THIS is what I want to hear from our leaders (an example of a sincere apology)

[endlessQuestions]

https://www.bitchute.com/video/0T5Xc54fVZcS/

This is the type of human being I can continue to work with as we move forward.

This is what I want from our leaders. A simple acknowledgment they were wrong, and that they’re sorry.

You know, repentance.

[Lizzy60]

https://www.bitchute.com/video/0T5Xc54fVZcS/

This is the type of human being I can continue to work with as we move forward.

This is what I want from our leaders. A simple acknowledgment they were wrong, and that they’re sorry.

You know, repentance.

We will never get an apology from them, about anything. They would have to admit that they didn’t listen to what God said, or that they didn’t understand what God said, or that God didn’t say anything and they were just saying whatever they felt like.

The conflicting “revelations” on the baptism of children of gay parents was bad enough. That only affected a few people, and was just a policy inserted into the Handbook. This was a signed First Presidency letter, a highly publicized photo-op, and numerous talks and mandates. People’s lives and health have been ruined by their “counsel”. They will not apologize, and they will not recover from this.

[BuriedTartaria]

Didn’t one of them once literally say “we’re not in the business of apologizing”?

Odd thing for a special witness of Christ to declare. I feel like servants who have been ministered to by Christ and have a special witness of him would walk with some humility and acknowledge that we all have moments where apology is appropriate

[logonbump]

[quote This was a signed First Presidency letter, a highly publicized photo-op, and numerous talks and mandates. People’s lives and health have been ruined by their “counsel”. They will not apologize, and they will not recover from this.
/quote]


It was not signed by hand, and it wasn't distributed thru the normal channels.
The statements on the vaccine and encouraging members to follow local experts and officials came as a press release and appeared with only their names in typed print.

[Dave62]

https://www.bitchute.com/video/0T5Xc54fVZcS/

This is the type of human being I can continue to work with as we move forward.

This is what I want from our leaders. A simple acknowledgment they were wrong, and that they’re sorry.

You know, repentance.

This is a display of true courage.

[Lizzy60]

[quote This was a signed First Presidency letter, a highly publicized photo-op, and numerous talks and mandates. People’s lives and health have been ruined by their “counsel”. They will not apologize, and they will not recover from this.
/quote]


It was not signed by hand, and it wasn't distributed thru the normal channels.
The statements on the vaccine and encouraging members to follow local experts and officials came as a press release and appeared with only their names in typed print.

The letter was placed on the Church official website, and emailed to every person, from leadership down to the most insignificant member whose email address they have. I don’t know what you meant by “normal channels” but this exceeded normal channels. Their names are on the letter, as the letter writers and endorsers. Actual signatures mean little in this instance.

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... ugust-2021

[Mamabear]

[quote This was a signed First Presidency letter, a highly publicized photo-op, and numerous talks and mandates. People’s lives and health have been ruined by their “counsel”. They will not apologize, and they will not recover from this.
/quote]


It was not signed by hand, and it wasn't distributed thru the normal channels.
The statements on the vaccine and encouraging members to follow local experts and officials came as a press release and appeared with only their names in typed print.

Are you saying they didn’t approve it and the the pr department just did it? If something wasn’t from them, wouldn’t they correct it and preach let God prevail?

Also if it wasn’t from them then why did the 12 continue to go about preaching vaccines and masks this past fall and winter and why was the topic of vaccination and masks necessary at the beginning of every separate session of conference?

[tribrac]

It means alot if you are in the business of splitting hairs...

[darknesstolight]

[quote This was a signed First Presidency letter, a highly publicized photo-op, and numerous talks and mandates. People’s lives and health have been ruined by their “counsel”. They will not apologize, and they will not recover from this.
/quote]


It was not signed by hand, and it wasn't distributed thru the normal channels.
The statements on the vaccine and encouraging members to follow local experts and officials came as a press release and appeared with only their names in typed print.

Most letters aren't signed by hand. Usually you do your signature digitally and then it gets saved and then you can use the stored signature anytime. You just copy and paste it. The FP doesn't sit there and individually sign all documents.

But, what's your point? You are either implying that the FP didn't really encourage us to take the vaccine because they didn't really sign the documents and they didn't really come from "normal channels" and you are suggesting these were rogue elements in the Church and the FP had nothing to do with it. Or you are implying that the FP are dishonest because they didn't sign the documents by hand. Or you are implying something else that I can't think of right now. So, in sincerity, what is it that you are saying with these statements? What do they mean?

