False Prophets

[Fred]

Luke quotes in Acts 2:17, In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people; your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.

So when someone posts a video and says that they had a vision or dream, it gets my interest and I look at it with an open mind and give them the benefit of the doubt.

Have you noticed a dramatic increase in false prophets? Or is it just that more people are taking to making Youtube videos? These people seem to be serious and act as if they actually believe that God spoke with them. And maybe He did some of them, but some are really out there.

Once in a while someone posts a supposed prophecy and someone else will say that it won't happen, and sure enough, when the day comes, it didn't happen. But if one of these people was to be accurate, we might ought to take notice. Unlike RMN, mostly all of these people say Thus saith the Lord.

So maybe we ought to collect these prophecies and see if any of them materialize.

I will start with this one:

[Fred]

This guy does not profess to be a prophet, but he says that some Ukranians were being confronted by many Russian tanks and they would likely be over powered quickly. But a bolt of something like lightning came out of the sky and destroyed the tanks. He says it was like a space ship. He attributed the miracle to God.

[blitzinstripes]

This forum is home to a multitude of false prophets. Last I checked there were several Davidic servants, and a couple of incarnated Holy Ghosts hanging out in the basement. I suppose they start out harmless enough, simply delusional and stoking their own egos. Then they find a few weak sheep, or worse- a few like minded quacks, and next thing you know we have another Chad Daybell.
If the internet has taught me anything, it is that mental illness is REAL.

[blitzinstripes]

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March 8th

[Niemand]

There have been a large host of false prophets since the 60s and 70s.

The biggest false prophet of all is the Google search engine and this site uses it.

[simpleton]

This forum is home to a multitude of false prophets. Last I checked there were several Davidic servants, and a couple of incarnated Holy Ghosts hanging out in the basement. I suppose they start out harmless enough, simply delusional and stoking their own egos. Then they find a few weak sheep, or worse- a few like minded quacks, and next thing you know we have another Chad Daybell.
If the internet has taught me anything, it is that mental illness is REAL.

And/or spiritual deception is real, the power of the devil and his minions/legions is real. But we today, like to put a nicer term on it and call it mental illness or chemical imbalance.

[blitzinstripes]

I've noticed that a lot of people fall into that trap when they start messing around with esoteric stuff, trying to force visions and such by means of hallucinagens, meditation, occult practices, etc. "Knock and it shall be opened unto you" also applies to the demonic realm.

[whitesalamander]

I am interesting in learning the epistomological method that one uses to determine the objective truth or falsity of prophets, as it appears the judgements posted here rely either on bias or the existence of some unproven supernatural entity. If there is no verifiable method of determination, I would be very careful in accepting any sort of prophetic claims or their source.

[XEmilyX]

I have a feeling that most prophecies right now and in the near future are mostly just from the adversary. And so will spiritual visitations be demons of light rather than angels.

But WHY is this happening?
What purpose and end goal is the adversary thinking of? Other than destruction of the soul. I mean does it make people not believe those who WILL have spiritual prophecies that are correct?

Because I would be interested in knowing what the real reason for all the major deception going on right now. I recently spoke with a woman who has had over 500 pages of "god" talking to her. Idk if it's mostly God or mostly a demon she did say she had to check a few times. It's not impossible honestly but 500 seems a bit much.
Another woman believes she's being translated gradually (which doesn't happen, it's never happened that way in the scriptures)
Another man I know of spoke to invisible angels however communicated that I was not speaking to an angel, (which was accurate however I was decieved at the time) he still was incorrect in other things
I know of a woman who prophesies and most of her predictions of me are incorrect and never happen.
I know a few others who claim to know the spiritual gifts of another and were entirely incorrect about my gifts because they said I wasn't an empath when I was. I feel people's emotions. Lol
I know a woman who has spiritual gifts and ended up screaming at me through text (so spiritual lol) and not helping me on a Sunday.
I've heard countless people with gifts say things like (I cant give you a blessing it's God's will) (I am not supposed to help you it's God's will you're not helped) I've heard it all. Lol

I have yet to meet a person who actually speaks with angels at this point and recieves instruction from the Holy ghost lol.
I have yet to see a person have a gift from God rather than the adversary.
Because I think a majority of them were incorrect.
If you search for these people, people with gifts, you will find them however I don't think they have this gift from God or they're not getting things from the right source.

