So what do you predict LDS Corp will do next?

[Niemand]

When the current crop of octogenarians pass away, the final tendrils of conservativism regarding the gospel will fade away.

Have you listened to Elder Bednar?
It won't be until after his administration and that could be another 20 years.

No... Have you really listened to Bednar? He said religions can help coerce members into taking vaccines and he's pushing the one-world religion.

He also said there was a threat to our religious freedoms.

Maybe he reads Walt Whitman, "Do I contradict myself? / Very well then I contradict myself..."

[The Red Pill]

Since the church literally signed a partnership with the UN....my money is on the climate change agenda.

Last conference Rasband quoted Oaks...who in his talk...wrongly lumped the words "climate change" in with actual scriptural words such as earthquakes, famines and the waves of the sea heaving themselves beyond their bounds.

They are opening the door...I fully expect more of the 2030 agenda from the pulpit.

[gradles21]

Are you being sarcastic?

Was Brad Wilcox (and others before him) being sarcastic when he literally taught this to the youth in the Church?

Was this in the same talk where he embarrassed himself talking about blacks and the priesthood?

Yes. He said that they should ask themselves why boys/men had to be ordained to the PH to enter the temple, while girls/women do not need it. He pretty much said that men have to have PH to be equal to women in this area. I am getting on the road, but I will see if I can find the video or transcript of that part of his talk this evening.

What a dumb thing for him to say. I can't imagine going up to the pulpit and knowingly preaching false doctrine, especially given his calling. Every boy in that audience probably now thinks that girls are better than them, and they heard it from a GA so it has to be true.

[Mamabear]

Since the church literally signed a partnership with the UN....my money is on the climate change agenda.

Last conference Rasband quoted Oaks...who in his talk...wrongly lumped the words "climate change" in with actual scriptural words such as earthquakes, famines and the waves of the sea heaving themselves beyond their bounds.

They are opening the door...I fully expect more of the 2030 agenda from the pulpit.

But but but, they say they aren’t political….
I wonder if there’ll be more talk of racism or reparations:
“I grieve that our Black brothers and sisters the world over are enduring the pains of racism and prejudice. Today I call upon our members everywhere to lead out in abandoning attitudes and actions of prejudice. I plead with you to promote respect for all of God’s children.”
Nelson

Oh wait the politics and reparations already happened when he met with naacp and gave them 10 million. My bad.

In all seriousness, I do agree with you. They will push this UN garbage. Once the reset happens they will spout lies that in order to proceed we will need to follow the new global government; for in this will be “peace and safety and be global citizens” etc.

[Reluctant Watchman]

He also said there was a threat to our religious freedoms.

Maybe he reads Walt Whitman, "Do I contradict myself? / Very well then I contradict myself..."

He may very well have been truthful. Yet most members didn't realize that he and his cohorts are the threat. They are aligning with the NWO agenda.

[BeNotDeceived]

Was Brad Wilcox (and others before him) being sarcastic when he literally taught this to the youth in the Church?

Was this in the same talk where he embarrassed himself talking about blacks and the priesthood?

Yes. He said that they should ask themselves why boys/men had to be ordained to the PH to enter the temple, while girls/women do not need it. He pretty much said that men have to have PH to be equal to women in this area. I am getting on the road, but I will see if I can find the video or transcript of that part of his talk this evening.

What a dumb thing for him to say. I can't imagine going up to the pulpit and knowingly preaching false doctrine, especially given his calling. Every boy in that audience probably now thinks that girls are better than them, and they heard it from a GA so it has to be true.

Or a GA actually got something right.

[Oldemandalton]

Gay sealings?
Women get the priesthood?
Cancel temple mask requirements?

1. Gay sealings will never happen. I believe the "The Family: A Proclamation to the World" will soon be canonized and added to the D & C.

2. Women use the priesthood today and are promised great blessings in the Celestial Kingdom:

“Those women who go on to their exaltation, ruling and reigning with husbands who are kings and priests, will themselves be queens and priestesses. They will hold positions of power, authority, and preferment in eternity.” Elder Bruce R. McConkie.

3. Mask requirements will end soon. However, many elderly patrons will probably continue the practice on a voluntarily basis.