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[Silver Pie]

Didn’t one of them once literally say “we’re not in the business of apologizing”?

"I know that the history of the church is not to seek apologies or to give them," Oaks said in an interview. "We sometimes look back on issues and say, 'Maybe that was counterproductive for what we wish to achieve,' but we look forward and not backward."

The church doesn't "seek apologies," he said, "and we don't give them."
https://archive.sltrib.com/article.php? ... type=CMSID

[FoundMyEden]

They will not apologize. In the FP letter read to my ward on Sunday morning they stated that it would be okay to remove masks and not space the seating and not single out the bread in little cups...but please dispose of your own water cup, etc. It went on to read, all of this can be changed now because over 90% of people have been vacccinated (big pat on the back!).

So no, like Elder Oaks said... there won't be apologies. They're sticking to the narrative.

[darknesstolight]

Didn’t one of them once literally say “we’re not in the business of apologizing”?

"I know that the history of the church is not to seek apologies or to give them," Oaks said in an interview. "We sometimes look back on issues and say, 'Maybe that was counterproductive for what we wish to achieve,' but we look forward and not backward."

The church doesn't "seek apologies," he said, "and we don't give them."
https://archive.sltrib.com/article.php? ... type=CMSID

So retarded for him to say that. If you make a mistake, apologize and repent. That's how you look forward. You can't look forward by pretending the past didn't or doesn't matter and you ignore it or just hide it under the rug. That's called keeping skeletons in the closet and its super stupid and extremely hypocritical. So strange. Lead by example, not by words is what I've always been taught by the Church leaders.

What is it that members of the Church see in these people that they are willing to excuse them and ignore their ignorant and dangerous conduct. Its like some members just don't believe at all that the leaders are capable of being evil or doing harm or being stupid or being wrong. Why? I know why. It's because that the indoctrination. That's what you get taught by force. And by force I mean if you don't go along you WILL be punished someway, somehow. You will pay a price for going against leaders in the LDS Church and that has to get fixed. I wish members would stop being so automaton like and think for themselves. But the answer to that is, "I do think for myself. I know magically by the "spirit" that these men are super special, above any other human, and what they say is God's own words verbatim."

If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

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[darknesstolight]

They will not apologize. In the FP letter read to my ward on Sunday morning they stated that it would be okay to remove masks and not space the seating and not single out the bread in little cups...but please dispose of your own water cup, etc. It went on to read, all of this can be changed now because over 90% of people have been vacccinated (big pat on the back!).

So no, like Elder Oaks said... there won't be apologies. They're sticking to the narrative.

And that's a lie too. 90% have not been vaccinated. Only about 60% of the population in the U.S. has been vaccinated. It's hard to pinpoint this number but that's based on independent studies and research that isn't getting paid by the government to speak for the government like most all institutions (that's fascism btw, where government and private industry are really in cahoots and there is only the veneer of them being independently operated and run). So, it looks like the number is closer to 60% who are considered "fully vaccinated" for the whole U.S. population.

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[Mamabear]

https://www.bitchute.com/video/0T5Xc54fVZcS/

This is the type of human being I can continue to work with as we move forward.

This is what I want from our leaders. A simple acknowledgment they were wrong, and that they’re sorry.

You know, repentance.

Dear endless, the sooner we recognize that there probably will not be an apology, the better off we will be. Let’s rejoice in Christ and the miracle of His sacrifice and His love. Rejoice in the truth and that we have it. The truth and the fullness of the gospel will set us free. What is this truth? It is the pure doctrine taught by Jesus, his disciples, Joseph Smith and other true prophets; that we can achieve a remission of sins, sanctification, converse with God, receive our calling and election, second comforter and the fullness of the Father in this life. This is the doctrine that is hidden from the world because of unbelief, greed, lies, and gain….but it is not hidden from our view.
Let us move forward to the church of the firstborn. The truth will soon flood the earth.
We can achieve every blessing!
Much love to you.

[darknesstolight]

https://www.bitchute.com/video/0T5Xc54fVZcS/

This is the type of human being I can continue to work with as we move forward.

This is what I want from our leaders. A simple acknowledgment they were wrong, and that they’re sorry.

You know, repentance.