[Thinker]

I've noticed that a lot of people fall into that trap when they start messing around with esoteric stuff, trying to force visions and such by means of hallucinagens, meditation, occult practices, etc. "Knock and it shall be opened unto you" also applies to the demonic realm.

True. That is why it is essential to do the work only one can do for oneself (as Christ taught but most Christians ignore probably because it’s hard).

[Lizzy60]

This guy does not profess to be a prophet, but he says that some Ukranians were being confronted by many Russian tanks and they would likely be over powered quickly. But a bolt of something like lightning came out of the sky and destroyed the tanks. He says it was like a space ship. He attributed the miracle to God.

Beware of the antichrist:

Revelation 13:
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

[Momma J]

While I agree that there is an uptick of false prophets, is it wrong to believe that the veil is thinning and some are receiving guidance from beyond?

Quoted from the OP above

Luke quotes in Acts 2:17, In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people; your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.

I bare testimony that some are indeed receiving guidance from beyond the veil. I have received personal instruction. (Not a prophesy) I cannot tell you what will happen tomorrow, nor do I know anything exciting that needs to be passed on. I simply know that I have received personal instructions from two separate personages (One known to me).

Some might deem me "Crazy" ... My Dad gave me a blessing after the second visitation. He broke down in tears after the blessing and said that he too could feel others in the room with us. I guess many would deem the two of us "Crazy"

Pray with pure intent. Stay Strong. Read the scriptures and follow the teachings of our Savior. Most of all STAY STRONG... Evil is all around but our God is stronger if we will remember our covenants.

Whether or not our homes are paid off and we have a huge stockpile of storage is irrelevant. They are creature comforts. The pain and suffering that many will endure are temporal. Many will break. Stay Strong.

[Fred]

While I agree that there is an uptick of false prophets, is it wrong to believe that the veil is thinning and some are receiving guidance from beyond?

Quoted from the OP above

Luke quotes in Acts 2:17, In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people; your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.

I bare testimony that some are indeed receiving guidance from beyond the veil. I have received personal instruction. (Not a prophesy) I cannot tell you what will happen tomorrow, nor do I know anything exciting that needs to be passed on. I simply know that I have received personal instructions from two separate personages (One known to me).

Some might deem me "Crazy" ... My Dad gave me a blessing after the second visitation. He broke down in tears after the blessing and said that he too could feel others in the room with us. I guess many would deem the two of us "Crazy"

Pray with pure intent. Stay Strong. Read the scriptures and follow the teachings of our Savior. Most of all STAY STRONG... Evil is all around but our God is stronger if we will remember our covenants.

Whether or not our homes are paid off and we have a huge stockpile of storage is irrelevant. They are creature comforts. The pain and suffering that many will endure are temporal. Many will break. Stay Strong.

I agree. I have personally received protection that is out of this world.

Also, the earthquakes and other devastation will not happen everywhere. The scriptures say "divers" places. So some people may not suffer much discomfort at all, other than high prices, crime, and fake news which we all have anyway.

[SJR3t2]

In Matt 7:15-20 Jesus teaches us that we shall know prophets by their fruits. Matt 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Jesus did not say you shall know their fruits of being a prophet after you believe you believe they are a prophet. On the contrary, Jesus is showing us one important principle of not being deceived. Before you can know that some is the title that they claim to have from God, you must know of their fruits. We must have knowledge of the fruits of the title before we can study it out in our minds before we take it to the Lord for confirmation that the title comes from Him, see D&C 9:8.
https://seekingyhwh.org/2015/10/04/in-h ... yesterday/

[TheDuke]

Well, I don't think anyone can be put into the category of prophets unless they claim to speak for the Lord. so, just having dreams and sharing them, doesn't seem to be a prophetic thing and cannot be a "false prophet".

