War propaganda

[Original_Intent]

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... epic-scale

The images, pictures, videos, speeches, soundbites and the cinematography broadcast by U.S. corporate media are all purposefully intended to create a very specific outlook within the American people toward the issues in Ukraine. The leftist United Nations, and the leftist U.S State Dept, will work together on this just like they have done in the prior examples (Ukraine 1.0, Libya, Egypt, etc.).

The neocons, war promoting agents working on behalf of the UniParty and the collective globalist interests, are all united in their effort.

Unfortunately, almost everything being transmitted from corporate news into our psyche is part of a battle for your mind. The goal is to create a self-fulfilling prophecy.

The stories of the 13 guards on an island telling the Russian naval ship to f*** off… yeah, it was a lie (turns out they surrendered). The “Ghost of Kyiv” pilot, the lady with the sunflower seeds etc., now all recognized as lies and propaganda. And do not expect it to stop, because it won’t. Thus, the nature of warfare for your mind.

[blitzinstripes]

I guess I'm confused. I always thought that the Republicans were supposed to be the war mongers and the mighty MIC. Staunchly opposed by the leftist Democrats.

Now I'm supposed to believe that the Dems are the war mongers in bed with the MIC.

I guess it all depends on who is sitting in the oval office when the accusations are made.....

I do find it interesting that nearly all the R's and D's have come together in support of Ukraine. All except a minority faction representing the most extreme of the Trump loyalists. Even the majority of far right political commentators are in support of Ukraine and united in their condemnation of Russia's attack. (Minus T. Carlson).

[blitzinstripes]

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... epic-scale

The images, pictures, videos, speeches, soundbites and the cinematography broadcast by U.S. corporate media are all purposefully intended to create a very specific outlook within the American people toward the issues in Ukraine. The leftist United Nations, and the leftist U.S State Dept, will work together on this just like they have done in the prior examples (Ukraine 1.0, Libya, Egypt, etc.).

The neocons, war promoting agents working on behalf of the UniParty and the collective globalist interests, are all united in their effort.

Unfortunately, almost everything being transmitted from corporate news into our psyche is part of a battle for your mind. The goal is to create a self-fulfilling prophecy.

The stories of the 13 guards on an island telling the Russian naval ship to f*** off… yeah, it was a lie (turns out they surrendered). The “Ghost of Kyiv” pilot, the lady with the sunflower seeds etc., now all recognized as lies and propaganda. And do not expect it to stop, because it won’t. Thus, the nature of warfare for your mind.

Oh. So the Ukrainian media is a bunch of fluff propaganda. But you believe the Russians are the voice of truth. Well, thanks for clarifying that for us.

I'll turn on the Russian media, now. You've been a big help.

[SmallFarm]

I guess I'm confused. I always thought that the Republicans were supposed to be the war mongers and the mighty MIC. Staunchly opposed by the leftist Democrats.

Now I'm supposed to believe that the Dems are the war mongers in bed with the MIC.

I guess it all depends on who is sitting in the oval office when the accusations are made.....

I do find it interesting that nearly all the R's and D's have come together in support of Ukraine. All except a minority faction representing the most extreme of the Trump loyalists. Even the majority of far right political commentators are in support of Ukraine and united in their condemnation of Russia's attack. (Minus T. Carlson).

There's a few leftists against the war too. Centrists, neolibs and neocons have all taken the bait though.

[blitzinstripes]

I guess I'm confused. I always thought that the Republicans were supposed to be the war mongers and the mighty MIC. Staunchly opposed by the leftist Democrats.

Now I'm supposed to believe that the Dems are the war mongers in bed with the MIC.

I guess it all depends on who is sitting in the oval office when the accusations are made.....

I do find it interesting that nearly all the R's and D's have come together in support of Ukraine. All except a minority faction representing the most extreme of the Trump loyalists. Even the majority of far right political commentators are in support of Ukraine and united in their condemnation of Russia's attack. (Minus T. Carlson).

There's a few leftists against the war too. Centrists, neolibs and neocons have all taken the bait though.

Define "against the war".

