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I never cease to be amazed how badly informed a lot of people are. I've just had someone tell me "all countries have nuclear weapons", after I pointed out Russia has nukes.* How do you deal with these people?

It gets even worse when it comes to other subjects. If I started discussing the World Economic Forum with these people, they'd assume I was making it up, mad or switch off. Fourth Industrial Revolution, and either the same, or they'd misunderstand it, and say, "But we're doing that already."

(* If you're wondering the real figure, it's supposedly nine - Russia and the USA, followed by PR China, UK, France, Pakistan, India, Israel and North Korea. I don't know how accurate the figures of total nukes are in the diagram. I'm amazed China has so few. For what it's worth, I suspect the American ones are more accurate and better built, just Russia has a lot of them.)

This is indeed frustrating.
We believe not only that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but also that all opinions have equal value, regardless of how ill-informed they are.
God help us repent.

The majority of them are democrats.

This can be seen by the ratio of left/right leaning radio talk shows.

Wow, Russia and the US have a lot more nuclear fire power than other places

Original_Intent wrote: ↑March 13th, 2022, 9:50 am This is indeed frustrating.
We believe not only that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but also that all opinions have equal value, regardless of how ill-informed they are.
God help us repent.

This is why our founding fathers wanted to limit voting to those informed and capable of understanding the issues.

Many current voters are like the student who never studied on a multiple choice test...just picking one...clueless, ignorant and very easily manipulated by fraudsters and lying grifters.

Our current aweful situation proves this. Yes...many dim-bulbs out there.

I have definitely felt similarly frustrated. Yet, I have also been humbly schooled about some things I was unaware of. Works in progress.

What is most damming - in the sense of holding someone back from learning & thereby being more harmful - is a bad mix of pride and ignorance. If one is competent, then humility is less necessary. If one is humble, then they’re teachable. But to be proud AND ignorant is pretty lost.

Also, “all are ignorant - only on different subjects.” In a series, Sherlock Holmes is extremely brilliant in solving cases but is ignorant about basic astronomy - justifying his ignorance saying “astronomy is less useful knowledge so why pay attention to it?” The word, intelligence - root meaning is “to choose between” - a constant challenge.

On what is more important to focus?

I’m less worried about low information people than I am low intelligence people.

The glory of God is intelligence.

Lucifer is a high information, low intelligence individual.

This is very disjointed, but I’m too tired to be precise. I’m sure you get the idea.

endlessismyname wrote: ↑March 13th, 2022, 10:41 am I’m less worried about low information people than I am low intelligence people.

The glory of God is intelligence.

Lucifer is a high information, low intelligence individual.

This is very disjointed, but I’m too tired to be precise. I’m sure you get the idea.

Intelligence is truth and light. Your post explains exactly how Lucifer has the truth but not the light. Even the devils believe.

There are many in possession of lots of information that are completely lacking the light portion. Always learning but never coming to a knowledge.

The Red Pill wrote: ↑March 13th, 2022, 10:16 am

Original_Intent wrote: ↑March 13th, 2022, 9:50 am This is indeed frustrating.
We believe not only that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but also that all opinions have equal value, regardless of how ill-informed they are.
God help us repent.

This is why our founding fathers wanted to limit voting to those informed and capable of understanding the issues.

Many current voters are like the student who never studied on a multiple choice test...just picking one...clueless, ignorant and very easily manipulated by fraudsters and lying grifters.

Our current aweful situation proves this. Yes...many dim-bulbs out there.

Well, it's not like we're given legitimate choices at the polls anymore. The lesser of two evils is still evil. Unless there's a good to vote for why bother?

Thinker wrote: ↑March 13th, 2022, 10:32 am I have definitely felt similarly frustrated. Yet, I have also been humbly schooled about some things I was unaware of. Works in progress.

What is most damming - in the sense of holding someone back from learning & thereby being more harmful - is a bad mix of pride and ignorance. If one is competent, then humility is less necessary. If one is humble, then they’re teachable. But to be proud AND ignorant is pretty lost.

Also, “all are ignorant - only on different subjects.” In a series, Sherlock Holmes is extremely brilliant in solving cases but is ignorant about basic astronomy - justifying his ignorance saying “astronomy is less useful knowledge so why pay attention to it?” The word, intelligence - root meaning is “to choose between” - a constant challenge.

On what is more important to focus?

As usual, I love how you put this, Thinker.

We must remember that the "Low information people" are being intentionally kept that way. Opposing voices to the narrative are de-platformed, "fact" checked, and uniformly ridiculed by the mainstream media. I was on the wrong side of covid for the first 2-3 months. I am the type that I try to keep an open mind and be willing to change my mind as I discover new information. I am not a humble person, as I should be, but I do realize that I very likely don't have all the facts on ANYTHING. Not out of humility, but simply learning that the more that I know, always makes me aware of even more that I don't know, and then add the things that I don't know that I don't know (which is probably a billion times more than what I know I don't know) and it does put one in one's place.

