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...where would you refer me?

LDS Physician wrote: ↑March 11th, 2022, 5:39 pm ...where would you refer me?

Here are the East Idaho News archived stories. You will need to “Load More Stories” to scroll back to the beginning, which is Dec 2019.

https://www.eastidahonews.com/news/daybell/

A podcast:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/m ... 0515316087

There was a massive thread on this forum about it all.

Luke wrote: ↑March 11th, 2022, 8:26 pm There was a massive thread on this forum about it all.

It is massive. That’s why I linked the East Idaho News so he could scan the headlines and choose the articles to read.

Why would you want to read about him?

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑March 11th, 2022, 9:29 pm Why would you want to read about him?

Just curious about the case. I keep hearing about him and his wife.

LDS Physician wrote: ↑March 11th, 2022, 9:38 pm

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑March 11th, 2022, 9:29 pm Why would you want to read about him?

Just curious about the case. I keep hearing about him and his wife.

It is a pretty wild ride. Makes you realize that anyone can have a hidden/twisted side to them. He came off as a kwirky/nerdy kind of a guy. I met him at a preparedness expo in Utah (he was selling his books). I also listened to a few podcasts with him, he seemed genuine… and then a very dark side of him was exposed. So bizarre and weird.

I second Lizzy's suggestion. East Idaho News has done excellent job in following the case.

There are some podcasts and youtubers (like Hidden True Crime) that are good too. But the problem is that old podcasts might not have up-to-date information and newer ones might assume some familiarity with the case. That is why it is good to scan through the timeline and articles at East Idaho News.

LDS Physician wrote: ↑March 11th, 2022, 5:39 pm ...where would you refer me?

When this story first broke I started following it on Websleuths. Some of the information was useful, a lot were opinions and theories, but if you want a deep dive this is where you can go.

Short version, he is accused of being involved with the murders of two of his stepchildren, and possibly two or three others including his deceased wife that allowed him to marry this thing he is currently married to. He came off as the ultimate prepper/seer to a lot and I mean a lot of people, a true multi-level marketer/car salesman who had a lot of followers because he claimed to be a "seer," prophet and revelatory who had the "real and true priesthood." He had portals in his closet, kitchen, garage, car, pretty much anywhere he was, he could cross back and forth between dimensions and worlds and showed where he was next to Jesus Christ or maybe even a bit higher up in the Celestial realms. He was married to umpteen women in multiple life times on this earth and planets like Zebu and X and who knows where else. Then he began to show his true colors and people started dropping dead or disappearing for several months only to show up either buried wrapped in garbage bags or burned in a bonfire circle. He and the thing he married have been in jail awaiting trial for about a year almost or possibly a little more, (I lost track) but then his history gets weird.

A small correction: Lori’s minor children were never Chad’s stepchildren because they were murdered before Chad’s wife died.

Lori was jailed in Hawaii in early 2020, then extradited to Idaho where she has been in custody since. Chad was arrested in June 2020, immediately after authorities unearthed the bodies of Tylee and JJ in his backyard. He has also remained in custody.

Yeliab wrote: ↑March 12th, 2022, 8:32 am Short version, he is accused of being involved with the murders of two of his stepchildren, and possibly two or three others including his deceased wife that allowed him to marry this thing he is currently married to. He came off as the ultimate prepper/seer to a lot and I mean a lot of people, a true multi-level marketer/car salesman who had a lot of followers because he claimed to be a "seer," prophet and revelatory who had the "real and true priesthood." He had portals in his closet, kitchen, garage, car, pretty much anywhere he was, he could cross back and forth between dimensions and worlds and showed where he was next to Jesus Christ or maybe even a bit higher up in the Celestial realms. He was married to umpteen women in multiple life times on this earth and planets like Zebu and X and who knows where else. Then he began to show his true colors and people started dropping dead or disappearing for several months only to show up either buried wrapped in garbage bags or burned in a bonfire circle. He and the thing he married have been in jail awaiting trial for about a year almost or possibly a little more, (I lost track) but then his history gets weird.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If polygamy was so evil and wrong then surely the devil would have deceived Chad into just taking Lori as a second wife rather than murdering his first wife?

What’s so strange is that he wrote TBM books. I have at least one on my shelf in England.

And he was having an affair w/ Lori before his first wife died. Lori even bought a wedding ring weeks before Tamara was killed.

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑March 13th, 2022, 8:14 am And he was having an affair w/ Lori before his first wife died. Lori even bought a wedding ring weeks before Tamara was killed.

I felt a creepy vibe when I sent my care package as one post called it, because his name began with CH.

