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Borrowing from Bruce Charlton:

"When a concept has become so wide, vague, incoherent and expediently-applied as 'racism', it might include some attitudes and behaviours that could be sinful. What tends to be the overwhelming case, is that the antiracism action is ingrained with pride and envy itself. That antiracism is an evil is confirmed in practice by the fact that no extremity of antiracism is proscribed - antiracism is routinely applied without limit, regardless of context, void of balance.

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Antiracism is an act of affiliation; and what it affiliates-with is the global totalitarian establishment; which is atheist, materialist, anti-Christian, and anti-God: being an advocate and implementer of value-inversion by which (in terms of the transcendent values of truth, beauty and virtue) good is regarded as evil, evil is advocated as good."

"While antiracism is indicative of a person or institution having made the choice to ally with The System/ The Matrix/ the Virtual Reality; the choice to join one's efforts with the agents of Satan in this world.

That is, in the spiritual war of this world; to have taken the side working against God, divine creation and the Good.

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Uncontextualized anti-racism has proved itself an insatiable agent of societal and personal destruction. Therefore naturally the secular Left want to prioritise it in all situations, regardless of severity.

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It is a solid fact - by the in-practice definition of racism deployed by those in power and with influence as of 2021 - that every thing which is Good is racist.

So don't bother defending it by saying it is not racist - by your own personal and/or coherent definition of racist: your idea of 'racism' does not matter.

Those who have the capacity to impose Their usage of 'racism' upon society - e.g. those in politics, government, the mass media, law, NGOs and education... by Their definition of racism any-thing which is on the side of God and divine creation; any-body who follows Jesus Christ; any entity that is beautiful, virtuous, or truth-full - is indeed racist.

In this world of global totalitarian evil; Any Thing At All which a Christian values as Good, will - and probably sooner rather than later - be identified as racist; and will be suppressed by The Establishment.

We had better get used to the fact; and each of us decide what is ultimately most important: Good-ness or antiracism."

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It's so vague of a term, incoherent and non-existent, as it is forcefully used by the satanic establishment to tear down traditional, moral, spiritual, and religious association.

So then "racism" or "racist" as it is used today is simply anything the marxist secular culture hates, which is usually all things beautiful and Godly.

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And one of the most prevalent theories amongst modern LDS Antiracists, is this idea that the darkening of complexion was non-literal. Whether the distinguishing mark was a physical alteration of the complexion of the Lamanites, or if it was self applied cosmetics is besides the point.

The only reason one would contort the verses to mean that it wasn't a literal physical darkening of the skin, is if they were seeking to appease the critics, is if they were afraid of the Antiracists and the power of the elite.

Technically, "race" denotes some lineage of a family; continued series of descendants from a parent who is called the stock; a group of people identified as distinct from others, united or classified on the basis of traits shared by the group. This could be according to supposed physical or genetic traits, common history, nationality, or geographic distribution.

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Racism then, would be the discrimination or the distinguishing of races.

In the case of the Nephites and Lamanites, the intended outcome of the Lord's judgment was to distinguish and preserve each as its own separate lineage for the time being.

He cursed them with darkened (reddened, whatever) skin to separate and distinguish them from the Nephites - something the Lamanites wanted anyway - that thereby He might preserve his people, that they might not mix and believe in incorrect traditions which would prove their destruction.

They became loathsome in their manner and unattractive in their complexion.

'Curse', in reference to the darkened skin, is identical to the usage in Alma 30 when Korihor was struck dumb by God.

What's unjust about distinguishing two peoples?

This doesn't perpetually disallow intermingling with the Lamanites though. If they wished to assimilate, they simply had to repent and convert. In fact the Nephites made an effort to persuade their brethren back to the faith (we can see this initially in Enos 1:13-14).

The savage and loathsome manner of the Lamanites was on account of not having the blessing and light of the Lord; not possessing the recorded covenants, commandments, and prophesies of God (Mosiah 1:5). They became dark and loathsome (savage; characteristically wicked; ostensibly wild and detestable).

Secondly, the mark became a sign of their heritage, blessing, and destiny (Mormon 7).

Skin color or lineage doesn't inhibit you from reaching the heavens; the Book of Mormon teaches this liberally.

The Lamanites already desired to be their own people. The Lord simply separated and divided them, especially to preserve the Nephites. Had they not been separated, they would have been destroyed. There is nothing unjust about this since the Lamanites were warned of the consequences for disobedience. They were already the same race. Lamanites wanted to do their own thing, so God gives them what they want: a distinction from the Nephites.

Coming back to the technicality of the term 'race', to note, the Nephites and Lamanites both descend through Lehi and Ishmael. But the intention of the Lamanites was to wipe out Nephi and his seed completely. It was God's duty then, to distinguish (or separate and make different) the two so as to preserve his people, the records, traditions, and religion.

