Putin waves nuclear sword in confrontation with the West

[spiritMan]

And it was a quid pro quo. You go into Western Europe we nuke you, we go into Eastern Europe you nuke us.

What do you think the US overthrowing Ukraine in 2014 and us pushing them to join NATO is?

Absolutely.
Instead of anchoring Ukraine to the west by admitting them to NATO, they should simply have admitted them into the European Union. There is no way the Russians could have objected to that to the extent of military action.
But the EU weren't capable of getting their act together to make this happen.

Both were bad. My goodness why not just let Ukraine be Ukraine either a neutral state or allied with Russia. What is so incredibly bad about that.

This reminds me of King David and Bathsheba. David had all these wives but he got greedy, he couldn't let one woman who looked pretty to him escape so he had to damn his soul to get her.

Does the West really need Ukraine . . .NO! The only reason for the West to get Ukraine is to utterly and completely dominate Russia.

It is perfectly possible for a neutral country to be in the EU - eg. Ireland, Austria, Sweden, Finland.

Sure, I agree. And so does Russia.

One of Russia's stated goals is for Ukraine to be a neutral country and for it to demilitarize.

[blitzinstripes]

Russia doesn't respect the West and it's degenerate values and neither does China.



China is waiting in the wings. That's one ace up the sleeve. Things have the potential to go really, really bad. The BEST thing that could happen is that the US makes show but ultimately lets Russia take Ukraine. China will also take Taiwan . . .again we should just make show and let them take it and then see how things shake out.

It's unfortunate, but the US is NOT playing from a position of strength here. We don't manufacture jack at home. We import everything, we export dollars.

You mean to say that the takeover of American society by progressive liberals in big business, politics and entertainment has not cultivated a strong country that is respected and feared? You're completely right and I hope every moderate that was and has been a progressive politics sympathizer throughout their life remembers the role they played in destroying the United States in the years to come. The beasts in the Book of Revelation can smell blood. God warned us over and over.

To be fair, certainly hypocrisy in the behavior of people who proclaimed to stand for the US Constitution (that by following it, we may have been protected from destruction from within and without) and the Christian values these lands are ordained to follow also played a role in us reaching this point.



And is Putin lying here?

Putin justified Thursday’s drastic action in a televised speech claiming that Ukraine must be purged of “far-right nationalists and neo-Nazis.” Putin also claimed that Ukraine belongs to the Russian Federation.

“Ukraine is not just a neighboring country for us. It is an inalienable part of our own history, culture, and spiritual space. Since time immemorial, the people living in the south-west of what has historically been Russian land have called themselves Russians,” Putin said.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/russia-t ... e-invasion

Biden and the US are weak so he went for a power grab they feel justified in.

Cowering in fear of his threats is meaningless.

It's not "cowering" it's called compromise. It's called finding a solution to avoid things.

The West has not given Russia a SINGLE thing. When you are dealing with another nuclear power, that is what you do-you compromise.

USSR puts nukes in Cuba. We say we'll remove things from Turkey if you remove nukes from Cuba. Both happens, problem solved.

With your idiotic reasoning you would have taken us into a nuclear war in the 1960s.

But this isn't the 1960's. Putin crossed a line when the entire free world told him for months not to do it. I still can't believe you're defending his actions. Then you post tweets by George Soros condemning Russia as if that suddenly supports your position and delineates right and wrong here. I read that differently. I read that, even the delusional, evil Soros can occasionally see the light and against all odds find himself but rarely, on the right side of history. I think you continue to cling to an outdated party line viewpoint here. Aka Tucker Carlson. A crisis like this will require bipartisan support. It's no time for the typical BS politics and finger pointing.

[Robin Hood]

Absolutely.
Instead of anchoring Ukraine to the west by admitting them to NATO, they should simply have admitted them into the European Union. There is no way the Russians could have objected to that to the extent of military action.
But the EU weren't capable of getting their act together to make this happen.

Both were bad. My goodness why not just let Ukraine be Ukraine either a neutral state or allied with Russia. What is so incredibly bad about that.

This reminds me of King David and Bathsheba. David had all these wives but he got greedy, he couldn't let one woman who looked pretty to him escape so he had to damn his soul to get her.

Does the West really need Ukraine . . .NO! The only reason for the West to get Ukraine is to utterly and completely dominate Russia.