[Original_Intent]

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... epic-scale

The images, pictures, videos, speeches, soundbites and the cinematography broadcast by U.S. corporate media are all purposefully intended to create a very specific outlook within the American people toward the issues in Ukraine. The leftist United Nations, and the leftist U.S State Dept, will work together on this just like they have done in the prior examples (Ukraine 1.0, Libya, Egypt, etc.).

The neocons, war promoting agents working on behalf of the UniParty and the collective globalist interests, are all united in their effort.

Unfortunately, almost everything being transmitted from corporate news into our psyche is part of a battle for your mind. The goal is to create a self-fulfilling prophecy.

The stories of the 13 guards on an island telling the Russian naval ship to f*** off… yeah, it was a lie (turns out they surrendered). The “Ghost of Kyiv” pilot, the lady with the sunflower seeds etc., now all recognized as lies and propaganda. And do not expect it to stop, because it won’t. Thus, the nature of warfare for your mind.

Oh. So the Ukrainian media is a bunch of fluff propaganda. But you believe the Russians are the voice of truth. Well, thanks for clarifying that for us.

I'll turn on the Russian media, now. You've been a big help.

Not at all. Kind of a terrible accusation to make, actually.

I agree with the statement that truth is the first casualty of war, and I suggest that if you don't understand that or actively disagree with it, you're either incredibly naive, or something worse.

[SmallFarm]

I guess I'm confused. I always thought that the Republicans were supposed to be the war mongers and the mighty MIC. Staunchly opposed by the leftist Democrats.

Now I'm supposed to believe that the Dems are the war mongers in bed with the MIC.

I guess it all depends on who is sitting in the oval office when the accusations are made.....

I do find it interesting that nearly all the R's and D's have come together in support of Ukraine. All except a minority faction representing the most extreme of the Trump loyalists. Even the majority of far right political commentators are in support of Ukraine and united in their condemnation of Russia's attack. (Minus T. Carlson).

There's a few leftists against the war too. Centrists, neolibs and neocons have all taken the bait though.

Define "against the war".

Against American intervention, against treaty-breaking NATO encroachment on Russia, etc. (note I said leftist NOT liberal).

[Original_Intent]

I guess I'm confused. I always thought that the Republicans were supposed to be the war mongers and the mighty MIC. Staunchly opposed by the leftist Democrats.

Now I'm supposed to believe that the Dems are the war mongers in bed with the MIC.

I guess it all depends on who is sitting in the oval office when the accusations are made.....

I do find it interesting that nearly all the R's and D's have come together in support of Ukraine. All except a minority faction representing the most extreme of the Trump loyalists. Even the majority of far right political commentators are in support of Ukraine and united in their condemnation of Russia's attack. (Minus T. Carlson).

The two parties are two wings of the same bird. Indeed, it is easy to see that when one's own party is in control, you tend to support what they do, regardless of what that is, and also tend to deride the other party especially when they are in power.

I almost wonder if most people, when something happens in the world, immediately turn to MSNBC or Fox News to find out how they are supposed to feel about it.

[blitzinstripes]

Well, it was YOU who just posted a very one sided condemnation of the claims being made by the Ukrainian defense. Claiming all their supposed victories we're lies. You didn't even mention the possibility that it was the Russians spreading false information. You also failed to cite any source at all for your claims, simply that they were "lies".

You seem to have firmly entrenched yourself in the pro Russia camp, whether you outed yourself intentionally, or not.

The truth often lies somewhere in the middle. But your post wasn't anywhere close to middle of the road, it that was your intent.

[blitzinstripes]

I guess I'm confused. I always thought that the Republicans were supposed to be the war mongers and the mighty MIC. Staunchly opposed by the leftist Democrats.

Now I'm supposed to believe that the Dems are the war mongers in bed with the MIC.

I guess it all depends on who is sitting in the oval office when the accusations are made.....

I do find it interesting that nearly all the R's and D's have come together in support of Ukraine. All except a minority faction representing the most extreme of the Trump loyalists. Even the majority of far right political commentators are in support of Ukraine and united in their condemnation of Russia's attack. (Minus T. Carlson).

There's a few leftists against the war too. Centrists, neolibs and neocons have all taken the bait though.

Define "against the war".

