Did Nelson tell the California Saints to flee to Missouri?

[Robin Hood]

Most of you old gents may never get over your cognitive dissonance.

Enough of this nonsense now.
It's infantile.
Your stock falls everytime you say it.
It's thoroughly disrespectful.

And just for the record, I'm still several years from retirement.
Also for the record, you're clearly no spring chick.

But disrespect for your elders is prophesied in the scriptures... so perhaps you can't help yourself.

[Reluctant Watchman]

Most of you old gents may never get over your cognitive dissonance.

Enough of this nonsense now.
It's infantile.
Your stock falls everytime you say it.
It's thoroughly disrespectful.

And just for the record, I'm still several years from retirement.
Also for the record, you're clearly no spring chick.

But disrespect for your elders is prophesied in the scriptures... so perhaps you can't help yourself.

Ditto.
Get off your high horse. There are many of you on the forum so steeped in church culture that you can’t even entertain the idea that church leaders could be into some awful things. You’ve made up your minds. I don’t buy your logic that you’ve “proven” or “unproven” anything. You’re dealing with secret societies here. You’ve made up your mind that there’s no possibility that SRA is among church leaders. Fine, be that way. But don’t wave your “elders” flag around as a badge of honor. False beliefs, false doctrine, and false traditions are what have gotten the church to where they are today. We are seeing the “fruits” and they are rotten. Eat up my friend, I’m sure there’s plenty more to come.

And, for the record, it’s these “elders” you speak of that many ancient prophets condemned for their actions. They condemn the church leaders. These “old” people most members look to for “wisdom” are leading the church away from Christ, not to Him.

[Mamabear]

I have been (its been a while for sure) in the presence of a prophets about 4-5 and apostles about 6-8 and they always exuded kindness and integrity. You could NEVER hide a satanic spirit, it would chase the Lord's spirit away. I don't know any of the current Q15 (don't want to) but if any of what is said, it would have to have happened in the last 15 or 20 years and the notes above try to point to long ago.




First of all I hope most of the Californians don’t come to missouri. Californians fleeing california’s oppressiveness almost always bring California with them to their new home. We have enough coming from Chicago and the rest of Illinois who to a lesser degree do the same.

As to the above comment, evil people can absolutely hide their evil and appear to “have the spirit” for at least short periods of time such as the meetings you would have with a visiting authority. I personally know a few who were very evil men. Raping their wives and children and all manner of other abuse and general wickedness. One case the wife pleaded with the bishop and stake (he was on the high counsel) for help. They instead threatened her membership because they knew she was lying because “he taught so strongly with the spirit”. This of course made it worse. After a little while longer it escalated to the point the law got involved. Then it all came out. One or two kind of apologized to her after it was done but the damage was almost too much.
Another case a patriarch of a certain ethnic group in the stake was molesting all the grand kids in the chapel (he was the FM guy) They would “go to work with him” the grandma set things up. It was not known outside of the clan until after his death. There were whisperings and something wasn’t quite right but not enough to know what was up casually from outside. He was known for “praying with great faith and power”. He was personally praised and lauded on more than one occasion by both hinckley and monson and various others of the twelve for his great faith and righteousness. They felt the spirit when he prayed and spoke! “What an incredible example for the stake” evil evil evil. Yet the leaders local and other had now idea what darkness was in them. I don’t know about the current 15. I’m mostly uninterested in them. But I know that wickedness can be hidden and righteousness broadcast out.

I agree with you. There are some people that fool the best of us who think we can tell when someone is bad. There is one man in particular that shocked me. He was a bishop, very kind, spoke with the “spirit” often (or so I thought). He wasn’t at all what he appeared. There are many wolves in sheeps clothing. That is how they deceive us.

[Gadianton Slayer]

need more discernment I guess, for some it is a gift, read about spiritual gifts. But, at least I said I'd felt a spirit around some of them and sure you can hide evil, but not in a spiritual setting, maybe at work or play or in a group, but not one-one one. At least not to those who have discernment. I guess some do and some don't, like D&C says.

Are you saying that you have discernment and I do not?

[dreamtheater76]

I don't think people need the prophet tell them to flee California. People are always fleeing from California anyway.

