RMN’s headstone

[oneClimbs]

I have a piece of granite on my shelf right now from the San Antonio Temple construction site. Let's say I wanted it embedded into my gravestone because I love my local temple so much. Is that narcissistic?

Is it as big as a kitchen table and include your "highest" priesthood calling on it? Was it hewn by the hands of impoverished pioneers who sacrificed their all for Zion?

Can we just say it plainly? It's not normal to have an enormous granite pillar from a pioneer temple sitting on top of you and your two dead spouses. And wasn't that the point? To distinguish him from everyone else?

That's clearly not as big as a kitchen table unless it is an American Girl doll kitchen table (I have four daughters). See that little cheap US flag down there, those are about the size of the palm of your hand. That's either a 4x6" or a 5x8" flag. Judging by the size of the stick, let's say it's the bigger 5x8" if you go off the top side which is straight, that's 8" so if you use that to measure the base and the top (which I did real quick in Photoshop) you're looking at about 40" or so which is 3.33' which is close to my estimate before of 3' (I was in construction for years and am pretty good at estimating the sizes of things by eye). The width looks to be about 20" so this isn't exactly an imposing monument. It needs to be big enough to feature the names of the six people that are on it anyway.

headstone.jpg

President of the church is a significant thing, it's historical, I'm sure that people put whatever they want on their headstones. I'll bet of all the things he's done in his life, he feels like his time as president of the church is probably the most valuable to him. I think that those pioneers might prefer that their hard work be used for something significant like a headstone rather than just be dumped off somewhere. I'm sure some of that stone may have been used in other ways as well, but once it has no longer served its purpose, it can be used for other things much like the sacrament bread. We used to feed it to the birds afterward. It is just stone after all.

There's a picture of Hinckley's headstone as well and Nelson's looks almost identical. I wonder if there are a bunch of others that look like that out there too. If you've been to a graveyard, there are all kinds of headstones and even some mausoleums that are like little buildings which are much bigger than a little headstone. That one headstone probably uses the same amount of space as if you made three of them. It's quite modest for someone that is the leader of a world religion.

Now if it was a 20' bronze statue of him with an arm lifted high or something, I'd probably be on the side of criticism. I just see this as a big nothing burger.

Well, glad ya feel that way, OC. To my mind, it feels a bit like we have an idolatry problem, but if you're ok with the adulations and monuments, may you be so exalted as to have one of your own some day.

Haha, I know we have a cult of personality problem in the church and I noticed it with Hinckley's churchwide birthday parties but I've come to realize that it has existed long before that. I just think that this headstone business is being blown way out of proportion.

[The Red Pill]

I don’t think anyone here is looking askance at the fact that he’s got his headstone prepared ahead of his demise.

It’s the presumptuousness of having it hewn from temple stone and his clear broadcasting of that fact. Look how high it is in comparison with the other headstones in the cemetery.

I wonder if I could get my gravestone made out a piece of the temple too. Or is that only reserved for the elite?

Not a chance of the unwashed masses getting a hunk of granite from the temple...but...for a price, we maybe, just maybe...be able to get some concrete rubble from the project.

[Niemand]

Great men NEVER write their own obituaries or prepare monuments for themselves...

THEY DON'T HAVE TO!!!!!!!!

Yes, when has anyone ever bought a headstone when their spouse died and put their own name on it intending to be buried there!?!?!

Maybe it's an American thing, but that doesn't happen here.
Space is left for another name etc to be added, but we would never put names and details of a living person on a headstone in anticipation of their death.

It happened with my parents' gravestone. My father died first. My mother's name was on it. So is mine, which is strange when I think about it.

[Serragon]

Is it as big as a kitchen table and include your "highest" priesthood calling on it? Was it hewn by the hands of impoverished pioneers who sacrificed their all for Zion?

Can we just say it plainly? It's not normal to have an enormous granite pillar from a pioneer temple sitting on top of you and your two dead spouses. And wasn't that the point? To distinguish him from everyone else?