Dear endless, the sooner we recognize that there probably will not be an apology, the better off we will be. Let’s rejoice in Christ and the miracle of His sacrifice and His love. Rejoice in the truth and that we have it. The truth and the fullness of the gospel will set us free. What is this truth? It is the pure doctrine taught by Jesus, his disciples, Joseph Smith and other true prophets; that we can achieve a remission of sins, sanctification, converse with God, receive our calling and election, second comforter and the fullness of the Father in this life. This is the doctrine that is hidden from the world because of unbelief, greed, lies, and gain….but it is not hidden from our view.
Let us move forward to the church of the firstborn. The truth will soon flood the earth.
We can achieve every blessing!
Much love to you.

We can hold the leaders accountable and we can do all the things you mentioned. They are not mutually exclusive. We don't need to ignore the travesty of the COVID19 vaccine and those who are responsible for it. This is a huge deal where hundreds of thousands of people have suffered and died needlessly just because of ego and pride. We can't let this happen again. We need to make sure that all these people understand that they are no longer in control, nor are they respected as if they have some authority or power, they have acted in darkness. We can rejoice in the gospel and the Truth while we hold bullies, tyrants, and abusers accountable.

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[FoundMyEden]

They will not apologize. In the FP letter read to my ward on Sunday morning they stated that it would be okay to remove masks and not space the seating and not single out the bread in little cups...but please dispose of your own water cup, etc. It went on to read, all of this can be changed now because over 90% of people have been vacccinated (big pat on the back!).

So no, like Elder Oaks said... there won't be apologies. They're sticking to the narrative.

And that's a lie too. 90% have not been vaccinated. Only about 60% of the population in the U.S. has been vaccinated. It's hard to pinpoint this number but that's based on independent studies and research that isn't getting paid by the government to speak for the government like most all institutions (that's fascism btw, where government and private industry are really in cahoots and there is only the veneer of them being independently operated and run). So, it looks like the number is closer to 60% who are considered "fully vaccinated" for the whole U.S. population.

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I agree, but that's the narrative they are sticking to...whether true or not. The 90% was the number the gads were all screaming for from the beginning and even though it started to fall apart from the beginning, they can't back peddle on it, so they just have to lie about the numbers to cover it up.

I just rolled my eyes and shook my head when the bishop read the part about the vacc status.

[darknesstolight]

They will not apologize. In the FP letter read to my ward on Sunday morning they stated that it would be okay to remove masks and not space the seating and not single out the bread in little cups...but please dispose of your own water cup, etc. It went on to read, all of this can be changed now because over 90% of people have been vacccinated (big pat on the back!).

So no, like Elder Oaks said... there won't be apologies. They're sticking to the narrative.

And that's a lie too. 90% have not been vaccinated. Only about 60% of the population in the U.S. has been vaccinated. It's hard to pinpoint this number but that's based on independent studies and research that isn't getting paid by the government to speak for the government like most all institutions (that's fascism btw, where government and private industry are really in cahoots and there is only the veneer of them being independently operated and run). So, it looks like the number is closer to 60% who are considered "fully vaccinated" for the whole U.S. population.

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I agree, but that's the narrative they are sticking to...whether true or not. The 90% was the number the gads were all screaming for from the beginning and even though it started to fall apart from the beginning, they can't back peddle on it, so they just have to lie about the numbers to cover it up.

I just rolled my eyes and shook my head when the bishop read the part about the vacc status.

I hear you. I am not being critical of anyone here. I'm being critical of the leaders. What we should be doing as a people though is that when the leaders read a letter like that, instead of just obediently and with glassy eyes sit there and soak it in like its the Sun but rather we need to speak out against the ideas that are falsehoods. What I think would make a difference is if members stopped being afraid of the leaders and the supposed negative consequences for speaking out against them. The worse they can do is kick you out of the Church and if they kick you out of the Church because you spoke your mind and spoke the things you know or truly believe to be true, then that's good. It's good because you are standing on Truth and that will be a great blessing to anyone who can stand on Truth even while they are being attacked and ridiculed or lied about.

Like I said, not criticism of you. Criticism of the whole situation in our Church and the non-stop nonsense that gets accepted as normal. It's abusive and manipulative. It's what happens in dysfunctional families. You aren't allowed to speak about certain things or you aren't allowed to speak words that are negative about the "abuser" even if they are true. You can only think and say positive things even if they are blatantly false.

