First Presidency Statement on current conflict

[Mamabear]

When the Q15 advocate for gun control I will have my 2nd solid witness.

Got your gun control right there in the 5th book of scripture:

35.5.5 Firearms and Weapons

Firearms and other lethal weapons are not allowed on Church property. This includes concealed weapons. This does not apply to current law enforcement officers.

And of course, as it always has been and always ever will be, it's strictly a "guns for me, but not for thee" kind of thing: LDS Church planning a new training center in Salt Lake City for its guards, complete with two firing ranges. One of those ranges is a 100 yard rifle range, even. You know, for their tactical response unit.

So if I came to church with concealed are they going to ask me to go home?

Well, it’s concealed. Unless you flash it on purpose…. Then they send you home.

[InfoWarrior82]

When the Q15 advocate for gun control I will have my 2nd solid witness.

Here's your second witness:


https://www.fox13now.com/2018/02/23/lds ... have-them/


LDS Church President on Parkland shooting: ‘Men have passed laws that allow guns to go to people who shouldn’t have them’

[InfoWarrior82]

This discussion has been weird. "Therefore, renounce war and proclaim peace", said the Lord. And when First Presidency is actually doing that, people complain. Usually, I am able to understand criticism of FP, even if I didn't always agree, but now I am just puzzled.

Now behold, those secret oaths and covenants did not come forth unto Gadianton from the records which were delivered unto Helaman; but behold, they were put into the heart of Gadianton by that same being who did entice our first parents to partake of the forbidden fruit — Yea, it is that same being who put it into the heart of Gadianton to still carry on the work of darkness, and of secret murder; and he has brought it forth from the beginning of man even down to this time (Helaman 6:26, 29).

And there was also a cause of much sorrow among the Lamanites; for behold, they had many children who did grow up and began to wax strong in years, that they became for themselves, and were led away by some who were Zoramites, by their lyings and their flattering words, to join those Gadianton robbers (3 Nephi 1:25).

And it came to pass in the thirteenth year there began to be wars and contentions throughout all the land; for the Gadianton robbers had become so numerous, and did slay so many of the people, and did lay waste so many cities, and did spread so much death and carnage throughout the land, that it became expedient that all the people, both the Nephites and the Lamanites, should take up arms against them.

Therefore, all the Lamanites who had become converted unto the Lord did unite with their brethren, the Nephites, and were compelled, for the safety of their lives and their women and their children, to take up arms against those Gadianton robbers, yea, and also to maintain their rights, and the privileges of their church and of their worship, and their freedom and their liberty (3 Nephi 2:11, 12).

And seeing the people in a state of such awful wickedness, and those Gadianton robbers filling the judgment-seats—having usurped the power and authority of the land; laying aside the commandments of God, and not in the least aright before him; doing no justice unto the children of men (Helaman 7:4).

O Lord, behold this people repenteth; and they have swept away the band of Gadianton from amongst them insomuch that they have become extinct, and they have concealed their secret plans in the earth (Helaman 11:10).




If you drool over what MSM has been saying over this "invasion", certainly you'll think that Russia is the aggressor. And if you were alive during ^^^^^ This time ^^^^^ the establishment talking heads would be calling those taking up arms against the elite were the bad guys too. Don't trust your television.

[InfoWarrior82]

Putin Announces Total Independence from ‘Rothschild-Controlled’ US Dollar

https://truth11.com/2021/03/02/putin-an ... us-dollar/

[Hogmeister]

When the Q15 advocate for gun control I will have my 2nd solid witness.

Here's your second witness:


https://www.fox13now.com/2018/02/23/lds ... have-them/


LDS Church President on Parkland shooting: ‘Men have passed laws that allow guns to go to people who shouldn’t have them’

Thank you. Down goes another domino. Subtle but still.

[762X545]

Do the church leaders not realize yet that 99.9999999999% of the world has no idea who these "worldwide religious leaders," are much less care what they have to say?

