RMN’s headstone

[Pazooka]

What hast thou here? and whom hast thou here, that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock? ~Isaiah 22:16

[Chip]

The KJV often uses veiled language, making it hard for knuckleheads like myself to understand what it's saying.

New Living Translation

“Who do you think you are, and what are you doing here, building a beautiful tomb for yourself— a monument high up in the rock?

[Artaxerxes]

What hast thou here? and whom hast thou here, that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock? ~Isaiah 22:16

Yes. The first person to ever have.... a headstone made of stone. Can you believe the gall?

[Pazooka]

The KJV often uses veiled language, making it hard for knuckleheads like myself to understand what it's saying.

New Living Translation

“Who do you think you are, and what are you doing here, building a beautiful tomb for yourself— a monument high up in the rock?

Or here’s a good one, complete with “the rest of the story” (as they say):

16What are you doing here and who gave you permission
to cut out a grave for yourself here,
hewing your grave on the height
and chiseling your resting place in the rock?
17“Beware, the Lord is about to take firm hold of you
and hurl you away, you mighty man.
18He will roll you up tightly like a ball
and throw you into a large country.
There you will die
and there the chariots you were so proud of
will become a disgrace to your master’s house.
19I will depose you from your office,
and you will be ousted from your position.
~ NIV

[The Red Pill]

Great men NEVER write their own obituaries or prepare monuments for themselves...

THEY DON'T HAVE TO!!!!!!!!

[Artaxerxes]

Great men NEVER write their own obituaries or prepare monuments for themselves...

THEY DON'T HAVE TO!!!!!!!!

Yes, when has anyone ever bought a headstone when their spouse died and put their own name on it intending to be buried there!?!?!

[Pazooka]

Great men NEVER write their own obituaries or prepare monuments for themselves...

THEY DON'T HAVE TO!!!!!!!!

Yes, when has anyone ever bought a headstone when their spouse died and put their own name on it intending to be buried there!?!?!

Lol - did the title of this thread trigger a COB peon intervention?

[The Red Pill]

Great men NEVER write their own obituaries or prepare monuments for themselves...

THEY DON'T HAVE TO!!!!!!!!

Yes, when has anyone ever bought a headstone when their spouse died and put their own name on it intending to be buried there!?!?!

Monuments of distinction...as in drawing attention to themselves....as in look at me, see how great I am...as in now everyone will go visit my grave before I am even dead to honor me...

Humble men wouldn't allow it...and using the couples gravestone concept is not a good example. You know what the intent was here.

[Artaxerxes]

Great men NEVER write their own obituaries or prepare monuments for themselves...

THEY DON'T HAVE TO!!!!!!!!

Yes, when has anyone ever bought a headstone when their spouse died and put their own name on it intending to be buried there!?!?!

Lol - did the title of this thread trigger a COB peon intervention?

Yeah. I'M the one who's triggered.

I'm not the one who's crying because an old man bought a headstone. Brethren Derangement Syndrome is alive and well on ldsff.

[Artaxerxes]

Great men NEVER write their own obituaries or prepare monuments for themselves...

THEY DON'T HAVE TO!!!!!!!!

Yes, when has anyone ever bought a headstone when their spouse died and put their own name on it intending to be buried there!?!?!

Monuments of distinction...as in drawing attention to themselves....as in look at me, see how great I am...as in now everyone will go visit my grave before I am even dead to honor me...

Humble men wouldn't allow it...and using the couples gravestone concept is not a good example. You know what the intent was here.

Yeah, who's ever had a headstone before? No one would ever have a headstone except conceited people!

[Pazooka]

Notes from the late Robert Smith (not the blogger) regarding this passage of Isaiah being typological of leadership of the end times:

“The Lord condemns the steward of the royal house for putting on airs. Shebna, in this story, is the king’s steward. As such he would be the overseer of the king’s household, the treasury, the armory and all the servants and staff. But he, himself, is still only a servant, although the most important or presiding one. His stewardship is to watch over and care for the king’s household while the king deals with other matters such as running the kingdom and dealing with other countries. Whether or not Shebna was really the steward in Hezekiah’s house is not known. He is mentioned in II Kings 18 where he, along with Eliakim and Joah go out to meet the Assyrian general Rabshekah. This episode is repeated later in Isaiah 36. But there he is called merely a scribe and Eliakim is the steward. But that is of little importance. In this story, at least at the outset, he is the steward and it doesn’t really matter how close it might be to accurate historical detail. The Lord asks what he is up to. His problem is that he is trying to be more than his station would allow. The Lord probably doesn’t care where he is buried but Shebna wishes to have his tomb in a high place carved out of rock for his burial as a monument or remembrance of himself. In ancient Israel it was common for the wealthy and the nobility to carve tombs in the rocks of the mountains or to be buried in caves in the hills. This is a type of the last-days Shebna. In our time we do not locate sepulchers in the mountains, however. The symbol is typologically referring to something Shebna is carving out of the mountains as a monument to himself to be seen and remembered after his death. He is also spending a great deal of the king’s money to build this great tomb or monument. He is usurping the prerogatives of nobility. Although he has an important job, he should be and act the part of a humble servant. Instead, he is very likely not only spending money belonging to the king to build his own monument, but also to provide himself with a beautiful house and other luxuries, although that is not mentioned. The Hebrew term used is kever, which means grave but it also means tombstone and that is the sense in which the Lord evidently means it here since in modern Israel, the wealthy and powerful do not located their tombs on mountains. In modern times, the Shebna of the parable is hewing a tombstone or monument by which he will be remembered rather than an actual tomb or burial site, from the mountain. So the Lord’s criticism of his steward is that he is trying to assume the position of nobility or of the king himself. Until the building of the Conference Center, it was not clear what this monument was. But like other prophecies of Isaiah, as they are fulfilled one by one, the meaning becomes clear. The Lord says he will thrust him out of office and throw him away like a missile or a top, which, as it spins, dances off in different directions. He tells him he will be expelled into an open country and he will leave in disgrace to die there. This does not mean that he will go to a foreign country but that he will be cast out of the palace and out of the kingdom.”