[Robin Hood]

I don’t think you understand how mind control and split personalities work, Duke.

Oh, and you do?
Explains a lot.

[Gadianton Slayer]

I don’t think you understand how mind control and split personalities work, Duke.

Oh, and you do?
Explains a lot.

Are you interested in me sending you information about that? Or are you just looking to make another one of those condescending comments without addressing any actual information?

Yes, I think I know a decent amount about the split personalities that come from being abused. There are several documentaries that cover it well. Also, I have a friend who was raised in the church and abused. We’ve had lengthy discussions about her different recurring issues and recovered memories. I was wary of the information she presented at first, but have had the spirit witness to me that she is speaking the truth. So many things have become noticeable since realizing what those men could have been participating in.

My statement still stands, I don’t believe that Duke meeting with some of those men in person and feeling a warm tingly means that they are incapable of committing whoredoms. Look at the current 15, spewing their garbage in the name of the Lord. Many are still blinded into believing that those men are actual prophets.

[gradles21]

I've been down the SRA and temple rabbit hole before, the only thing down there that I've seen are unbelievable accusations made by clearly insane women. Yes there are plenty of wolves in sheep's clothing within the church, so maybe it's possible that there are credible accusations out there, I just haven't heard of any myself. I also think that these therapists helping insane women recover repressed memories is sketchy at best.

[Juliet]

Whether we name names or not it is true that evil exists in the world and i wonder if finding fault in others helps propogate solutions for anyone who has any fault yet to find in oneself.

[Kaarno]

I am interested on the original topic of this thread? What did Nelson say? Enough sliding let's stay on topic.

[harakim]

I have only been in a few temples, but I know maybe 40 temple workers, I worked in a couple and I know a couple temple presidents. BTW, I don't really like the presidents as my kind of person, but they would never be involved in or let any one else be involved in any thing like is listed here.

I have been (its been a while for sure) in the presence of a prophets about 4-5 and apostles about 6-8 and they always exuded kindness and integrity. You could NEVER hide a satanic spirit, it would chase the Lord's spirit away.

I guess you and Jesus have a difference of opinion on that. It was one of the things he specifically said would happen.
Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

[Gadianton Slayer]

I am interested on the original topic of this thread? What did Nelson say? Enough sliding let's stay on topic.

Here is the video:

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/bro ... 2?lang=eng

Nelson begins at about 53:45

[TheDuke]

harakim: tell me how you know Jesus was speaking of the US and LDS leaders in 2022? BTW, like I said, it has been maybe 20 years, so make it 2000' or so. but the claim the temple is used for SRA was aimed back to BY's day.

Again I personally don't see the link and the spirit tells me otherwise. And again, I'm not an RMN fan or Oaks fan particularly and am currently at odds with my Area Rep (Marky boy) for his continual "unrighteous dominion". And I will not regularly attend the temple with a mask or shot. But, when I do, I do feel the true spirit, not something shrouded in SRA. Same as talking to those who attend and work their regularly.

I would say that false Christs are likely those who say Satan runs the LDS temples. They claim knowledge of a spirit that leads people away from god. So, when the speak, to this publicly, it must be to obtain followers. Seems to fit what Jesus was saying.

[Reluctant Watchman]

I would say that false Christs are likely those who say Satan runs the LDS temples. They claim knowledge of a spirit that leads people away from god. So, when the speak, to this publicly, it must be to obtain followers. Seems to fit what Jesus was saying.

False Christs, like Paul for example. He prophesied that Satan would sit in the temple:

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

[TheDuke]

Yes, he prophesied of the "abomination of desolation" any you map this to LDS temples? Wresting of scripture. BTW there is much more that will happen when this day comes that has not yet been fulfilled. This is the anti-Christ. Show me the evidence that says LDS leaders (starting with BY as stated earlier in the thread) are the anti-Christ. Besides if you don't believe that LDS temples are righteous endeavors then they wouldn't be the temple of Jesus and would no more be mentioned by Paul than a mosque or a Baal grove, etc... The logic here doesn't even flow w/o evidence. To map scriptures from ancient to today takes both logic and evidence. WoW, JS was right about those who had the light and leave the church, turns into a snowball affect.