GOD WORKS IN MYSTERIOUS WAYS

As a side caveat, be careful about assigning guilt to anyone in this case just yet. WE DO NOT have all the evidence. All we have to go on is speculation and press leaks, err releases from the law enforcement agencies in Idaho and Arizona. I am not implying for a second that Chad and or Lori is not guilty here. However, unless we were there at the time of the murders, or we are privy to ALL the evidence AND there is ironclad PROOF that Chad was directly involved or through conspiracy, WE SIMPLY DO NOT KNOW. Chad's nutzoid is clearly documented, along with several other "believers" actions and words. Any one or more of his followers could have done the crimes... Personally, I think Alex committed the murders and "someone" got to him. I think he and his wife and likely C&L were also involved with Mexican or South American drug running OR people trafficking. Alex and or Zulema were going to Mexico/S.A. a lot prior to Alex's demise. IF that is a correct line of thought, that would definitely cast a different light on the whole terrible case. What evidence do I have, you might ask?

Well, for one or two points, the girl, was burned, Cartel fashion. The boy was wrapped and buried, Cartel fashion. Alex got dead in typical Cartel fashion. Chad's wife, well, we simply don't know the full details of her demise yet. So, based on the Cartels' methods, Alex could easily have learned what to do during his frequent visits to that region. Or, IF a deal wasn't honored or IF Alex, Lori, Zulema, Chad, J, H, or ANY of their inner circle of whack jobs did something or didn't do something that ticked off the Cartels, the method of killing fits their agenda very well.

Lastly, Chad still has quite a following over at the other place where he reigned supreme (yes I was a paying member of that place for a long time) and from what I have picked up in here, he just might have some followers in here as well. Is he guilty of murder? I don't know because I wasn't there when the murders were committed, nor do I have access to ALL of the evidence that has been collected. I do see many abnormalities from the prosecutorial conduct in the handling of the case. That does not mean that I think Chad is innocent. That does mean that with a sharp defense, Chad and possibly Lori has an excellent case for appeal that is building.

Yeliab wrote: ↑March 16th, 2022, 8:44 am As a side caveat, be careful about assigning guilt to anyone in this case just yet.

In general, a very good advice. People are innocent until proven guilty.

I just don't know what to think when this advice is followed by a wild speculation about drug cartels and/or human trafficking...

In a conspiracy to commit murder, each person who planned or aided in any way is just as guilty as the one who who did the deed. In fact, in murder-for-hire conspiracies the person hiring the hit man very often gets a harsher sentence than the killer.

If Chad and Lori knew the children were dead and buried on Chad’s property, and did not inform authorities, that alone is enough for many years in prison. Accessory after the fact. That is just the tip of the iceberg of charges against these two.

inho wrote: ↑March 16th, 2022, 9:05 am

Yeliab wrote: ↑March 16th, 2022, 8:44 am As a side caveat, be careful about assigning guilt to anyone in this case just yet.

In general, a very good advice. People are innocent until proven guilty.

I just don't know what to think when this advice is followed by a wild speculation about drug cartels and/or human trafficking...

The cartel suggestion is NOT a wild speculation. But, the cartel angle is not mine, I am going off of what the law enforcement folks in Texas and Arizona have explored and have not closed the door on just yet. Why so many burner phones? Another similarity in drug and or human trafficking. I still think Alex was the hitman for the group. I am not defending Chad in the least, OR the thing, but what I am suggesting that there is far more to this than we will likely ever know in fullness on this side of life.

The bottom line goes back to a point I made early on in this discussion, we can "what if" all day long, and unless, we have direct knowledge of the case and all point about it, all we have is what the law enforcement folks want us to have via the media and more importantly, speculation. There is always the possibility at this point that, Chad is innocent and even Lori as well. This could all have come from Alex or someone else trying to demonstrate total loyalty to Chad and or Lori. Is it probable that they are totally innocent? NO! Possible? yes. Until all the evidence is presented and properly adjudicated, there is always a chance that there might be a piece of evidence that will exonerate one or all of them. I do hope that IF they are in fact guilty of those children's murders, they receive 100 years in the electric chair... By that same token, IF Chad is not guilty of involvement with any of this, I do hope he gets extremely wealthy from the massive lawsuits he will file. Personally, I am leaning hard toward that 100 years in the electric chair and I will gladly press the first buttons.

Apparently Tammy Daybell was aware of the affair between Chad and Lori. Charles Vallow had emailed her about it, I believe.
And while they all deserve their day in court, I do think Chad is guilty here. He sent a text to his wife about shooting a big racoon in the yard and burying it in the pet cemetary. And burning debris in the yard. The "racoon" was Tylee.