Missionaries at Provo MTC no longer need COVID-19 vaccination, testing; masks now optional

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Awesome!!! It reflects a new sense of liberty and road correction!!! If what I am reading is true, then I’m feeling a lot happier! πŸ™πŸ˜Š

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OPMissionary wrote: ↑March 1st, 2022, 9:26 pm The quiet walking back and donkey covering continues. It's obvious they already regret the letter.

Edit: I did not type donkey 😝
you have to spell it A$$

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Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑March 1st, 2022, 8:37 pm
Niemand wrote: ↑March 1st, 2022, 8:33 pm
Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑March 1st, 2022, 8:26 pm
Niemand wrote: ↑March 1st, 2022, 8:16 pm

Not really. Border control is nothing to do with them. They can protest as much as any other person trying to enter a country but it is to do with the governments which run it. I don't think LDS missionaries would be enough to shift, say Australia. Tourists will be a bigger factor in the years to come.
But their response and what they decide to do is completely in their hands. Rather than bend over for unjust law, they should oppose. Vocally at the very least.

God is mightier than the border patrol. Too bad those men don’t serve God.
Maybe. They can offer prayers. They can't really offer legal challenges, unless a missionary is detained in a country rather than not allowed into it in the first place. The rsst is between individual missionaries and the governments of wherever.
Or they can stand for freedom and stop sending their missionaries to countries that have those mandates.
That will make zero impact on those governments and the way things are that will include a lot of countries.

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Subcomandante wrote: ↑March 1st, 2022, 9:34 pm
Alexander wrote: ↑March 1st, 2022, 5:48 pm β€œYou will now determine for yourself whether to use a facemask in all settings at the Provo MTC ... We encourage all to extend love and respect to others and their decisions.”



β€œPlease remember that these changes apply to MTC training only,” the letter said. β€œYou may still be required to wear masks, be tested, and/or be vaccinated depending on travel requirements or requirements for your assigned mission.”

The guidelines were updated as the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention relaxed mask guidelines for the majority of the country.

https://www.deseret.com/faith/2022/3/1/ ... ce=twitter

Hmm....
A step in the right direction. Let those that mask, mask, let those that don't want to mask, don't mask. Let those that choose to get vaccinated, get vaccinated, let those that choose not to get vaccinated, not to get vaccinated (except if the local mission where they will be assigned requires the vax, in that case, reassign the missionary to a freer country or stateside.

Mexico's area is still adamant about the masking policy in church. People have got to learn how to relax.
The humidity in some parts of Mexico should make this a no brainer.

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Subcomandante wrote: ↑March 1st, 2022, 9:34 pm A step in the right direction. Let those that mask, mask, let those that don't want to mask, don't mask. Let those that choose to get vaccinated, get vaccinated, let those that choose not to get vaccinated, not to get vaccinated (except if the local mission where they will be assigned requires the vax, in that case, reassign the missionary to a freer country or stateside.

Mexico's area is still adamant about the masking policy in church. People have got to learn how to relax.
How about we call evil for what it is? We can't play the ignorance card on this one. Christ didn't say, "Well, do whatever you want." No, he called out evil practices.

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Say what? wrote: ↑March 1st, 2022, 10:42 pm Awesome!!! It reflects a new sense of liberty and road correction!!! If what I am reading is true, then I’m feeling a lot happier! πŸ™πŸ˜Š
But remember, they can "never lead you astray", you can put your complete trust in these men. Why the need for a road correction in the first place... they speak for God... so I guess God was wrong...?

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Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑March 2nd, 2022, 4:19 am
Subcomandante wrote: ↑March 1st, 2022, 9:34 pm A step in the right direction. Let those that mask, mask, let those that don't want to mask, don't mask. Let those that choose to get vaccinated, get vaccinated, let those that choose not to get vaccinated, not to get vaccinated (except if the local mission where they will be assigned requires the vax, in that case, reassign the missionary to a freer country or stateside.