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[CuriousThinker]

They will not apologize. In the FP letter read to my ward on Sunday morning they stated that it would be okay to remove masks and not space the seating and not single out the bread in little cups...but please dispose of your own water cup, etc. It went on to read, all of this can be changed now because over 90% of people have been vacccinated (big pat on the back!).

So no, like Elder Oaks said... there won't be apologies. They're sticking to the narrative.

What FP letter was 90% mentioned in?

[Mamabear]

https://www.bitchute.com/video/0T5Xc54fVZcS/

This is the type of human being I can continue to work with as we move forward.

This is what I want from our leaders. A simple acknowledgment they were wrong, and that they’re sorry.

You know, repentance.

Dear endless, the sooner we recognize that there probably will not be an apology, the better off we will be. Let’s rejoice in Christ and the miracle of His sacrifice and His love. Rejoice in the truth and that we have it. The truth and the fullness of the gospel will set us free. What is this truth? It is the pure doctrine taught by Jesus, his disciples, Joseph Smith and other true prophets; that we can achieve a remission of sins, sanctification, converse with God, receive our calling and election, second comforter and the fullness of the Father in this life. This is the doctrine that is hidden from the world because of unbelief, greed, lies, and gain….but it is not hidden from our view.
Let us move forward to the church of the firstborn. The truth will soon flood the earth.
We can achieve every blessing!
Much love to you.

We can hold the leaders accountable and we can do all the things you mentioned. They are not mutually exclusive. We don't need to ignore the travesty of the COVID19 vaccine and those who are responsible for it. This is a huge deal where hundreds of thousands of people have suffered and died needlessly just because of ego and pride. We can't let this happen again. We need to make sure that all these people understand that they are no longer in control, nor are they respected as if they have some authority or power, they have acted in darkness. We can rejoice in the gospel and the Truth while we hold bullies, tyrants, and abusers accountable.

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I understand what you are saying.
I’m pointing out that too much focus on what the church does or doesn’t do, matters very little at this point. They will continue to go down the left hand path.
What I have seen played out in my ward and stake was this: Bishop - “I’m just following what the stake president told me.” Stake President- “I’m following what the Area authority told me.” And so on down the line. I’m just pointing out that we can hold them accountable but it doesn’t look like they will care or apologize. Each of them played follow the leader and didn’t ask God and no one will be accountable or apologize because they will blame each other. And also the church doesn’t apologize unless they do something to make the “woke” crowd angry. In the end, only God can measure out adequate justice that will be sufficient for such lies that led to injuries and death.

[darknesstolight]

https://www.bitchute.com/video/0T5Xc54fVZcS/

This is the type of human being I can continue to work with as we move forward.

This is what I want from our leaders. A simple acknowledgment they were wrong, and that they’re sorry.

You know, repentance.

Dear endless, the sooner we recognize that there probably will not be an apology, the better off we will be. Let’s rejoice in Christ and the miracle of His sacrifice and His love. Rejoice in the truth and that we have it. The truth and the fullness of the gospel will set us free. What is this truth? It is the pure doctrine taught by Jesus, his disciples, Joseph Smith and other true prophets; that we can achieve a remission of sins, sanctification, converse with God, receive our calling and election, second comforter and the fullness of the Father in this life. This is the doctrine that is hidden from the world because of unbelief, greed, lies, and gain….but it is not hidden from our view.
Let us move forward to the church of the firstborn. The truth will soon flood the earth.
We can achieve every blessing!
Much love to you.

We can hold the leaders accountable and we can do all the things you mentioned. They are not mutually exclusive. We don't need to ignore the travesty of the COVID19 vaccine and those who are responsible for it. This is a huge deal where hundreds of thousands of people have suffered and died needlessly just because of ego and pride. We can't let this happen again. We need to make sure that all these people understand that they are no longer in control, nor are they respected as if they have some authority or power, they have acted in darkness. We can rejoice in the gospel and the Truth while we hold bullies, tyrants, and abusers accountable.

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I understand what you are saying.
I’m pointing out that too much focus on what the church does or doesn’t do, matters very little at this point. They will continue to go down the left hand path.
What I have seen played out in my ward and stake was this: Bishop - “I’m just following what the stake president told me.” Stake President- “I’m following what the Area authority told me.” And so on down the line. I’m just pointing out that we can hold them accountable but it doesn’t look like they will care or apologize. Each of them played follow the leader and didn’t ask God and no one will be accountable or apologize because they will blame each other. And also the church doesn’t apologize unless they do something to make the “woke” crowd angry. In the end, only God can measure out adequate justice that will be sufficient for such lies that led to injuries and death.