[endlessQuestions]

Do the church leaders not realize yet that 99.9999999999% of the world has no idea who these "worldwide religious leaders," are much less care what they have to say?

You know, that’s an interesting point.

In the scriptures, when a prophet appears, his name spreads fast, far, and wide. Why? Because he’s different. So why is it that despite a couple hundred years to “get their name out there”, almost nobody knows who are prophets are?

[762X545]

Because they are not prophets. They have not done one thing that is prophetic. The only reason that so many church members regard them as PSR's is because it has been ingrained into their brains for decades. "Follow the Prophet. The prophet won't EVER lead you astray!" How come you never hear "let's see what the prophet has actually done." These guys are straight up frauds who's only goal is to build up their bank accounts and legacy's.

[h_p]

So if I came to church with concealed are they going to ask me to go home?

Probably depends on your ward. Where I live, I imagine it would be more like this:

[h_p]

The sign that people don't feel comfortable in their own houses of worship without a weapon, is essentially a symbol that the covenant people need to repent or face the consequences of a just God.

If you feel comfortable, but still get mowed down anyway, what's that a sign of?

[JK4Woods]

Do the church leaders not realize yet that 99.9999999999% of the world has no idea who these "worldwide religious leaders," are much less care what they have to say?

You know, that’s an interesting point.

In the scriptures, when a prophet appears, his name spreads fast, far, and wide. Why? Because he’s different. So why is it that despite a couple hundred years to “get their name out there”, almost nobody knows who are prophets are?

Compared to Gandhi, or Mother Teresa...??

[inho]

This discussion has been weird. "Therefore, renounce war and proclaim peace", said the Lord. And when First Presidency is actually doing that, people complain. Usually, I am able to understand criticism of FP, even if I didn't always agree, but now I am just puzzled.

If you drool over what MSM has been saying over this "invasion", certainly you'll think that Russia is the aggressor. And if you were alive during ^^^^^ This time ^^^^^ the establishment talking heads would be calling those taking up arms against the elite were the bad guys too. Don't trust your television.

Your comment seem to be in a wrong thread. The FP statement didn’t name the aggressor. All they did was praying for peace. Do you have issue with that?

[InfoWarrior82]

This discussion has been weird. "Therefore, renounce war and proclaim peace", said the Lord. And when First Presidency is actually doing that, people complain. Usually, I am able to understand criticism of FP, even if I didn't always agree, but now I am just puzzled.

If you drool over what MSM has been saying over this "invasion", certainly you'll think that Russia is the aggressor. And if you were alive during ^^^^^ This time ^^^^^ the establishment talking heads would be calling those taking up arms against the elite were the bad guys too. Don't trust your television.

Your comment seem to be in a wrong thread. The FP statement didn’t name the aggressor. All they did was praying for peace. Do you have issue with that?

My point is that, in general, sometimes the Lord answers prayers by telling good people to act.

I guarantee that if you ask any of these old men in the Q15 if entering WW2 was necessary, they would explain that, yes, it was. These men couldn't pray away the scamdemic. Why would they think they have any room to talk about war? They have no Godly insight to current events. It's all just a big virtue signal. Like Hollywood, they should shut up.

[Refraction75]

“We are heartbroken and deeply concerned by the armed conflict now raging. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has members in each of the affected areas and throughout the world. Our minds and hearts have been turned toward them and all our brothers and sisters.

“We continue to pray for peace. We know that enduring peace can be found through Jesus Christ. He can calm and comfort our souls even in the midst of terrible conflicts. He taught us to love God and our neighbors.

“We pray that this armed conflict will end quickly, that the controversies will end peacefully and that peace will prevail among nations and within our own hearts. We plead with world leaders to seek for such resolutions and peace.”

A very simple and interesting statement given by the First Presidency. I appreciate the candor that they use in that they say that enduring peace can only be found through Jesus Christ, that He can calm us down even in the middle of brutal conflict.