[tribrac]

It sounds like identity politics to me. Those in charge keep the people divided and confused by focusing on differences. The group whose support is needed most (at any moment) is told they are special.

What little bit of critical thought and debate that comes up is directed at the other groups, never towards the people in charge.

[Reluctant Watchman]

Gay sealings?
Women get the priesthood?
Cancel temple mask requirements?

1. Gay sealings will never happen. I believe the "The Family: A Proclamation to the World" will soon be canonized and added to the D & C.

2. Women use the priesthood today and are promised great blessings in the Celestial Kingdom:

“Those women who go on to their exaltation, ruling and reigning with husbands who are kings and priests, will themselves be queens and priestesses. They will hold positions of power, authority, and preferment in eternity.” Elder Bruce R. McConkie.

3. Mask requirements will end soon. However, many elderly patrons will probably continue the practice on a voluntarily basis.

[Serragon]

The church likes to ease into things. They also like to make changes without telling the members anything has changed.

I think that you will see a change in the near future to allow young women to help pass the sacrament as part of the incremental move to give women the priesthood. When women are given the priesthood, it will be a new order with stewardship over charity and preparedness.

You will see a change in the near future to honor legal Same sex marriages. This means that married same sex couples will no longer be considered to be fornicating. This is the next step on incremental path to accepting SSM in all facets.

I predict that in the near future, a new initiative will begin where church members are encouraged to donate a certain number of hours each week for a charity listed in the Just Serve app. These charities are almost all large corporations and are almost all Big Reset affiliated. This new initiative will inundate all of our meetings, talks, social media, etc. The church will begin keeping statistics on ward participation much like they do with Family Search.

[TheDuke]

Just as a note from OP (3) they announced here in the darkwest that masks are now optional in the temple and more people can be crammed in the rooms, but still you have to reserve as seat.

[tribrac]

The church likes to ease into things. They also like to make changes without telling the members anything has changed.

I think that you will see a change in the near future to allow young women to help pass the sacrament as part of the incremental move to give women the priesthood. When women are given the priesthood, it will be a new order with stewardship over charity and preparedness.

You will see a change in the near future to honor legal Same sex marriages. This means that married same sex couples will no longer be considered to be fornicating. This is the next step on incremental path to accepting SSM in all facets.

I predict that in the near future, a new initiative will begin where church members are encouraged to donate a certain number of hours each week for a charity listed in the Just Serve app. These charities are almost all large corporations and are almost all Big Reset affiliated. This new initiative will inundate all of our meetings, talks, social media, etc. The church will begin keeping statistics on ward participation much like they do with Family Search.

None of that seems out of reach.

I expect big news on women at that special womens conference they are having after announcing there would be no more womens conferences.

Probably women called to presidencies will be ordained rather than set apart.

[BuriedTartaria]

Gay sealings?
Women get the priesthood?
Cancel temple mask requirements?

1. Gay sealings will never happen. I believe the "The Family: A Proclamation to the World" will soon be canonized and added to the D & C.

That would take bravery rarely seen by organizations. If they did that, I’d give credit where credit is due

Unfortunately, I don’t see it happening

[Oldemandalton]

That would take bravery rarely seen by organizations. If they did that, I’d give credit where credit is due

Unfortunately, I don’t see it happening

I don't see anyone reversing or even contemplating undoing the Family Proclamation any time soon.

[Serragon]

Gay sealings?
Women get the priesthood?
Cancel temple mask requirements?

1. Gay sealings will never happen. I believe the "The Family: A Proclamation to the World" will soon be canonized and added to the D & C.

That would take bravery rarely seen by organizations. If they did that, I’d give credit where credit is due

Unfortunately, I don’t see it happening

We are much more likely to receive a new proclamation that uses more inclusive language than we are to have the current proclamation cannonized.

But I do think this belief of Oldemandalton is illustrative of many his age. They still believe this is the same church they served and sacrificed for in the 80s and 90s.

They think that because the institutions and titles are still the same, the church is the same. They rarely check to see if the direction we are heading is still the same. And if they do notice a change in direction, it is excused as necessary to avoid a storm and we will be right back on course as soon as it is over. Hence the belief that somehow a 25 year old document that is considered bigoted by most of the current leaders in the church will be cannonized.

