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Yeah, I thought he sounded gay, and then when he talked about being available for firesides, I looked him up. He has a book too.

http://www.dennisschleicher.net/about-the-author/

Robin Hood wrote: ↑March 9th, 2022, 2:37 pm

Niemand wrote: ↑March 8th, 2022, 5:16 pm

Robin Hood wrote: ↑March 8th, 2022, 10:02 am

Artaxerxes wrote: ↑March 8th, 2022, 9:19 am

Yes, when has anyone ever bought a headstone when their spouse died and put their own name on it intending to be buried there!?!?!

Maybe it's an American thing, but that doesn't happen here.
Space is left for another name etc to be added, but we would never put names and details of a living person on a headstone in anticipation of their death.

It happened with my parents' gravestone. My father died first. My mother's name was on it. So is mine, which is strange when I think about it.

In what context is your name on it? As son of, or you're buried there?

The first one. But I have thought about being buried with rhem since getting a new lair/plot is so expensive. Death is a costly business.

One of my friends said he thought it was unusual for a living person to be on a gravestone, but that was my mother's doing.

oneClimbs wrote: ↑March 8th, 2022, 2:16 pm
That's clearly not as big as a kitchen table unless it is an American Girl doll kitchen table (I have four daughters). See that little cheap US flag down there, those are about the size of the palm of your hand. That's either a 4x6" or a 5x8" flag. Judging by the size of the stick, let's say it's the bigger 5x8" if you go off the top side which is straight, that's 8" so if you use that to measure the base and the top (which I did real quick in Photoshop) you're looking at about 40" or so which is 3.33' which is close to my estimate before of 3' (I was in construction for years and am pretty good at estimating the sizes of things by eye). The width looks to be about 20" so this isn't exactly an imposing monument. It needs to be big enough to feature the names of the six people that are on it anyway.

Oops...unless the dude in the video is 2 feet tall, it is clearly much higher than 3 feet.

Even if the guy is medium height, the monument is clearly over 6 feet tall.

Atrasado wrote: ↑March 9th, 2022, 9:12 am I know how to use Photoshop, I've cut a lot of grass in my time, and I'm pretty good at making estimates. It doesn't look eight feet tall to me, either. But I haven't BEEN THERE, and neither have you. Things that seem certain in a picture can be wildly different in real life.

In the SLTrib it says, "mourners strolling through the northwest quadrant of the historic Salt Lake City Cemetery might be startled to see a tall granite shaft emblazoned with the name Russell M. Nelson and the words "Seventeenth President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."" I'm assuming that if it is "tall" and it startles people it isn't 3.5 feet tall. Here's a picture from the blog post that claims it is eight feet tall.



Obviously, President and Sister Nelson were photoshopped in, but this angle gives a much different view of the size of the headstone and the American flag in front of it. I think it probably is eight feet tall. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's the case.

The little American flag at the bottom does give some sense of scale. It's obviously not a full scale Stars and Stripes, but one can gauge a rough size from it. Those wee flags tend to come in a couple of sizes.

My main objection here is the slightly smug sign saying it was made out of temple stone. None of us will ever get such a thing, but it seems he got his tombstone paid for out of church funds.

The view is looking North. The monument is on Uintah street within the cemetery. It is 10 or so feet from the road. It is 88 inches tall, of which 8 inches is the base. It is 44 inches wide. The snow is nearly a foot deep.
There was deer tracks a couple feet away.

The Red Pill wrote: ↑March 9th, 2022, 4:28 pm

oneClimbs wrote: ↑March 8th, 2022, 2:16 pm
That's clearly not as big as a kitchen table unless it is an American Girl doll kitchen table (I have four daughters). See that little cheap US flag down there, those are about the size of the palm of your hand. That's either a 4x6" or a 5x8" flag. Judging by the size of the stick, let's say it's the bigger 5x8" if you go off the top side which is straight, that's 8" so if you use that to measure the base and the top (which I did real quick in Photoshop) you're looking at about 40" or so which is 3.33' which is close to my estimate before of 3' (I was in construction for years and am pretty good at estimating the sizes of things by eye). The width looks to be about 20" so this isn't exactly an imposing monument. It needs to be big enough to feature the names of the six people that are on it anyway.