Mexico's area is still adamant about the masking policy in church. People have got to learn how to relax.
How about we call evil for what it is? We can't play the ignorance card on this one. Christ didn't say, "Well, do whatever you want." No, he called out evil practices.
Wearing a mask in itself to protect yourself and others is not an evil practice. FORCING people to do so, that's another story.

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Subcomandante wrote: ↑March 2nd, 2022, 7:58 am
Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑March 2nd, 2022, 4:19 am
Subcomandante wrote: ↑March 1st, 2022, 9:34 pm A step in the right direction. Let those that mask, mask, let those that don't want to mask, don't mask. Let those that choose to get vaccinated, get vaccinated, let those that choose not to get vaccinated, not to get vaccinated (except if the local mission where they will be assigned requires the vax, in that case, reassign the missionary to a freer country or stateside.

Mexico's area is still adamant about the masking policy in church. People have got to learn how to relax.
How about we call evil for what it is? We can't play the ignorance card on this one. Christ didn't say, "Well, do whatever you want." No, he called out evil practices.
Wearing a mask in itself to protect yourself and others is not an evil practice. FORCING people to do so, that's another story.
That's my thinking these days, but I'm trying to coax others out of it subtly. I also think the masks are the least of our problems - they are just a superficial and obvious thing folk can pick out. The main threats are discrimination, government repression and surveillance/IDs.

There is one thing to be said for masks, they undermine facial recognition software which is used on a lot of CCTV.

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Subcomandante wrote: ↑March 2nd, 2022, 7:58 am Wearing a mask in itself to protect yourself and others is not an evil practice. FORCING people to do so, that's another story.
You are only telling half the story. Masks do not stop the spread of airborne viruses. You are not protected, nor are those around you, by wearing a piece of fabric on your face. And even in those times when a mask stops you from spitting, the emotional side effects upon our children has been devastating. The mental conditioning is horrific. It conditioned an entire generation to be blindly obedient. The mandates were just the cherry on the top.
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Niemand wrote: ↑March 2nd, 2022, 8:07 am
Subcomandante wrote: ↑March 2nd, 2022, 7:58 am
Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑March 2nd, 2022, 4:19 am
Subcomandante wrote: ↑March 1st, 2022, 9:34 pm A step in the right direction. Let those that mask, mask, let those that don't want to mask, don't mask. Let those that choose to get vaccinated, get vaccinated, let those that choose not to get vaccinated, not to get vaccinated (except if the local mission where they will be assigned requires the vax, in that case, reassign the missionary to a freer country or stateside.

Mexico's area is still adamant about the masking policy in church. People have got to learn how to relax.
How about we call evil for what it is? We can't play the ignorance card on this one. Christ didn't say, "Well, do whatever you want." No, he called out evil practices.
Wearing a mask in itself to protect yourself and others is not an evil practice. FORCING people to do so, that's another story.
That's my thinking these days, but I'm trying to coax others out of it subtly. I also think the masks are the least of our problems - they are just a superficial and obvious thing folk can pick out. The main threats are discrimination, government repression and surveillance/IDs.

There is one thing to be said for masks, they undermine facial recognition software which is used on a lot of CCTV.
hahaha...I can just see the far right becoming maskers and the far left anti-maskers! Flip it around for totally different reasons. I remember back when it all first started how weird it was seeing people walk in a gas station or bank with a bandana covering their face--they never would have gotten away with that before! In fact, I'd be surprised if face coverings don't become banned--who knows maybe we'll be fighting for our right TO wear them some day! lol

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I can't really be happy about this. The vaccine requirement should never have been there. When you are in a jail and the guards beat you every day, and then suddenly stop, you don't feel all warm and fuzzy to the guards because they stopped beating you. The analogy is a little stretched, but lifting this requirement doesn't mean to me that "we're all good now." I'm not not going to just let them off the hook. This is just the beginning of truth winning on these vaccines, and those that promoted it, required it, enforced it, or said God said to get it still have to answer for all that. Just stopping isn't enough.

