Temple Reopening - No Mask Required

[JLHPROF]

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... -operation

"We are eager to return the temples to full operation as soon as possible. Now that more people are immunized, we are pleased to announce that temples throughout the world will gradually return to more normal operations, including the elimination of face masks and capacity restrictions."

I wonder if that means putting the ordinances back to pre-Covid format. Probably not.

[crabman]

"Now that more people are immunized, we are pleased to announce..."

sigh....
Immunization has literally nothing to do
with it. The virus has run its natural course, just like every other cold in history

[Jashon]

More people immunized. Gimme a break.

[spiritMan]

More people immunized. Gimme a break.

They just noticed more people weren't putting up with the BS.

The Church is directed by more PR than anything else.

[Gadianton Slayer]

"Thanks for taking down a mandate that shouldn't have been there in the first place! Praise the godsend, we are saved!"

[silverado]

Yay! "Now that more people are immunized", thanks to the good 'follow the prophet' members! :/

[Moroni104]

Immunize means to render immune. This can be done through 1) having a strong immune system to begin with, 2) having had the virus and building up immunity, or 3) theoretically.... through vaccines.

They don't actually say vaccinated.

[endlessQuestions]

"Now that more people are immunized, we are pleased to announce..."

sigh....
Immunization has literally nothing to do
with it. The virus has run its natural course, just like every other cold in history

I think we’ve come to a point where we need to ask our leaders to provide evidence for their statements. I, for one, would be interested to know what threshold we crossed that prompted this change, because I keep track of these numbers and I’ve seen nothing that would lead me to believe a change in the policy was coming. Which may mean, of course, that they’re lying. I’d hate to believe that, but without more specificity I’m afraid I’m not sure what other conclusion to draw.

[Serragon]

The immunization levels are virtually unchanged over the last few months. Everyone who was going to get vaccinated did it months ago.

All temple workers were already vaccinated. Why would the vaccination status of the patrons matter?

Since you can still catch the virus when you have been vaccinated, why would you now remove the mask requirement when you previously stated it was left in place because a high percentage of temple workers were at high risk for serious complications.

Clearly this is not the reason. It is simply a way of trying to justify their idiotic, inconsistent rules while hoping no one digs too deep and notices the truth.

It is all propaganda all the time. Our leaders have been wrong at every step regarding COVID. They have relied on bureaucrats and socialists as their sources of truth instead of the actual data. And it does not appear they have learned any lessons from these mistakes. It appears that they think they got it right.

I think we will get a large helping of back-patting come General Conference with regards to COVID and the temples opening back up. We will be told that this is evidence of President Nelson's prophetic mantle and how blessed we are as a people to have a prophet to guide us while all those other poor Christians were left to their own devices. God has answered our prayers and the temples can now be visited maskless! And to those whose faith resides in the institution, this is exactly how it will be received.

[Cruiserdude]

The immunization levels are virtually unchanged over the last few months. Everyone who was going to get vaccinated did it months ago.

All temple workers were already vaccinated. Why would the vaccination status of the patrons matter?

Since you can still catch the virus when you have been vaccinated, why would you now remove the mask requirement when you previously stated it was left in place because a high percentage of temple workers were at high risk for serious complications.

Clearly this is not the reason. It is simply a way of trying to justify their idiotic, inconsistent rules while hoping no one digs too deep and notices the truth.

It is all propaganda all the time. Our leaders have been wrong at every step regarding COVID. They have relied on bureaucrats and socialists as their sources of truth instead of the actual data. And it does not appear they have learned any lessons from these mistakes. It appears that they think they got it right.

I think we will get a large helping of back-patting come General Conference with regards to COVID and the temples opening back up. We will be told that this is evidence of President Nelson's prophetic mantle and how blessed we are as a people to have a prophet to guide us while all those other poor Christians were left to their own devices. God has answered our prayers and the temples can now be visited maskless! And to those whose faith resides in the institution, this is exactly how it will be received.

Can I get a hallelujah?!

[Serragon]

The immunization levels are virtually unchanged over the last few months. Everyone who was going to get vaccinated did it months ago.

All temple workers were already vaccinated. Why would the vaccination status of the patrons matter?

Since you can still catch the virus when you have been vaccinated, why would you now remove the mask requirement when you previously stated it was left in place because a high percentage of temple workers were at high risk for serious complications.

Clearly this is not the reason. It is simply a way of trying to justify their idiotic, inconsistent rules while hoping no one digs too deep and notices the truth.

It is all propaganda all the time. Our leaders have been wrong at every step regarding COVID. They have relied on bureaucrats and socialists as their sources of truth instead of the actual data. And it does not appear they have learned any lessons from these mistakes. It appears that they think they got it right.