I have read many convincing prophecies here on LDS FF. I cannot name one that has happened (conclusively), yet I listened with open ears.

but, then again, I have had spiritual experiences that were like prophecy, and they didn't turnout like I thought. Joseph had many attempts at implementing what he felt was revelation/prophecy and most didn't work out either. But like stated above, it would seem that only a few would receive prophecy from god for the masses. Prophecy for us or personal revelation seems far greater and necessary as the adversary ratchets down truth and ramps up lies mostly universally. I mean you almost need revelation just to understand something that for years was just first nature and common sense. Back then there would seem less need for the spirit to be around as truth seemed more prevalent.

The statement in the OP about children receiving revelations, doesn't say how many or how often, but that it will happen.

I'm also not sure the "fruits" story helps much. Take Amos, he was unknown in all the world, a farmer when called. We only get to see his fruits after the destruction, way too late. I'm not sure that for real prophecies, vs. standard revelation and truths, you can get much from their fruits in real-time. Of course hindsight is 20-20 (or was before we started rewriting history).

[Being There]

This forum is home to a multitude of false prophets. Last I checked there were several Davidic servants, and a couple of incarnated Holy Ghosts hanging out in the basement. I suppose they start out harmless enough, simply delusional and stoking their own egos. Then they find a few weak sheep, or worse- a few like minded quacks, and next thing you know we have another Chad Daybell.
If the internet has taught me anything, it is that mental illness is REAL.

False Prophets ?
look no further than the LDS church.

Some of what you're describing, -
" I suppose they start out harmless enough, simply delusional and stoking their own egos.
Then they find a few weak sheep"

Sounds more like the multitude of false prophets - in the BIG AND SPACIOUS BUILDING
down on Temple Square




with their other Big Buildings they've Built up to Babylon.

Building Babylon BIGGER.
building expensive shopping malls for only the rich.

It's obvious the Lord's church has been corrupted by men that care more about making money - $100B+
Building Babylon Bigger, than they do in sharing the true Gospel and doctrine of Christ
and being an example of it.

The church is really a corporate conglomerate -
The Corporation of the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter - day Saints.
"The Mormon church is actually a corporate conglomerate.
Behind the religious front are dozens of companies earning hundreds of millions of dollars a year." .

I guess that's the goal of the restored gospel - is to make as much money as it can. (100B+)
so we can build Billion dollar Shopping Malls and lead the way in Babylon, and show just what a great example we are to all the World.

And I was unaware that this was one of the responsibilities of prophets and apostles
and what the Lord would want them to be doing.

just an example of their rotten fruit.

"When it came time to cut the mall’s flouncy pink ribbon, Monson, flanked by Utah dignitaries, cheered,
"1 2 3 Let's Go Shopping!"

[BeNotDeceived]

images.jpegMarch 8th

Nice post,

while avoiding the question here: viewtopic.php?p=1248028#p1248028

Much like Taki,
when it comes down to brass tacks,
you vanish or fail to respond in any meaningful way.

Maybe someone will one day come up with a numerator to divide by a denominator represented by the number of minutes in years.

[Being There]

This forum is home to a multitude of false prophets. Last I checked there were several Davidic servants, and a couple of incarnated Holy Ghosts hanging out in the basement. I suppose they start out harmless enough, simply delusional and stoking their own egos. Then they find a few weak sheep, or worse- a few like minded quacks, and next thing you know we have another Chad Daybell.
If the internet has taught me anything, it is that mental illness is REAL.

False Prophets ?
look no further that the LDS church.

Some of what you're describing -
" I suppose they start out harmless enough, simply delusional and stoking their own egos.
Then they find a few weak sheep"

Sounds more like the multitude of false prophets - in the BIG AND SPACIOUS BUILDING
down on Temple Square




with their other Big Buildings they've Built up to Babylon.

Building Babylon BIGGER.
building expensive shopping malls for only the rich.

It's obvious the Lord's church has been corrupted by men that care more about making money - $100B+
Building Babylon Bigger, than they do in sharing the true Gospel and doctrine of Christ
and being an example of it.