Ukraine didn't want to be allied with Russia. There is a lot of bad blood. Most Ukrainians threw their lot in with Germany in the last war. Afterwards, Stalin exacted his revenge and millions of Ukranians died.
It is perfectly possible for a neutral country to be in the EU - eg. Ireland, Austria, Sweden, Finland.

WRONG. The US instigated a coup in 2014 and installed a US puppet.

I was in Ukraine not too long ago, in the middle of Kiev. We were looking for a good restaurant and saw one called "The Barricade"-it celebrated the 2014 revolution. My wife asked a RANDOM stranger, hey is that a good restaurant.

The response, "bah, it's full of propaganda".

What was "WRONG" in what I said?
What I said is factually correct, irrespective of what restaurant you wanted to eat at.

The "coup" you refer to is the overthrow of a government who were trying to take the country into closer alignment with Russia against the will of the majority of the people. A policy said government didn't mention during the previous election campaign. The people felt they were deliberately deceived.
I'm not saying the reaction of the West was appropriate, but I am saying there is absolutely no love lost between Ukraine and Russia, except for the ethnic Russians in the east of the Ukraine.

[spiritMan]

You mean to say that the takeover of American society by progressive liberals in big business, politics and entertainment has not cultivated a strong country that is respected and feared? You're completely right and I hope every moderate that was and has been a progressive politics sympathizer throughout their life remembers the role they played in destroying the United States in the years to come. The beasts in the Book of Revelation can smell blood. God warned us over and over.

To be fair, certainly hypocrisy in the behavior of people who proclaimed to stand for the US Constitution (that by following it, we may have been protected from destruction from within and without) and the Christian values these lands are ordained to follow also played a role in us reaching this point.



And is Putin lying here?

Putin justified Thursday’s drastic action in a televised speech claiming that Ukraine must be purged of “far-right nationalists and neo-Nazis.” Putin also claimed that Ukraine belongs to the Russian Federation.

“Ukraine is not just a neighboring country for us. It is an inalienable part of our own history, culture, and spiritual space. Since time immemorial, the people living in the south-west of what has historically been Russian land have called themselves Russians,” Putin said.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/russia-t ... e-invasion

Biden and the US are weak so he went for a power grab they feel justified in.

Cowering in fear of his threats is meaningless.

It's not "cowering" it's called compromise. It's called finding a solution to avoid things.

The West has not given Russia a SINGLE thing. When you are dealing with another nuclear power, that is what you do-you compromise.

USSR puts nukes in Cuba. We say we'll remove things from Turkey if you remove nukes from Cuba. Both happens, problem solved.

With your idiotic reasoning you would have taken us into a nuclear war in the 1960s.

But this isn't the 1960's. Putin crossed a line when the entire free world told him for months not to do it. I still can't believe you're defending his actions. Then you post tweets by George Soros condemning Russia as if that suddenly supports your position and delineates right and wrong here. I read that differently. I read that, even the delusional, evil Soros can occasionally see the light and against all odds find himself but rarely, on the right side of history. I think you continue to cling to an outdated party line viewpoint here. Aka Tucker Carlson. A crisis like this will require bipartisan support. It's no time for the typical BS politics and finger pointing.

And Putin told the world not to cross a line.

This ain't the Russia of the 90s. They are a superpower and you don't treat superpowers like some piddly 3rd world country like Iraq that you can boss around whenever you please.

[spiritMan]

Both were bad. My goodness why not just let Ukraine be Ukraine either a neutral state or allied with Russia. What is so incredibly bad about that.

This reminds me of King David and Bathsheba. David had all these wives but he got greedy, he couldn't let one woman who looked pretty to him escape so he had to damn his soul to get her.

Does the West really need Ukraine . . .NO! The only reason for the West to get Ukraine is to utterly and completely dominate Russia.

Ukraine didn't want to be allied with Russia. There is a lot of bad blood. Most Ukrainians threw their lot in with Germany in the last war. Afterwards, Stalin exacted his revenge and millions of Ukranians died.
It is perfectly possible for a neutral country to be in the EU - eg. Ireland, Austria, Sweden, Finland.

WRONG. The US instigated a coup in 2014 and installed a US puppet.

