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Posted: **March 12th, 2022, 12:55 pm**

This is just my opinion, take it for what it's worth.

I am neither pro-Russia, nor cautious out of fear of Russia.

I certainly have no illusion that Putin is a good guy (but I am also very distrustful of the war propaganda that we are being deluged with.

We, the people, have all too easily bought into the war mongering narrative and we have done far worse with far less provocation than Russia has demonstrated with Ukraine. This isn't me being anti-American, it is very simply demonstrably the truth.

We have gone into these other countries, set up our own puppet governments, and bombed civilians back to the stone age with very little fear or consequence because, after all, we are the "We're 'Murica!" the world's last and greatest superpower. and we have not flinched from trying to reign with blood and horror on this earth. For my LDS friends, yes that phrasing is intentional and should give you pause to consider.

Again, Russia is far from being the good guy here, but at least have a healthy skepticism of our own motives. This is the Ukraine that has dirty deals going on with the family members of Biden, Pelosi, Romney, and doubtless others.

We have been deluged with the "heroism" of Zelensky, the plight of the Ukrainian people, and while there is surely a grain of truth in this depiction, we were not bombarded by the media with the plight of people in much worse circumstances - the Uyghur people of China for instance. Yes, there has been coverage of their situation, but has there been the non-stop coverage and manipulation to try to get us to respond that has been the case with Ukraine? Not at all, and again we need to consider the interests of our elites in beating the war drums so intently.
How many times in even the last 20 years have we been led into war based on "100% known facts" that years later turned out not to be true?

I am not proposing that we do nothing, but I suggest that any thinking person must realize that we are not being given all the facts. Consider our leaders in both parties - do you think they really care in the least about the Ukrainian people? They only care to the extent that they can use the horror of what is going on to divert your attention from the problems that they have caused - the terrible economy that is looking to get much worse, the supply chain problems, horrific inflation - all of which were happening for many months before the Russian invasion. But now in Putin they have a scapegoat that they are trying to pin all of the world's problems on.

Please, please, prayerfully study and discern the state of the world and the many evil forces at work. If I have offended you, I am sorry, but I feel the need to warn you - if we get involved in this war, I feel that we will feel the pain of war in ways that we have not as we "drone-killed" tens of thousands in many parts of the world.

We should not refrain from acting out of fear of having to pay a price. But we absolutely must not be led into war by those with selfish motives.

Posted: **March 12th, 2022, 1:01 pm**

Original_Intent wrote: ↑March 12th, 2022, 12:55 pm
Again, Russia is far from being the good guy here, but at least have a healthy skepticism of our own motives. This is the Ukraine that has dirty deals going on with the family members of Biden, Pelosi, Romney, and doubtless others.

Agreed. Russia is a threat to the US, which means a threat to us. I understand that (we're a threat to them as well, all of us exist holding a gun to one another's head) They're certainly not devoid of evil (neither is the United States). But Ukraine is friendly with NATO/US. I can see Russia's desire to take advantage of the US having a weak president and take care of what they see to be a problem with Ukraine. I can not believe their effort to do this has taken weeks. The world seems to turn against them more and more every day. I understand the world's perspective of this but I don't trust Babylon and I'm not buying the "evil Russia" propaganda being built up by approved, establishment media.

Posted: **March 12th, 2022, 1:28 pm**

Original_Intent wrote: ↑March 12th, 2022, 12:55 pm This is just my opinion, take it for what it's worth.

I am neither pro-Russia, nor cautious out of fear of Russia.

I certainly have no illusion that Putin is a good guy (but I am also very distrustful of the war propaganda that we are being deluged with.

We, the people, have all too easily bought into the war mongering narrative and we have done far worse with far less provocation than Russia has demonstrated with Ukraine. This isn't me being anti-American, it is very simply demonstrably the truth.

We have gone into these other countries, set up our own puppet governments, and bombed civilians back to the stone age with very little fear or consequence because, after all, we are the "We're 'Murica!" the world's last and greatest superpower. and we have not flinched from trying to reign with blood and horror on this earth. For my LDS friends, yes that phrasing is intentional and should give you pause to consider.