Oops...unless the dude in the video is 2 feet tall, it is clearly much higher than 3 feet.

Even if the guy is medium height, the monument is clearly over 6 feet tall.

Sometimes our calculations and confidence in our own abilities run away from us.

Fred wrote: ↑March 9th, 2022, 5:03 pm The view is looking North. The monument is on Uintah street within the cemetery. It is 10 or so feet from the road. It is 88 inches tall, of which 8 inches is the base. It is 44 inches wide. The snow is nearly a foot deep.

headstone.jpg

headstone-h.jpg

There was deer tracks a couple feet away.

Was it deer, or Satyr?

Lexew1899 wrote: ↑March 9th, 2022, 5:09 pm

Fred wrote: ↑March 9th, 2022, 5:03 pm The view is looking North. The monument is on Uintah street within the cemetery. It is 10 or so feet from the road. It is 88 inches tall, of which 8 inches is the base. It is 44 inches wide. The snow is nearly a foot deep.

headstone.jpg

headstone-h.jpg

There was deer tracks a couple feet away.

Was it deer, or Satyr?

Satyr and Silenus, in Greek mythology, creatures of the wild, part man and part beast, who in Classical times were closely associated with the god Dionysus. Their Italian counterparts were the Fauns (see Faunus). Satyrs and Sileni were at first represented as uncouth men, each with a horse’s tail and ears and an erect phallus. In the Hellenistic age they were represented as men having a goat’s legs and tail.

I can't say for sure as all I saw was the tracks.

Fred wrote: ↑March 9th, 2022, 5:03 pm The view is looking North. The monument is on Uintah street within the cemetery. It is 10 or so feet from the road. It is 88 inches tall, of which 8 inches is the base. It is 44 inches wide. The snow is nearly a foot deep.

headstone.jpg

headstone-h.jpg

There was deer tracks a couple feet away.

Wow, that’s one heck of an American Girl Doll table.

Impressive footwork on your part, Fred! Thanks for your diligence. Have you considered a career as a Myth Buster?

Fred wrote: ↑March 9th, 2022, 5:03 pm The view is looking North. The monument is on Uintah street within the cemetery. It is 10 or so feet from the road. It is 88 inches tall, of which 8 inches is the base. It is 44 inches wide. The snow is nearly a foot deep.

headstone.jpg

headstone-h.jpg

There was deer tracks a couple feet away.

Well done Fred!

Nice work, Fred. I like your style.

Not all heroes wear capes.

BIG shout-out to Fred for capturing the fine images of the RMN guidestone!!

The Red Pill wrote: ↑March 9th, 2022, 6:56 pm BIG shout-out to Fred for capturing the fine images of the RMN guidestone!!

Lol the "Salt Lake guide stones"!

What do they say? Safe and effective? Godsend? Be a good global citizen? Wear a mask? Reduce the global population to "sustainable" levels?

Fred wrote: ↑March 9th, 2022, 5:03 pm The view is looking North. The monument is on Uintah street within the cemetery. It is 10 or so feet from the road. It is 88 inches tall, of which 8 inches is the base. It is 44 inches wide. The snow is nearly a foot deep.

headstone.jpg

headstone-h.jpg

There was deer tracks a couple feet away.

Awesome, some closure finally! I was hoping for some more Photoshop battles but now we know for sure! Hat's off to you braving that cold to get us some raw data, that was legendary sir!

762X545 wrote: ↑March 8th, 2022, 3:10 pm

The Red Pill wrote: ↑March 8th, 2022, 9:18 am Great men NEVER write their own obituaries or prepare monuments for themselves...

THEY DON'T HAVE TO!!!!!!!!