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Trucker wrote: ↑March 2nd, 2022, 8:27 am I can't really be happy about this. The vaccine requirement should never have been there. When you are in a jail and the guards beat you every day, and then suddenly stop, you don't feel all warm and fuzzy to the guards because they stopped beating you. The analogy is a little stretched, but lifting this requirement doesn't mean to me that "we're all good now." I'm not not going to just let them off the hook. This is just the beginning of truth winning on these vaccines, and those that promoted it, required it, enforced it, or said God said to get it still have to answer for all that. Just stopping isn't enough.
I would say this isn't so much the beginning of truth, but more like the Dems realizing how much it's all starting to hurt them in the polls. Impact Research issued new talking points, and, funny that, the narrative changes all of a sudden. Remember how all of a sudden, the 2020 rioting just stopped? Almost like it was...orchestrated.
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Subcomandante wrote: ↑March 1st, 2022, 9:34 pm A step in the right direction. Let those that mask, mask, let those that don't want to mask, don't mask. Let those that choose to get vaccinated, get vaccinated, let those that choose not to get vaccinated, not to get vaccinated (except if the local mission where they will be assigned requires the vax, in that case, reassign the missionary to a freer country or stateside.
Choice is great, yes. But it needs to be informed choice. We're nowhere near that.

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h_p wrote: ↑March 2nd, 2022, 9:41 am
Trucker wrote: ↑March 2nd, 2022, 8:27 am I can't really be happy about this. The vaccine requirement should never have been there. When you are in a jail and the guards beat you every day, and then suddenly stop, you don't feel all warm and fuzzy to the guards because they stopped beating you. The analogy is a little stretched, but lifting this requirement doesn't mean to me that "we're all good now." I'm not not going to just let them off the hook. This is just the beginning of truth winning on these vaccines, and those that promoted it, required it, enforced it, or said God said to get it still have to answer for all that. Just stopping isn't enough.
I would say this isn't so much the beginning of truth, but more like the Dems realizing how much it's all starting to hurt them in the polls. Impact Research issued new talking points, and, funny that, the narrative changes all of a sudden. Remember how all of a sudden, the 2020 rioting just stopped? Almost like it was...orchestrated.

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It is all propaganda. And the church will also claim that their handling of COVID was revelatory and evidence of their prophetic status.

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Serragon wrote: ↑March 2nd, 2022, 9:57 am
h_p wrote: ↑March 2nd, 2022, 9:41 am
Trucker wrote: ↑March 2nd, 2022, 8:27 am I can't really be happy about this. The vaccine requirement should never have been there. When you are in a jail and the guards beat you every day, and then suddenly stop, you don't feel all warm and fuzzy to the guards because they stopped beating you. The analogy is a little stretched, but lifting this requirement doesn't mean to me that "we're all good now." I'm not not going to just let them off the hook. This is just the beginning of truth winning on these vaccines, and those that promoted it, required it, enforced it, or said God said to get it still have to answer for all that. Just stopping isn't enough.
I would say this isn't so much the beginning of truth, but more like the Dems realizing how much it's all starting to hurt them in the polls. Impact Research issued new talking points, and, funny that, the narrative changes all of a sudden. Remember how all of a sudden, the 2020 rioting just stopped? Almost like it was...orchestrated.

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It is all propaganda. And the church will also claim that their handling of COVID was revelatory and evidence of their prophetic status.
You mean: continue to claim this.

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Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑March 2nd, 2022, 4:22 am
Say what? wrote: ↑March 1st, 2022, 10:42 pm Awesome!!! It reflects a new sense of liberty and road correction!!! If what I am reading is true, then I’m feeling a lot happier! πŸ™πŸ˜Š
But remember, they can "never lead you astray", you can put your complete trust in these men. Why the need for a road correction in the first place... they speak for God... so I guess God was wrong...?


True. And with the new statement today (March 2, 22) - reads that the Church of JCOLDS is following the lead of government and healthcare professionals around the world as it returns to normalcy.

So we have the government to blame if they lead us astray.

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Fauci can never lead us astray.

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