Again, Russia is far from being the good guy here, but at least have a healthy skepticism of our own motives. This is the Ukraine that has dirty deals going on with the family members of Biden, Pelosi, Romney, and doubtless others.

We have been deluged with the "heroism" of Zelensky, the plight of the Ukrainian people, and while there is surely a grain of truth in this depiction, we were not bombarded by the media with the plight of people in much worse circumstances - the Uyghur people of China for instance. Yes, there has been coverage of their situation, but has there been the non-stop coverage and manipulation to try to get us to respond that has been the case with Ukraine? Not at all, and again we need to consider the interests of our elites in beating the war drums so intently.
How many times in even the last 20 years have we been led into war based on "100% known facts" that years later turned out not to be true?

I am not proposing that we do nothing, but I suggest that any thinking person must realize that we are not being given all the facts. Consider our leaders in both parties - do you think they really care in the least about the Ukrainian people? They only care to the extent that they can use the horror of what is going on to divert your attention from the problems that they have caused - the terrible economy that is looking to get much worse, the supply chain problems, horrific inflation - all of which were happening for many months before the Russian invasion. But now in Putin they have a scapegoat that they are trying to pin all of the world's problems on.

Please, please, prayerfully study and discern the state of the world and the many evil forces at work. If I have offended you, I am sorry, but I feel the need to warn you - if we get involved in this war, I feel that we will feel the pain of war in ways that we have not as we "drone-killed" tens of thousands in many parts of the world.

We should not refrain from acting out of fear of having to pay a price. But we absolutely must not be led into war by those with selfish motives.

"This is the Ukraine that has dirty deals going on with the family members of Biden, Pelosi, Romney, and doubtless others."

Pelosi and Romney do not have family members doing deals with Ukraine, as far as I can tell. If you have evidence otherwise, please share it.

We should ask ourselves why America is so involved with Ukraine these last few years, with Biden and Hunter, and all the back and forth with Trump and Russia. It was a set up for sure, for this very moment we are in.

Posted: **March 12th, 2022, 1:33 pm**

BuriedTartaria wrote: ↑March 12th, 2022, 1:01 pm
Original_Intent wrote: ↑March 12th, 2022, 12:55 pm
Again, Russia is far from being the good guy here, but at least have a healthy skepticism of our own motives. This is the Ukraine that has dirty deals going on with the family members of Biden, Pelosi, Romney, and doubtless others.

Agreed. Russia is a threat to the US, which means a threat to us. I understand that (we're a threat to them as well, all of us exist holding a gun to one another's head) They're certainly not devoid of evil (neither is the United States). But Ukraine is friendly with NATO/US. I can see Russia's desire to take advantage of the US having a weak president and take care of what they see to be a problem with Ukraine. I can not believe their effort to do this has taken weeks. The world seems to turn against them more and more every day. I understand the world's perspective of this but I don't trust Babylon and I'm not buying the "evil Russia" propaganda being built up by approved, establishment media.

I believe Ukraine is friendly with NATO because we staged a coup to overthrow the more "Russia friendly" (and duly elected) Yanukovich in 2014. My opinion.

Posted: **March 12th, 2022, 1:39 pm**

Sarah wrote: ↑March 12th, 2022, 1:28 pm
Original_Intent wrote: ↑March 12th, 2022, 12:55 pm This is just my opinion, take it for what it's worth.

I am neither pro-Russia, nor cautious out of fear of Russia.

I certainly have no illusion that Putin is a good guy (but I am also very distrustful of the war propaganda that we are being deluged with.

We, the people, have all too easily bought into the war mongering narrative and we have done far worse with far less provocation than Russia has demonstrated with Ukraine. This isn't me being anti-American, it is very simply demonstrably the truth.

We have gone into these other countries, set up our own puppet governments, and bombed civilians back to the stone age with very little fear or consequence because, after all, we are the "We're 'Murica!" the world's last and greatest superpower. and we have not flinched from trying to reign with blood and horror on this earth. For my LDS friends, yes that phrasing is intentional and should give you pause to consider.

