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Bernie Sanders was also hard-core supporter of gay rights, and believes abortion is a "constitutional right." Kind of ironic that two Bernie Sanders supporters who are Russian sympathetic would have these positions.

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Sarah wrote: March 13th, 2022, 10:18 pm
ajax wrote: March 13th, 2022, 10:08 pm
Sarah wrote: March 13th, 2022, 9:26 pm Gabbard is also a Bernie Sanders supporter, which means she's a hard-core socialist. She shouldn't be trusted.
And you’re a Mitt supporter, which means you can’t be trusted. See how easy this is? Ad hominem much? I shouldn’t need to say this, but a person from whatever persuasion can be very right on some things as well as very wrong on others. Juvenile argument. People from a variety of backgrounds have been warning about the same thing: Mearsheimer, Stephen F Cohen, Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul and on and on. Here is libertarian antiwar.com man Scott Hortons recent presentation in Utah:
I don't support Romney in all his positions, and his way of going about things, but he did have it right about Russia and China. Just because someone is anti-war, doesn't mean they are telling you the truth. I think a lot of what Mearsheimer is saying is false,
I believe Mitt is wrong and Mearsheimer and company is right. So now what?

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Sarah wrote: March 13th, 2022, 8:50 pm
spiritMan wrote: March 13th, 2022, 8:02 pm
Sarah wrote: March 13th, 2022, 7:58 pm
762X545 wrote: March 13th, 2022, 7:41 pm

Did you support Iraqis who didn't want America to fill their country with porn and degeneracy? Libyans who died because their only sin was declaring that they would not sell their oil for the petrodollar? Syrians who were fighting off ISIS only to have America decide that now was a good time to destabilize a nation? How is Ukraine any different than those nations yet I don't recall many people crying about the dead women and children of those sovereign nations. "Do as we say...not as we do," I suppose.
Everywhere else outside of the West is despotic.
Hey isn't that awesome we aren't despotic but you can't send your kids to grade school without being indoctrinated about queers and trannies.

Aren't we the bestest ever!!
Indeed we have become like Sodom, but at least my children have not been indoctrinated much by the gay/trans lobby. We've lived in more conservative areas, and it really depends on the teacher. But the Russians are living in a police state. You watch what they are saying over there, and many of them say they can't or won't say their mind because they are scared of the police. I'd rather have freedom than be controlled by a dictator and mob, where everyone is bought and paid for.
You don't have freedom. America has the highest incarceration rate in the world. Everyone is bought and paid for in Russia? Sounds a lot like American government. I spent almost three years in Iraq and before America destroyed the country you could be Muslim, Christian even Jewish. No one cared. Saddam was a secular Muslim and didn't support international terrorists. Look into the story of him killing Abu Nidal because fundamental Islam was a threat to him. People had roads, hospitals, schools. As long as you didn't upset the system you were more or less left alone to do as you pleased. Of course that wasn't the story we were told in the west. But those were the words from the Iraqi citizenry. What threat was Libya to the US when we decided we had to destroy that nation? Try not to pay your property taxes and see what happens. Protest your school board meeting and the government wants you placed on a terrorist list. Even the DOJ came out this week and says that people who question the validity of elections or question the COVID narrative are "extremists." What happens once you are labeled? No fly lists? Prohibition from possessing firearms just because of your political or religious views? Maybe CPS shows up at your door. Evil law enforcement kicking your door in and shooting innocent people in the middle of the night!! Yeah, America is really awesome😒. Heavens you can't even fly a remote control airplane at your local park without a government license and registration anymore.

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Sarah wrote: March 13th, 2022, 10:23 pm Bernie Sanders was also hard-core supporter of gay rights, and believes abortion is a "constitutional right." Kind of ironic that two Bernie Sanders supporters who are Russian sympathetic would have these positions.
Russian sympathetic? Good grief. Is there any nuance in your thinking? An alternative opinion based on reality does not equal sympathy.

Again, not everybody is right in all things, even you. Just because someone supported Bernie Sanders doesn’t mean they are wrong in all of their opinions. This is basic logic. I can’t even believe you’re arguing the point.

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jonrizzy wrote: March 13th, 2022, 5:44 pm Im consumed with bloodlust? as you excuse a guy bombing thousands of civilians as we speak.

Im a Reagan conservative. You know carry a big stick. Trust but verify etc. You represent a wacky fringe that tries to fit world events into crazy conspiracies.

