First Presidency Statement on current conflict

[Subcomandante]

“We are heartbroken and deeply concerned by the armed conflict now raging. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has members in each of the affected areas and throughout the world. Our minds and hearts have been turned toward them and all our brothers and sisters.

“We continue to pray for peace. We know that enduring peace can be found through Jesus Christ. He can calm and comfort our souls even in the midst of terrible conflicts. He taught us to love God and our neighbors.

“We pray that this armed conflict will end quickly, that the controversies will end peacefully and that peace will prevail among nations and within our own hearts. We plead with world leaders to seek for such resolutions and peace.”

A very simple and interesting statement given by the First Presidency. I appreciate the candor that they use in that they say that enduring peace can only be found through Jesus Christ, that He can calm us down even in the middle of brutal conflict.

I also understand why the First Presidency did not call out the regions mentioned, though everyone that is not living under a rock knows the regions in conflict now (UA and RU). The Church has an estimated 35k members between the two countries, one completed temple (currently closed due to the conflict) and one proposed temple. And also I understand that the Church's relationship with Russia is, to put it as a severe understatement, quite horrible, so ANY inkling of Church support towards Ukraine is going to be met with more severe opposition from the Russians, who have already kicked out the JWs for far less.

[OPMissionary]

Do they really need to comment on every single social/domestic/foreign issue that is going on? I mean these are apostles not foreign policy experts.

[Mamabear]

Do they really need to comment on every single social/domestic/foreign issue that is going on? I mean these are apostles not foreign policy experts.

Wonder why they didn’t comment on Canada or Australia.

[Robin Hood]

I can understand them being deeply concerned.... but "heartbroken"?

[blitzinstripes]

Do they really need to comment on every single social/domestic/foreign issue that is going on? I mean these are apostles not foreign policy experts.

Wonder why they didn’t comment on Canada or Australia.

Or Trudeau's abuse of the protesting truckers...

[BeNotDeceived]

Do they really need to comment on every single social/domestic/foreign issue that is going on? I mean these are apostles not foreign policy experts.

When did the Quorum loose it’s legitimacy?

[endlessQuestions]

Do they really need to comment on every single social/domestic/foreign issue that is going on? I mean these are apostles not foreign policy experts.

This.

They’ve come to think of themselves as influencers. I just need prophets and apostles.

[blitzinstripes]

Do they really need to comment on every single social/domestic/foreign issue that is going on? I mean these are apostles not foreign policy experts.

This.

They’ve come to think of themselves as influencers. I just need prophets and apostles.

Agreed. How is this any different than every Hollywood celebrity who feels compelled to tweet about it? I guess I just fail to see anything prophetic in that generic statement. With the exception of a few lines, it sounds as if it could have been written by Jen Psaki.

[Mamabear]

Do they really need to comment on every single social/domestic/foreign issue that is going on? I mean these are apostles not foreign policy experts.

Wonder why they didn’t comment on Canada or Australia.

Or Trudeau's abuse of the protesting truckers...

Maybe they would tell Canadians to follow their wise and thoughtful government leader.

[InfoWarrior82]

Do they really need to comment on every single social/domestic/foreign issue that is going on? I mean these are apostles not foreign policy experts.

Wonder why they didn’t comment on Canada or Australia.

Because those countries are being led by wise and thoughtful leaders.

[OPMissionary]

Do they really need to comment on every single social/domestic/foreign issue that is going on? I mean these are apostles not foreign policy experts.

Wonder why they didn’t comment on Canada or Australia.

Oh because that would be "controversial." They have to keep up appearances you know.

[nightlight]

I can understand them being deeply concerned.... but "heartbroken"?

The footage of the the little boy that was killed is heartbreaking. I can't stop thinking about it.

[Subcomandante]

I can understand them being deeply concerned.... but "heartbroken"?

The footage of the the little boy that was killed is heartbreaking. I can't stop thinking about it.

Or the tank that swerved to smash a car going the opposite way on a freeway.

[sandman45]

Do they really need to comment on every single social/domestic/foreign issue that is going on? I mean these are apostles not foreign policy experts.

There’s a pattern. And it matches the mainstream propaganda machine is what I have noticed

[Chip]

I can understand them being deeply concerned.... but "heartbroken"?

I really don't like these guys. And I sure don't trust them. They have burned the bridge with covid.

Sometimes I doubt my doubts that they are actually good, but then I remember things.

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[CuriousThinker]

I can understand them being deeply concerned.... but "heartbroken"?

I really don't like these guys. And I sure don't trust them. They have burned the bridge with covid.

Sometimes I doubt my doubts that they are actually good, but then I remember things.

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I wrote to the church about that picture. No reply.

[iWriteStuff]

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[The Red Pill]

-Q15 is on the wrong side of the truth about the deadly-jab.

-Q15 was on the wrong side of the truth about January 6th.

-Q15 was on the wrong of the truth about the 2020 election.

-Q15 was on the wrong side of the truth about BLM.

-Q15 has been disgustingly silent about the abuse of power and tyranny going on in Canada, Australia and other places.

-Q15 partnerships with the UN, UNICEF, NAACP are disgraceful.

Yes...a pattern...and NOT a good one!!