Against American intervention, against treaty-breaking NATO encroachment on Russia, etc. (note I said leftist NOT liberal).

But not against the invasion of a sovereign nation by it's giant neighbor? Interesting viewpoint anyway, comrade.

[Sarah]

Zero hedge is owned by a Bulgarian, former wall Street guy who was kicked out for crimes he committed. His father was involved with Russian propaganda.

[SmallFarm]

There's a few leftists against the war too. Centrists, neolibs and neocons have all taken the bait though.

Define "against the war".

Against American intervention, against treaty-breaking NATO encroachment on Russia, etc. (note I said leftist NOT liberal).

But not against the invasion of a sovereign nation by it's giant neighbor? Interesting viewpoint anyway, comrade.

I don't conversate with people who resort to logical fallacies.

[blitzinstripes]

I guess I'm confused. I always thought that the Republicans were supposed to be the war mongers and the mighty MIC. Staunchly opposed by the leftist Democrats.

Now I'm supposed to believe that the Dems are the war mongers in bed with the MIC.

I guess it all depends on who is sitting in the oval office when the accusations are made.....

I do find it interesting that nearly all the R's and D's have come together in support of Ukraine. All except a minority faction representing the most extreme of the Trump loyalists. Even the majority of far right political commentators are in support of Ukraine and united in their condemnation of Russia's attack. (Minus T. Carlson).

The two parties are two wings of the same bird. Indeed, it is easy to see that when one's own party is in control, you tend to support what they do, regardless of what that is, and also tend to deride the other party especially when they are in power.

I almost wonder if most people, when something happens in the world, immediately turn to MSNBC or Fox News to find out how they are supposed to feel about it.

Unless you have your own boots on the ground in Ukraine, and your own eyes on the situation, you will inevitably rely on some form of news agency (or at the least social media) for reporting. I watch as many as I can and try to form my own opinion. I'm sorry Alex Jones hasn't managed to get his own camera team into the conflict yet. Please let me know when he does, so I can get some factual reporting that meets your high standards of journalism.

[Original_Intent]

Zero hedge is owned by a Bulgarian, former wall Street guy who was kicked out for crimes he committed. His father was involved with Russian propaganda.

I did not know that. I still believe that almost everyone in the world is highly propagandized, and of course if it was evident, it would be very poor propaganda.

[Alexander]

Twitter thread on false information regarding Ukraine and Russia
https://twitter.com/bryandmcnally/statu ... 52899?s=21

[blitzinstripes]

Define "against the war".

Against American intervention, against treaty-breaking NATO encroachment on Russia, etc. (note I said leftist NOT liberal).

But not against the invasion of a sovereign nation by it's giant neighbor? Interesting viewpoint anyway, comrade.

I don't conversate with people who resort to logical fallacies.

Or people who call out your hypocrisy, apparently. Have a great day!

[blitzinstripes]

Twitter thread on false information regarding Ukraine and Russia
https://twitter.com/bryandmcnally/statu ... 52899?s=21

Thank God we can all rely on the accuracy of social media like Facebook and Twitter. It's great that in the last year they never attempted to censor information or provide any one sided fact checking, either.

[Alexander]

Twitter thread on false information regarding Ukraine and Russia
https://twitter.com/bryandmcnally/statu ... 52899?s=21

Thank God we can all rely on the accuracy of social media like Facebook and Twitter. It's great that in the last year they never attempted to censor information or provide any one sided fact checking, either.

I’m not stupid. I know both sides are with their propaganda

[NeveR]

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... epic-scale

The images, pictures, videos, speeches, soundbites and the cinematography broadcast by U.S. corporate media are all purposefully intended to create a very specific outlook within the American people toward the issues in Ukraine. The leftist United Nations, and the leftist U.S State Dept, will work together on this just like they have done in the prior examples (Ukraine 1.0, Libya, Egypt, etc.).

The neocons, war promoting agents working on behalf of the UniParty and the collective globalist interests, are all united in their effort.

Unfortunately, almost everything being transmitted from corporate news into our psyche is part of a battle for your mind. The goal is to create a self-fulfilling prophecy.