Go back to pretending Hillary Clinton eats children or whatever stupid idiocies were spouted on here before the war.

Just know that you are (thankfully) a tiny minority in this country and most sober minded people are fully behind Ukraine.

This is what happens when you read crazy conspiracies from the internet. You’ve lost touch with reality. And real conservatives think you are a joke. Totally incapable of critical thinking.
Wait though - is Putin really bombing 'thousands' of civilians? Where's the evidence? Where's all the footage of devastated cities we normally see in wars?

I'm not defending Putin. I'm pointing out the same absence of evidence others have pointed out. Our media is screaming about atrocities but I don't see much evidence a war is being fought at all - let alone evidence of atrocities.

Has anyone seen video of cities on fire etc - the usual war stuff?

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ajax wrote: March 13th, 2022, 10:46 pm
Sarah wrote: March 13th, 2022, 10:23 pm Bernie Sanders was also hard-core supporter of gay rights, and believes abortion is a "constitutional right." Kind of ironic that two Bernie Sanders supporters who are Russian sympathetic would have these positions.
Russian sympathetic? Good grief. Is there any nuance in your thinking? An alternative opinion based on reality does not equal sympathy.

Again, not everybody is right in all things, even you. Just because someone supported Bernie Sanders doesn’t mean they are wrong in all of their opinions. This is basic logic. I can’t even believe you’re arguing the point.
Even of he wasn't a Sanders supporter, I would still think he is wrong about a lot of things. It was just recently that I read that he and Gabbard supported him. I look for patterns and clues to people's true sympathies and stances to understand why they do what they do. I pointed out some of Mearsheimer's other quotes. All I'm saying is that this should make you wonder about him. If you just want to stick to the facts, than present facts. The basic idea he presents is that the US provoked Russia and is to blame because of our meddling. I disagree, because I realize that this so-called meddling in Ukraine was staged by Putin and his Western puppets, to give Putin a justification to invade, that this was his long term goal, way before 2014, when he's had his own puppets and oligarchy he controls in power. I've given evidence that you can't trust the Russian/alt-right/far- left/anti-war narrative.

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NeveR wrote: March 14th, 2022, 2:12 am
jonrizzy wrote: March 13th, 2022, 5:44 pm Im consumed with bloodlust? as you excuse a guy bombing thousands of civilians as we speak.

Im a Reagan conservative. You know carry a big stick. Trust but verify etc. You represent a wacky fringe that tries to fit world events into crazy conspiracies.

Go back to pretending Hillary Clinton eats children or whatever stupid idiocies were spouted on here before the war.

Just know that you are (thankfully) a tiny minority in this country and most sober minded people are fully behind Ukraine.

This is what happens when you read crazy conspiracies from the internet. You’ve lost touch with reality. And real conservatives think you are a joke. Totally incapable of critical thinking.
Wait though - is Putin really bombing 'thousands' of civilians? Where's the evidence? Where's all the footage of devastated cities we normally see in wars?

I'm not defending Putin. I'm pointing out the same absence of evidence others have pointed out. Our media is screaming about atrocities but I don't see much evidence a war is being fought at all - let alone evidence of atrocities.

Has anyone seen video of cities on fire etc - the usual war stuff?
Just get on twitter. Literally thousands of videos of civilian areas being bombed. It’s just willful ignorance to deny it.

https://twitter.com/cbsnews/status/1503 ... 43906?s=21

https://twitter.com/rottenbanana101/sta ... 33321?s=21

https://twitter.com/ricardo89886956/sta ... 28709?s=21

https://twitter.com/badboybettereal/sta ... 96032?s=21

These aren’t hard to find.

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jonrizzy wrote: March 14th, 2022, 10:20 am
NeveR wrote: March 14th, 2022, 2:12 am
jonrizzy wrote: March 13th, 2022, 5:44 pm Im consumed with bloodlust? as you excuse a guy bombing thousands of civilians as we speak.

Im a Reagan conservative. You know carry a big stick. Trust but verify etc. You represent a wacky fringe that tries to fit world events into crazy conspiracies.

Go back to pretending Hillary Clinton eats children or whatever stupid idiocies were spouted on here before the war.

Just know that you are (thankfully) a tiny minority in this country and most sober minded people are fully behind Ukraine.