That's clearly not as big as a kitchen table unless it is an American Girl doll kitchen table (I have four daughters). See that little cheap US flag down there, those are about the size of the palm of your hand. That's either a 4x6" or a 5x8" flag. Judging by the size of the stick, let's say it's the bigger 5x8" if you go off the top side which is straight, that's 8" so if you use that to measure the base and the top (which I did real quick in Photoshop) you're looking at about 40" or so which is 3.33' which is close to my estimate before of 3' (I was in construction for years and am pretty good at estimating the sizes of things by eye). The width looks to be about 20" so this isn't exactly an imposing monument. It needs to be big enough to feature the names of the six people that are on it anyway.

headstone.jpg

President of the church is a significant thing, it's historical, I'm sure that people put whatever they want on their headstones. I'll bet of all the things he's done in his life, he feels like his time as president of the church is probably the most valuable to him. I think that those pioneers might prefer that their hard work be used for something significant like a headstone rather than just be dumped off somewhere. I'm sure some of that stone may have been used in other ways as well, but once it has no longer served its purpose, it can be used for other things much like the sacrament bread. We used to feed it to the birds afterward. It is just stone after all.

There's a picture of Hinckley's headstone as well and Nelson's looks almost identical. I wonder if there are a bunch of others that look like that out there too. If you've been to a graveyard, there are all kinds of headstones and even some mausoleums that are like little buildings which are much bigger than a little headstone. That one headstone probably uses the same amount of space as if you made three of them. It's quite modest for someone that is the leader of a world religion.

Now if it was a 20' bronze statue of him with an arm lifted high or something, I'd probably be on the side of criticism. I just see this as a big nothing burger.

Well, glad ya feel that way, OC. To my mind, it feels a bit like we have an idolatry problem, but if you're ok with the adulations and monuments, may you be so exalted as to have one of your own some day.

Haha, I know we have a cult of personality problem in the church and I noticed it with Hinckley's churchwide birthday parties but I've come to realize that it has existed long before that. I just think that this headstone business is being blown way out of proportion.

Once we believe that something is true and made it one of our first principles, we tend to find evidence of it everywhere we look even if it really isn't there. No different really than how the progressives see racial oppression as the cause of every problem mankind faces.

[buffalo_girl]

I wonder if I could get my gravestone made out a piece of the temple too. Or is that only reserved for the elite?

"How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?"

Whether in jest or seriousness, the question is thought to be based on what Thomas Aquinas wrote in his Summa Theologica, (circa 1270 AD). In it he proposed several questions about angels, such as "Can several angels be in the same place?

In contrast, I have to regard with reverence the wolf-scattered bones of those who died in Wyoming trying to reach ZION by pulling wood warped handcarts through icy rivers & snow at altitudes and temperatures never before experienced.

[EvanLM]

well, regardless of opinion, under that dirt we all look the same . . .just a mass of bone and fat . . . no headstone or mauselum can change that . . .

that's why I couldn't figure out why tuts body was dragged from place to place . . what is the interest in a dead body ?

we kinda just all look the same and have the same influence . . . the book of life is closed. . . over . . .gone . . .

[EvanLM]

I wonder if I could get my gravestone made out a piece of the temple too. Or is that only reserved for the elite?

"How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?"

Whether in jest or seriousness, the question is thought to be based on what Thomas Aquinas wrote in his Summa Theologica, (circa 1270 AD). In it he proposed several questions about angels, such as "Can several angels be in the same place?

In contrast, I have to regard with reverence the wolf-scattered bones of those who died in Wyoming trying to reach ZION by pulling wood warped handcarts through icy rivers & snow at altitudes and temperatures never before experienced.

one of my gr grandfathers is buried on the platte river . . other members of my family died . . one survived the Martin handcart company disaster . . .I am honored to be their great . . .but they are all dead . . book of life closed . . .

[762X545]

Great men NEVER write their own obituaries or prepare monuments for themselves...

THEY DON'T HAVE TO!!!!!!!!

I designed my headstone ahead of my departure. I didn't want my wife putting something gay like a temple silhouette or some other lame design on it. I chose what I wanted and the design, rock etc.

"gay like a temple silhouette" <- now that's funny use of words right there.

What did you pick? AK-74 chambered in 5.45?

No. Actually an airplane scene and a big dog paw for my two real hobbies. The AKs will be in the casket with me so I can blast my way through the pearly gates when they deny me entry.

[Cruiserdude]

Great men NEVER write their own obituaries or prepare monuments for themselves...

