Temple Reopening - No Mask Required

[Reluctant Watchman]

They are simply pretending what they required made sense and was effective.

Exactly. Which is a reprehensible move. Where is the honesty and forthrightness in our leaders? This is terrible modeling.

It is, in the real sense of the word, mental conditioning.

[BroJones]

But - will Q15 wear masks at General Conference 2.5 weeks from now?
We'll see...

This guy probably will:

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[Reluctant Watchman]

But - will Q15 wear masks at General Conference 2.5 weeks from now?
We'll see...

This guy probably will:

Masking anyone, especially children, is evil.

[Egoof]

But - will Q15 wear masks at General Conference 2.5 weeks from now?
We'll see...

This guy probably will:

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I was just elected at the Caucuses here in Utah as a State delegate. I SOOO wish Romney were up for reelection this year so that I could have the privilege of voting against him. Instead I guess I'll content myself with voting in favor of Mike Lee who is actually a great senator.

[Wolfwoman]

Immunize means to render immune. This can be done through 1) having a strong immune system to begin with, 2) having had the virus and building up immunity, or 3) theoretically.... through vaccines.

They don't actually say vaccinated.

good catch . . . I kinda want to just go through the ritual of taking the sacrament without actually taking it since it is such a petri dish of peoples' germs that don't wash their hands or their children's before church . . . which is ok with me . . . ok that people don't wash their hands

.but now that the brethren have shown that the actual covenants can be made with out the physical part then I would prefer to continue sacrament without actually taking it . . .

I have actually stopped taking it during flu season for 20 years now and it makes the bishop of any ward, that I am in, mad . . . I could feel it . . . but I was off the hook as soon as the bretheren decided to not touch hands in the temple . . . . . and tell us it was as if we had touched hands . . .

I am telling you the truth . . no sarcasm . . . wonder how all of those pious bishops feel now . . .

I have gone as much as 5 years without a sinus infection when I don't actually touch the sacrament but participate in the ordinance. . .

Wait... I haven't been to the temple since 2019 I think... Is that what they do now? Dang, I might have to go and check it out now that masks aren't required.

[Wolfwoman]

When they say "immunized", they mean "vaccinated". No chance they meant it any other way. Weird that they're still clinging to that...

[endlessQuestions]

No masks required in our temple today. This means we are officially back to pre Covid worship policies in our area both at church and the temple.

Why don’t I feel like celebrating?

[Dusty Wanderer]

Endless, feels a little like this to me.

[Jashon]

No masks required in our temple today. This means we are officially back to pre Covid worship policies in our area both at church and the temple.

Why don’t I feel like celebrating?

Because we've been manipulated.

[Jashon]

When they say "immunized", they mean "vaccinated". No chance they meant it any other way. Weird that they're still clinging to that...

They chose that word to hide how wrong their 12 Aug 2021 directive was.

Unlike Nephi, they don't delight in plainness. Instead, it would seem, they practice obfuscation.

But behold, we know that they lie unto us. And they tell us these things, and they work many things by their cunning arts that they may deceive our eyes,

[Mamabear]

No masks required in our temple today. This means we are officially back to pre Covid worship policies in our area both at church and the temple.

Why don’t I feel like celebrating?

Maybe because you have learned a lot from the Holy Ghost during this time. I’ve coming to realize the Holy Ghost teaches us things that are hard to face.

[NeveR]

I'm a little disgusted a church leadership supposedly dedicated to standing by the Truth has to resort to pitiful wordplay about 'immunization' to try to appease both the Gads and its own membership.

Why would anyone applaud this Newspeak? It's pure Orwell. Affirming and denying something at the same time

[Wolfwoman]

I'm a little disgusted a church leadership supposedly dedicated to standing by the Truth has to resort to pitiful wordplay about 'immunization' to try to appease both the Gads and its own membership.

Why would anyone applaud this Newspeak? It's pure Orwell. Affirming and denying something at the same time

I don't think they used that word to appease anyone. That's basically the old school way of saying vaccination. Or it has less of a negative connotation actually. But they're all pretty up there in age. That's just the way they speak.

[Sunain]

No masks required in our temple today. This means we are officially back to pre Covid worship policies in our area both at church and the temple.

Why don’t I feel like celebrating?

Because the damage has been done. Closing the temples was closing off the blessing of the temple to the saints when they needed it the most. God will not be mocked, which is what the First Presidency has done.

[madvin]

"The practice of poisoning a person because he is ill is based on erroneous notions of the essential nature of disease." - Herbert Shelton

There is dark history behind vaccines (Beauchamp or Pasteur - Ethel Hume) and (What Really Makes You Ill - Dawn Lester and David Parker). All of this covid hoax is based on the hypothesis of a "germ theory" which has no scientific proof behind it whatsoever.

The fallacy of 'herd immunity', which is so ingrained in the psyche of much of the world is exposed by the statistics which showed that the compulsory smallpox vaccination program in England resulted in a substantially increased incidence of illness and death despite the fact that almost the entire population had been vaccinated." pg 67 of "What Really Makes You Ill". Sounds familiar to today...