I was in Ukraine not too long ago, in the middle of Kiev. We were looking for a good restaurant and saw one called "The Barricade"-it celebrated the 2014 revolution. My wife asked a RANDOM stranger, hey is that a good restaurant.

The response, "bah, it's full of propaganda".

What was "WRONG" in what I said?
What I said is factually correct, irrespective of what restaurant you wanted to eat at.

The "coup" you refer to is the overthrow of a government who were trying to take the country into closer alignment with Russia against the will of the majority of the people. A policy said government didn't mention during the previous election campaign. The people felt they were deliberately deceived.
I'm not saying the reaction of the West was appropriate, but I am saying there is absolutely no love lost between Ukraine and Russia, except for the ethnic Russians in the east of the Ukraine.

It's called a Color Revolution for a reason. It was a CIA orchestrated overthrow, just like the Shah of Iran. They didn't elect him.

[Robin Hood]

Absolutely.
Instead of anchoring Ukraine to the west by admitting them to NATO, they should simply have admitted them into the European Union. There is no way the Russians could have objected to that to the extent of military action.
But the EU weren't capable of getting their act together to make this happen.

Both were bad. My goodness why not just let Ukraine be Ukraine either a neutral state or allied with Russia. What is so incredibly bad about that.

This reminds me of King David and Bathsheba. David had all these wives but he got greedy, he couldn't let one woman who looked pretty to him escape so he had to damn his soul to get her.

Does the West really need Ukraine . . .NO! The only reason for the West to get Ukraine is to utterly and completely dominate Russia.

It is perfectly possible for a neutral country to be in the EU - eg. Ireland, Austria, Sweden, Finland.

Sure, I agree. And so does Russia.

One of Russia's stated goals is for Ukraine to be a neutral country and for it to demilitarize.

Neutrality is one thing, de-militarisation is quite another. Why should a country give up the right to defend itself?
It's the equivalent of the right to bare arms being overturned on a national scale.
Ukraine is no threat to Russia, armed or otherwise.

[spiritMan]

Both were bad. My goodness why not just let Ukraine be Ukraine either a neutral state or allied with Russia. What is so incredibly bad about that.

This reminds me of King David and Bathsheba. David had all these wives but he got greedy, he couldn't let one woman who looked pretty to him escape so he had to damn his soul to get her.

Does the West really need Ukraine . . .NO! The only reason for the West to get Ukraine is to utterly and completely dominate Russia.

Ukraine didn't want to be allied with Russia. There is a lot of bad blood. Most Ukrainians threw their lot in with Germany in the last war. Afterwards, Stalin exacted his revenge and millions of Ukranians died.
It is perfectly possible for a neutral country to be in the EU - eg. Ireland, Austria, Sweden, Finland.

WRONG. The US instigated a coup in 2014 and installed a US puppet.

I was in Ukraine not too long ago, in the middle of Kiev. We were looking for a good restaurant and saw one called "The Barricade"-it celebrated the 2014 revolution. My wife asked a RANDOM stranger, hey is that a good restaurant.

The response, "bah, it's full of propaganda".

What was "WRONG" in what I said?
What I said is factually correct, irrespective of what restaurant you wanted to eat at.

The "coup" you refer to is the overthrow of a government who were trying to take the country into closer alignment with Russia against the will of the majority of the people. A policy said government didn't mention during the previous election campaign. The people felt they were deliberately deceived.
I'm not saying the reaction of the West was appropriate, but I am saying there is absolutely no love lost between Ukraine and Russia, except for the ethnic Russians in the east of the Ukraine.

And sure there might be some bad blood; but they are intermarried quite a bit there.

The Ukraines have to realize Russia was never going to let them join NATO or stay long allied with the West. That's just a fact.

[Robin Hood]

Ukraine didn't want to be allied with Russia. There is a lot of bad blood. Most Ukrainians threw their lot in with Germany in the last war. Afterwards, Stalin exacted his revenge and millions of Ukranians died.
It is perfectly possible for a neutral country to be in the EU - eg. Ireland, Austria, Sweden, Finland.

WRONG. The US instigated a coup in 2014 and installed a US puppet.

I was in Ukraine not too long ago, in the middle of Kiev. We were looking for a good restaurant and saw one called "The Barricade"-it celebrated the 2014 revolution. My wife asked a RANDOM stranger, hey is that a good restaurant.