[Reluctant Watchman]

Yes, he prophesied of the "abomination of desolation" any you map this to LDS temples? Wresting of scripture. BTW there is much more that will happen when this day comes that has not yet been fulfilled. This is the anti-Christ. Show me the evidence that says LDS leaders (starting with BY as stated earlier in the thread) are the anti-Christ. Besides if you don't believe that LDS temples are righteous endeavors then they wouldn't be the temple of Jesus and would no more be mentioned by Paul than a mosque or a Baal grove, etc... The logic here doesn't even flow w/o evidence. To map scriptures from ancient to today takes both logic and evidence. WoW, JS was right about those who had the light and leave the church, turns into a snowball affect.

"Show me the evidence"... sure Duke. You have fun w/ your temple.

[EvanLM]

Yes, so you can fool a person, but I'm pretty sure you cannot easily fool the Holy Ghost.

But we are also not the HG. We make mistakes, and are not perfect in our judgment. I’ve thought that some people were amazing when it turned out that they have done horrific things.

A friend of mine is in jail right now for inappropriately touching a girl in his high school class, he was a teacher.

Why doesn’t the spirit always warn of things like that? Not sure. But just because you’ve met with some of those men and felt a warm tingly doesn’t mean anything.

the HG warned all right but you didn't listen because you would rather be deceived for a friend . . .not everyone is so deceived

[Gadianton Slayer]

Yes, so you can fool a person, but I'm pretty sure you cannot easily fool the Holy Ghost.

But we are also not the HG. We make mistakes, and are not perfect in our judgment. I’ve thought that some people were amazing when it turned out that they have done horrific things.

A friend of mine is in jail right now for inappropriately touching a girl in his high school class, he was a teacher.

Why doesn’t the spirit always warn of things like that? Not sure. But just because you’ve met with some of those men and felt a warm tingly doesn’t mean anything.

the HG warned all right but you didn't listen because you would rather be deceived for a friend . . .not everyone is so deceived

Lol. Don’t fall off that horse.

[EvanLM]

President Nelson said. “A heart surgeon must learn pertinent, divine law to keep a patient safe on the operating table. Likewise, when you and I live in accord with God’s laws, we will be safe as we progress along God’s covenant path toward our heavenly home.


When Latter-day Saints make covenants and participate in sacred ordinances, they yoke themselves to God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ and to Their power, said President Nelson. “This means that we do not have to face the world’s challenges alone.”

poster's note ; not scriptural . . . the only power is given to the righteous and faithful . . .the righteous and faithful will obvioously be temple covenant people, but they will also realize that amen to that (temple) priesthood for wickedness and dominion, etc. . . .when does RMN ever teach responsibility or two way covenant . . it appears that his idea of covenant is just show up and God will keep his part of the covenant


As you follow the prophet, your love for your Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ will grow, as will your desire to keep your covenants with Them. Your ability to discern between what is true and what is not will increase. You will long to be in the temple, more than ever before, because you know Whose house it is, and Who teaches you supernal truths there.”

Following the prophet is the only way to be safe during these latter-days, she concluded.

“I know that prophets speak the truth, because the Lord speaks to His prophets.”

poster's note: teachings of man? just down right blasphemy? or just pride that she is married to the guy? . . . nothing scriptural here in fact, according to her we don't need the HG since RMN is listening for us . . . we don't need Jesus or God to help us or answer our prayers cuz the prophet is the advocate for us . . .we are in cuz of the prophet . . he will put in a good word for us who follow him . . .

these are the types of teachings that cause people to stray from truth . . .the reliance on a prophet instead of God . . . Wendy is . . . in . . . now since she is sealed under the covenant, but that isn't the way we can receive salvation . . . we can't all be sealed to him and it seems her message is confused somehow with this idea . . . hmmmmm


“I have to tell you that there were many, including the parents of some missionaries beginning their service, who were not happy with their missionary children receiving smart phones,” recalled Elder Nielson. “I personally received a number of letters over the years from parents who did not want their children to be exposed to smartphones.”