I also understand why the First Presidency did not call out the regions mentioned, though everyone that is not living under a rock knows the regions in conflict now (UA and RU). The Church has an estimated 35k members between the two countries, one completed temple (currently closed due to the conflict) and one proposed temple. And also I understand that the Church's relationship with Russia is, to put it as a severe understatement, quite horrible, so ANY inkling of Church support towards Ukraine is going to be met with more severe opposition from the Russians, who have already kicked out the JWs for far less.

I guess the first presidency could have shared a number of inspiring scriptures in the BOM about defending of freedom of life liberty and family.....standing up for tyranny....

Instead we get....pray for peace...and to love our God and our neighbors....what the crap is this? If Russia invaded Salt Lake City would this be the advice you would give? Honestly this feels like just lay down your weapons of war.

Do you think God blesses those without action? You need to pray for protection from God but you need to rid the vile foreign army out off your lands....Do these leaders even read the BOM? Geez!

[Refraction75]

This discussion has been weird. "Therefore, renounce war and proclaim peace", said the Lord. And when First Presidency is actually doing that, people complain. Usually, I am able to understand criticism of FP, even if I didn't always agree, but now I am just puzzled.

If you drool over what MSM has been saying over this "invasion", certainly you'll think that Russia is the aggressor. And if you were alive during ^^^^^ This time ^^^^^ the establishment talking heads would be calling those taking up arms against the elite were the bad guys too. Don't trust your television.

Your comment seem to be in a wrong thread. The FP statement didn’t name the aggressor. All they did was praying for peace. Do you have issue with that?

Yes. I do. it is not enough given the circumstances.

[Subcomandante]

“We are heartbroken and deeply concerned by the armed conflict now raging. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has members in each of the affected areas and throughout the world. Our minds and hearts have been turned toward them and all our brothers and sisters.

“We continue to pray for peace. We know that enduring peace can be found through Jesus Christ. He can calm and comfort our souls even in the midst of terrible conflicts. He taught us to love God and our neighbors.

“We pray that this armed conflict will end quickly, that the controversies will end peacefully and that peace will prevail among nations and within our own hearts. We plead with world leaders to seek for such resolutions and peace.”

A very simple and interesting statement given by the First Presidency. I appreciate the candor that they use in that they say that enduring peace can only be found through Jesus Christ, that He can calm us down even in the middle of brutal conflict.

I also understand why the First Presidency did not call out the regions mentioned, though everyone that is not living under a rock knows the regions in conflict now (UA and RU). The Church has an estimated 35k members between the two countries, one completed temple (currently closed due to the conflict) and one proposed temple. And also I understand that the Church's relationship with Russia is, to put it as a severe understatement, quite horrible, so ANY inkling of Church support towards Ukraine is going to be met with more severe opposition from the Russians, who have already kicked out the JWs for far less.

I guess the first presidency could have shared a number of inspiring scriptures in the BOM about defending of freedom of life liberty and family.....standing up for tyranny....

Instead we get....pray for peace...and to love our God and our neighbors....what the crap is this? If Russia invaded Salt Lake City would this be the advice you would give? Honestly this feels like just lay down your weapons of war.

Do you think God blesses those without action? You need to pray for protection from God but you need to rid the vile foreign army out off your lands....Do these leaders even read the BOM? Geez!

I think God is trying to protect the Saints. The FP knows the moment they call out Russia, Russia will have legal standing to ban the Church and arrest its members.

[Serragon]

“We are heartbroken and deeply concerned by the armed conflict now raging. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has members in each of the affected areas and throughout the world. Our minds and hearts have been turned toward them and all our brothers and sisters.

“We continue to pray for peace. We know that enduring peace can be found through Jesus Christ. He can calm and comfort our souls even in the midst of terrible conflicts. He taught us to love God and our neighbors.

“We pray that this armed conflict will end quickly, that the controversies will end peacefully and that peace will prevail among nations and within our own hearts. We plead with world leaders to seek for such resolutions and peace.”

A very simple and interesting statement given by the First Presidency. I appreciate the candor that they use in that they say that enduring peace can only be found through Jesus Christ, that He can calm us down even in the middle of brutal conflict.