The response, "bah, it's full of propaganda".

What was "WRONG" in what I said?
What I said is factually correct, irrespective of what restaurant you wanted to eat at.

The "coup" you refer to is the overthrow of a government who were trying to take the country into closer alignment with Russia against the will of the majority of the people. A policy said government didn't mention during the previous election campaign. The people felt they were deliberately deceived.
I'm not saying the reaction of the West was appropriate, but I am saying there is absolutely no love lost between Ukraine and Russia, except for the ethnic Russians in the east of the Ukraine.

And sure there might be some bad blood; but they are intermarried quite a bit there.

The Ukraines have to realize Russia was never going to let them join NATO or stay long allied with the West. That's just a fact.

That isn't Russia's call.
Think Cuban missile crisis.

[spiritMan]

Both were bad. My goodness why not just let Ukraine be Ukraine either a neutral state or allied with Russia. What is so incredibly bad about that.

This reminds me of King David and Bathsheba. David had all these wives but he got greedy, he couldn't let one woman who looked pretty to him escape so he had to damn his soul to get her.

Does the West really need Ukraine . . .NO! The only reason for the West to get Ukraine is to utterly and completely dominate Russia.

It is perfectly possible for a neutral country to be in the EU - eg. Ireland, Austria, Sweden, Finland.

Sure, I agree. And so does Russia.

One of Russia's stated goals is for Ukraine to be a neutral country and for it to demilitarize.

Ukraine is no threat to Russia, armed or otherwise.

As long as they aren't allied with the West, I agree. And so would Russia.
Before this started that was Russia's main request. You will not join NATO or the EU.

And idiot Zelensky had to threaten that Ukraine should get nuclear weapons again. That guy is a joke, you don't make idiotic comments like that when your neighbor has you surrounded on 3 sides and you tell you populace "there is no threat of invasion". The guy was a complete joke. . . that's what you get when you elect a comic for President.

[spiritMan]

WRONG. The US instigated a coup in 2014 and installed a US puppet.

I was in Ukraine not too long ago, in the middle of Kiev. We were looking for a good restaurant and saw one called "The Barricade"-it celebrated the 2014 revolution. My wife asked a RANDOM stranger, hey is that a good restaurant.

The response, "bah, it's full of propaganda".

What was "WRONG" in what I said?
What I said is factually correct, irrespective of what restaurant you wanted to eat at.

The "coup" you refer to is the overthrow of a government who were trying to take the country into closer alignment with Russia against the will of the majority of the people. A policy said government didn't mention during the previous election campaign. The people felt they were deliberately deceived.
I'm not saying the reaction of the West was appropriate, but I am saying there is absolutely no love lost between Ukraine and Russia, except for the ethnic Russians in the east of the Ukraine.

And sure there might be some bad blood; but they are intermarried quite a bit there.

The Ukraines have to realize Russia was never going to let them join NATO or stay long allied with the West. That's just a fact.

That isn't Russia's call.

When you are a next door neighbor to a superpower . . .it actually is.

That's the problem no one wants to admit Russia is a superpower and therefore they don't treat Russia like a superpower and that's exactly what drove this to a war and it's what will drive it to a world war if people don't get their heads out of their rears.

[spiritMan]

WRONG. The US instigated a coup in 2014 and installed a US puppet.

I was in Ukraine not too long ago, in the middle of Kiev. We were looking for a good restaurant and saw one called "The Barricade"-it celebrated the 2014 revolution. My wife asked a RANDOM stranger, hey is that a good restaurant.

The response, "bah, it's full of propaganda".

What was "WRONG" in what I said?
What I said is factually correct, irrespective of what restaurant you wanted to eat at.

The "coup" you refer to is the overthrow of a government who were trying to take the country into closer alignment with Russia against the will of the majority of the people. A policy said government didn't mention during the previous election campaign. The people felt they were deliberately deceived.
I'm not saying the reaction of the West was appropriate, but I am saying there is absolutely no love lost between Ukraine and Russia, except for the ethnic Russians in the east of the Ukraine.

And sure there might be some bad blood; but they are intermarried quite a bit there.

The Ukraines have to realize Russia was never going to let them join NATO or stay long allied with the West. That's just a fact.

That isn't Russia's call.
Think Cuban missile crisis.