Again, Russia is far from being the good guy here, but at least have a healthy skepticism of our own motives. This is the Ukraine that has dirty deals going on with the family members of Biden, Pelosi, Romney, and doubtless others.

We have been deluged with the "heroism" of Zelensky, the plight of the Ukrainian people, and while there is surely a grain of truth in this depiction, we were not bombarded by the media with the plight of people in much worse circumstances - the Uyghur people of China for instance. Yes, there has been coverage of their situation, but has there been the non-stop coverage and manipulation to try to get us to respond that has been the case with Ukraine? Not at all, and again we need to consider the interests of our elites in beating the war drums so intently.
How many times in even the last 20 years have we been led into war based on "100% known facts" that years later turned out not to be true?

I am not proposing that we do nothing, but I suggest that any thinking person must realize that we are not being given all the facts. Consider our leaders in both parties - do you think they really care in the least about the Ukrainian people? They only care to the extent that they can use the horror of what is going on to divert your attention from the problems that they have caused - the terrible economy that is looking to get much worse, the supply chain problems, horrific inflation - all of which were happening for many months before the Russian invasion. But now in Putin they have a scapegoat that they are trying to pin all of the world's problems on.

Please, please, prayerfully study and discern the state of the world and the many evil forces at work. If I have offended you, I am sorry, but I feel the need to warn you - if we get involved in this war, I feel that we will feel the pain of war in ways that we have not as we "drone-killed" tens of thousands in many parts of the world.

We should not refrain from acting out of fear of having to pay a price. But we absolutely must not be led into war by those with selfish motives.
"This is the Ukraine that has dirty deals going on with the family members of Biden, Pelosi, Romney, and doubtless others."

Pelosi and Romney do not have family members doing deals with Ukraine, as far as I can tell. If you have evidence otherwise, please share it.

We should ask ourselves why America is so involved with Ukraine these last few years, with Biden and Hunter, and all the back and forth with Trump and Russia. It was a set up for sure, for this very moment we are in.

It appears that my reference to Pelosi and Romney sons working for Ukraine energy is false, or at lease Reuter's fact checked it as false, I stand corrected.

Posted: **March 12th, 2022, 2:07 pm**

Reuters also "fact checked" whether the covid vaxxine is killing people and decided it isn't. Interesting to note that their CEO is also on the Pfizer board. conflict of interest much?

As for your sentiment, Original_Intent : fully agree. Count me in as a skeptic of "the official narrative" from the beginning of this conflict. The fact that we will protect all borders but our own should be enough to question the motives of our president and everyone in DC and on FB. The fact that there is evidence from our own state department that our military is funding biological "research" in Ukraine should give everyone who knows anything about the origins of Covid pause.

FB is now basically calling for the genocide of Russians, and is allowing hate speech from Nazi groups on their site. And all the lemmings are still adding yellow and blue flags to their profiles. Germany is refusing treatment to Russians in German hospitals. If you ever wondered whether you would be for japanese internment camps in WWII, now you know: if you are a democrat, you would be for it.

The overblown support for Ukraine from MSM, the Technocrats, BigBiz, and all the politicians on both sides with a lot at stake has all the markings of a CIA psy-op. Who cares about Russian oligarchs and their yachts when we have our own American oligarchs that are much worse?

As the world leader in violence, we should not be involved in this conflict. Except Hunter & "the big guy" have a lot to lose if we don't. But what do they care? they aren't going to be the ones dying in any full-blown war with Russia.

Posted: **March 12th, 2022, 2:22 pm**

It’s fascinating to me to watch people who clearly saw the Covid propaganda who can’t seem to discern the Ukraine propaganda.

I’ve found I’m too tired to try to help people at this point. My wife just tried to engage me on Ukraine and we had to stop talking because I just don’t have the patience to deconstruct the narrative and replace it with actual intelligence. And, of course, there’s the complication that there are no angels involved in this war, so lies abound from both sides.

Edit: a good article to start with

https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/ukra ... htower?s=r

Posted: **March 12th, 2022, 2:55 pm**

endlessismyname wrote: ↑March 12th, 2022, 2:22 pm It’s fascinating to me to watch people who clearly saw the Covid propaganda who can’t seem to discern the Ukraine propaganda.