The church is really a corporate conglomerate -
The Corporation of the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter - day Saints.
"The Mormon church is actually a corporate conglomerate.
Behind the religious front are dozens of companies earning hundreds of millions of dollars a year." .

I guess that's the goal of the restored gospel - is to make as much money as it can. (100B+)
so we can build Billion dollar Shopping Malls and lead the way in Babylon, and show just what a great example we are to all the World.

And I was unaware that this was one of the responsibilities of prophets and apostles
and what the Lord would want them to be doing.

just an example of their rotten fruit.

"When it came time to cut the mall’s flouncy pink ribbon, Monson, flanked by Utah dignitaries, cheered,
"1 2 3 Let's Go Shopping!"

"The leaders of these people have misled them, and those who are led are confused” (Isaiah 9:13–16).
(sounds like the current status of the church - it's leaders, and members who follow them)

Isaiah 28
Ephraim and its prophets reap disaster for being delusional and for rejecting divine revelation.

7 These too have indulged in wine and are giddy with strong drink: priests and prophets have gone astray
through liquor.
They are intoxicated with wine and stagger because of strong drink;
they err as seers, they blunder in their decisions.
8 For all tables are filled with vomit; no spot is without excrement.

Ephraim’s “fat proud ones” (vv 1, 4) include its “priests,” “prophets,” and “seers” (Isaiah 56:10-12).
Intoxicated with the wine of self-deception (v 15), they “stray,” “err,” and “blunder” in their policies.
Instead of obtaining revelation from Jehovah (vv 9, 14, 16, 26, 29), they water down his word until it is ineffectual in empowering his people (vv 10-13; Isaiah 32:6). The best their spiritual feasts offer is “vomit”—partly digested food regurgitated for Jehovah’s people to consume.


Isaiah 29

9 Procrastinate, and become bewildered;
preoccupy yourselves, until you cry for help.
Be drunk, but not with wine;
stagger, but not from strong drink.
10 Jehovah has poured out on you
a spirit of deep sleep:
he has shut your eyes, the prophets;
he has covered your heads, the seers.


Jehovah’s people who are here addressed are chronically delusional
to the point of slumbering in a deep sleep.
Having procrastinated the day of their salvation by buying into dreamlike deceptions and fantasies, they grow “bewildered” and “cry for help” when Jehovah’s judgments come upon them.
As a people’s leaders generally reflect the people themselves, so all are spiritually “drunk” and “stagger”
instead of walking straight.
The prophets and seers—the people’s “eyes” and “heads”—can’t awaken them to spiritual realities because they themselves are intoxicated and asleep(Isaiah 28:7; 56:9-12).

[Mamabear]

False prophets don’t prophecy.
They don’t warn the people.
They don’t teach repentance and call out evil.
They don’t perform miracles.
They aren’t persecuted.
They have not received their calling, authority, and priesthood directly from God himself.
They care about being a part of the world.
They care about money, gain, and riches.
They claim all is well in Zion.
They flatter their followers.
They teach a watered down version of the gospel.
They set themselves up as a light.
They preach to their followers to follow what they say.
They teach false doctrine.

[Being There]

False prophets don’t prophesy.
They don’t warn the people.
They don’t teach repentance and call out evil.
They don’t perform miracles.
They aren’t persecuted.
They have not received their calling, authority, and priesthood directly from God himself.
They care about being a part of the world.
They care about money, gain, and riches.
They claim all is well in Zion.
They flatter their followers.
They teach a watered down version of the gospel.
They set themselves up as a light.
They preach to their followers to follow what they say.
They teach false doctrine.

what else is there to even say.
This sums it up pretty good; describing our present - day church leaders.

I would also like to add -
Some false prophets prophesy false prophecies.
In our church,
these False prophets don’t prophesy,
because they aren't prophets and don't receive revelation from the Lord,
because the Lord no longer leads the church and hasn't for many many years.
The Lord left us long long ago, when church leaders started making their own decisions - instead of seeking
the Lord's spirit to lead them.