This is what happens when you read crazy conspiracies from the internet. You’ve lost touch with reality. And real conservatives think you are a joke. Totally incapable of critical thinking.
Wait though - is Putin really bombing 'thousands' of civilians? Where's the evidence? Where's all the footage of devastated cities we normally see in wars?

I'm not defending Putin. I'm pointing out the same absence of evidence others have pointed out. Our media is screaming about atrocities but I don't see much evidence a war is being fought at all - let alone evidence of atrocities.

Has anyone seen video of cities on fire etc - the usual war stuff?
Just get on twitter. Literally thousands of videos of civilian areas being bombed. It’s just willful ignorance to deny it.

https://twitter.com/cbsnews/status/1503 ... 43906?s=21

https://twitter.com/rottenbanana101/sta ... 33321?s=21

https://twitter.com/ricardo89886956/sta ... 28709?s=21

https://twitter.com/badboybettereal/sta ... 96032?s=21

These aren’t hard to find.
can't use CBS news as a source. total fake news.

Besides, how do you know it's the Russians doing it?
It was on TV!
sorry. I have a hard time swallowing anything from either side.

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mudflap wrote: March 14th, 2022, 10:25 am
jonrizzy wrote: March 14th, 2022, 10:20 am
NeveR wrote: March 14th, 2022, 2:12 am
jonrizzy wrote: March 13th, 2022, 5:44 pm Im consumed with bloodlust? as you excuse a guy bombing thousands of civilians as we speak.

Im a Reagan conservative. You know carry a big stick. Trust but verify etc. You represent a wacky fringe that tries to fit world events into crazy conspiracies.

Go back to pretending Hillary Clinton eats children or whatever stupid idiocies were spouted on here before the war.

Just know that you are (thankfully) a tiny minority in this country and most sober minded people are fully behind Ukraine.

This is what happens when you read crazy conspiracies from the internet. You’ve lost touch with reality. And real conservatives think you are a joke. Totally incapable of critical thinking.
Wait though - is Putin really bombing 'thousands' of civilians? Where's the evidence? Where's all the footage of devastated cities we normally see in wars?

I'm not defending Putin. I'm pointing out the same absence of evidence others have pointed out. Our media is screaming about atrocities but I don't see much evidence a war is being fought at all - let alone evidence of atrocities.

Has anyone seen video of cities on fire etc - the usual war stuff?
Just get on twitter. Literally thousands of videos of civilian areas being bombed. It’s just willful ignorance to deny it.

https://twitter.com/cbsnews/status/1503 ... 43906?s=21

https://twitter.com/rottenbanana101/sta ... 33321?s=21

https://twitter.com/ricardo89886956/sta ... 28709?s=21

https://twitter.com/badboybettereal/sta ... 96032?s=21

These aren’t hard to find.
can't use CBS news as a source. total fake news.

Besides, how do you know it's the Russians doing it?
It was on TV!
sorry. I have a hard time swallowing anything from either side.
Lol, I love the mental gymnastics you go through to live in fantasy land. No amount of evidence will ever be enough.

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jonrizzy wrote: March 14th, 2022, 10:35 am
mudflap wrote: March 14th, 2022, 10:25 am
jonrizzy wrote: March 14th, 2022, 10:20 am
NeveR wrote: March 14th, 2022, 2:12 am

Wait though - is Putin really bombing 'thousands' of civilians? Where's the evidence? Where's all the footage of devastated cities we normally see in wars?

I'm not defending Putin. I'm pointing out the same absence of evidence others have pointed out. Our media is screaming about atrocities but I don't see much evidence a war is being fought at all - let alone evidence of atrocities.

Has anyone seen video of cities on fire etc - the usual war stuff?
Just get on twitter. Literally thousands of videos of civilian areas being bombed. It’s just willful ignorance to deny it.

https://twitter.com/cbsnews/status/1503 ... 43906?s=21

https://twitter.com/rottenbanana101/sta ... 33321?s=21

https://twitter.com/ricardo89886956/sta ... 28709?s=21

https://twitter.com/badboybettereal/sta ... 96032?s=21

These aren’t hard to find.
can't use CBS news as a source. total fake news.

Besides, how do you know it's the Russians doing it?
It was on TV!
sorry. I have a hard time swallowing anything from either side.
Lol, I love the mental gymnastics you go through to live in fantasy land. No amount of evidence will ever be enough.
Well, I'm not a flat-earther, if that's what you mean.