I don't think they can accurately be described as the same race if they aren't united or sharing the same features (genetic traits, common history, culture).

[In 4th Nephi they merged into one harmonious group (people; kindred; race; nation; culture; whatever you want to call them, it's all the same meaning).]





The definition today:

racism
The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
The belief that each race has distinct and intrinsic attributes.

Generally most people term "racism" as the belief of inherent superiority of one race over the others. But what does "superiority" even mean? Like economically? Spiritually? Morally?

Because I could accurately say that the Nephites were supperior to the Lamanites. They had the records, they had technology, they had God's blessing, strong leaders, etc.

What is wholly apparent from the text is that the Nephites, for a major part of the timeline, were a superior tribe in almost every way: economically, culturally, traditionally, religiously, agriculturally, technologically, industrially, phenotypically, etc.

How is superiority inherently evil? And how can this be intrinsic if not the Nephite race was completely wiped out an account of their own pride and spiritual wickedness.

Which race outlived the other? It was the Lamanites.




And as critics flock to the text to cry 'racism' we see them whining over verses such as in 3 nephi 2.

>Lamanites assimilate and merge with Nephites
>children become lighter in complexion

So, according to Antiracists, Reintegration is racist? Oh no! They intermingled? How could they!



If the drawing out (I guess segregation) and distinguishing of a sect of people out from another is evil, why are Antiracists not up in arms about Lehi and his family leaving their homeland, people, culture, etc. to venture to a new world where they would become a selected, choice, and noticeably different people?
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The Book of Jacob is very clear on why we should respect and make note of the Lamanites. God saw a beauty he wanted preserved and a lifestyle practice that moved him to blessing them, that they would NOT be entirely swept away like their brethren.

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BuriedTartaria wrote: February 27th, 2022, 11:39 am The Book of Jacob is very clear on why we should respect and make note of the Lamanites. God saw a beauty he wanted preserved and a lifestyle practice that moved him to blessing them, that they would NOT be entirely swept away like their brethren.
Interesting that a God so “favorable” of the Nephites allowed them be utterly annihilated, and made promises of the blossoming and blessing that will come upon the Lamanites in the last days, a tribe infamous for savagery and corruption...

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Alexander wrote: February 27th, 2022, 1:08 pm
BuriedTartaria wrote: February 27th, 2022, 11:39 am The Book of Jacob is very clear on why we should respect and make note of the Lamanites. God saw a beauty he wanted preserved and a lifestyle practice that moved him to blessing them, that they would NOT be entirely swept away like their brethren.
Interesting that a God so “favorable” of the Nephites allowed them be utterly annihilated, and made promises of the blossoming and blessing that will come upon the Lamanites in the last days, a tribe infamous for savagery and corruption...
Jacob explains he spares the Lamanites for their practice of monogamy

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Is it? It's about two tribes of the same ethnic stock who fought each other. That's the short version. The longer version is that the divide isn't neat, one or two other groups enter the scene and split off from them. Thè Lamanites and Nephites are basically two branches of the family descended from the two sets of brothers.

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BuriedTartaria wrote: February 27th, 2022, 1:13 pm
Alexander wrote: February 27th, 2022, 1:08 pm
BuriedTartaria wrote: February 27th, 2022, 11:39 am The Book of Jacob is very clear on why we should respect and make note of the Lamanites. God saw a beauty he wanted preserved and a lifestyle practice that moved him to blessing them, that they would NOT be entirely swept away like their brethren.
Interesting that a God so “favorable” of the Nephites allowed them be utterly annihilated, and made promises of the blossoming and blessing that will come upon the Lamanites in the last days, a tribe infamous for savagery and corruption...
Jacob explains he spares the Lamanites for their practice of monogamy
Those damn monogamists got divine preferential treatment!

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Niemand wrote: February 27th, 2022, 1:16 pm Is it? It's about two tribes of the same ethnic stock who fought each other. That's the short version. The longer version is that the divide isn't neat, one or two other groups enter the scene and split off from them. Thè Lamanites and Nephites are basically two branches of the family descended from the two sets of brothers.
What do you think a tribe is but a distinct race?

TRIBE [noun]
A family, race or series of generations, descending from the same progenitor and kept distinct

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To our opinion of the word, Jesus was racist

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Bronco73idi wrote: February 27th, 2022, 1:23 pm To our opinion of the word, Jesus was racist
God blessed the Adamic race above the other races... asked that they do not intermingle with the races of men...

God blessed the Shemitic race above the others... asked them not to intermingle with the races of men...

The Jews obtained the covenant before the Gentiles did...