Yes Cuban missile crisis is exactly what it is.

As long as Russia didn't use Cuba as a military base, the US was okay with Cuba.
As long as the US didn't use Ukraine as a military base (NATO), Russia was okay with Ukraine.

We didn't respect Russia's request and now we've got a war.

[Robin Hood]

What was "WRONG" in what I said?
What I said is factually correct, irrespective of what restaurant you wanted to eat at.

The "coup" you refer to is the overthrow of a government who were trying to take the country into closer alignment with Russia against the will of the majority of the people. A policy said government didn't mention during the previous election campaign. The people felt they were deliberately deceived.
I'm not saying the reaction of the West was appropriate, but I am saying there is absolutely no love lost between Ukraine and Russia, except for the ethnic Russians in the east of the Ukraine.

And sure there might be some bad blood; but they are intermarried quite a bit there.

The Ukraines have to realize Russia was never going to let them join NATO or stay long allied with the West. That's just a fact.

That isn't Russia's call.

When you are a next door neighbor to a superpower . . .it actually is.

That's the problem no one wants to admit Russia is a superpower and therefore they don't treat Russia like a superpower and that's exactly what drove this to a war and it's what will drive it to a world war if people don't get their heads out of their rears.

I edited my post to add "think Cuban missile crisis".

The US was faced with a similar dilemma but didn't need to invade and take over the country.

[blitzinstripes]

Thankfully, it appears a majority of Republicans are also showing their support for Ukraine. Again. No time for partisan BS. The world is responding.

It was Putin that took diplomacy off the table. There were many options at his disposal. NATO never offered Ukraine membership, they simply refused to guarantee that it would NEVER happen. There's a huge difference. He lost all legitimacy in this debate when he invaded.

[spiritMan]

WRONG. The US instigated a coup in 2014 and installed a US puppet.

I was in Ukraine not too long ago, in the middle of Kiev. We were looking for a good restaurant and saw one called "The Barricade"-it celebrated the 2014 revolution. My wife asked a RANDOM stranger, hey is that a good restaurant.

The response, "bah, it's full of propaganda".

What was "WRONG" in what I said?
What I said is factually correct, irrespective of what restaurant you wanted to eat at.

The "coup" you refer to is the overthrow of a government who were trying to take the country into closer alignment with Russia against the will of the majority of the people. A policy said government didn't mention during the previous election campaign. The people felt they were deliberately deceived.
I'm not saying the reaction of the West was appropriate, but I am saying there is absolutely no love lost between Ukraine and Russia, except for the ethnic Russians in the east of the Ukraine.

And sure there might be some bad blood; but they are intermarried quite a bit there.

The Ukraines have to realize Russia was never going to let them join NATO or stay long allied with the West. That's just a fact.

That isn't Russia's call.
Think Cuban missile crisis.

You are treating this like Ukraine is somehow a fully independent nation; it's not. It's been a US puppet regime. That's why Zelensky is begging for help. He didn't think the US would actually abandon him. All that bribe money from the US to do the US's bidding, he figured we'd provide the muscle when push came to shove.

And he got abandoned.

[Robin Hood]

What was "WRONG" in what I said?
What I said is factually correct, irrespective of what restaurant you wanted to eat at.

The "coup" you refer to is the overthrow of a government who were trying to take the country into closer alignment with Russia against the will of the majority of the people. A policy said government didn't mention during the previous election campaign. The people felt they were deliberately deceived.
I'm not saying the reaction of the West was appropriate, but I am saying there is absolutely no love lost between Ukraine and Russia, except for the ethnic Russians in the east of the Ukraine.

And sure there might be some bad blood; but they are intermarried quite a bit there.

The Ukraines have to realize Russia was never going to let them join NATO or stay long allied with the West. That's just a fact.

That isn't Russia's call.
Think Cuban missile crisis.

Yes Cuban missile crisis is exactly what it is.

As long as Russia didn't use Cuba as a military base, the US was okay with Cuba.
As long as the US didn't use Ukraine as a military base (NATO), Russia was okay with Ukraine.

We didn't respect Russia's request and now we've got a war.

This is where you are mistaken. It is true that Ukraine did want to join NATO (because they distrust Russia) but NATO said no.
This is what people forget. NATO repeatedly told Ukraine they would not admit them to membership.