If believing CBS news makes you want to genocide the Russians, I guess they're doing their job. :)

fantasy land would be:
- vaxxines work
- masks save lives
- we don't need guns
- America wants nothing but good for the rest of the world.
- NSA never spies on Americans
- Ruby Ridge was justified

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jonrizzy wrote: March 14th, 2022, 10:20 am
NeveR wrote: March 14th, 2022, 2:12 am
jonrizzy wrote: March 13th, 2022, 5:44 pm Im consumed with bloodlust? as you excuse a guy bombing thousands of civilians as we speak.

Im a Reagan conservative. You know carry a big stick. Trust but verify etc. You represent a wacky fringe that tries to fit world events into crazy conspiracies.

Go back to pretending Hillary Clinton eats children or whatever stupid idiocies were spouted on here before the war.

Just know that you are (thankfully) a tiny minority in this country and most sober minded people are fully behind Ukraine.

This is what happens when you read crazy conspiracies from the internet. You’ve lost touch with reality. And real conservatives think you are a joke. Totally incapable of critical thinking.
Wait though - is Putin really bombing 'thousands' of civilians? Where's the evidence? Where's all the footage of devastated cities we normally see in wars?

I'm not defending Putin. I'm pointing out the same absence of evidence others have pointed out. Our media is screaming about atrocities but I don't see much evidence a war is being fought at all - let alone evidence of atrocities.

Has anyone seen video of cities on fire etc - the usual war stuff?
Just get on twitter. Literally thousands of videos of civilian areas being bombed. It’s just willful ignorance to deny it.

https://twitter.com/cbsnews/status/1503 ... 43906?s=21

https://twitter.com/rottenbanana101/sta ... 33321?s=21

https://twitter.com/ricardo89886956/sta ... 28709?s=21

https://twitter.com/badboybettereal/sta ... 96032?s=21

These aren’t hard to find.
There are not thousands and ALL of them are like the FOUR you managed to find - small scale shaky blurry vids of a few houses burning or someone being rescued. All unverified & issued by various Ukrainian govt agencies.

Where are the videos showing city centers or big urban areas and public buildings under attack or badly damaged? Conspicuously absent for some reason.

Meanwhile did anyone see the video of the Brit guy who traveled to Kyiv March 3 - while there was supposed to be fighting in the city - and could not find ANY sign of a war?

Very weird.

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NeveR wrote: March 14th, 2022, 7:20 pm
jonrizzy wrote: March 14th, 2022, 10:20 am
NeveR wrote: March 14th, 2022, 2:12 am
jonrizzy wrote: March 13th, 2022, 5:44 pm Im consumed with bloodlust? as you excuse a guy bombing thousands of civilians as we speak.

Im a Reagan conservative. You know carry a big stick. Trust but verify etc. You represent a wacky fringe that tries to fit world events into crazy conspiracies.

Go back to pretending Hillary Clinton eats children or whatever stupid idiocies were spouted on here before the war.

Just know that you are (thankfully) a tiny minority in this country and most sober minded people are fully behind Ukraine.

This is what happens when you read crazy conspiracies from the internet. You’ve lost touch with reality. And real conservatives think you are a joke. Totally incapable of critical thinking.
Wait though - is Putin really bombing 'thousands' of civilians? Where's the evidence? Where's all the footage of devastated cities we normally see in wars?

I'm not defending Putin. I'm pointing out the same absence of evidence others have pointed out. Our media is screaming about atrocities but I don't see much evidence a war is being fought at all - let alone evidence of atrocities.

Has anyone seen video of cities on fire etc - the usual war stuff?
Just get on twitter. Literally thousands of videos of civilian areas being bombed. It’s just willful ignorance to deny it.

https://twitter.com/cbsnews/status/1503 ... 43906?s=21

https://twitter.com/rottenbanana101/sta ... 33321?s=21

https://twitter.com/ricardo89886956/sta ... 28709?s=21

https://twitter.com/badboybettereal/sta ... 96032?s=21

These aren’t hard to find.
There are not thousands and ALL of them are like the FOUR you managed to find - small scale shaky blurry vids of a few houses burning or someone being rescued. All unverified & issued by various Ukrainian govt agencies.

Where are the videos showing city centers or big urban areas and public buildings under attack or badly damaged? Conspicuously absent for some reason.

