or is this what is really going on?

One thing is for certain, TPTB does not want us to know what is really going on so they are sowing so much confusion that no one has any hope of getting to the truth.

There are sources claiming that there are Bioweapon facilities in Ukraine, though the US claims that these aren't actually bioweapon facilities (really? Like we are supposed to just trust you). By the way, this is after they were caught in several lies claiming that we didn't even have bio facilities in Ukraine. Then they admitted that they did have one, then several. However, they don't contain anything dangerous, then whoops yea they do, but not bioweapons, we just gotta trust them. lol. This went to the UN, and several independent countries suggested sending in independent inspectors to verify these bio labs. US/NATO about had a meltdown and started getting agitated claiming the Russians are lying about the bioweapons lab, so no need to send in independent inspectors. I sense they are trying to hide something.

Not to mention, now that this is out in the open, what do you think will happen to any real bioweapons labs? Do you think they are just going to wait around and wait to get caught with their hands in the cookie jar? No, they are going to actively do everything they can to destroy any evidence that there was ever a bioweapons lab there. Since the US has now claimed that these are just mundane bio labs now, that makes their job easier. All they have to do is destroy any bioweapons-related materials, electronically forward any bioweapons research to other parties outside of Ukraine, then destroy the original data/research. Then Voila, there is no Bioweapons labs, Right?

Then there are stories about money laundering that the elites were funneling through Ukraine. Some people claim that the Russians are going after this information to take these people down. This one is rather funny since this would not be a very intelligent way to acquire such sensitive information that could be completely erased/wiped in just a few minutes. So, as much as I would like this to be true this is just complete nonsense. Potentially this may be true, but we will never know.

There is such a massive mountain of disinformation and misinformation going on right now, the only way you or I could be absolutely certain of anything going on over there is to literally go there ourselves. Since I imagine neither of us is invested enough in this to go all out, we'll likely never know.

I can speculate and read between the lines though, and state that this isn't black and white, this is a very complicated situation. My educated guess is that US and NATO are up to their eyeballs in nefarious activities in Ukraine. I would also dare say that there are certain groups that have been attacking Ukrainians since at least 2014, how prevalent this is would be the question. I would also dare say that the Russian military is for some reason holding back their full force, the reasons currently are unknown, though one can speculate.

The official Media outlets are lying to us constantly and bombarding us with a massive misinformation/disinformation campaign all designed to pound the message US/NATO are the good guys, and Russia/Putin are the bad guys. It's not that simple. If anything, the US government/military are definitely not the good guys, quite the opposite in fact.

It's entertaining to see people expose where the News is getting their supposed "live footage" from. Insanely enough some of it comes from actual movies. Some of the footage has obvious green screens and crisis actors. Some footage is coming from other events around the globe, that happened years ago, but they claim it's Russia blowing something up. Journalism in this Country is as dead as a doornail.

The question we ought to be asking ourselves right now, is what are they (TPTB) trying to hide they don't want the average American to know? Why is the US so determined to try to embroil us in yet another idiotic war?

This feels like a diversion to me, and I sense we are being set up for something. It could just be something I ate though.

There are people out there "reporting" a lot of stuff. And yes there are people pretending to be Ukrainian sympathizers but they are saboteurs. All these "fake videos" from supposed Ukraine coverage, are people working for Putin's gang, trying to make the Western side look devious. It's really that simple. Those who are out to destroy Ukraine and the West are all working for Putin. Zelenski is one of them. There's probably a few Neo -Nazis as well doing some bad stuff, but to say that they are behind all the death and carnage is ridiculous. Despite the claims that all Western Media has been lying to you about covid, and that means they are all untrustworthy, I would look to a variety of major news organizations from all over the world that have boots on the ground, and can provide interviews of locals, to get a fair idea of what's going on. I like some Indian channels as well.

Indeed we are being set up for something, and that is WW3.

It really isn't that simple. How do you know that these aren't legitimate Ukrainians that went through this? What absolute definitive proof do you have that the rest of us aren't privy to? I am going to assume that you have nothing but speculation, which is just that speculation.

Even if you are in the middle of this if someone is shooting at you, are you going to ask them if they are a Russian or a Neo-Nazi? No, you are going to flee for your life. You aren't going to honestly know who is shooting at you. Who's to say that all of the weapons US/Nato are supplying to Ukraine aren't being used to kill innocent civilians? It's not like this could turn into another ISIS, right? or how about all of the weapons the US left behind in the Afghanistan debacle, but they just forgot that all of those weapons were there for the taking, right? What could possibly go wrong?

The reality is we really don't know what is going on over there. Who's to say, that the reason this is dragging on for so long is that the Russians are trying their hardest to protect the citizens while fighting these Neo-Nazis? Maybe there is another strategy altogether. Without going there, in person, talking to the locals, witnessing with my own eyes I admit I will never know the truth of what is really going on there.

The reality with all of these News networks is they all have angles, and they are all biased. Trying to find out what is really going on through them is pointless. I might as well use a magic 8 ball, it would be just as accurate. True journalism these days is very rare, and even that has its issues. For example, if someone claims they were in Ukraine and saw such and such, how do you corroborate that they are being honest? Yet, these second-hand stories make it on the news all of the time.