I think we will get a large helping of back-patting come General Conference with regards to COVID and the temples opening back up. We will be told that this is evidence of President Nelson's prophetic mantle and how blessed we are as a people to have a prophet to guide us while all those other poor Christians were left to their own devices. God has answered our prayers and the temples can now be visited maskless! And to those whose faith resides in the institution, this is exactly how it will be received.

Can I get a hallelujah?!

I have heard rumors that there are actually people out there (including my wife) that find this type of sound enjoyable. Thankfully, I listened to it myself so I know that can't possibly be true.

[EvanLM]

Immunize means to render immune. This can be done through 1) having a strong immune system to begin with, 2) having had the virus and building up immunity, or 3) theoretically.... through vaccines.

They don't actually say vaccinated.

good catch . . . I kinda want to just go through the ritual of taking the sacrament without actually taking it since it is such a petri dish of peoples' germs that don't wash their hands or their children's before church . . . which is ok with me . . . ok that people don't wash their hands

.but now that the brethren have shown that the actual covenants can be made with out the physical part then I would prefer to continue sacrament without actually taking it . . .

I have actually stopped taking it during flu season for 20 years now and it makes the bishop of any ward, that I am in, mad . . . I could feel it . . . but I was off the hook as soon as the bretheren decided to not touch hands in the temple . . . . . and tell us it was as if we had touched hands . . .

I am telling you the truth . . no sarcasm . . . wonder how all of those pious bishops feel now . . .

I have gone as much as 5 years without a sinus infection when I don't actually touch the sacrament but participate in the ordinance. . .

[Cruiserdude]

The immunization levels are virtually unchanged over the last few months. Everyone who was going to get vaccinated did it months ago.

All temple workers were already vaccinated. Why would the vaccination status of the patrons matter?

Since you can still catch the virus when you have been vaccinated, why would you now remove the mask requirement when you previously stated it was left in place because a high percentage of temple workers were at high risk for serious complications.

Clearly this is not the reason. It is simply a way of trying to justify their idiotic, inconsistent rules while hoping no one digs too deep and notices the truth.

It is all propaganda all the time. Our leaders have been wrong at every step regarding COVID. They have relied on bureaucrats and socialists as their sources of truth instead of the actual data. And it does not appear they have learned any lessons from these mistakes. It appears that they think they got it right.

I think we will get a large helping of back-patting come General Conference with regards to COVID and the temples opening back up. We will be told that this is evidence of President Nelson's prophetic mantle and how blessed we are as a people to have a prophet to guide us while all those other poor Christians were left to their own devices. God has answered our prayers and the temples can now be visited maskless! And to those whose faith resides in the institution, this is exactly how it will be received.

Can I get a hallelujah?!

I have heard rumors that there are actually people out there (including my wife) that find this type of sound enjoyable. Thankfully, I listened to it myself so I know that can't possibly be true.

I appreciate the laugh among all else going on in this world, hermano

[EvanLM]

the temple attendance and numbers of ordinances performed is in the gutter . . . down, down, down, . . . and yes, the brethren do believe in numbers . . .

[EvanLM]

The immunization levels are virtually unchanged over the last few months. Everyone who was going to get vaccinated did it months ago.

All temple workers were already vaccinated. Why would the vaccination status of the patrons matter?

Since you can still catch the virus when you have been vaccinated, why would you now remove the mask requirement when you previously stated it was left in place because a high percentage of temple workers were at high risk for serious complications.

Clearly this is not the reason. It is simply a way of trying to justify their idiotic, inconsistent rules while hoping no one digs too deep and notices the truth.

It is all propaganda all the time. Our leaders have been wrong at every step regarding COVID. They have relied on bureaucrats and socialists as their sources of truth instead of the actual data. And it does not appear they have learned any lessons from these mistakes. It appears that they think they got it right.

I think we will get a large helping of back-patting come General Conference with regards to COVID and the temples opening back up. We will be told that this is evidence of President Nelson's prophetic mantle and how blessed we are as a people to have a prophet to guide us while all those other poor Christians were left to their own devices. God has answered our prayers and the temples can now be visited maskless! And to those whose faith resides in the institution, this is exactly how it will be received.

as well, I know alot of workers who quit their calling since they refused to be vaccinated and wear a mask . . . or even wear a mask . . . . Temple presidents aren't happy with the situation either . . .