Meanwhile did anyone see the video of the Brit guy who traveled to Kyiv March 3 - while there was supposed to be fighting in the city - and could not find ANY sign of a war?

Very weird.
Kyiv hasn’t been attacked nearly at the same level as other cities. It wasn’t attacked at all by March 3rd. So obviously you aren’t even paying attention to the facts of this war. You think the 2 million refugees pouring into Poland is made up as well? Are those all actors?

The level of cognitive dissonance you display is pretty amazing. Yes, there are thousands of videos. The fact that you refuse to watch them doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

Fox News is showing videos right now of civilian carnage. Are they in on some big coverup?

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jonrizzy wrote: March 14th, 2022, 7:51 pm
NeveR wrote: March 14th, 2022, 7:20 pm
jonrizzy wrote: March 14th, 2022, 10:20 am
NeveR wrote: March 14th, 2022, 2:12 am

Wait though - is Putin really bombing 'thousands' of civilians? Where's the evidence? Where's all the footage of devastated cities we normally see in wars?

I'm not defending Putin. I'm pointing out the same absence of evidence others have pointed out. Our media is screaming about atrocities but I don't see much evidence a war is being fought at all - let alone evidence of atrocities.

Has anyone seen video of cities on fire etc - the usual war stuff?
Just get on twitter. Literally thousands of videos of civilian areas being bombed. It’s just willful ignorance to deny it.

https://twitter.com/cbsnews/status/1503 ... 43906?s=21

https://twitter.com/rottenbanana101/sta ... 33321?s=21

https://twitter.com/ricardo89886956/sta ... 28709?s=21

https://twitter.com/badboybettereal/sta ... 96032?s=21

These aren’t hard to find.
There are not thousands and ALL of them are like the FOUR you managed to find - small scale shaky blurry vids of a few houses burning or someone being rescued. All unverified & issued by various Ukrainian govt agencies.

Where are the videos showing city centers or big urban areas and public buildings under attack or badly damaged? Conspicuously absent for some reason.

Meanwhile did anyone see the video of the Brit guy who traveled to Kyiv March 3 - while there was supposed to be fighting in the city - and could not find ANY sign of a war?

Very weird.
Kyiv hasn’t been attacked nearly at the same level as other cities. It wasn’t attacked at all by March 3rd. So obviously you aren’t even paying attention to the facts of this war. You think the 2 million refugees pouring into Poland is made up as well? Are those all actors?

The level of cognitive dissonance you display is pretty amazing. Yes, there are thousands of videos. The fact that you refuse to watch them doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

Fox News is showing videos right now of civilian carnage. Are they in on some big coverup?
I'm not claiming anything. I'm not there and do not have a clue. And neither do you. We are all reliant on reporting from the media.

All I know is the media was claiming Kyiv was under siege on February 26

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17777650/ ... apartment/

But the Brit guy claims he was in Kyiv over a week later and NO sign there is even a war going on. He even goes out toward Irpin where there was alleged heavy fighting. There's no gun fire. Nothing.

I will try to find the guy's video. It's weird.

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https://bastyon.com/index?s=da21cec60eb ... vHxSRqWLjS

When war is on the doorstep, we need MORE dialog, not LESS. stop the censorship and start talking.

I'll leave it to you to translate this message. I think it is an important one.

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Moscow could end the Ukraine war immediately, said Peskov, if four conditions were met.

1. Ukraine should cease all military action,

2. recognize Crimea as part of Russia,

3. accept the independence of the Luhansk and Donetsk separatist enclaves,

4. and enact a constitutional commitment to “neutrality,” which would prevent Ukraine from ever joining NATO.

Were this to be done, said Peskov, the war “will stop in a moment.”

As this would restore the situation in Ukraine to the “status quo ante” that existed before Putin ordered the invasion, Peskov’s offer seemed not to be believable.

Yet, according to The New York Times, Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky “seemed surprisingly open to the idea.

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mudflap wrote: March 15th, 2022, 2:10 pm
Moscow could end the Ukraine war immediately, said Peskov, if four conditions were met.

1. Ukraine should cease all military action,

2. recognize Crimea as part of Russia,

3. accept the independence of the Luhansk and Donetsk separatist enclaves,

4. and enact a constitutional commitment to “neutrality,” which would prevent Ukraine from ever joining NATO.

Were this to be done, said Peskov, the war “will stop in a moment.”

As this would restore the situation in Ukraine to the “status quo ante” that existed before Putin ordered the invasion, Peskov’s offer seemed not to be believable.