THEY DON'T HAVE TO!!!!!!!!

I designed my headstone ahead of my departure. I didn't want my wife putting something gay like a temple silhouette or some other lame design on it. I chose what I wanted and the design, rock etc.

(grassyass for the laugh hermano!)

[farmerchick]

I was explaining to my gkids the other day that you don't have to fight every battle to win the war.....there is no wisdom in picking an unimportant fight with a sibling or others..especially if you can't win....as g kids do, a fight broke out in my back seat about some supposed weakness of one of them...they were throwing some insults and mounting defenses against each other. I stopped them in the middle of it and asked what good would come out of the word squabble they were having. The younger one said..well nothing..just wanted to point out a fault....the older one said ....well nothing but he wanted to deny the fault.....i said well then there is no point to argue about nothing ...they agreed and we all had a nice time together for the rest of the ride....seriously while the squabble goes on about nothing....the participants and spectators may miss something to argue about that is very important...choose only battles you know you can win or you have to win in order to win the war......conserve your energy for something instead of nothing....rmns grave stone is really very petty and it just seems people want to find faults that really mean nothing.....proverbs chapter two talks about wisdom.... which is experience plus knowledge is wisdom when used for a good outcome....there is no wisdom in this fault finding....imho....just a GMA .02....lol

[Peeps]

What hast thou here? and whom hast thou here, that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock? ~Isaiah 22:16

3 Nephi 23:1
1 And now, behold, I say unto you, that ye ought to search these things. Yea, a commandment I give unto you that ye search these things diligently; for great are the words of Isaiah.

[Peeps]

Great men NEVER write their own obituaries or prepare monuments for themselves...

THEY DON'T HAVE TO!!!!!!!!

I designed my headstone ahead of my departure. I didn't want my wife putting something gay like a temple silhouette or some other lame design on it. I chose what I wanted and the design, rock etc.

(grassyass for the laugh hermano!)

[Peeps]

well, regardless of opinion, under that dirt we all look the same . . .just a mass of bone and fat . . . no headstone or mauselum can change that . . .

that's why I couldn't figure out why tuts body was dragged from place to place . . what is the interest in a dead body ?

we kinda just all look the same and have the same influence . . . the book of life is closed. . . over . . .gone . . .

Maybe because of this?

http://phibious.com/news/death-reloaded ... me-secret/

And this...

Far in the past before Atlantis existed,
men there were who delved into darkness,
using dark magic, calling up beings
from the great deep below us.
Forth came they into this cycle.
Formless were they of another vibration,
existing unseen by the children of earth-men.
Only through blood could they have formed being.
Only through man could they live in the world.

In ages past were they conquered by Masters,
driven below to the place whence they came.
But some there were who remained,
hidden in spaces and planes unknown to man.
Lived they in Atlantis as shadows,
but at times they appeared among men.
Aye, when the blood was offered,
for they came they to dwell among men.

In the form of man they amongst us,
but only to sight were they as are men.
Serpent-headed when the glamour was lifted
but appearing to man as men among men.
Crept they into the Councils,
taking forms that were like unto men.
Slaying by their arts
the chiefs of the kingdoms,
taking their form and ruling o’er man.
Only by magic could they be discovered.
Only by sound could their faces be seen.
Sought they from the Kingdom of shadows
to destroy man and rule in his place.

But, know ye, the Masters were mighty in magic,
able to lift the Veil from the face of the serpent,
able to send him back to his place.
Came they to man and taught him the secret,
the WORD that only a man can pronounce.
Swift then they lifted the Veil from the serpent and cast him forth from the place among men...

https://realityfiles.com/master-archive ... of-mystery

I used to call such things bull poo-poo, but now, I have come to the conclusion that I need to reevaluate everything...

[Atrasado]

It might have not been from the temple. It said from the temple renovation. That could be a new piece of granite that was used to replace an old piece. But either way, it is narcissistic.

I have a piece of granite on my shelf right now from the San Antonio Temple construction site. Let's say I wanted it embedded into my gravestone because I love my local temple so much. Is that narcissistic?

Is it as big as a kitchen table and include your "highest" priesthood calling on it? Was it hewn by the hands of impoverished pioneers who sacrificed their all for Zion?