I don't know the full details but it is clear that both Biden and Romney have dealings in Ukraine. I don't trust either of them, in fact I'd probably trust Putin before I trusted either those two. The propaganda is on all sides now.

Literally as COVID is wrapping up, we have the Ukraine war. It's going to be one thing until the next until the savior returns. My outlook going forward is this, be worthy and find those willing to listen to the gospel message but let the Lord Jesus Christ deal with all these evil people in His due time. These evil people have to have a reason to be judged, and the innocent both directly and indirectly affected by all these last days calamities will be called upon as witnesses of their evil.

Posted: **March 12th, 2022, 3:00 pm**

Take it for what it's worth

Mitt Romney connection to Ukraine:

According to an article published in the Huffington Post shortly after President Trump was inaugurated, a former top CIA official joined the board of Burisma, Ukraine’s largest provider of natural gas.

Burisma is the oil and gas company at the center of a controversy about former Vice President Joe Biden and his son, who also served on Burisma’s board.

The article says that Joseph Cofer Black would be “leading the company’s security and strategic development efforts.” Black had served in various CIA positions under Presidents Clinton and George W. Bush.

According to reports, Cofer Black was a “top Romney aide.”

Nancy Pelosi connection:

Pelosi’s son, Paul Pelosi Jr., got paid thousands for a no-show job which he wasn’t qualified in an effort to buy influence with his politician parent. (The same company that paid him is connected to the Clintons as well.)

Nancy Pelosi’s son Paul was also on the board of an energy company and he traveled to Ukraine for his work.

And ...Better Yet ...Speaker Nancy Pelosi even appeared in the company’s video ad! According to Patrick Howley at National File Speaker Pelosi’s son Paul Jr. was an executive at Viscoil, at its related company NRGLab, which DID ENERGY business in UKRAINE!

(Paul Jr. traveled to Ukraine in 2017.)

Posted: **March 12th, 2022, 3:14 pm**

Sunain wrote: ↑March 12th, 2022, 2:55 pm
endlessismyname wrote: ↑March 12th, 2022, 2:22 pm It’s fascinating to me to watch people who clearly saw the Covid propaganda who can’t seem to discern the Ukraine propaganda.
I don't know the full details but it is clear that both Biden and Romney have dealings in Ukraine. I don't trust either of them, in fact I'd probably trust Putin before I trusted either those two. The propaganda is on all sides now.

Literally as COVID is wrapping up, we have the Ukraine war. It's going to be one thing until the next until the savior returns. My outlook going forward is this, be worthy and find those willing to listen to the gospel message but let the Lord Jesus Christ deal with all these evil people in His due time. These evil people have to have a reason to be judged, and the innocent both directly and indirectly affected by all these last days calamities will be called upon as witnesses of their evil.

Romney does not have dealings in Ukraine. It was a former advisor of his, Cofer Black who came to Burisma in 2017, years after he was an advisor to Romney in 2008 and 12. Romney had hundreds of advisors, and there's no evidence that Romney has any other connections with Black otherwise. Like with Hunter, this was an attempt by Russia (Burisma) to tangle puppet Westerners into this web of corruption and money, so they could be used as part of their narrative and accused people of wrong doing from their side (the US right). The head of Burisma had ties to the pro-Russian government. All these corrupt officials and oligarchs in Ukraine are actually puppets of Putin.

Posted: **March 12th, 2022, 3:19 pm**

kittycat51 wrote: ↑March 12th, 2022, 3:00 pm Take it for what it's worth

Mitt Romney connection to Ukraine:

According to an article published in the Huffington Post shortly after President Trump was inaugurated, a former top CIA official joined the board of Burisma, Ukraine’s largest provider of natural gas.

Burisma is the oil and gas company at the center of a controversy about former Vice President Joe Biden and his son, who also served on Burisma’s board.

The article says that Joseph Cofer Black would be “leading the company’s security and strategic development efforts.” Black had served in various CIA positions under Presidents Clinton and George W. Bush.