[BuriedTartaria]

That picture of a masked up/vaxxed up child and equating it with bravery is child abuse propaganda. They should be ashamed on a level that brings life changing repentance if they were a fraction of the caliber of people they pretend to be

[Mamabear]

-Q15 is on the wrong side of the truth about the deadly-jab.

-Q15 was on the wrong side of the truth about January 6th.

-Q15 was on the wrong of the truth about the 2020 election.

-Q15 was on the wrong side of the truth about BLM.

-Q15 has been disgustingly silent about the abuse of power and tyranny going on in Canada, Australia and other places.

-Q15 partnerships with the UN, UNICEF, NAACP are disgraceful.

Yes...a pattern...and NOT a good one!!

Isn’t it funny they claim they are politically neutral?

[Catherine]

I am pretty perplexed at the leaders advice on the entire pandemic, but if this is the start of world war 3 then I can see why they would choose to make a statement regarding this conflict. Can someone help me with a question I have. I feel like I have known the answer at one time or another but cannot seem to recall as there are so many confusing timelines to the tribulation period. Are we in the tribulations during world war 3?

[Subcomandante]

-Q15 is on the wrong side of the truth about the deadly-jab.

-Q15 was on the wrong side of the truth about January 6th.

-Q15 was on the wrong of the truth about the 2020 election.

-Q15 was on the wrong side of the truth about BLM.

-Q15 has been disgustingly silent about the abuse of power and tyranny going on in Canada, Australia and other places.

-Q15 partnerships with the UN, UNICEF, NAACP are disgraceful.

Yes...a pattern...and NOT a good one!!

Isn’t it funny they claim they are politically neutral?

When they say they are politically neutral, that means that they are not going to come out and say "We support the Democrats" or "We support the Republicans" in domestic policy nor say "We condemn Russia's heinous attack" or "We demand that Ukraine abandon its nationalistic ideas" in foreign policy. But on matters considered to be of moral importance, they do speak out.

The Church is simply not going to go out of its way to condemn government policies unless they affect the Church directly in a way where the members are no longer able to observe their religion. We could all be digital tough guys from centers of strength in the Church, but it is one thing to be talking from an area where members of the Church constitute a majority or at least a significant (>10pct) minority, but it is another thing altogether to directly condemn the governments where Church membership constitutes one-tenth of one percent or even less of the population, like what is the case in Ukraine and Russia.

I don't expect the Church to come out and condemn every last damn thing the governments of the world are doing. What I do expect them to do is to remind people that true peace can be found in following Jesus Christ and His teachings. If they are doing this, it is to be commended, and credit is to be given. Anything more or less than this, putting other priorities in front of that basic message, and that is when the Church can (and should) be criticized for its messaging.

[tribrac]

I don't want to just criticize them on everything they ever say or do.

But I don't understand why they say they are PS&Rs and that they are PS&Rs for the whole world, but when the world could REALLY use some direction, comfort or some clarity about an issue...they issue statements that sound like they were written by the legal department.

Maybe my question about this is not about them so much as wondering why God does what He does.

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[h_p]

I don't want to just criticize them on everything they ever say or do.

But I don't understand why they say they are PS&Rs and that they are PS&Rs for the whole world, but when the world could REALLY use some direction, comfort or some clarity about an issue...they issue statements that sound like they were written by the legal department.

To be fair, it's just white people killing white people, so there's not much for them to weigh in on.

[The Red Pill]

-Q15 is on the wrong side of the truth about the deadly-jab.

-Q15 was on the wrong side of the truth about January 6th.

-Q15 was on the wrong of the truth about the 2020 election.

-Q15 was on the wrong side of the truth about BLM.

-Q15 has been disgustingly silent about the abuse of power and tyranny going on in Canada, Australia and other places.

-Q15 partnerships with the UN, UNICEF, NAACP are disgraceful.

Yes...a pattern...and NOT a good one!!

Isn’t it funny they claim they are politically neutral?

When they say they are politically neutral, that means that they are not going to come out and say "We support the Democrats" or "We support the Republicans" in domestic policy nor say "We condemn Russia's heinous attack" or "We demand that Ukraine abandon its nationalistic ideas" in foreign policy. But on matters considered to be of moral importance, they do speak out.

The Church is simply not going to go out of its way to condemn government policies unless they affect the Church directly in a way where the members are no longer able to observe their religion. We could all be digital tough guys from centers of strength in the Church, but it is one thing to be talking from an area where members of the Church constitute a majority or at least a significant (>10pct) minority, but it is another thing altogether to directly condemn the governments where Church membership constitutes one-tenth of one percent or even less of the population, like what is the case in Ukraine and Russia.

I don't expect the Church to come out and condemn every last damn thing the governments of the world are doing. What I do expect them to do is to remind people that true peace can be found in following Jesus Christ and His teachings. If they are doing this, it is to be commended, and credit is to be given. Anything more or less than this, putting other priorities in front of that basic message, and that is when the Church can (and should) be criticized for its messaging.

You're missing the big one here, that's why I placed it number one on the list.

Their "Godsend safe and effective" deadly gene therapy "URGE" is where they crossed the Rubicon...

....they have recklessly gotten people killed and injured BECAUSE of their "urging", including a woman in my ward. You can't walk that back Sub. You can't even make it right.

Their across the board resignations won't bring people back from the dead or heal the permanently injured...but it would be the honorable thing to do.

I have respect for the office, just not the current occupants.