[HereWeGo]

Men are given the priesthood to bring them up to the level of women.

Are you being sarcastic?

I'm serious. I believe it and have heard GA level people say the same thing. I am a guy and hope to get to be as Christlike as my wife.

[Reluctant Watchman]

Just as a note from OP (3) they announced here in the darkwest that masks are now optional in the temple and more people can be crammed in the rooms, but still you have to reserve as seat.

Are they still doing proxy work for the living?

[gradles21]

Men are given the priesthood to bring them up to the level of women.

Are you being sarcastic?

I'm serious. I believe it and have heard GA level people say the same thing. I am a guy and hope to get to be as Christlike as my wife.

It's false doctrine plain and simple, which is why they will never back up this statement with scripture. Women are not at a higher level than men, and vice versa. No amount of simping will change this.

[HereWeGo]

But I do think this belief of Oldemandalton is illustrative of many his age. They still believe this is the same church they served and sacrificed for in the 80s and 90s.

They think that because the institutions and titles are still the same, the church is the same. They rarely check to see if the direction we are heading is still the same. And if they do notice a change in direction, it is excused as necessary to avoid a storm and we will be right back on course as soon as it is over. Hence the belief that somehow a 25 year old document that is considered bigoted by most of the current leaders in the church will be cannonized.

Spot on. I am 71 and everyone that I know in my age range cannot allow themselves to consider that the Church is changing as much as it is. I point things out to friends and they usually admit that they see it. But they cannot make the leap to question what is going on. "I can't have been wrong all this time!". It would require admitting to themselves that the teachings have changed and the church is no longer the one that they grew up in. What does that mean about all of the service that they gave to the Church for decades? I think that can be terrifying to someone who is in their 60s, 70s, 80s and up. They may consider themselves too old to make life changes and, therefore, choose to remain comfortable in their "Church" easy chairs. The problem is they had a testimony that "the Church is true" which means little more than "I know that Microsoft is true!". In order to stand in these last days, people will need a testimony of Christ, the BoM, Joseph Smith, etc and not that a corporation is true.

[HereWeGo]

Men are given the priesthood to bring them up to the level of women.

Are you being sarcastic?

I'm serious. I believe it and have heard GA level people say the same thing. I am a guy and hope to get to be as Christlike as my wife.

It's false doctrine plain and simple, which is why they will never back up this statement with scripture. Women are not at a higher level than men, and vice versa. No amount of simping will change this.

Perhaps I should clarify this. I think that, generally, a good woman starts out better than a good man. I think that a bad woman starts out worse than a bad man. I haven't known a lot of bad women so my observation on this could be flawed. I just know that when it comes to Christlike qualities (unconditional love, kindness, service etc.) women seem to start out on a higher plane than guys. Guys can learn to get up to that level but it is not something that comes very easy.

[Rubicon]

The Church has recently retrenched and doubled down on gay issues at BYU (a good thing). I don't think the Proclamation will be canonized, but I also don't think wholesale major changes are in the offing right now. I expect the upcoming general conference to be boring and vanilla, with no changes or drama. I think the big focus is going to be getting the Church back to normal after the shutdown and restrictions. No boat-rocking.

I think everyone knows that "de-criminalizing" elements of the law of chastity (not just gay issues) will forever negatively impact the Church not just from resignations, but a loss of commitment and enthusiasm). So, gay marriage or removal of homosexuality from the LoC is out.

President Oaks effectively painted women ordination into a corner with his "women serve with priesthood authority, but don't hold priesthood office" (which I think he made up out of whole cloth, but it effectively ends the issue). No further action needed --- including letting girls pass the sacrament.

https://thesilverplates.com/2021/04/20/ ... zPEKCMKsr0

[HereWeGo]

There is no such thing as priesthood office. There is priesthood and there is callings.

[HereWeGo]

Double post.

[Rubicon]

There is no such thing as priesthood office. There is priesthood and there is callings.

Sure there is. Why else would D&C delineate the offices of deacon, teacher, priest, elder, bishop, high priest, etc. ?

[sandman45]

They will go along the WEF plans for the global economic sustainable development.

It’s already laid out in plain view if you want to know what’s next.