According to reports, Cofer Black was a “top Romney aide.”

Nancy Pelosi connection:

Pelosi’s son, Paul Pelosi Jr., got paid thousands for a no-show job which he wasn’t qualified in an effort to buy influence with his politician parent. (The same company that paid him is connected to the Clintons as well.)

Nancy Pelosi’s son Paul was also on the board of an energy company and he traveled to Ukraine for his work.

And ...Better Yet ...Speaker Nancy Pelosi even appeared in the company’s video ad! According to Patrick Howley at National File Speaker Pelosi’s son Paul Jr. was an executive at Viscoil, at its related company NRGLab, which DID ENERGY business in UKRAINE!

(Paul Jr. traveled to Ukraine in 2017.)

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... -gas-comp/

Viscoil is an American gas company.

Posted: **March 12th, 2022, 3:48 pm**

My instinct is we have two bad teams here, but one of those teams are pro-globalism, and one is not.

Posted: **March 12th, 2022, 4:13 pm**

Original_Intent wrote: ↑March 12th, 2022, 3:48 pm My instinct is we have two bad teams here, but one of those teams are pro-globalism, and one is not.

How were the "globalists" ever thinking they were going to win against Russia and China, and get them to fall in line? Were they blind to what Russia and China have been doing, in forming alliances, spreading their economic and military tentacles all over the world? It's unreasonable to think that the Western elites thought they could marshal all their military strength against them.

Posted: **March 12th, 2022, 4:26 pm**

Sarah wrote: ↑March 12th, 2022, 4:13 pm
Original_Intent wrote: ↑March 12th, 2022, 3:48 pm My instinct is we have two bad teams here, but one of those teams are pro-globalism, and one is not.
How were the "globalists" ever thinking they were going to win against Russia and China, and get them to fall in line? Were they blind to what Russia and China have been doing, in forming alliances, spreading their economic and military tentacles all over the world? It's unreasonable to think that the Western elites thought they could marshal all their military strength against them.

I like the way you are thinking, but I don't think you carry the process far enough.
The dollar has to die (for the globalists) and our sanctions on Russia has got a lot of people talking about a new global reserve currency that is not created by a single country.
I think China is more pro-globalism than you think, Putin is trading with them because they are the best of a lot of bad options. Not because they have the same ideology.
I reiterate, Putin is no good imho. We just cannot be deceived into this war. I don't know everything, neither do any of us. But we should at least be cautious in our ignorance.

Posted: **March 12th, 2022, 5:21 pm**

Original_Intent wrote: ↑March 12th, 2022, 1:33 pm
BuriedTartaria wrote: ↑March 12th, 2022, 1:01 pm
Original_Intent wrote: ↑March 12th, 2022, 12:55 pm
Again, Russia is far from being the good guy here, but at least have a healthy skepticism of our own motives. This is the Ukraine that has dirty deals going on with the family members of Biden, Pelosi, Romney, and doubtless others.

Agreed. Russia is a threat to the US, which means a threat to us. I understand that (we're a threat to them as well, all of us exist holding a gun to one another's head) They're certainly not devoid of evil (neither is the United States). But Ukraine is friendly with NATO/US. I can see Russia's desire to take advantage of the US having a weak president and take care of what they see to be a problem with Ukraine. I can not believe their effort to do this has taken weeks. The world seems to turn against them more and more every day. I understand the world's perspective of this but I don't trust Babylon and I'm not buying the "evil Russia" propaganda being built up by approved, establishment media.
I believe Ukraine is friendly with NATO because we staged a coup to overthrow the more "Russia friendly" (and duly elected) Yanukovich in 2014. My opinion.

It's actually a fact.

Posted: **March 12th, 2022, 8:01 pm**

Original_Intent wrote: ↑March 12th, 2022, 3:48 pm My instinct is we have two bad teams here, but one of those teams are pro-globalism, and one is not.

when you have to choose between the globalists and the nationalists, always choose the nationalists...

Posted: **March 12th, 2022, 8:18 pm**

Original_Intent wrote: ↑March 12th, 2022, 3:48 pm My instinct is we have two bad teams here, but one of those teams are pro-globalism, and one is not.