And the Church left the Lord long long ago - when it went it's own way - making it's own decisions
and being more and more involved in Babylon - where it could fit into the World and make a lot of money -
instead of being the peculiar people that we once were, we are "GOOD GLOBAL CITIZENS"
and have become part of that GREAT and abominable church" of the devil."
So the Lord left us - left us to deal with the consequences of our own decisions. (as we can now see)

[InfoWarrior82]

Well, I don't think anyone can be put into the category of prophets unless they claim to speak for the Lord. so, just having dreams and sharing them, doesn't seem to be a prophetic thing and cannot be a "false prophet".

I have read many convincing prophecies here on LDS FF. I cannot name one that has happened (conclusively), yet I listened with open ears.

but, then again, I have had spiritual experiences that were like prophecy, and they didn't turnout like I thought. Joseph had many attempts at implementing what he felt was revelation/prophecy and most didn't work out either. But like stated above, it would seem that only a few would receive prophecy from god for the masses. Prophecy for us or personal revelation seems far greater and necessary as the adversary ratchets down truth and ramps up lies mostly universally. I mean you almost need revelation just to understand something that for years was just first nature and common sense. Back then there would seem less need for the spirit to be around as truth seemed more prevalent.

The statement in the OP about children receiving revelations, doesn't say how many or how often, but that it will happen.

I'm also not sure the "fruits" story helps much. Take Amos, he was unknown in all the world, a farmer when called. We only get to see his fruits after the destruction, way too late. I'm not sure that for real prophecies, vs. standard revelation and truths, you can get much from their fruits in real-time. Of course hindsight is 20-20 (or was before we started rewriting history).

There's much more to fruits of a prophet than just revelation. Does he miraculously heal the sick/injured in the Lord's name? Does he raise the dead in the Lord's name? Does he call out the sins of wicked people to their faces in the Lord's name?

Did we all forget that actual capital P prophets do these things too, or has our understanding been skewed by our current church leaders?

[Mamabear]

Well, I don't think anyone can be put into the category of prophets unless they claim to speak for the Lord. so, just having dreams and sharing them, doesn't seem to be a prophetic thing and cannot be a "false prophet".

I have read many convincing prophecies here on LDS FF. I cannot name one that has happened (conclusively), yet I listened with open ears.

but, then again, I have had spiritual experiences that were like prophecy, and they didn't turnout like I thought. Joseph had many attempts at implementing what he felt was revelation/prophecy and most didn't work out either. But like stated above, it would seem that only a few would receive prophecy from god for the masses. Prophecy for us or personal revelation seems far greater and necessary as the adversary ratchets down truth and ramps up lies mostly universally. I mean you almost need revelation just to understand something that for years was just first nature and common sense. Back then there would seem less need for the spirit to be around as truth seemed more prevalent.

The statement in the OP about children receiving revelations, doesn't say how many or how often, but that it will happen.

I'm also not sure the "fruits" story helps much. Take Amos, he was unknown in all the world, a farmer when called. We only get to see his fruits after the destruction, way too late. I'm not sure that for real prophecies, vs. standard revelation and truths, you can get much from their fruits in real-time. Of course hindsight is 20-20 (or was before we started rewriting history).

There's much more to fruits of a prophet than just revelation. Does he miraculously heal the sick/injured in the Lord's name? Does he raise the dead in the Lord's name? Does he call out the sins of wicked people to their faces in the Lord's name?

Did we all forget that actual capital P prophets do these things too, or has our understanding been skewed by our current church leaders?

True prophets do all things you mentioned. They do it without money….and would never accept money to preach repentance and teach doctrine.
Have you noticed over the years how they talk about repentance generally but will not call out specific sins for our generation? Vanity, materialism, homosexuality, abortion, idolatry, etc.

[TheDuke]

that just isn't true. prophets prophecy. All the other things on the list are extremely optional and you're totally misreading the scriptures. name a single healing for Amos? Abinadi? I could go on. Most prophets were called and prophesied only once. Other did the things you listed. but that is not what a prophet is very often. How many people (of any title) other than Jesus healed more any if more than one person? And lets not focus on one time in their lives (like immediately after the earthquakes in America). again very few, and if you take Jesus out of the list, none routinely healed people. Even Peter only has a couple examples and he lived with Jesus and was the "rock" Jesus left behind.