I designed my headstone ahead of my departure. I didn't want my wife putting something gay like a temple silhouette or some other lame design on it. I chose what I wanted and the design, rock etc.

You crack me up

Niemand wrote: ↑March 9th, 2022, 4:09 pm

Robin Hood wrote: ↑March 9th, 2022, 2:37 pm

Niemand wrote: ↑March 8th, 2022, 5:16 pm

Robin Hood wrote: ↑March 8th, 2022, 10:02 am

Maybe it's an American thing, but that doesn't happen here.
Space is left for another name etc to be added, but we would never put names and details of a living person on a headstone in anticipation of their death.

It happened with my parents' gravestone. My father died first. My mother's name was on it. So is mine, which is strange when I think about it.

In what context is your name on it? As son of, or you're buried there?

The first one. But I have thought about being buried with rhem since getting a new lair/plot is so expensive. Death is a costly business.

One of my friends said he thought it was unusual for a living person to be on a gravestone, but that was my mother's doing.

No, that's not so unusual. Children are often mentioned on headstones.
That is not what the OP was about.

Thanks, Fred!

Fred wrote: ↑March 9th, 2022, 5:03 pm The view is looking North. The monument is on Uintah street within the cemetery. It is 10 or so feet from the road. It is 88 inches tall, of which 8 inches is the base. It is 44 inches wide. The snow is nearly a foot deep.

headstone.jpg

headstone-h.jpg

There was deer tracks a couple feet away.

I wonder if in the next Northern Utah earthquake it will crack and fall over... Sort of a fitting bookend to Moroni losing his trumpet.

Thanks Fred.

I too have been able to secure some exclusive pictures of the Nelson grave. It's huge and I was shocked at how extravagant it was.

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What? You meant Russell M. Nelson? Who's he? I thought you meant someone historically important like Admiral Nelson, the guy who won the Battle of Trafalgar against Napoleon's forces.

This has become my favorite thread of the year. This is what the FF is all about.

Ok, let's all take a breath for a moment. First there are literally thousands upon thousands of pieces of ALL Temples from all over the world that are discarded into piles of debris to be buried, crushed, REPURPOSED and so on and on. Next, All one has to do is walk through any graveyard with headstones, and you will see many headstones with the deceased name as well as their spouses and children already carved in. OF all the things we can get our knickers knotted over, this one beats most I have seen in a long time. There are pieces of the Nauvoo Temple sold by the boatloads here all the time. These stones are break-offs, waste, stones that didn't fit right or where mistakes were made and then set aside. When the Temple was rebuilt, hundreds of people from Utah came here to "volunteer" to help, and entire pallets of stone were taken from the site. Then after the construction was complete, there was a giant pile of the waste that was hauled to a spot nearby. The Temple was dedicated 20 years ago and people are still finding chunks and pieces all over the area. I was putting in my garden here just two years ago and unearthed chunks of the ORIGINAL Temple stone large enough to do a headstone comparable to the RMN marker. I thought, "hey, this would look good as a headstone."

In any major renovation of the magnitude of the SLCT there will be literally tons of stone either not used or removed due to damage or improper fit or just plain old left over. What is the problem with a family obtaining a piece and having their family names carved in when they are planning on having their family buried together in the same plot????

Folks, let's exhale just a wee bit and find something serious to be torqued over. Something like the vaxxxx photo op or the infamous letters from August 2021 or the millions donated to the UN, NAACP/BLM etc etc etc....

I could care less what they do in their personal life. Big headstone is fine if that's what he wants. My only problem with these church leader types is there insistance in claiming to speak for God when they clearly don't.

I can imagine someone from the church PR team reading this thread right now… and the resultant GC talks coming up that we oh so totally deserve.

Bad, LDSFF, bad!!!

You know you can go to "Find a Grave" and look up all the photos you want of prophets graves. I found a photo of me and my son in front of Hinckley's. It's taller than my husband who is 6'1".

I only need refer to these people by their Christian names - Emma, Joseph and Hyrum - you know who they are.