Or one team putting on a show.

Posted: **March 12th, 2022, 9:05 pm**

This video explains why Russia has not achieved air superiority over Ukraine. Course it could be BS. But is does leave a few questions unanswered...

Posted: **March 12th, 2022, 9:05 pm**

Original_Intent wrote: ↑March 12th, 2022, 4:26 pm
Sarah wrote: ↑March 12th, 2022, 4:13 pm
Original_Intent wrote: ↑March 12th, 2022, 3:48 pm My instinct is we have two bad teams here, but one of those teams are pro-globalism, and one is not.
How were the "globalists" ever thinking they were going to win against Russia and China, and get them to fall in line? Were they blind to what Russia and China have been doing, in forming alliances, spreading their economic and military tentacles all over the world? It's unreasonable to think that the Western elites thought they could marshal all their military strength against them.
I like the way you are thinking, but I don't think you carry the process far enough.
The dollar has to die (for the globalists) and our sanctions on Russia has got a lot of people talking about a new global reserve currency that is not created by a single country.
I think China is more pro-globalism than you think, Putin is trading with them because they are the best of a lot of bad options. Not because they have the same ideology.
I reiterate, Putin is no good imho. We just cannot be deceived into this war. I don't know everything, neither do any of us. But we should at least be cautious in our ignorance.

China sure has talked the talk of globalism, but obviously they have their nationalistic dance they do. I could see them trying to implement a one-world currency, but it would be Russia and China really controlling the whole thing, perhaps with a European/western puppet.

Here we see tag-team Putin and Xi doing their propaganda thing...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGfvpnsVs5U&t=629s

Posted: **March 12th, 2022, 10:51 pm**

China globalism is China ruling the word per Mao. Russia nationalism is all of northern Europe as largest USSR area. Globalism in Europe is European banks running everything. I also cannot see how the NWO types thought they could rope in Putin or Xi. Now Xi just lies. Always wondered how Mussolini, Hitler and Japan would have co-existed if they took the world for their NWO as well.

I think they only thought they were working together when they were united behind getting rid of Trump. After that came COVID and they were united in destroying people via vax and ruining US economy. Now they move to a new phase. Step on Russia and hope China plays along, but China will eventually bite their head off. As long as the US is weak and no other even close to benevolent super power exists, little tyrants will land grab around the world. All looking for better negotiating for their piece of NWO pie.

Now the question that is burning. How much of the world structure (buildings, businesses, energy), must be destroyed by war and how much can the bankers just take via plandemics and economic trickery? I suppose the uber rich still need large businesses and farms to keep them rich, but they could sacrifice small pawns all day long. So, most meaningless countries, and ones with more value broken (i.e. with raw materials). are best sacrificed. If you have no infrastructure and no raw materials, I guess your country just creates carbon and only half NWO types want you destroyed.

Posted: **March 13th, 2022, 6:45 am**

Original_Intent wrote: ↑March 12th, 2022, 3:48 pm My instinct is we have two bad teams here, but one of those teams are pro-globalism, and one is not.

I think they are both pro-globalism. In fact I now think this might be a largely phony war simply to introduce Agenda2030 even faster.

I think the 'war' could be as bogus as the 'pandemic'. I certainly see no reason to think Russia is anti-globalist. I wish they were. There might be some hope!

Posted: **March 13th, 2022, 8:15 am**

NeveR wrote: ↑March 13th, 2022, 6:45 am
Original_Intent wrote: ↑March 12th, 2022, 3:48 pm My instinct is we have two bad teams here, but one of those teams are pro-globalism, and one is not.
I think they are both pro-globalism. In fact I now think this might be a largely phony war simply to introduce Agenda2030 even faster.

I think the 'war' could be as bogus as the 'pandemic'. I certainly see no reason to think Russia is anti-globalist. I wish they were. There might be some hope!

Maybe they have different forms of what globalism should entail. I think that is highly likely. I'm sure the Russians and Chinese don't like to be bossed around by people from Western/Central Europe & North America. The Japanese seem to have been strangely sidelined in recent years.