There is too much expectation here about what you will see from "prophets", just like the Jews waiting for their messiah and they missed it.

Worse, more healing comes from false prophets.

And it is BS they don't take money for it. No one has ever lived on this earth without some form of payment for their work or they did it part-time. Always, the priests were paid in Israel. For millennia the judges in Israel were the priests and were paid. Samuel being a great example. If they didn't get paid then they were part time, unless you have some examples of extremely wealthy prophets (please bring them)?

In general the scriptures fully and almost totally discount the statements above. Other than seeing if prophecy comes true or the spirit confirms true prophecy to you, there is no other way to distinguish a true prophet, otherwise, even the "elect" would be deceived.

[InfoWarrior82]

that just isn't true. prophets prophecy. All the other things on the list are extremely optional and you're totally misreading the scriptures. name a single healing for Amos? Abinadi? I could go on. Most prophets were called and prophesied only once. Other did the things you listed. but that is not what a prophet is very often. How many people (of any title) other than Jesus healed more any if more than one person? And lets not focus on one time in their lives (like immediately after the earthquakes in America). again very few, and if you take Jesus out of the list, none routinely healed people. Even Peter only has a couple examples and he lived with Jesus and was the "rock" Jesus left behind.

There is too much expectation here about what you will see from "prophets", just like the Jews waiting for their messiah and they missed it.

Worse, more healing comes from false prophets.

And it is BS they don't take money for it. No one has ever lived on this earth without some form of payment for their work or they did it part-time. Always, the priests were paid in Israel. For millennia the judges in Israel were the priests and were paid. Samuel being a great example. If they didn't get paid then they were part time, unless you have some examples of extremely wealthy prophets (please bring them)?

In general the scriptures fully and almost totally discount the statements above. Other than seeing if prophecy comes true or the spirit confirms true prophecy to you, there is no other way to distinguish a true prophet, otherwise, even the "elect" would be deceived.

You forget that these men call themselves apostles, prophets, seers, and revelators who claim to have all the keys of the priesthood. So, my point stands.

[InfoWarrior82]

Well, I don't think anyone can be put into the category of prophets unless they claim to speak for the Lord. so, just having dreams and sharing them, doesn't seem to be a prophetic thing and cannot be a "false prophet".

I have read many convincing prophecies here on LDS FF. I cannot name one that has happened (conclusively), yet I listened with open ears.

but, then again, I have had spiritual experiences that were like prophecy, and they didn't turnout like I thought. Joseph had many attempts at implementing what he felt was revelation/prophecy and most didn't work out either. But like stated above, it would seem that only a few would receive prophecy from god for the masses. Prophecy for us or personal revelation seems far greater and necessary as the adversary ratchets down truth and ramps up lies mostly universally. I mean you almost need revelation just to understand something that for years was just first nature and common sense. Back then there would seem less need for the spirit to be around as truth seemed more prevalent.

The statement in the OP about children receiving revelations, doesn't say how many or how often, but that it will happen.

I'm also not sure the "fruits" story helps much. Take Amos, he was unknown in all the world, a farmer when called. We only get to see his fruits after the destruction, way too late. I'm not sure that for real prophecies, vs. standard revelation and truths, you can get much from their fruits in real-time. Of course hindsight is 20-20 (or was before we started rewriting history).

There's much more to fruits of a prophet than just revelation. Does he miraculously heal the sick/injured in the Lord's name? Does he raise the dead in the Lord's name? Does he call out the sins of wicked people to their faces in the Lord's name?

Did we all forget that actual capital P prophets do these things too, or has our understanding been skewed by our current church leaders?

True prophets do all things you mentioned. They do it without money….and would never accept money to preach repentance and teach doctrine.
Have you noticed over the years how they talk about repentance generally but will not call out specific sins for our generation? Vanity, materialism, homosexuality, abortion, idolatry, etc.

Exactly. They have never stood before someone in worldly power and called out their sins to their faces. These men are frauds.