It is very frustrating to see your way of life being destroyed by well-intentioned but uninformed people. They have been conditioned to not dig deeper, and to feel very righteously convinced of their positions. And many of us that may be better informed tend to lack good communication skills, and rather than being helpful come off as "know-it-alls" that are basically telling the majority that they are idiots. A difficult conundrum. May God help us.

Focus seems primarily based on self-interest.

How many people know about all the UK & US Pacific “territories” where people were kicked off their land to do nuclear bomb testing - & made many sick from nuclear fallout and radiation poisoning. Admittedly, I didn’t realize this until recently.

I have a lot to learn, like how might season & winds affect nuclear fallout…

”Or, a nuclear blast, like when a single, and very small, above ground
Chinese nuclear test explosion on December 28, 1966 resulted in the
fallout cloud covering most of the United States a few days later, as
depicted in this now declassified Map 'B' below.”

That may be a good example of why it’s good to expand scope of focus.

Niemand wrote: ↑March 13th, 2022, 9:15 am I never cease to be amazed how badly informed a lot of people are. I've just had someone tell me "all countries have nuclear weapons", after I pointed out Russia has nukes.* How do you deal with these people?

It gets even worse when it comes to other subjects. If I started discussing the World Economic Forum with these people, they'd assume I was making it up, mad or switch off. Fourth Industrial Revolution, and either the same, or they'd misunderstand it, and say, "But we're doing that already."

(* If you're wondering the real figure, it's supposedly nine - Russia and the USA, followed by PR China, UK, France, Pakistan, India, Israel and North Korea. I don't know how accurate the figures of total nukes are in the diagram. I'm amazed China has so few. For what it's worth, I suspect the American ones are more accurate and better built, just Russia has a lot of them.)

The deceiving part of the chart as well is it doesn't even list nuclear capable countries like Canada which was part of the Manhattan Project or countries like Israel that *have* nukes.

People don't seem to want to learn anymore.

endlessismyname wrote: ↑March 13th, 2022, 10:41 am Lucifer is a high information, low intelligence individual.

He is definitely not a low intelligence individual. He is very charismatic, cunning, manipulative, deceiving, highly intelligence, powerful (in his own domain), and a tempter. He was second only to Jesus in influence as a third part (and more), followed him. He's one smart cookie. Evil people are also often very smart.

Sunain wrote: ↑March 13th, 2022, 11:11 am

endlessismyname wrote: ↑March 13th, 2022, 10:41 am Lucifer is a high information, low intelligence individual.

He is definitely not a low intelligence individual. He is very charismatic, cunning, manipulative, deceiving, highly intelligence, powerful (in his own domain), and a tempter. He was second only to Jesus in influence as a third part (and more), followed him.

He thinks he will defeat God. Low intelligence. Influence != Intelligence

But I hear what you’re saying, and it’s an interesting conversation worth having. I don’t pretend to have all the answers regarding this… it’s something I’ve been prompted to study the last couple weeks, so I’m still in my intellectual infancy on the topic.

Sunain wrote: ↑March 13th, 2022, 11:08 am

Niemand wrote: ↑March 13th, 2022, 9:15 am I never cease to be amazed how badly informed a lot of people are. I've just had someone tell me "all countries have nuclear weapons", after I pointed out Russia has nukes.* How do you deal with these people?

It gets even worse when it comes to other subjects. If I started discussing the World Economic Forum with these people, they'd assume I was making it up, mad or switch off. Fourth Industrial Revolution, and either the same, or they'd misunderstand it, and say, "But we're doing that already."

(* If you're wondering the real figure, it's supposedly nine - Russia and the USA, followed by PR China, UK, France, Pakistan, India, Israel and North Korea. I don't know how accurate the figures of total nukes are in the diagram. I'm amazed China has so few. For what it's worth, I suspect the American ones are more accurate and better built, just Russia has a lot of them.)

The deceiving part of the chart as well is it doesn't even list nuclear capable countries like Canada which was part of the Manhattan Project or countries like Israel that *have* nukes.

People don't seem to want to learn anymore.

Israel's on there. But yes, there are countries like Canada, Iran, South Africa, Brazil, Japan, Australia and others that would have the capability of developing them, but haven't for various reasons.

Sunain wrote: ↑March 13th, 2022, 11:08 am

Niemand wrote: ↑March 13th, 2022, 9:15 am I never cease to be amazed how badly informed a lot of people are. I've just had someone tell me "all countries have nuclear weapons", after I pointed out Russia has nukes.* How do you deal with these people?

It gets even worse when it comes to other subjects. If I started discussing the World Economic Forum with these people, they'd assume I was making it up, mad or switch off. Fourth Industrial Revolution, and either the same, or they'd misunderstand it, and say, "But we're doing that already."