poster's note . . .smart phones are idols (what alot of work to raise kids away from them and then have our leaders go against parents(NWO) . . . and facebook is the devils' game . . .large share of missionaries apostatizing, too . . no spirit in missionary work throughidols

Elder Nielson said he quickly learned that the Lord is in charge of His work and that He had prepared the Church for this day. “His work continued in ways that we had not imagined. These young men and young women who were serving missions at the time were certainly prepared for such a time as this. Today our missions continue to use all of the wonderful tools to find, teach and baptize using smartphones.”

poster's note: conversion is doooooooown and sounds like californians are leaving the church . . big surprise . .this is the day of apostasy

She recalled that in April 2020 General Conference, President Nelson gave a talk entitled “Hear Him,” in which he reviewed the importance of truly hearing the voice of the Lord. During the talk, he pleaded for Church members “to do whatever it takes to increase your spiritual capacity to receive personal revelation.” (Sis Neilson)

“I testify that the Holy Ghost can and does reveal to us things we need to know to safely navigate this life. In addition, and most importantly, the Holy Ghost will testify to you, the faithful saints who live in California, of the Savior Jesus Christ, and the critical part His Atonement plays in your life.”

poster's note ; contradicts the prophetess's speech but is all truth . . .best advice here . . .

March 25, 2020 was the day all temples were closed at the end of the day . . . 3 years started . . . serious destruction showing up in March of 2023

may God have mercy

[gruden2.0]

I have been (its been a while for sure) in the presence of a prophets about 4-5 and apostles about 6-8 and they always exuded kindness and integrity. You could NEVER hide a satanic spirit, it would chase the Lord's spirit away. I don't know any of the current Q15 (don't want to) but if any of what is said, it would have to have happened in the last 15 or 20 years and the notes above try to point to long ago.

Hmmm, Lucifer can appear as an angel of light and has fooled many people. If he can do it, why can't someone else? Some of the most heinous villains get away with it because they seem so far above reproach people refuse to believe accusations made against them.

I honestly believe some pretty bad stuff has (and may still) go down in the SLC temple basement. I don't think it's ubiquitous though. I know someone who became a temple prez for a time and I feel confident he wasn't involved in anything bad, just the opposite. There is good and bad everywhere.

What it really comes down to is discernment, it is a spiritual gift that gets very little press but I'm convinced is one of the most valuable of spiritual gifts in these times. Very few have it. Even if you do possess it, still takes effort to use it, you don't automatically know if everything is bad or good, you have to study it a bit and then it becomes apparent.

As for the current Q15, try standing in Bednar's presence and look him directly in the eyes. That might be a bit of a revelation to some people.

[harakim]

harakim: tell me how you know Jesus was speaking of the US and LDS leaders in 2022? BTW, like I said, it has been maybe 20 years, so make it 2000' or so. but the claim the temple is used for SRA was aimed back to BY's day.

Again I personally don't see the link and the spirit tells me otherwise. And again, I'm not an RMN fan or Oaks fan particularly and am currently at odds with my Area Rep (Marky boy) for his continual "unrighteous dominion". And I will not regularly attend the temple with a mask or shot. But, when I do, I do feel the true spirit, not something shrouded in SRA. Same as talking to those who attend and work their regularly.

I would say that false Christs are likely those who say Satan runs the LDS temples. They claim knowledge of a spirit that leads people away from god. So, when the speak, to this publicly, it must be to obtain followers. Seems to fit what Jesus was saying.

I'm not going to claim to know whether temples are run by Satan or not. I do know enough about temple engineering to know they engineer peaceful feelings into them. I also know enough to know most people aren't even aware of all the hidden rooms in some of the larger temples. I am not expecting or hoping you believe that Satan runs the LDS temples, I just wanted to call out that the devil is very deceptive and in these times, you have to keep an open mind or you might get tricked.

As to your first comment, Jesus was allegedly speaking about the last days and even if he wasn't, the fact that the elect could almost be deceived means the devil is very deceptive, so IMO we best be on guard.

[ransomme]

Well I have access to one temple in particular and I have seen the drawings and been over every square inch as far as I can tell. No sign of anything off. This Temple is in the 15-20k SQ/ft range.