The stories of the 13 guards on an island telling the Russian naval ship to f*** off… yeah, it was a lie (turns out they surrendered). The “Ghost of Kyiv” pilot, the lady with the sunflower seeds etc., now all recognized as lies and propaganda. And do not expect it to stop, because it won’t. Thus, the nature of warfare for your mind.

Oh. So the Ukrainian media is a bunch of fluff propaganda. But you believe the Russians are the voice of truth. Well, thanks for clarifying that for us.

I'll turn on the Russian media, now. You've been a big help.

Well, why not listen to Russian media AND Ukraine media?

[Teancum]

Reminds me of this old thread wherein the lies and propaganda are made more evident:
viewtopic.php?p=979072#p979072

[blitzinstripes]

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... epic-scale

The images, pictures, videos, speeches, soundbites and the cinematography broadcast by U.S. corporate media are all purposefully intended to create a very specific outlook within the American people toward the issues in Ukraine. The leftist United Nations, and the leftist U.S State Dept, will work together on this just like they have done in the prior examples (Ukraine 1.0, Libya, Egypt, etc.).

The neocons, war promoting agents working on behalf of the UniParty and the collective globalist interests, are all united in their effort.

Unfortunately, almost everything being transmitted from corporate news into our psyche is part of a battle for your mind. The goal is to create a self-fulfilling prophecy.

The stories of the 13 guards on an island telling the Russian naval ship to f*** off… yeah, it was a lie (turns out they surrendered). The “Ghost of Kyiv” pilot, the lady with the sunflower seeds etc., now all recognized as lies and propaganda. And do not expect it to stop, because it won’t. Thus, the nature of warfare for your mind.

Oh. So the Ukrainian media is a bunch of fluff propaganda. But you believe the Russians are the voice of truth. Well, thanks for clarifying that for us.

I'll turn on the Russian media, now. You've been a big help.

Well, why not listen to Russian media AND Ukraine media?

Yes. I've been following literally EVERY report I can find on the conflict hoping that I can get an accurate view of my own.

[Teancum]

Propaganda is as old at time. However the more modern the times, the propaganda seems to be directed more at stirring up emotions of support or opposition, than at directing blame for historical accuracy.

http://zombietime.com/reuters_photo_fraud/

[ajax]

Fun this:

FACEBOOK ALLOWS PRAISE OF NEO-NAZI UKRAINIAN BATTALION IF IT FIGHTS RUSSIAN INVASION
https://libertarianinstitute.org/news-r ... azi-posts/

[Original_Intent]

Well, it was YOU who just posted a very one sided condemnation of the claims being made by the Ukrainian defense. Claiming all their supposed victories we're lies. You didn't even mention the possibility that it was the Russians spreading false information. You also failed to cite any source at all for your claims, simply that they were "lies".

You seem to have firmly entrenched yourself in the pro Russia camp, whether you outed yourself intentionally, or not.

The truth often lies somewhere in the middle. But your post wasn't anywhere close to middle of the road, it that was your intent.

No I am not "firmly in the Russian camp." You can find the Ukrainian side on any television station - I merely reiterate Truth is the first casualty of war.

[TheDuke]

So, the Jewish leader of Ukraine is a Neo-Nazi? He is (like many on LDS FF) saying that the holocaust was fake, that Hitler was really all about halting communism, etc...? That doesn't make sense, that is the propaganda right there.

The truth is the US and its allies made a deal to protect Ukraine if they gave up their nukes, they did and now their naked. That may be right or wrong, we may or may not have personal or national obligations to what our previous leaders promised, but to think it has anything to do with any messaging coming out of the war makes no sense. Ukraine wants to be independent. That is all they ever wanted. Russia doesn't want anyone independent but they cannot control the world but can control their old satellite countries. Waht are they worried about? NATO? Give me a break, purely defensive, not a spine among them (France, Germany, Canada) for aggression. If you don't agree, give me an example of NATO attacking anyone, at any time in any provocative manner?

I'm not saying what we should or should not do, but I do feel Ukraine has a right to its own sovernty. And no one should be able to come in and tell them what to do, take them over, or kill a single one of them. dont' need no propaganda to figure that out, not from either side.