[The Red Pill]

Great men NEVER write their own obituaries or prepare monuments for themselves...

THEY DON'T HAVE TO!!!!!!!!

Yes, when has anyone ever bought a headstone when their spouse died and put their own name on it intending to be buried there!?!?!

Monuments of distinction...as in drawing attention to themselves....as in look at me, see how great I am...as in now everyone will go visit my grave before I am even dead to honor me...

Humble men wouldn't allow it...and using the couples gravestone concept is not a good example. You know what the intent was here.

Yeah, who's ever had a headstone before? No one would ever have a headstone except conceited people!

You can buy a headstone now Art and how many people would care? Except for your immediate family...not many.

But....when the leader of 16 million people buys one now...and let's it be known...the reaction is quite different. It is drawing attention to yourself. Mormon normies the world over want to come see it...and RMN knows this.

Not what humble people want or allow.

You love twisting words away from their intent to make your point.

[Artaxerxes]

Yes, when has anyone ever bought a headstone when their spouse died and put their own name on it intending to be buried there!?!?!

Monuments of distinction...as in drawing attention to themselves....as in look at me, see how great I am...as in now everyone will go visit my grave before I am even dead to honor me...

Humble men wouldn't allow it...and using the couples gravestone concept is not a good example. You know what the intent was here.

Yeah, who's ever had a headstone before? No one would ever have a headstone except conceited people!

You can buy a headstone now Art and how many people would care? Except for your immediate family...not many.

But....when the leader of 16 million people buys one now...and let's it be known...the reaction is quite different. It is drawing attention to yourself. Mormon normies the world over want to come see it...and RMN knows this.

Not what humble people want or allow.

You love twisting words away from their intent to make your point.

So anyone else is allowed to have a gravestone, but not a president of the church?

I guess it's true that the only standards church haters have are double standards.

[iWriteStuff]

Off subject: I find it interesting that he married Dantzel five years before Wendy was even born.

On topic: "The temple is my headstone" - wow. I don't even have words for that.

[Robin Hood]

Great men NEVER write their own obituaries or prepare monuments for themselves...

THEY DON'T HAVE TO!!!!!!!!

Yes, when has anyone ever bought a headstone when their spouse died and put their own name on it intending to be buried there!?!?!

Maybe it's an American thing, but that doesn't happen here.
Space is left for another name etc to be added, but we would never put names and details of a living person on a headstone in anticipation of their death.

[Artaxerxes]

Great men NEVER write their own obituaries or prepare monuments for themselves...

THEY DON'T HAVE TO!!!!!!!!

Yes, when has anyone ever bought a headstone when their spouse died and put their own name on it intending to be buried there!?!?!

Maybe it's an American thing, but that doesn't happen here.
Space is left for another name etc to be added, but we would never put names and details of a living person on a headstone in anticipation of their death.

In my (limited) experience, it's very common in the US. Both of my grandmothers did it when they bought the headstone for their husbands.

[Pazooka]

Off subject: I find it interesting that he married Dantzel five years before Wendy was even born.

On topic: "The temple is my headstone" - wow. I don't even have words for that.

There’s a decent metaphor in there somewhere.

I wonder what those Scottish stone-masons who chiseled the original blocks would say about where their handiwork went.

[1775peasant]

The KJV often uses veiled language, making it hard for knuckleheads like myself to understand what it's saying.

New Living Translation

“Who do you think you are, and what are you doing here, building a beautiful tomb for yourself— a monument high up in the rock?