[EvanLM]

gotta love that video . . .proving that church has become a great song . . . that creates emotion . . . coupled with a well directed video . . . great costuming, good looking actors, a little romance, oh yeah . . . kinda like the LDFS videos . . .

my sister used to mock those endowment movies with the quivering lip and all of the romance that was depicted . . . did I say mock . . .yea . . . those movies mocked the sanctity of the ordinance and my sister is proof that it was noticed . . .

[silverado]

Immunize means to render immune. This can be done through 1) having a strong immune system to begin with, 2) having had the virus and building up immunity, or 3) theoretically.... through vaccines.

They don't actually say vaccinated.

You're right. They don't say 'vaccinated'. The dictionary says 'immunized' means 'typically by inoculation', so that is the usual way the word is used. In their letter of Aug 12th, they said "We know that protection from the diseases they (viruses) cause can only be achieved by immunizing a very high percentage of the population" and then urging us to be vaccinated. So when they say 'immunized' people will certainly think they mean 'vaccinated' since that is the common use of the word. IF they meant to include those who had acquired immunity from getting covid, then they could have worded the letter more clearly. Maybe "now that more people have become immune" or "are immune".

[Sunain]

They realized no one was going to the temple with masks and their attendance numbers were terrible.

[Subcomandante]

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... -operation

"We are eager to return the temples to full operation as soon as possible. Now that more people are immunized, we are pleased to announce that temples throughout the world will gradually return to more normal operations, including the elimination of face masks and capacity restrictions."

I wonder if that means putting the ordinances back to pre-Covid format. Probably not.

Immunized doesn't necessarily mean vaccinated. Though many will take it for that.

[silverado]

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... -operation

"We are eager to return the temples to full operation as soon as possible. Now that more people are immunized, we are pleased to announce that temples throughout the world will gradually return to more normal operations, including the elimination of face masks and capacity restrictions."

I wonder if that means putting the ordinances back to pre-Covid format. Probably not.

Immunized doesn't necessarily mean vaccinated. Though many will take it for that.

Yes they will! The January 19, 2021 news release from the Church says, 'The Church has helped immunize nearly 117 million people since 2002' (by vaccine or by exposing them to disease so they could get immunized that way?) and 'The Church urges (people) to be good global citizens and help quell the pandemic by safeguarding themselves and others through immunization.' (through vaccine or through getting and recovering from covid?) and '"We urge members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to protect their own children through immunization". the first Presidency said in 1978.' (Through vaccine or by taking them to a chicken pox or measles party etc, so they get natural immunity?)

[gradles21]

That bridge is burnt

[Fred]

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... -operation

"We are eager to return the temples to full operation as soon as possible. Now that more people are immunized, we are pleased to announce that temples throughout the world will gradually return to more normal operations, including the elimination of face masks and capacity restrictions."

I wonder if that means putting the ordinances back to pre-Covid format. Probably not.

Does anyone in the LDS church newsroom have a brain? The shot does not protect against covid or prevent spreading. It has no known benefit. The one thing for sure that it does is bring one closer to satan. Is this the goal of the LDS church?

[Gadget]

the temple attendance and numbers of ordinances performed is in the gutter . . . down, down, down, . . . and yes, the brethren do believe in numbers . . .

Same with Sunday numbers. I haven't been to church more then 2 times in the last 2 years. I never went to the temple with the mask mandates. Not wearing a muzzle

[Serragon]

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... -operation

"We are eager to return the temples to full operation as soon as possible. Now that more people are immunized, we are pleased to announce that temples throughout the world will gradually return to more normal operations, including the elimination of face masks and capacity restrictions."

I wonder if that means putting the ordinances back to pre-Covid format. Probably not.

Immunized doesn't necessarily mean vaccinated. Though many will take it for that.

Yes they will! The January 19, 2021 news release from the Church says, 'The Church has helped immunize nearly 117 million people since 2002' (by vaccine or by exposing them to disease so they could get immunized that way?) and 'The Church urges (people) to be good global citizens and help quell the pandemic by safeguarding themselves and others through immunization.' (through vaccine or through getting and recovering from covid?) and '"We urge members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to protect their own children through immunization". the first Presidency said in 1978.' (Through vaccine or by taking them to a chicken pox or measles party etc, so they get natural immunity?)

When they say immunized, they mean getting the shots.

In all the communications I have seen from area and stake presidents, I have never once seen them refer to those who have recovered from covid as immunized.

In fact, they have excluded those who have recovered from immunized status whenever they require it for missions, temple work, etc.

Up to this point, the shot is the only thing they have considered valid, and I see nothing to indicate that has changed. They are simply pretending what they required made sense and was effective.

[Jashon]

They are simply pretending what they required made sense and was effective.

Exactly. Which is a reprehensible move. Where is the honesty and forthrightness in our leaders? This is terrible modeling.