Liberal Exmos love masks and jabs, why?

[Reluctant Watchman]

I'm listing to a video by John Dehlin. He and his cohost are talking about leaked stats about how the church is in decline, temples being announced at random by Nelson, etc. One thing that has become readily apparent is that these people hold very liberal views and they tend to trust the government without question. They were actually quite taken back by the ultra-conservative purge that is happening in the church and they didn't really think it was a good thing. They think masks and the jab are a good thing, a way to love and care for those around you.

Has this always been the case? I'm just not able to really grasp this concept that these people tout their critical thinking skills, yet they lack so much of it. They don't trust the church, but trust the government... what's up with that?

[Fred]

I'm listing to a video by John Dehlin. He and his cohost are talking about leaked stats about how the church is in decline, temples being announced at random by Nelson, etc. One thing that has become readily apparent is that these people hold very liberal views and they tend to trust the government without question. They were actually quite taken back by the ultra-conservative purge that is happening in the church and they didn't really think it was a good thing. They think masks and the jab are a good thing, a way to love and care for those around you.

Has this always been the case? I'm just not able to really grasp this concept that these people tout their critical thinking skills, yet they lack so much of it. They don't trust the church, but trust the government... what's up with that?

Looks like Gov Cox under the direction of RMN likes communism as much as Biden. Roll out the Agenda...

[Niemand]

They're not really liberal. It is hilarious how much the exmo forum is in line with RMN's thinking. In fact, they're worse. Some of them support putting people into camps.

[Mamabear]

I'm listing to a video by John Dehlin. He and his cohost are talking about leaked stats about how the church is in decline, temples being announced at random by Nelson, etc. One thing that has become readily apparent is that these people hold very liberal views and they tend to trust the government without question. They were actually quite taken back by the ultra-conservative purge that is happening in the church and they didn't really think it was a good thing. They think masks and the jab are a good thing, a way to love and care for those around you.

Has this always been the case? I'm just not able to really grasp this concept that these people tout their critical thinking skills, yet they lack so much of it. They don't trust the church, but trust the government... what's up with that?

Looks like Gov Cox under the direction of RMN likes communism as much as Biden. Roll out the Agenda...

Does Ben say that in the video?

[Thinker]

I’ve noticed that too & have been shocked how some have thought nothing about imprisoning people for not following “guidelines.” It really has shook some of my relationships.
Maybe this strange allegiance is partly because:

1) They left a cult but don’t realize they took the cult-mentality with them - shaming anyone who questions their new set of assumptions (abortion, homosexuality, blind trust in government as if infallible etc).

2) After realizing how fooled they were with the cult, they are overly paranoid of being “one of those foolish conspiracy theorists” - they think “never again!”

[keeprunning]

The intellectuals don't always have common sense.

[Niemand]

I’ve noticed that too & have been shocked how some have thought nothing about imprisoning people for not following “guidelines.” It really has shook some of my relationships.
Maybe this strange allegiance is partly because:

1) They left a cult but don’t realize they took the cult-mentality with them - shaming anyone who questions their new set of assumptions (abortion, homosexuality, blind trust in government as if infallible etc).

2) After realizing how fooled they were with the cult, they are overly paranoid of being “one of those foolish conspiracy theorists” - they think “never again!”

For some people "critical thinking" only extends to religion. If it went further, they would realise they are surrounded by far more serious nonsense.

Many of them also run with the herd. It's not fashionable to be religious, but it is fashionable to get stabbed in the arm.

[BuriedTartaria]

Because they're liberal. Liberals love the masks and jabs. They are devout followers of man-made religion. They just won't admit it. They have a religion. They have a false-god they worship. And they love to hate.

And I can't listen to *John Dehlin because of the crowd he caters to (progressive-liberal ExMos). For decades anti LDS church material came from conservative Christians who can't see any good in Joseph or the Book of Mormon or atheist liberals who say everything related to Mormonism is false.