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Bring called racist is the surest way to know you're getting too close to the truth. There's nothing wrong with being proud of who you are and having a sense of cultural identity. Satan wants you to be ashamed of your skin color and feel guilty for your uniqueness. 'White people' are amazing. They've brought some of the greatest civilizations, architecture, art, and ideas to the world. Some of the kindest, best, most intelligent, sensitive and beautiful people I have known are 'white.' This is something to be proud of, not ashamed. If you are being compelled to feel guilty or worthless because of your strengths and good characteristics then that is coming from Satan, not God. If there are people out there who feel jealous or bitter toward you because of the 'past sins' of your race then they are the prejudiced ones, not you. There is an agenda in the world to punish greatness and celebrate ugliness. This is why traditionally 'white' or Euro-centric values and people are being shamed- they have a history of great and beautiful culture and life that is an affront to post modern ugliness and decadence. 'White people' have become the number one enemy to the powers that be and that's why little white children are being taught that they are internally wicked. We cannot let them shame us into guilty compliance any more. It's time to stop apologizing.

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Alexander wrote: February 27th, 2022, 1:21 pm
Niemand wrote: February 27th, 2022, 1:16 pm Is it? It's about two tribes of the same ethnic stock who fought each other. That's the short version. The longer version is that the divide isn't neat, one or two other groups enter the scene and split off from them. Thè Lamanites and Nephites are basically two branches of the family descended from the two sets of brothers.
What do you think a tribe is but a distinct race?

TRIBE [noun]
A family, race or series of generations, descending from the same progenitor and kept distinct
I think a tribe is a much lesser distinction than a race. There are plenty of tribes and nations of the same race. The Tongans and Samoans are the same race. So are the Poles and Germans even though the National Socialists would say otherwise.

The use of race to describe much smaller units is out of fashion. But some people would even use it ro describe families in the old days, and at the other end of the spectrum you have people talking about the human race - something which long predates wokeness... I don't agree with either of these usages really.

I've heard a strong argument that the dark skin of the Lamanites was as much to do with their lifestyle and exposure to the elements. If they were wearing a few skins, living in tents and walking about in the sun, they would look more tanned than Nephites who wore a lot of clothes and lived in solid buildings.

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Alexander wrote: February 27th, 2022, 1:25 pm
Bronco73idi wrote: February 27th, 2022, 1:23 pm To our opinion of the word, Jesus was racist
God blessed the Adamic race above the other races... asked that they do not intermingle with the races of men...

God blessed the Shemitic race above the others... asked them not to intermingle with the races of men...

The Jews obtained the covenant before the Gentiles did...
I don’t disagree with you.

The seed of beast will be mix with the seed of men, the house of Judah and the house of Israel. Jeremiah 31:27. I said it backwards for effect.

Knowledge is more important then emotional opinions. If you think the Bible has always been racist then you can properly explain the aborigines.

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Niemand wrote: February 27th, 2022, 1:30 pm
Alexander wrote: February 27th, 2022, 1:21 pm
Niemand wrote: February 27th, 2022, 1:16 pm Is it? It's about two tribes of the same ethnic stock who fought each other. That's the short version. The longer version is that the divide isn't neat, one or two other groups enter the scene and split off from them. Thè Lamanites and Nephites are basically two branches of the family descended from the two sets of brothers.
What do you think a tribe is but a distinct race?

TRIBE [noun]
A family, race or series of generations, descending from the same progenitor and kept distinct
I think a tribe is a much lesser distinction than a race. There are plenty of tribes and nations of the same race. The Tongans and Samoans are the same race. So are the Poles and Germans even though the National Socialists would say otherwise.

The use of race to describe much smaller units is out of fashion. But some people would even use it ro describe families in the old days, and at the other end of the spectrum you have people talking about the human race - something which long predates wokeness... I don't agree with either of these usages really.
Interesting. Yeah I guess 'tribe' would maybe be more of a 'sub-race' classification, as you say a lesser distinction. So then would be say the Book of Mormon is 'tribalist'? I'm still trying to find the differentiation between a tribe and a race.
I've heard a strong argument that the dark skin of the Lamanites was as much to do with their lifestyle and exposure to the elements. If they were wearing a few skins, living in tents and walking about in the sun, they would look more tanned than Nephites who wore a lot of clothes and lived in solid buildings.
As far as the record is concerned, it says it didn't happen gradually.

"And the Lord spake it, and it was done."

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Alexander wrote: February 27th, 2022, 1:18 pm Those damn monogamists got divine preferential treatment!
I wonder why Abraham and Jacob got preferential treatment 🤔

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Alexander wrote: February 27th, 2022, 3:02 pm
Niemand wrote: February 27th, 2022, 1:30 pm
Alexander wrote: February 27th, 2022, 1:21 pm
Niemand wrote: February 27th, 2022, 1:16 pm Is it? It's about two tribes of the same ethnic stock who fought each other. That's the short version. The longer version is that the divide isn't neat, one or two other groups enter the scene and split off from them. Thè Lamanites and Nephites are basically two branches of the family descended from the two sets of brothers.
What do you think a tribe is but a distinct race?