Yet, according to The New York Times, Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky “seemed surprisingly open to the idea.
"surprisingly open"

Yeah, 'cuz the Ukies are getting destroyed. Mariupol has pretty much fallen.

The tactics that the Ukies are using are very similar to Germany at the end of WW2.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortress_Europe
https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/a ... front-1944

Ukraine is a bunch of idiots and they have the entire Western media propaganda sending people senselessly to their deaths.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1503737123261800452

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mudflap wrote: March 15th, 2022, 1:58 pm https://bastyon.com/index?s=da21cec60eb ... vHxSRqWLjS

When war is on the doorstep, we need MORE dialog, not LESS. stop the censorship and start talking.

I'll leave it to you to translate this message. I think it is an important one.
How can I work on my preps when people keep posting rabbit holes to dive into...

This site is run by a guy named Daniel Satchkov. Russian sounding name, isn't it. I searched and couldn't find much about the name, but it is similar to a lot of Russian names. One site said it found only 20 people in the world with the name.

Anyway, I found this article:

https://thecanadian.news/the-boss-of-on ... h-treason/

I wonder if they're related!

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"Vladimir Putin's secret partner Alina Kabaeva ... Kabaeva is widely believed to be the mother of Vladimir Putin's two sons and a daughter, or possibly two daughters, as Putin keeps them protected, ... in Switzerland ..
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putin kabaeva
https://search.yahoo.co.jp/search?p=put ... a&ei=UTF-8
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Interesting conversation with the late Russian expert Stephen F Cohen from 2 yrs ago

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An article claiming the CIA was training Nazi's in Ukraine at least 2 years ago:

https://archive.ph/2022.03.03-223918/ht ... biden-nato
to stop what US hawks classify as the next Hitler and Nazi Germany, Washington has been backing literal neo-Nazi militias in Ukraine, who are in turn communicating with and training homegrown white supremacists, which Washington in turn is ramping up a menacing repressive bureaucracy at home to counter. It’s what some have called the “self-licking ice cream cone” in action — the US national security establishment creating the very threats that justify itself. Instead of defusing the tensions by simply agreeing to long-standing Russian demands to set a hard limit on NATO’s eastward expansion, Washington has apparently decided that unlimited planetary military dominion is so important that it would rather just get into bed with actual fascists.

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https://www.rt.com/russia/552096-putin- ... st-speech/

posting the text because rt has been censored by most networks:
I want ordinary Western people to hear me as well. You are being persistently told that your current difficulties are the result of Russia’s hostile actions and that you have to pay from your own pockets for the efforts to counter the alleged Russian threat. All of that is a lie.
The collective West clinging on its “crumbling dominance” has been the ultimate driver of the crisis, Russian president says
President Vladimir Putin gave an extensive speech on the Ukrainian crisis on Wednesday, as he met with regional heads to discuss measures of socioeconomic support to counter the wave of anti-Russian sanctions. Putin provided his take on the ongoing conflict with Ukraine, its causes, and the goals Russia pursues.

Conflict was inevitable
Launching the “special military operation” was the only option Russia had left to end the years-long bloodshed in eastern Ukraine, Putin stressed. At the same time, limiting its scope to the breakaway Donbass republics only would only push the “frontline” westwards, rather than defuse the situation, he noted.

While waging the war against the breakaway regions of Donbass, Kiev has been preparing for a broad offensive to re-capture them, Putin said, adding that “almost 14,000 civilians, including children, have been killed” in the conflict. Ukrainian authorities also sought to attack Crimea, which split from the country back in 2014 and joined Russia via a referendum.

“Encouraged by the United States and other Western countries, Ukraine was purposefully preparing for a scenario of force, a massacre and an ethnic cleansing in Donbass. A massive onslaught on Donbass and later Crimea was just a matter of time. However, our Armed Forces have shattered these plans,” Putin said.

Kiev actively sought weapons of mass destruction
Ukrainian authorities have openly stated their goal to obtain weapons of mass destruction, namely nuclear bombs and means of their delivery, Russia’s president has said. Given the extremely hostile attitude of Kiev, such systems would have been used to target Russia once they were ready.