(* If you're wondering the real figure, it's supposedly nine - Russia and the USA, followed by PR China, UK, France, Pakistan, India, Israel and North Korea. I don't know how accurate the figures of total nukes are in the diagram. I'm amazed China has so few. For what it's worth, I suspect the American ones are more accurate and better built, just Russia has a lot of them.)

The deceiving part of the chart as well is it doesn't even list nuclear capable countries like Canada which was part of the Manhattan Project or countries like Israel that *have* nukes.

People don't seem to want to learn anymore.

Israel is on the list.

BeNotDeceived wrote: ↑March 13th, 2022, 9:58 am The majority of them are democrats.

This can be seen by the ratio of left/right leaning radio talk shows.

She wasn't an American, so unlikely!

BuriedTartaria wrote: ↑March 13th, 2022, 10:15 am Wow, Russia and the US have a lot more nuclear fire power than other places

The thing that amazed me is how few China has. It ranks close to France and the UK in terms of nuclear capability (if these figures are accurate).

Original_Intent wrote: ↑March 13th, 2022, 10:57 amAs usual, I love how you put this, Thinker.

We must remember that the "Low information people" are being intentionally kept that way. Opposing voices to the narrative are de-platformed, "fact" checked, and uniformly ridiculed by the mainstream media. I was on the wrong side of covid for the first 2-3 months. I am the type that I try to keep an open mind and be willing to change my mind as I discover new information. I am not a humble person, as I should be, but I do realize that I very likely don't have all the facts on ANYTHING. Not out of humility, but simply learning that the more that I know, always makes me aware of even more that I don't know, and then add the things that I don't know that I don't know (which is probably a billion times more than what I know I don't know) and it does put one in one's place.

It is very frustrating to see your way of life being destroyed by well-intentioned but uninformed people. They have been conditioned to not dig deeper, and to feel very righteously convinced of their positions. And many of us that may be better informed tend to lack good communication skills, and rather than being helpful come off as "know-it-alls" that are basically telling the majority that they are idiots. A difficult conundrum. May God help us.

Thanks, OI.
I appreciate how you often see multiple perspectives of issues.

It is a difficult problem, which I think goes deep or universal. Wanting to believe news/media/political-religious-leaders have it all under control & know what’s going on & what’s best. False god. And they are no match for military-trained PSY OPS (Psychological Operations) directing subtle but influential attacks at them. Not until the last few years did I even realize there is a distinct military organization just for influencing minds.

You probably already know this (but for others)…
When they saw how influential psychological warfare was against enemies they made it illegal to direct PSY OPS against US citizens - until..

• ”On July 2, 2013 American citizens became unknowing victims of government propaganda being paid for by their own tax dollars and most don’t even know it.”

https://artvoice.com/2018/07/11/is-the- ... -citizens/

A lot of relationships have been hurt through the various divisive tactics of media, religion etc. Personally, I’m working on my delivery. I tend to be blunt & I need to learn to present things in a way that helps others be more receptive. But I also need to know when to save my breath.

endlessismyname wrote: ↑March 13th, 2022, 11:15 am

Sunain wrote: ↑March 13th, 2022, 11:11 am

endlessismyname wrote: ↑March 13th, 2022, 10:41 am Lucifer is a high information, low intelligence individual.

He is definitely not a low intelligence individual. He is very charismatic, cunning, manipulative, deceiving, highly intelligence, powerful (in his own domain), and a tempter. He was second only to Jesus in influence as a third part (and more), followed him.

He thinks he will defeat God. Low intelligence. Influence != Intelligence

But I hear what you’re saying, and it’s an interesting conversation worth having. I don’t pretend to have all the answers regarding this… it’s something I’ve been prompted to study the last couple weeks, so I’m still in my intellectual infancy on the topic.

In C.S. Lewis' novel Perelandra, there is a very cunning demonic figure. At times it is very intelligent, and others moronic. It only sees intelligence as a thing to wear occasionally, but cannot maintain it.

Unfortunately, regardless of Satan himself, he has used "gold and silver" to buy up some of the most intelligent people out there, and they're working in labs and elsewhere.

He can be intelligent, but he is not wise, that's the difference.

I made a separate post, but I'll leave this here as well. Sixty seconds that I think everyone needs to hear in these chaotic times. If you like it, please like and share the video (or this post) but let's make this go viral, please!

Niemand wrote: ↑March 13th, 2022, 9:15 am I never cease to be amazed how badly informed a lot of people are. I've just had someone tell me "all countries have nuclear weapons", after I pointed out Russia has nukes.* How do you deal with these people?

It gets even worse when it comes to other subjects. If I started discussing the World Economic Forum with these people, they'd assume I was making it up, mad or switch off. Fourth Industrial Revolution, and either the same, or they'd misunderstand it, and say, "But we're doing that already."