Can we just say it plainly? It's not normal to have an enormous granite pillar from a pioneer temple sitting on top of you and your two dead spouses. And wasn't that the point? To distinguish him from everyone else?

That's clearly not as big as a kitchen table unless it is an American Girl doll kitchen table (I have four daughters). See that little cheap US flag down there, those are about the size of the palm of your hand. That's either a 4x6" or a 5x8" flag. Judging by the size of the stick, let's say it's the bigger 5x8" if you go off the top side which is straight, that's 8" so if you use that to measure the base and the top (which I did real quick in Photoshop) you're looking at about 40" or so which is 3.33' which is close to my estimate before of 3' (I was in construction for years and am pretty good at estimating the sizes of things by eye). The width looks to be about 20" so this isn't exactly an imposing monument. It needs to be big enough to feature the names of the six people that are on it anyway.

headstone.jpg

President of the church is a significant thing, it's historical, I'm sure that people put whatever they want on their headstones. I'll bet of all the things he's done in his life, he feels like his time as president of the church is probably the most valuable to him. I think that those pioneers might prefer that their hard work be used for something significant like a headstone rather than just be dumped off somewhere. I'm sure some of that stone may have been used in other ways as well, but once it has no longer served its purpose, it can be used for other things much like the sacrament bread. We used to feed it to the birds afterward. It is just stone after all.

There's a picture of Hinckley's headstone as well and Nelson's looks almost identical. I wonder if there are a bunch of others that look like that out there too. If you've been to a graveyard, there are all kinds of headstones and even some mausoleums that are like little buildings which are much bigger than a little headstone. That one headstone probably uses the same amount of space as if you made three of them. It's quite modest for someone that is the leader of a world religion.

Now if it was a 20' bronze statue of him with an arm lifted high or something, I'd probably be on the side of criticism. I just see this as a big nothing burger.

Have you been there? Apparently, not if you're basing your post on some guess of how tall the little flag next to it is. I've only found one website that says how tall it is and it says it's eight feet tall. It's written by a guy that clearly isn't pleased with the Church, but he lives in Salt Lake City so maybe he's gone to look at it. So, I'm curious if anyone who lives in Salt Lake City or close by wants some homework. How about someone drive to the cemetery with a tape measure and tell us how tall it is. A picture of you standing next to it would be great, too. I would love to do it, but I'm three hours away and I can't get away right now. It's great to theorize about things. I find that actually examining them is always better.

[oneClimbs]

I have a piece of granite on my shelf right now from the San Antonio Temple construction site. Let's say I wanted it embedded into my gravestone because I love my local temple so much. Is that narcissistic?

Is it as big as a kitchen table and include your "highest" priesthood calling on it? Was it hewn by the hands of impoverished pioneers who sacrificed their all for Zion?

Can we just say it plainly? It's not normal to have an enormous granite pillar from a pioneer temple sitting on top of you and your two dead spouses. And wasn't that the point? To distinguish him from everyone else?

That's clearly not as big as a kitchen table unless it is an American Girl doll kitchen table (I have four daughters). See that little cheap US flag down there, those are about the size of the palm of your hand. That's either a 4x6" or a 5x8" flag. Judging by the size of the stick, let's say it's the bigger 5x8" if you go off the top side which is straight, that's 8" so if you use that to measure the base and the top (which I did real quick in Photoshop) you're looking at about 40" or so which is 3.33' which is close to my estimate before of 3' (I was in construction for years and am pretty good at estimating the sizes of things by eye). The width looks to be about 20" so this isn't exactly an imposing monument. It needs to be big enough to feature the names of the six people that are on it anyway.

headstone.jpg

President of the church is a significant thing, it's historical, I'm sure that people put whatever they want on their headstones. I'll bet of all the things he's done in his life, he feels like his time as president of the church is probably the most valuable to him. I think that those pioneers might prefer that their hard work be used for something significant like a headstone rather than just be dumped off somewhere. I'm sure some of that stone may have been used in other ways as well, but once it has no longer served its purpose, it can be used for other things much like the sacrament bread. We used to feed it to the birds afterward. It is just stone after all.