Posted: **March 13th, 2022, 8:40 am**

Original_Intent wrote: ↑March 12th, 2022, 1:33 pm
BuriedTartaria wrote: ↑March 12th, 2022, 1:01 pm
Original_Intent wrote: ↑March 12th, 2022, 12:55 pm
Again, Russia is far from being the good guy here, but at least have a healthy skepticism of our own motives. This is the Ukraine that has dirty deals going on with the family members of Biden, Pelosi, Romney, and doubtless others.

Agreed. Russia is a threat to the US, which means a threat to us. I understand that (we're a threat to them as well, all of us exist holding a gun to one another's head) They're certainly not devoid of evil (neither is the United States). But Ukraine is friendly with NATO/US. I can see Russia's desire to take advantage of the US having a weak president and take care of what they see to be a problem with Ukraine. I can not believe their effort to do this has taken weeks. The world seems to turn against them more and more every day. I understand the world's perspective of this but I don't trust Babylon and I'm not buying the "evil Russia" propaganda being built up by approved, establishment media.
I believe Ukraine is friendly with NATO because we staged a coup to overthrow the more "Russia friendly" (and duly elected) Yanukovich in 2014. My opinion.

Have you seen this documentary by Oliver Stone called "Ukraine on Fire"? It explains the events of 2014:

https://rumble.com/vwxxi8-ukraine-on-fire.html

Posted: **March 13th, 2022, 9:01 am**

InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑March 13th, 2022, 8:40 am
Original_Intent wrote: ↑March 12th, 2022, 1:33 pm
BuriedTartaria wrote: ↑March 12th, 2022, 1:01 pm
Original_Intent wrote: ↑March 12th, 2022, 12:55 pm
Again, Russia is far from being the good guy here, but at least have a healthy skepticism of our own motives. This is the Ukraine that has dirty deals going on with the family members of Biden, Pelosi, Romney, and doubtless others.

Agreed. Russia is a threat to the US, which means a threat to us. I understand that (we're a threat to them as well, all of us exist holding a gun to one another's head) They're certainly not devoid of evil (neither is the United States). But Ukraine is friendly with NATO/US. I can see Russia's desire to take advantage of the US having a weak president and take care of what they see to be a problem with Ukraine. I can not believe their effort to do this has taken weeks. The world seems to turn against them more and more every day. I understand the world's perspective of this but I don't trust Babylon and I'm not buying the "evil Russia" propaganda being built up by approved, establishment media.
I believe Ukraine is friendly with NATO because we staged a coup to overthrow the more "Russia friendly" (and duly elected) Yanukovich in 2014. My opinion.
Have you seen this documentary by Oliver Stone called "Ukraine on Fire"? It explains the events of 2014:

https://rumble.com/vwxxi8-ukraine-on-fire.html

That was good. Still propaganda, to some extent, I'm sure, but worth watching.

Posted: **March 13th, 2022, 9:51 am**

My thoughts are, that we need to cleanse the inner vessel. Ukraine, Russia, China, the Middle East, Europe, etc, is not our problem, when we are dying from cancer within. We are a very bloody nation, we have blood on our hands within and without. Russia and China is not our problem. We are the problem. We are now, just about to be held accountable, in a way that is indescribable.
Our Father's long suffering for us is actually quite unbelievable. Yet, He says that the wicked will destroy the wicked. Unless America truly repents and turns back to God, you can write it in stone, we will be swept off of this nation, wait, it already is written.

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Re: My thoughts this morning on the conflict in Ukraine

Re: My thoughts this morning on the conflict in Ukraine

Re: My thoughts this morning on the conflict in Ukraine

Re: My thoughts this morning on the conflict in Ukraine

Re: My thoughts this morning on the conflict in Ukraine

Re: My thoughts this morning on the conflict in Ukraine

Re: My thoughts this morning on the conflict in Ukraine

Re: My thoughts this morning on the conflict in Ukraine

Re: My thoughts this morning on the conflict in Ukraine

Re: My thoughts this morning on the conflict in Ukraine