(* If you're wondering the real figure, it's supposedly nine - Russia and the USA, followed by PR China, UK, France, Pakistan, India, Israel and North Korea. I don't know how accurate the figures of total nukes are in the diagram. I'm amazed China has so few. For what it's worth, I suspect the American ones are more accurate and better built, just Russia has a lot of them.)

The irony of your statement is that Nuclear weapons don’t exist. Hiroshima were fire bombs. Took less than a decade for trees/plants and people to live there. I feel your pain. I don’t understand how limited peoples knowledge is. Nukes aren’t real. Just fyi

What I have seen about low information people is what has been termed "sound bites" You hear or read a sentence or fragment of a sentence, and just go with it. Worse than being low information is it usually misleading. Worse than believing you are uninformed in that area you think you are informed. Part of this is the mass volume of information that comes our way. There is no filter.

It is not just people. In my role as work as a senior engineering fellow, I spent nearly all my time trying to explain to engineering execs that spent their day working "diversity" in their free that what they thought they new was just plain wrong. They jumped on a sound bite and ran with it. It was much, much harder to turn about someone that thought they new than someone who would admit they didn't know and were open to learning.

That seems were we are today, Take COVID and masks. Sound bites said how much they saved people's lives. that other parts of the world have been using them for decades, like Dr's in surgery. Bam. Two years of telling people they dont' work (very well) have side effect, and are no longer needed (never were). They cannot handle it because they never understood why in the first place. Low information decisions. Take the COVID origin. Now most here know if was man made, but the constant lies early that condemned contrary views are making it hard for anyone to accept the truth when it becomes unveiled. Same with voter fraud, especially here where I live. Inflation and causes. Unemployment.

The ultimate was Biden's SOTU speak, sound bite, after sound bite, saying what people want to hear, almost all direct and unsupportable lies, but moved across swiftly. One example that sticks with me here is when he said women deserve equal rights and to be treated fairly. Everyone clapped and the room exploded. He then spent the next few minutes talking about his abortion initiatives equating that to women's rights. People all want those laws passed because they want womens rights but they aren't correlated.

JLHPROF wrote: ↑March 13th, 2022, 10:52 am

The Red Pill wrote: ↑March 13th, 2022, 10:16 am

Original_Intent wrote: ↑March 13th, 2022, 9:50 am This is indeed frustrating.
We believe not only that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but also that all opinions have equal value, regardless of how ill-informed they are.
God help us repent.

This is why our founding fathers wanted to limit voting to those informed and capable of understanding the issues.

Many current voters are like the student who never studied on a multiple choice test...just picking one...clueless, ignorant and very easily manipulated by fraudsters and lying grifters.

Our current aweful situation proves this. Yes...many dim-bulbs out there.

Well, it's not like we're given legitimate choices at the polls anymore. The lesser of two evils is still evil. Unless there's a good to vote for why bother?

The choices at the polls reflect what we have allowed to happen...

...apathy, not understanding issues, not caring about issues, easily fooled or manipulated...does NOT make a citizenry worthy of good candidates.

If we, collectively, absolutely refused to allow Romney and Cox types into power...we would have much better outcomes!!!

Mudflood wrote: ↑March 13th, 2022, 12:05 pm

Niemand wrote: ↑March 13th, 2022, 9:15 am I never cease to be amazed how badly informed a lot of people are. I've just had someone tell me "all countries have nuclear weapons", after I pointed out Russia has nukes.* How do you deal with these people?

It gets even worse when it comes to other subjects. If I started discussing the World Economic Forum with these people, they'd assume I was making it up, mad or switch off. Fourth Industrial Revolution, and either the same, or they'd misunderstand it, and say, "But we're doing that already."

(* If you're wondering the real figure, it's supposedly nine - Russia and the USA, followed by PR China, UK, France, Pakistan, India, Israel and North Korea. I don't know how accurate the figures of total nukes are in the diagram. I'm amazed China has so few. For what it's worth, I suspect the American ones are more accurate and better built, just Russia has a lot of them.)

The irony of your statement is that Nuclear weapons don’t exist. Hiroshima were fire bombs. Took less than a decade for trees/plants and people to live there. I feel your pain. I don’t understand how limited peoples knowledge is. Nukes aren’t real. Just fyi

I've been to Hiroshima. The damage to the soil in the park around ground zero is still visible (or was in 1997). Trees grow in it, but it is clearly less fertile than comparable land a few miles away.

The trouble is that it isn't just Hiroshima and Nagasaki. There have been a lot of atomic tests, many of which have been seen by neutral bystanders. Some of them could even be seen from downtown Las Vegas.

Either way, our opinions may be different, but I think a person has to be a special kind of stupid to believe all countries have them. I have more respect for your viewpoint than hers.