There's a picture of Hinckley's headstone as well and Nelson's looks almost identical. I wonder if there are a bunch of others that look like that out there too. If you've been to a graveyard, there are all kinds of headstones and even some mausoleums that are like little buildings which are much bigger than a little headstone. That one headstone probably uses the same amount of space as if you made three of them. It's quite modest for someone that is the leader of a world religion.

Now if it was a 20' bronze statue of him with an arm lifted high or something, I'd probably be on the side of criticism. I just see this as a big nothing burger.

Have you been there? Apparently, not if you're basing your post on some guess of how tall the little flag next to it is. I've only found one website that says how tall it is and it says it's eight feet tall. It's written by a guy that clearly isn't pleased with the Church, but he lives in Salt Lake City so maybe he's gone to look at it. So, I'm curious if anyone who lives in Salt Lake City or close by wants some homework. How about someone drive to the cemetery with a tape measure and tell us how tall it is. A picture of you standing next to it would be great, too. I would love to do it, but I'm three hours away and I can't get away right now. It's great to theorize about things. I find that actually examining them is always better.

I'm just contributing to the discussion. I deal with graphics for a living, I was also in landscaping for 10 years and I know grass and that's another clue as to the size, there are a lot of clues to guess the height of the headstone and it's definitely not 8' tall. When people are making things up and trying to blow things out of proportion, that just loses credibility with me. You can tell from the folds in the flag as well that it's a little one unless they starched the heck out of a larger one.

My point is that there are so many important issues and here are people trying to find evil in every place they can. The guy has lived a long life, he's been a leader in his profession and church a long time and he has a 3.5' tall headstone made out of discarded granite from a construction project. I'm a very open-minded person but I haven't heard anyone in this thread make any points that I'd take seriously.

[Atrasado]

Is it as big as a kitchen table and include your "highest" priesthood calling on it? Was it hewn by the hands of impoverished pioneers who sacrificed their all for Zion?

Can we just say it plainly? It's not normal to have an enormous granite pillar from a pioneer temple sitting on top of you and your two dead spouses. And wasn't that the point? To distinguish him from everyone else?

That's clearly not as big as a kitchen table unless it is an American Girl doll kitchen table (I have four daughters). See that little cheap US flag down there, those are about the size of the palm of your hand. That's either a 4x6" or a 5x8" flag. Judging by the size of the stick, let's say it's the bigger 5x8" if you go off the top side which is straight, that's 8" so if you use that to measure the base and the top (which I did real quick in Photoshop) you're looking at about 40" or so which is 3.33' which is close to my estimate before of 3' (I was in construction for years and am pretty good at estimating the sizes of things by eye). The width looks to be about 20" so this isn't exactly an imposing monument. It needs to be big enough to feature the names of the six people that are on it anyway.

headstone.jpg

President of the church is a significant thing, it's historical, I'm sure that people put whatever they want on their headstones. I'll bet of all the things he's done in his life, he feels like his time as president of the church is probably the most valuable to him. I think that those pioneers might prefer that their hard work be used for something significant like a headstone rather than just be dumped off somewhere. I'm sure some of that stone may have been used in other ways as well, but once it has no longer served its purpose, it can be used for other things much like the sacrament bread. We used to feed it to the birds afterward. It is just stone after all.

There's a picture of Hinckley's headstone as well and Nelson's looks almost identical. I wonder if there are a bunch of others that look like that out there too. If you've been to a graveyard, there are all kinds of headstones and even some mausoleums that are like little buildings which are much bigger than a little headstone. That one headstone probably uses the same amount of space as if you made three of them. It's quite modest for someone that is the leader of a world religion.

Now if it was a 20' bronze statue of him with an arm lifted high or something, I'd probably be on the side of criticism. I just see this as a big nothing burger.

Have you been there? Apparently, not if you're basing your post on some guess of how tall the little flag next to it is. I've only found one website that says how tall it is and it says it's eight feet tall. It's written by a guy that clearly isn't pleased with the Church, but he lives in Salt Lake City so maybe he's gone to look at it. So, I'm curious if anyone who lives in Salt Lake City or close by wants some homework. How about someone drive to the cemetery with a tape measure and tell us how tall it is. A picture of you standing next to it would be great, too. I would love to do it, but I'm three hours away and I can't get away right now. It's great to theorize about things. I find that actually examining them is always better.