Right. I do think they will care and they will apologize if enough people stop being afraid of them. I think if everyone who has been harmed by their "counsel" sued the Church they'd start thinking about apologizing. But yes they seem to live by the "abusers code".

The reason why the world passes in to darkness is because good people are afraid or too distracted to speak out. Waiting for God to fix things after the fact is irrelevant to today.

I try to live by these general rules below:

"I do not stand by in the presence of evil." -Alita

"Don't let bullies get away with it." - Jordan Peterson

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[The Red Pill]

https://www.bitchute.com/video/0T5Xc54fVZcS/

This is the type of human being I can continue to work with as we move forward.

This is what I want from our leaders. A simple acknowledgment they were wrong, and that they’re sorry.

You know, repentance.

It is nice to see an apology...but it is a year late and hundreds of thousands of lives short.

Dr. Peter McCollough figured out the deadly jab in January of 2021...front line doctors figured out the COVID fraud in March of 2020.

Personally speaking, it looks like a CYA career surviving statement. Since the 40% increase in insurance deaths came out, it's hard NOT to understand the truth.

Look for BOATLOADS of similar statements from docs trying to save their credibility.


Q15 should have had a press conference the day after the insurance stats were released...reversing their position.

They CAN'T walk it back now....even if they wanted to...

THIS ISSUE WILL BLOW THE CHURCH UP...when the masses figure out the truth about the deadly-jab!!!

[darknesstolight]

https://www.bitchute.com/video/0T5Xc54fVZcS/

This is the type of human being I can continue to work with as we move forward.

This is what I want from our leaders. A simple acknowledgment they were wrong, and that they’re sorry.

You know, repentance.

It is nice to see an apology...but it is a year late and hundreds of thousands of lives short.

Dr. Peter McCollough figured out the deadly jab in January of 2021...front line doctors figured out the COVID fraud in March of 2020.

Personally speaking, it looks like a CYA career surviving statement. Since the 40% increase in insurance deaths came out, it's hard NOT to understand the truth.

Look for BOATLOADS of similar statements from docs trying to save their credibility.


Q15 should have had a press conference the day after the insurance stats were released...reversing their position.

They CAN'T walk it back now....even if they wanted to...

THIS ISSUE WILL BLOW THE CHURCH UP...when the masses figure out the truth about the deadly-jab!!!

The masses will not figure it out unless we who know boldly speak out against it and do it with knowledge, reason, facts, and truth. But we can't be waiting on them to find out. I don't know you so I'm not saying this at you directly but I see so many people who are up in arms online but do or say nothing at Church or in real life. They seem to afraid of the social consequences. They needs to stop or it will not get better.

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[kittycat51]

Don’t tear apart logonbump. He was correct. There was something different about the August 2021 letter. Back in April of 2021 when they introduced the new “logo” it was said all official letters/announcements from the Church would be on official letterhead with that logo. The August letter was not on letterhead, with no church logo and no signatures. WHY I don’t have a clue. The fact of the matter is wrong is wrong. It should have not been sent in any shape or form.

[Mamabear]

Don’t tear apart logonbump. He was correct. There was something different about the August 2021 letter. Back in April of 2021 when they introduced the new “logo” it was said all official letters/announcements from the Church would be on official letterhead with that logo. The August letter was not on letterhead, with no church logo and no signatures. WHY I don’t have a clue. The fact of the matter is wrong is wrong. It should have not been sent in any shape or form.

I agree kitty that we shouldn’t tear him apart. I just don’t understand. Did you see my questions to him? What are your thoughts on those?
I felt the letter was off too but then they started peddling the falsehoods faster and lost me. Remember at conference when Nelson said, “We thank you for following our counsel and the advice of medical experts and government officials in your own communities.” It sounded like the letter to me. I sincerely want to understand what you and logonbump are saying, can you explain it a little more?

[darknesstolight]

Don’t tear apart logonbump. He was correct. There was something different about the August 2021 letter. Back in April of 2021 when they introduced the new “logo” it was said all official letters/announcements from the Church would be on official letterhead with that logo. The August letter was not on letterhead, with no church logo and no signatures. WHY I don’t have a clue. The fact of the matter is wrong is wrong. It should have not been sent in any shape or form.

I don't see anyone tearing logonbump apart. That's extremely hyperbolic.

But point taken.

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