"Can one person become immune and another not? The dilemma appears to be fully settled when it is understood that health -full health-is the only reliable opposition to disease; that everything which improves health builds immunity to all disease-building influences." - Dr. John Tilden

There never was COVID. Ever.

[TheDuke]

So, at one point during the plandemic, when the temples reopened, the Lord commanded me to take my wife and be sealed. I was a pretty big miracle in my life as we've now been married 13 years and she was never before ready to accept the concept of eternal marriage have only been a LDS member a few months 20 years ago, before we met. Anyway, It was a wonderful experience and very important for us according to the Lord.

However, I have no intention of attending again for work for the dead. I don't buy into the concept that we can really much affect the status of the deceased and further, that when geneology gets back 100 years or so the records are mostly corrupt (we're already there). and further back extremely unreliable. so, I don't think people are waiting on the other side. I see doing work for the dead, now, before the millennium as just practice and a chance to remember (not renew) our covenants and partake of temple spirit. I've lost most interest in that.

I will attend if live ordinances are to be accomplished for friends and family. I will fight through the darned quiz to get the recommend as along as they accept my honest attempt at answers, but I don't feel I need anything there right now.

[Ciams]

Many were thought to be immunized via vaccination, but evidence showed otherwise. The rates of vaccination hasn't changed much in the last few months but the rates of immunization has changed dramatically as many vaccinated people got COVID and are now immunized. Ergo more people are now immunized.

The thing about FP letters is they generally are pretty factual, and they try to avoid contention. You can read into them what you will, but what I said above is just as true as the pro vaxer who reads their letter and says, vaccine and booster rates are up, so masks come off.

And we all know COVID vaccines have nothing to do with driving down infection rates. New Zealand has sky rocketing case numbers and increasing deaths after opening their country "because immunizations (as they supposed) are up".

[Fred]

Well, one thing the FP might try that they have never tried before is telling the truth. No one on earth has been immunized against covid with a shot. Period. Not even one person. It simply is not possible. Also no one has failed to spread covid because of a shot. Nobody with a brain has ever claimed either of these. Also, it is not possible for a cloth mask to keep a virus out. Not even possible. So every time the Q15 start speaking of immunization or wearing masks, the totally appropriate reply is a very loud "Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire."

[OPMissionary]

Immunize means to render immune. This can be done through 1) having a strong immune system to begin with, 2) having had the virus and building up immunity, or 3) theoretically.... through vaccines.

They don't actually say vaccinated.

Immunized refers to being vaccinated. i.e. you received the immunization. There is nothing "theoretical" about it.

[BroJones]

The actual wording, "Now that more people are immunized," -- FP letter

[Gadianton Slayer]

The actual wording, "Now that more people are immunized," -- FP letter

Do you seriously believe that they are including natural immunity in that? Where was that mentioned when they mandated this shot for the missionaries?

This is a far reach. No matter what those men do, some members will always find a way to justify it. SMH.

[BuriedTartaria]

The church can't control much, they can't even keep a handle on BYU (located in Provo, Utah, of all places). But they can definitely have control over the MTC. And despite the vaccination rate there, covid still ripped through the facility

That vaccine was not effective. I work in healthcare and we just rolled our eyes from October through January when people were coming in with covid symptoms and they would say "well, I'm vaccinated, so I don't think it's covid". I had the pleasure of being with some guy in his 80s who said "this would all be over if everyone would just get the vaccine." What a brainwashed and misled fool

[Reluctant Watchman]

Thinking the FP is referring to #naturalimmunity, when they refer to jab immunity, is horsesh*t
Have a nice day!

[Jashon]

Thinking the FP is referring to #naturalimmunity, when they refer to jab immunity, is horsesh*t
Have a nice day!

Yes, natural immunity would've been in the 12 Aug 21 letter, but it wasn't. The FP wanted everyone jabbed, whether they had natural immunity or not. And the FP would not and will not admit that natural immunity is more efficacious, because progressive and globalist institutions have evilly dismissed the power of natural immunity, and the FP want to be aligned with progressive and globalist institutions, because they're in the ascendancy – the fullness of the progressives and globalists, if you will. So progressivism and globalism are the forces leading the church now, and so influencing active members, save it be that we break free of the mind control.

[Reluctant Watchman]

Thinking the FP is referring to #naturalimmunity, when they refer to jab immunity, is horsesh*t
Have a nice day!

Yes, natural immunity would've been in the 12 Aug 21 letter, but it wasn't. The FP wanted everyone jabbed, whether they had natural immunity or not. And the FP would not and will not admit that natural immunity is more efficacious, because progressive and globalist institutions have evilly dismissed the power of natural immunity, and the FP want to be aligned with progressive and globalist institutions, because they're in the ascendancy – the fullness of the progressives and globalists, if you will. So progressivism and globalism are the forces leading the church now, and so influencing active members, save it be that we break free of the mind control.

There are days when I wonder if it's the other way around. The church may be the ones behind swaying certain movements, especially in Itah.