I'm just contributing to the discussion. I deal with graphics for a living, I was also in landscaping for 10 years and I know grass and that's another clue as to the size, there are a lot of clues to guess the height of the headstone and it's definitely not 8' tall. When people are making things up and trying to blow things out of proportion, that just loses credibility with me. You can tell from the folds in the flag as well that it's a little one unless they starched the heck out of a larger one.

My point is that there are so many important issues and here are people trying to find evil in every place they can. The guy has lived a long life, he's been a leader in his profession and church a long time and he has a 3.5' tall headstone made out of discarded granite from a construction project. I'm a very open-minded person but I haven't heard anyone in this thread make any points that I'd take seriously.

I know how to use Photoshop, I've cut a lot of grass in my time, and I'm pretty good at making estimates. It doesn't look eight feet tall to me, either. But I haven't BEEN THERE, and neither have you. Things that seem certain in a picture can be wildly different in real life.

In the SLTrib it says, "mourners strolling through the northwest quadrant of the historic Salt Lake City Cemetery might be startled to see a tall granite shaft emblazoned with the name Russell M. Nelson and the words "Seventeenth President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."" I'm assuming that if it is "tall" and it startles people it isn't 3.5 feet tall. Here's a picture from the blog post that claims it is eight feet tall.



Obviously, President and Sister Nelson were photoshopped in, but this angle gives a much different view of the size of the headstone and the American flag in front of it. I think it probably is eight feet tall. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's the case.

[Pazooka]

It’s yuuuuuuge

[sushi_chef]

what if the original is slc temple ad-hoc pink room's alter stone where many sacrificial rituals had taken place ...

some were obelisk ones ..
""

In His Own Words

“The third president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Laterr-day Saints. Taylor was in the upper room at the Carthage Jail when Joseph Smith was shot. He was a strong supporter of polygamy and had at least seven wives. He claimed to have had a revelation on polygamy the year before he died. He is buried at the Salt Lake City cemetery.”
""
https://www.mrm.org/john-taylor-grave


Heber_J._Grant
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Heber_J._Grant

[oneClimbs]

That's clearly not as big as a kitchen table unless it is an American Girl doll kitchen table (I have four daughters). See that little cheap US flag down there, those are about the size of the palm of your hand. That's either a 4x6" or a 5x8" flag. Judging by the size of the stick, let's say it's the bigger 5x8" if you go off the top side which is straight, that's 8" so if you use that to measure the base and the top (which I did real quick in Photoshop) you're looking at about 40" or so which is 3.33' which is close to my estimate before of 3' (I was in construction for years and am pretty good at estimating the sizes of things by eye). The width looks to be about 20" so this isn't exactly an imposing monument. It needs to be big enough to feature the names of the six people that are on it anyway.

headstone.jpg

President of the church is a significant thing, it's historical, I'm sure that people put whatever they want on their headstones. I'll bet of all the things he's done in his life, he feels like his time as president of the church is probably the most valuable to him. I think that those pioneers might prefer that their hard work be used for something significant like a headstone rather than just be dumped off somewhere. I'm sure some of that stone may have been used in other ways as well, but once it has no longer served its purpose, it can be used for other things much like the sacrament bread. We used to feed it to the birds afterward. It is just stone after all.

There's a picture of Hinckley's headstone as well and Nelson's looks almost identical. I wonder if there are a bunch of others that look like that out there too. If you've been to a graveyard, there are all kinds of headstones and even some mausoleums that are like little buildings which are much bigger than a little headstone. That one headstone probably uses the same amount of space as if you made three of them. It's quite modest for someone that is the leader of a world religion.

Now if it was a 20' bronze statue of him with an arm lifted high or something, I'd probably be on the side of criticism. I just see this as a big nothing burger.

Have you been there? Apparently, not if you're basing your post on some guess of how tall the little flag next to it is. I've only found one website that says how tall it is and it says it's eight feet tall. It's written by a guy that clearly isn't pleased with the Church, but he lives in Salt Lake City so maybe he's gone to look at it. So, I'm curious if anyone who lives in Salt Lake City or close by wants some homework. How about someone drive to the cemetery with a tape measure and tell us how tall it is. A picture of you standing next to it would be great, too. I would love to do it, but I'm three hours away and I can't get away right now. It's great to theorize about things. I find that actually examining them is always better.