[spiritMan]

And sure there might be some bad blood; but they are intermarried quite a bit there.

The Ukraines have to realize Russia was never going to let them join NATO or stay long allied with the West. That's just a fact.

That isn't Russia's call.

When you are a next door neighbor to a superpower . . .it actually is.

That's the problem no one wants to admit Russia is a superpower and therefore they don't treat Russia like a superpower and that's exactly what drove this to a war and it's what will drive it to a world war if people don't get their heads out of their rears.

I edited my post to add "think Cuban missile crisis".

The US was faced with a similar dilemma but didn't need to invade and take over the country.

Only because Russia backed down.

We didn't back down this time.

If Russia didn't back down in the 1960s, yeah we could have absolutely gone to war with them first-no question.

[spiritMan]

And sure there might be some bad blood; but they are intermarried quite a bit there.

The Ukraines have to realize Russia was never going to let them join NATO or stay long allied with the West. That's just a fact.

That isn't Russia's call.
Think Cuban missile crisis.

Yes Cuban missile crisis is exactly what it is.

As long as Russia didn't use Cuba as a military base, the US was okay with Cuba.
As long as the US didn't use Ukraine as a military base (NATO), Russia was okay with Ukraine.

We didn't respect Russia's request and now we've got a war.

This is where you are mistaken. It is true that Ukraine did want to join NATO (because they distrust Russia) but NATO said no.
This is what people forget. NATO repeatedly told Ukraine they would not admit them to membership.

Negative. Look up the 2008 meeting of NATO. NATO said then the long-term goal was for both Georgia and Ukraine would join NATO.

[spiritMan]

And sure there might be some bad blood; but they are intermarried quite a bit there.

The Ukraines have to realize Russia was never going to let them join NATO or stay long allied with the West. That's just a fact.

That isn't Russia's call.
Think Cuban missile crisis.

Yes Cuban missile crisis is exactly what it is.

As long as Russia didn't use Cuba as a military base, the US was okay with Cuba.
As long as the US didn't use Ukraine as a military base (NATO), Russia was okay with Ukraine.

We didn't respect Russia's request and now we've got a war.

This is where you are mistaken. It is true that Ukraine did want to join NATO (because they distrust Russia) but NATO said no.
This is what people forget. NATO repeatedly told Ukraine they would not admit them to membership.

You mean the US installed puppet government from the 2014 US sponsored coup wanted to join NATO??
Well that's a no-brainer there.

[spiritMan]

Thankfully, it appears a majority of Republicans are also showing their support for Ukraine. Again. No time for partisan BS. The world is responding.

It was Putin that took diplomacy off the table. There were many options at his disposal. NATO never offered Ukraine membership, they simply refused to guarantee that it would NEVER happen. There's a huge difference. He lost all legitimacy in this debate when he invaded.

No WE took that off the table. We provided absolutely 0 off-ramp for Putin. Tell me when we told Russia unequivocally that Ukraine would never join NATO?

[Robin Hood]

That isn't Russia's call.
Think Cuban missile crisis.

Yes Cuban missile crisis is exactly what it is.

As long as Russia didn't use Cuba as a military base, the US was okay with Cuba.
As long as the US didn't use Ukraine as a military base (NATO), Russia was okay with Ukraine.

We didn't respect Russia's request and now we've got a war.

This is where you are mistaken. It is true that Ukraine did want to join NATO (because they distrust Russia) but NATO said no.
This is what people forget. NATO repeatedly told Ukraine they would not admit them to membership.

Negative. Look up the 2008 meeting of NATO. NATO said then the long-term goal was for both Georgia and Ukraine would join NATO.

They also said long term they wanted Russia to join NATO! Context is important.
Look how quickly Poland, the Baltic states, Hungary, Czechia, Slovakia and other former eastern block countries were given membership of NATO. Ukraine is different because it was actually a part of the Soviet Union. NATO would have done it by now if it was going to do it.

[Niemand]

But this isn't the 1960's. Putin crossed a line when the entire free world told him for months not to do it.

What free world? Even before all this kicked off in the Ukraine I was saying that virtually nowhere deserved this label. Certainly not Canada, the EU or Australia post-Covid. Certainly not Lithuania. Certainly not Switzerland (although they never comment on these matters)

[Niemand]

Yes Cuban missile crisis is exactly what it is.