My gut feeling on this is that the Russians are right and there are bioweapon labs over there. My guess is there is a lot of stuff going on in Ukraine that TPTB does not want us to be aware of. Whenever there is this much of an effort to gaslight people there is something nefarious going on behind closed doors.

When it comes right down to it, I trust Putin way more than I trust a word coming out of Biden's puppet mouth. The truth of the matter is that our forefathers warned us about getting involved in other countries' businesses generations ago, and we promptly ignored them much to our detriment. Now we have Biden and pals trying to disarm US citizens by trampling even more on our 2nd Amendment rights. He even made some stupid joke about deer in kevlar vests (Head Slap).

History lesson for anyone that isn't aware, the 2nd amendment specifically states "the right to bear arms", the intent was specifically to create local militias capable of fighting and overcoming threats both domestically and foreign, the main intent was never to just hunt deer. To clarify included in the definition of arms at that time were cannons. You think an automatic gun can do a lot of damage, just imagine what a cannon can do in a crowded area. unfortunately, this right has been getting trampled on for many years, to the point where local militias can no longer defend themselves from any enemies (foreign or domestic), thanks to a bunch of political morons like Biden. The latest fiasco was his ban on ghost guns (That have no statistical evidence of killing anyone). Of course, they had to ban ghost guns, they need to know who and where all of the guns are, so they can disarm the citizens eventually.

The reality is that our Constitution is hanging by a thread, about to blow away completely. Our forefathers are probably rolling in their graves. They warned us to protect the US, and to stay out of other countries' business, did we listen? Apparently not, we did just the opposite. We were warned to protect our borders, that isn't happening either. We were warned about Central banking systems, we ignored that too. We even forgot what we ought to have remembered during WWII. One of the main reasons, the US was as resilient as it was during that time, is that we manufactured everything in-house. Now, look at our pathetic country. We are heavily relying on countries' around the world to support our everyday needs and wants. This is complete stupidity, have we learned nothing?

In my opinion, the US as a government/military is among the most wicked countries' on earth. I think we are directly competing with China to see who will win that prize.

Say what you will about Russia, but at least they aren't as evil and perverse as this nation has sadly become. They at least had the sense to put a stop to the whole LGBT agenda and rightfully squash that. Putin has spent years working on stabilizing Russia and making it independent and not reliant on other countries. He managed to raise the living conditions of the country as a whole and continues to make improvements for those that are unemployed. I wish we had someone in charge of this country who would do the same. Instead, we have a complete moron that the rate he is going will leave us all homeless and destitute. Someone who claims that the oil prices are all Russia's fault, what a complete bunch of BS to explain how he is ruining this country's economy through his poor leadership. SMH

Sarah wrote: ↑March 20th, 2022, 5:03 pm

Niemand wrote: ↑March 20th, 2022, 4:51 pm

Sarah wrote: ↑March 20th, 2022, 12:36 pm Oh man. To say he is acting is an understatement. He has caused the deaths of 20,000 people in Ukraine, from both sides. How many people died in Georgia, Chechnya, Kazakhstan, and countless other places at their hands. Putin has overseen the killing of thousands in Syria as well. He poisons and imprisons anyone who dares to challenge him. He's simply a mobster who is an expert in deception.

That figure is higher than all the Soviet casualties in the Afghan War, that lasted for over ten years and included some brutal fighting, and helped collapse the USSR.

On that basis alone I find that 20,000 figure suspicious. Are we supposed to believe that the fanatics of the Mujahadeen (well equipped from outside) could inflict fewer casualties on a greater number of Soviet military over a longer period?

I take just about everything I hear on this with a pinch of salt. I even saw Zelensky on TV here supposedly on the street when he was in front of an obvious green screen. I wish this was a joke, but we are dealing with a state with the most nukes in the world.( It won't matter much whether you put a Ukrainian flag in your window or on your Facebook profile when we all get fast tracked into the eternities.)

Right, I agree that it looks like he is on a green screen. He's just part of the show. And I don't know obviously what the true numbers are. Someone posted in another thread what one estimate was for the last month, and then I was also factoring in that there have been thousands of deaths since 2014.

As I've mentioned elsewhere I've been reading a book called Boys in Zinc recently about Soviet experiences in the Afghan War quoting some veterans of the conflict. It's an excellent book and was denounced by some Russian jingoists.... but it is a reminder of just how nasty Afghanistan was for the Red Arny etc. I just find it fishy that the Red Army could supposedly occupy Afghanistan for years on end and take Kabul with fewer casualties than this brief conflict.

The two Chechen Wars seem to have produced the same kind of casualties as this. Yet again, those appear to have been far nastier. Especially the first Chechen War which was a bloodbath for Russian forces. Muslim forces have a well deserved reputation for being fanatical and willing to fight to the death (jihad gets you into their version of Heaven).

Personally- just a hunch here, I would probably lower the Russian casualty rate (inflated for western consumption), possibly raise the Ukrainian civilian rate (although that too may have been inflated, but is probably high), and definitely raise the Ukrainian military casualties (which will have been lowered by the west - and probably inflated by Russia).