WHO advised Kiev to destroy disease-causing pathogens – mediaREAD MORE: WHO advised Kiev to destroy disease-causing pathogens – media
Putin also touched upon the Ukrainian biolab network allegations, raised by the Russian military amid the offensive. The facilities scattered across the country have allegedly been engaged in biological weapons development with direct support of Washington. The allegations, backed by documents published by the Russian military, have been met with varying degrees of denial from the top US officials.

“There was a network of dozens of laboratories in Ukraine, where military biological programs were conducted under the guidance and with the financial support of the Pentagon, including experiments with coronavirus strains, anthrax, cholera, African swine fever and other deadly diseases,” Putin said, adding that now “frantic attempts” are underway to conceal the “traces of these secret programs.”

Ukraine established as ‘anti-Russia’
Over the past few years, under the close guidance of their Western handlers, the Kiev authorities have morphed Ukraine into “anti-Russia”, Putin suggested. The only goal of the incumbent Kiev “regime” is to drag the conflict on for as long as possible, with little regard to the fate of the civilians or destruction that ensues.

“We are seeing again and again that the Kiev regime, for which its Western masters have set the task of creating an aggressive ‘anti-Russia’, is indifferent to the fate of the people of Ukraine themselves,” Putin said.

“It is also obvious that the Western handlers are simply pushing the Kiev authorities to continue the bloodshed. They are supplied with more and more weaponry batches, they are provided with intelligence, they also receive other assistance, including military advisers and mercenaries.”

Kiev & West exhibit ‘shocking cynicism’
Both Ukrainian authorities and the collective West have exhibited “shocking cynicism” amid the conflict, Putin said, offering the ballistic missile strike on the center of Donetsk that occurred on Monday as an example of such behavior. The strike killed at least 20 civilians.

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“They are striking randomly at squares with the fervor of fanatics and the exasperation of the doomed. They are acting like the Nazis did when they tried to drag as many innocent victims as they could to their graves,” Putin said, adding that Kiev had tried to blame the strike on Russia through “blatant lies.”

The attitude of “the so-called civilized world” to the missile strike turned to be “shocking in its extreme cynicism” as well, the president went on.

“The European and American press did not even notice this tragedy in Donetsk, as if nothing happened,” Putin said. “Just like they have been hypocritically looking the other way over the past eight years as mothers buried their children in Donbass, as elderly people were killed. This is simply moral degradation, complete de-humanization.”

Crumbling dominance of the West behind global turmoil
Ultimately, the West’s desire to maintain its global dominance is the root of the ongoing Ukrainian turmoil, as well as crises in the other parts of the globe, Putin believes.

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“Today, the entire planet has to pay the price for the ambitions of the West, for its attempts by any means to maintain its crumbling dominance,” he said.

Concerned only with their “vested interests and super profits,” the Western elites led the world into the current situation through “years of mistakes and short-sited decisions.”

For instance, the impact of the anti-Russian sanctions, imposed over the Ukrainian conflict, is already being felt by the common people in the West – while the elites have been bizarrely trying to blame it on Moscow, Putin noted.

I want ordinary Western people to hear me as well. You are being persistently told that your current difficulties are the result of Russia’s hostile actions and that you have to pay from your own pockets for the efforts to counter the alleged Russian threat. All of that is a lie.


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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... ea-warship

why would Ukraine lie about this? Why would Russia lie about this?

Questioning the narrative is the beginning of wisdom...

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Anybody speak Russian to verify what this guy is saying? It’s the Russian military directing civilians to safety and clarifying that their mission is to root out corruption in the country.

https://www.brighteon.com/a51d063f-a8d ... d783940a98


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Maroriginal1 wrote: March 17th, 2022, 12:45 pm Anybody speak Russian to verify what this guy is saying? It’s the Russian military directing civilians to safety and clarifying that their mission is to root out corruption in the country.

https://www.brighteon.com/a51d063f-a8d ... d783940a98
It's accurate.

The story about Zelensky meeting with the Polish vice PM in Kiev. . . total @#!!$#!%.

There are pictures of this meeting and the pictures of the meeting line up exactly with a luxury train that people can rent a room on that is stationed in Premzel, POLAND.

Zelensky isn't even in the country anymore. He is a coward and has a bunch of evil people forcing people to fight.


Z is an evil, evil man and are using the same tactics of Germany 1945. Fortress cities, fight until the very last man, no one surrenders-any one who surrenders or attempts to flee is executed. They are using their own people as human shields.

Just like COVID, when the truth comes out and the narrative switches . . . .look out.

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