TRIBE [noun]
A family, race or series of generations, descending from the same progenitor and kept distinct
I think a tribe is a much lesser distinction than a race. There are plenty of tribes and nations of the same race. The Tongans and Samoans are the same race. So are the Poles and Germans even though the National Socialists would say otherwise.

The use of race to describe much smaller units is out of fashion. But some people would even use it ro describe families in the old days, and at the other end of the spectrum you have people talking about the human race - something which long predates wokeness... I don't agree with either of these usages really.
Interesting. Yeah I guess 'tribe' would maybe be more of a 'sub-race' classification, as you say a lesser distinction. So then would be say the Book of Mormon is 'tribalist'? I'm still trying to find the differentiation between a tribe and a race.
I've heard a strong argument that the dark skin of the Lamanites was as much to do with their lifestyle and exposure to the elements. If they were wearing a few skins, living in tents and walking about in the sun, they would look more tanned than Nephites who wore a lot of clothes and lived in solid buildings.
As far as the record is concerned, it says it didn't happen gradually.

"And the Lord spake it, and it was done."
The Book of Mormon is certainly tribalist. What's great about the BoM is now and then you get an insight into the Lamanites' grievances, e.g. Nephi was a younger brother, that they felt they had been treated badly by the Nephites etc. Mostly it is the Nephite account, but not always.

The Lamanites and their ancestors went degenerate in some cases pretty quickly. In fact Laman and his friends were moaning before they even left the Old World. They rebelled on the ship, and then they rebelled in the new land, and went into the wilds.

People can change quickly. I had some cousins who moved to the States when they were very young. We got sent photos of them a few months after they arrived and they looked completely different - very American in fact. I was only little at the time but said so to my parents. I don't know if it was the change of diet, getting more sunlight, chewing more gum or what it was, but they did look different.

Here's my take on it:
Individual
Family
Band (early Lamanites)/extended family
Clan
Tribe
People
Nation (some nations can consist of more than one people)
Race

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Only 3 distinct races alive today. The rest are subcategories of those 3.

Some people will say all there isn’t 3 races and we are all one family, modern religious stand point.

There is evidence of African people in South America before Columbus.

How do they know the skeletons were of African descent? The skull is shaped of the negroid race.

Negroid, Mongoloid, and Caucasoid.

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Bronco73idi wrote: February 27th, 2022, 4:19 pm Only 3 distinct races alive today. The rest are subcategories of those 3.

Some people will say all there isn’t 3 races and we are all one family, modern religious stand point.

There is evidence of African people in South America before Columbus.

How do they know the skeletons were of African descent? The skull is shaped of the negroid race.

Negroid, Mongoloid, and Caucasoid.
Pretty much, but there are zones where these intermingle - the Russians, the North Africans etc.

There are some groups which don't fit neatly into the three.

* Natives of the Americas (bar Eskimos/Inuit etc) are distinct from Mongoloids although they resemble them.
* The blacks of south Asia, Australia, Papua New Guinea and the Pacific Islands are not quite negroid and have mostly less contact with Africa than Europeans.
* The honey coloured Bushmen and folk in the far south of Africa are distinctive from the bigger black groups.
* The Ainu of northern Japan used to look a bit like Caucasians before interbreeding, but appear to be unrelated.

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The Ancient Ainu were a white people, much like unto Jews in appearance, I had an early victorian book were apon a photographer went around the earth taking pictures of all the tribes and peoples of the earth, he went to the japanese island were the Ainu were driven onto by the Yellow skinned peoples, this is before they were intergrated with the yellow skinned peoples.
They were a tall white people with black beards like the Jews, the story given to the early victorian british photographer by the Ainu was that their ancestors in the early centuries had once ruled and lived over all the Isles of Japan and then the yellow skinned people invaded and driven them onto the island of Hokkaido..............
They suffered greatly their numbers diminished and the yellow skinned Japanese finally made them intermarry, hence today there are few if any full blood Ainu left............

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The individuals up in arms about the Lamanite darkened/reddened skin signifying displeasure and detestation are the same individuals generalizing “whiteness” as heinous on account of so called “wicked” actions from the predecessors of those with white complexion...

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Alexander wrote: March 3rd, 2022, 1:04 pm The individuals up in arms about the Lamanite darkened/reddened skin signifying displeasure and detestation are the same individuals generalizing “whiteness” as heinous on account of so called “wicked” actions from the predecessors of those with white complexion...
Both have their physical advantages. I'm very good at soaking up Vitamin D in high latitudes compared to a darker person, but I'd also fry in a tropical clImate.

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