I also understand why the First Presidency did not call out the regions mentioned, though everyone that is not living under a rock knows the regions in conflict now (UA and RU). The Church has an estimated 35k members between the two countries, one completed temple (currently closed due to the conflict) and one proposed temple. And also I understand that the Church's relationship with Russia is, to put it as a severe understatement, quite horrible, so ANY inkling of Church support towards Ukraine is going to be met with more severe opposition from the Russians, who have already kicked out the JWs for far less.

I guess the first presidency could have shared a number of inspiring scriptures in the BOM about defending of freedom of life liberty and family.....standing up for tyranny....

Instead we get....pray for peace...and to love our God and our neighbors....what the crap is this? If Russia invaded Salt Lake City would this be the advice you would give? Honestly this feels like just lay down your weapons of war.

Do you think God blesses those without action? You need to pray for protection from God but you need to rid the vile foreign army out off your lands....Do these leaders even read the BOM? Geez!

I think God is trying to protect the Saints. The FP knows the moment they call out Russia, Russia will have legal standing to ban the Church and arrest its members.

To bad we have ignored gods command to literally gather.

[inho]

My point is that, in general, sometimes the Lord answers prayers by telling good people to act.

I guarantee that if you ask any of these old men in the Q15 if entering WW2 was necessary, they would explain that, yes, it was. These men couldn't pray away the scamdemic. Why would they think they have any room to talk about war? They have no Godly insight to current events. It's all just a big virtue signal. Like Hollywood, they should shut up.

I agree with your general statement. But given the context, your comment sounds like you think that in the current situation war is something that the Lord wants. Do you really think so? If not, then is it wrong to pray for peace? Why does it matter what the FP has done in the past? Can't we all pray for peace? It almost sounds like you are implying that sinners shouldn't pray for good and righteous things.

[tribrac]

Prayer in church today included pleadings for people of Ukraine.

[InfoWarrior82]

My point is that, in general, sometimes the Lord answers prayers by telling good people to act.

I guarantee that if you ask any of these old men in the Q15 if entering WW2 was necessary, they would explain that, yes, it was. These men couldn't pray away the scamdemic. Why would they think they have any room to talk about war? They have no Godly insight to current events. It's all just a big virtue signal. Like Hollywood, they should shut up.

I agree with your general statement. But given the context, your comment sounds like you think that in the current situation war is something that the Lord wants. Do you really think so? If not, then is it wrong to pray for peace? Why does it matter what the FP has done in the past? Can't we all pray for peace? It almost sounds like you are implying that sinners shouldn't pray for good and righteous things.

I guess I just don't want to assume that this isn't God's will. Who knows, maybe in a hundred years, we will look back and we will see it in the context of the scriptures I mentioned earlier. Sometimes war is the result of God withdrawing his hedge of protection because the people forgot God and He is humbling them. Sometimes, war is the result of good people doing the right thing. Sometimes it's the wicked killing the wicked. I don't know for sure which one this is, but I do have my suspicions.

[madvin]

Do they really need to comment on every single social/domestic/foreign issue that is going on? I mean these are apostles not foreign policy experts.

Wonder why they didn’t comment on Canada or Australia.

Uh...you know.

[Mamabear]

Do they really need to comment on every single social/domestic/foreign issue that is going on? I mean these are apostles not foreign policy experts.

Wonder why they didn’t comment on Canada or Australia.

Uh...you know.

Yeah it was rhetorical. I know the answer. Lol

[madvin]

I am pretty perplexed at the leaders advice on the entire pandemic, but if this is the start of world war 3 then I can see why they would choose to make a statement regarding this conflict. Can someone help me with a question I have. I feel like I have known the answer at one time or another but cannot seem to recall as there are so many confusing timelines to the tribulation period. Are we in the tribulations during world war 3?

By tribulations period, do you mean the plagues? We are not there yet. I believe we are at the beginnings of the cleansing of the church in preparation for the establishment of Zion, or the Church of the Lamb.