Or here’s a good one, complete with “the rest of the story” (as they say):

16What are you doing here and who gave you permission
to cut out a grave for yourself here,
hewing your grave on the height
and chiseling your resting place in the rock?
17“Beware, the Lord is about to take firm hold of you
and hurl you away, you mighty man.
18He will roll you up tightly like a ball
and throw you into a large country.
There you will die
and there the chariots you were so proud of
will become a disgrace to your master’s house.
19I will depose you from your office,
and you will be ousted from your position.
~ NIV

it’s just not fair! when clarifications such as u just posted above…….

cause those posting from the position of emotion/feelings and/or appearances have to try much harder to conflate the issues at hand….

[HereWeGo]

You love twisting words away from their intent to make your point.

This is the natural result of feeding Trolls. They chew on what is said and then spit out twisted responses. If we ignore their twisted responses, the cycle ends.

[OPMissionary]

Great men NEVER write their own obituaries or prepare monuments for themselves...

THEY DON'T HAVE TO!!!!!!!!

Yes, when has anyone ever bought a headstone when their spouse died and put their own name on it intending to be buried there!?!?!

Monuments of distinction...as in drawing attention to themselves....as in look at me, see how great I am...as in now everyone will go visit my grave before I am even dead to honor me...

Humble men wouldn't allow it...and using the couples gravestone concept is not a good example. You know what the intent was here.

Yeah, who's ever had a headstone before? No one would ever have a headstone except conceited people!

Yeah there's no pattern of behavior, like throwing televised birthday parties for himself. Or embellishing stories about getting robbed in Brazil or imaginary near-death experiences on a plane and such. And now he's telling us what pharmaceutical products to put in our bodies and who to trust, because God sent them. Right.

He's been quoted more than any other current prophet in conference, despite being the least impressive speaker in the history of modern prophets. And all we hear nowadays from surrogates on every level, from Bishop to apostles to seventies to relief society to his wife, boils down to "follow the prophet no matter what" even though this is not doctrine but a mantra.

Oh but there's no pride issue here. Give me a break.

[farmerchick]

it's quite normal to have the headstone engraved with the spouses names on it when one of them dies. My parents did this......when You are supposedly married for time and eternity wouldn't this be a thing? So much stuff in the world is in commotion right now...is this really something important? When rmn meets his maker he will have to work all this out...not my problem....if I Isaiah for told it in prophesy rmn will have to account for it.....maybe he is still alive because he still has to make some important choices that will determine his salvation progression.....like all of us...perfection is ever elusive and always a work In progress...or not.....plus most older men in the church want a much younger wife when the old one passes away....i don't quite understand it but that's also a thing for better or worse....and sometimes after the newness wears off....the old wife is sorely missed during the marriage to the new much younger wife....

[OPMissionary]

Monuments of distinction...as in drawing attention to themselves....as in look at me, see how great I am...as in now everyone will go visit my grave before I am even dead to honor me...

Humble men wouldn't allow it...and using the couples gravestone concept is not a good example. You know what the intent was here.

Yeah, who's ever had a headstone before? No one would ever have a headstone except conceited people!

You can buy a headstone now Art and how many people would care? Except for your immediate family...not many.

But....when the leader of 16 million people buys one now...and let's it be known...the reaction is quite different. It is drawing attention to yourself. Mormon normies the world over want to come see it...and RMN knows this.

Not what humble people want or allow.

You love twisting words away from their intent to make your point.

So anyone else is allowed to have a gravestone, but not a president of the church?

I guess it's true that the only standards church haters have are double standards.

Oh and telling your granddaughter she's "myopic" because her husband died... WTH. That's not normal.

I'm not hung up on this headstone thing but forgive people for having the impression of an inflated self-importance at this point.

[Gadianton Slayer]

I guess it's true that the only standards church haters have are double standards.

Lol.

The headstone is no big deal, but that's a pretty grand over-generalization.

[endlessQuestions]

Yes, when has anyone ever bought a headstone when their spouse died and put their own name on it intending to be buried there!?!?!

Monuments of distinction...as in drawing attention to themselves....as in look at me, see how great I am...as in now everyone will go visit my grave before I am even dead to honor me...

Humble men wouldn't allow it...and using the couples gravestone concept is not a good example. You know what the intent was here.

Yeah, who's ever had a headstone before? No one would ever have a headstone except conceited people!

Yeah there's no pattern of behavior, like throwing televised birthday parties for himself. Or embellishing stories about getting robbed in Brazil or imaginary near-death experiences on a plane and such. And now he's telling us what pharmaceutical products to put in our bodies and who to trust, because God sent them. Right.

He's been quoted more than any other current prophet in conference, despite being the least impressive speaker in the history of modern prophets. And all we hear nowadays from surrogates on every level, from Bishop to apostles to seventies to relief society to his wife, boils down to "follow the prophet no matter what" even though this is not doctrine but a mantra.

Oh but there's no pride issue here. Give me a break.

Not to be pedantic but I’d say it’s a slogan, not a mantra.

[Serragon]

I have no problems at all with the purchase of the headstone.

It does seem strange to me that he has both of his wives on the headstone and that they will be buried together. I have been to lots of cemeteries doing family history research and I have never seen that before. Maybe it is a common thing to do in Utah.