As long as Russia didn't use Cuba as a military base, the US was okay with Cuba.
As long as the US didn't use Ukraine as a military base (NATO), Russia was okay with Ukraine.

We didn't respect Russia's request and now we've got a war.

This is where you are mistaken. It is true that Ukraine did want to join NATO (because they distrust Russia) but NATO said no.
This is what people forget. NATO repeatedly told Ukraine they would not admit them to membership.

Negative. Look up the 2008 meeting of NATO. NATO said then the long-term goal was for both Georgia and Ukraine would join NATO.

They also said long term they wanted Russia to join NATO! Context is important.
Look how quickly Poland, the Baltic states, Hungary, Czechia, Slovakia and other former eastern block countries were given membership of NATO. Ukraine is different because it was actually a part of the Soviet Union. NATO would have done it by now if it was going to do it.

So were the Baltic Republics from WW2 up to the break up of the USSR. As I've mentioned elsewhere Estonia joining NATO put NATO under a hundred miles from St Petersburg/Leningrad.

[Sarah]

That isn't Russia's call.
Think Cuban missile crisis.

Yes Cuban missile crisis is exactly what it is.

As long as Russia didn't use Cuba as a military base, the US was okay with Cuba.
As long as the US didn't use Ukraine as a military base (NATO), Russia was okay with Ukraine.

We didn't respect Russia's request and now we've got a war.

This is where you are mistaken. It is true that Ukraine did want to join NATO (because they distrust Russia) but NATO said no.
This is what people forget. NATO repeatedly told Ukraine they would not admit them to membership.

You mean the US installed puppet government from the 2014 US sponsored coup wanted to join NATO??
Well that's a no-brainer there.

What is the proof that any of Ukraine's government are US puppets?

Zelenski - has let things simmer in Eastern Ukraine without doing anything.

Poroshenko - same deal. He made all these promises to fix Eastern Ukraine, but never did anything. (The goal was to keep Ukraine in a weakened state so that they could be taken over.) He also stated early on that he did not support joining NATO. Later he said they should, but they needed to first rid the country of corruption to meet NATO requirements. You'd think if he was a US puppet that would be high up on the agenda. He stated that he did not want Ukraine becoming a nuclear power. He banned 41 international journalists from entering the country. Then there's this: "On 20 December 2021, Poroshenko was accused of state treason, aiding terrorist organizations and financing terrorism due to allegedly organizing the purchase of coal from separatist-controlled areas of Ukraine together with pro-Russian politician Viktor Medvedchuk.[173]"

Turchynov - "According to the social poll of the "Sofia" centre, in June 2017, only 0.9% of respondents said that they completely trust Turchynov, 9.5% trust him, 24.1% do not trust him, 57.4% do not trust him at all.[67][68]
He went against some local elections that wanted to use the term gender instead of the term sex. "Turtchynov declared he opposed the "hundreds of genders" in the Ukrainian legislation and declared his support for "eternal gospel values." He also wrote a article criticizing LGTB activists. You'd think if he was a US puppet he'd be more aligned with "Western values" and not "Russia's."

The other's will have to wait - time to eat!

[The Red Pill]

Putin has raised the Spector of nuclear weapons use...

https://www.realcleardefense.com/articl ... 18715.html

But would he really use nuclear?
I understand the US /Europe have 100 tactical nukes (in UK), while Russia has over 20,000!

If Putin makes a threatening statement, you can take him literally. He chooses his words carefully, and does not make idle threats. He will follow up with swift and decisive action.

The United States has PDD-60 in place...which basically states we will absorb a nuclear first strike without retaliation....and we have Biden with clearly diminished mental capacity in place.

Absolutely, if Biden crosses a line that Putin has drawn with clarity...Putin will act to win, including nuclear.

This was ALL planned by the globalists to cover up the inevitable financial collapse and truth about the deadly-jab coming out....the fog of war.

[harakim]

Using fear to keep us in line....

We regular citizens are not supposed to be able to understand how things work with Russia and geo-global politics.

This whole thing is a side show. Someone wants this to happen.

I have suspicions they are trying to have Russia be "distracted" so we can invade Iran without worrying about them. Of course, the Russians would be in on this, but I don't think the Iranian government is part of the NWO yet.