I'm just contributing to the discussion. I deal with graphics for a living, I was also in landscaping for 10 years and I know grass and that's another clue as to the size, there are a lot of clues to guess the height of the headstone and it's definitely not 8' tall. When people are making things up and trying to blow things out of proportion, that just loses credibility with me. You can tell from the folds in the flag as well that it's a little one unless they starched the heck out of a larger one.

My point is that there are so many important issues and here are people trying to find evil in every place they can. The guy has lived a long life, he's been a leader in his profession and church a long time and he has a 3.5' tall headstone made out of discarded granite from a construction project. I'm a very open-minded person but I haven't heard anyone in this thread make any points that I'd take seriously.

I know how to use Photoshop, I've cut a lot of grass in my time, and I'm pretty good at making estimates. It doesn't look eight feet tall to me, either. But I haven't BEEN THERE, and neither have you. Things that seem certain in a picture can be wildly different in real life.

In the SLTrib it says, "mourners strolling through the northwest quadrant of the historic Salt Lake City Cemetery might be startled to see a tall granite shaft emblazoned with the name Russell M. Nelson and the words "Seventeenth President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."" I'm assuming that if it is "tall" and it startles people it isn't 3.5 feet tall. Here's a picture from the blog post that claims it is eight feet tall.



Obviously, President and Sister Nelson were photoshopped in, but this angle gives a much different view of the size of the headstone and the American flag in front of it. I think it probably is eight feet tall. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's the case.

Right, as I said, I haven't been there, I'm just throwing in my 2 cents of how big I think it is. We have people thinking this is some kind of gigantic monument, a sacrificial altar stone, something the size of a dining room table that was prophesied by Isaiah. My main point is how ridiculous this grasping at straws is. I totally agree that pictures can be deceiving and I appreciate your masking job by the way, well done. I still think that's one of those small flags judging by the stick and ball at the top. Look at that flag and compare it to your superimposed Nelson's hand. I think the juxtaposition of the headstones in the background also create the illusion of the headstone being larger than it really is.

I love how this has turned into a Photoshop battle now. So, based on a 6' guy, this is about how big I think the headstone would be next to someone standing beside it if the flag is a 5x8. If it's a 4x6 that would make the headstone even smaller but I don't think it is that small either. Ultimately, we need some forum member to be the hero and head out to the cemetery and snap a picture.

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[Fred]

Well, Salt Lake City Cemetery is the largest city ran cemetery in the whole United States. It is located at 200 N St E, Salt Lake City, UT 84103 in the avenues. So, it seemed like a major chore to find any given grave, so I located where Dantzel is buried, which is PLOT WEST-11-19-4E

I have to go downtown in a couple hours anyway, so I will report back with a photo and size, later on.

[sushi_chef]

ummm ..., perhaps he wishes lds general-pleb members truly notice and realize the difference elite class has made and controlled and then obey ..

[Lexew1899]

It looks like it is indeed about 8 feet tall. Around 3:18 he stands next to it, and it is much taller than he is.

[Robin Hood]

Great men NEVER write their own obituaries or prepare monuments for themselves...

THEY DON'T HAVE TO!!!!!!!!

Yes, when has anyone ever bought a headstone when their spouse died and put their own name on it intending to be buried there!?!?!

Maybe it's an American thing, but that doesn't happen here.
Space is left for another name etc to be added, but we would never put names and details of a living person on a headstone in anticipation of their death.

It happened with my parents' gravestone. My father died first. My mother's name was on it. So is mine, which is strange when I think about it.

In what context is your name on it? As son of, or you're buried there?

[iWriteStuff]

Heber_J._Grant
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Heber_J._Grant

Well, that clinches it. Before I die, I'm going to tunnel under the nearest temple and plant my coffin beneath the spire so I can have the tallest monument in the county.

Take that, unworthy heathen!

[Mamabear]

It looks like it is indeed about 8 feet tall. Around 3:18 he stands next to it, and it is much taller than he is.

Who cares about the headstone. What’s more concerning is that this man is booked with lds firesides and he panders lgbtq propaganda. Disturbing.
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