We've finally reached an enlightening take on Mormonism that is critical of the LDS church's prophet, seer, and revelator claims while being Pro-Book of Mormon and Pro-Joseph (at the very least, believe he translated it, with mixed feelings on him afterwards). This is the take (and the correct take, IMO) that will puncture the heart of the body of the active members of the LDS church


*One of my favorite things I've heard from Denver Snuffer comes from a friend of his who recalls that Denver told the friend to tell John Dehlin that his (Denver's) circle on the leaked power point slide of things leading people away from the church is bigger than John's and that size does matter. The comment seems to have been said facetiously, just a bit of ribbing. I think it's a funny story

[Niemand]

Because they're liberal.

They're actually illiberal. Proper liberalism means minimal state involvement in personal affairs. Not the opposite. Some of these people are vaguely liberal when it comes to sexual matters, but that's it.

It's about time people started calling this out as a perversion of this word. What good are Conservatives who do not conserve tradition and Liberals who are illiberal and statist?

As for John Dehlin, my main problem with the man is that he has flipflopped around concerning the church. I wonder if he is bipolar.

[AstonishingGrunt]

Because they're liberal.

They're actually illiberal. Proper liberalism means minimal state involvement in personal affairs. Not the opposite. Some of these people are vaguely liberal when it comes to sexual matters, but that's it.

It's about time people started calling this out as a perversion of this word. What good are Conservatives who do not conserve tradition and Liberals who are illiberal and statist?

As for John Dehlin, my main problem with the man is that he has flipflopped around concerning the church. I wonder if he is bipolar.

Probably not bipolar. Shameless opportunist? Yes.

[Niemand]

Because they're liberal.

They're actually illiberal. Proper liberalism means minimal state involvement in personal affairs. Not the opposite. Some of these people are vaguely liberal when it comes to sexual matters, but that's it.

It's about time people started calling this out as a perversion of this word. What good are Conservatives who do not conserve tradition and Liberals who are illiberal and statist?

As for John Dehlin, my main problem with the man is that he has flipflopped around concerning the church. I wonder if he is bipolar.

Probably not bipolar. Shameless opportunist? Yes.

I don't know if i'd call him an opportunist, because it is a niche market. But he has between positions repeatedly over a short time.

[tribrac]

They love it because conservative members are hesitant about it. It gives them a false sense of virtue.

Humans are insecure, we all look for ways to show our virtue or worth. This is why Facebook is so succesful. It is why many mormons devout so much effort to get their kids into BYU and why they are devastated when their kid gets turned down.

[Thinker]

The intellectuals don't always have common sense.

True, though that happens to those who subscribe different ideologies too. “Can’t see the forest for the trees.” I think it may be an acquired personality trait… eg., (Jung/Mayer/Briggs: ) we’re all on a spectrum from…

Sensing (focus on tree/details)….. ….-> … …. Intuitive (focus on forest/big picture)

[Thinker]

I’ve noticed that too & have been shocked how some have thought nothing about imprisoning people for not following “guidelines.” It really has shook some of my relationships.
Maybe this strange allegiance is partly because:

1) They left a cult but don’t realize they took the cult-mentality with them - shaming anyone who questions their new set of assumptions (abortion, homosexuality, blind trust in government as if infallible etc).

2) After realizing how fooled they were with the cult, they are overly paranoid of being “one of those foolish conspiracy theorists” - they think “never again!”

For some people "critical thinking" only extends to religion. If it went further, they would realise they are surrounded by far more serious nonsense.

Many of them also run with the herd. It's not fashionable to be religious, but it is fashionable to get stabbed in the arm.

So true, Niemand!
I’ve seen this countless times. So it’s validating that you also see it.

[Thinker]

... They are devout followers of man-made religion. They just won't admit it. They have a religion. They have a false-god they worship. And they love to hate…

Yes!
They love to hate by calling others who disagree with them bigoted haters.

This morning I thought how EVERYONE - atheists etc included - is practically programmed to worship something. Paul Tillech called this one’s “ultimate concern” - what really matters most to one, in practice - not shallow claims of worshipping or not - but what does one spend time, energy, $ etc on above all?

It is so very incredibly tempting to have other gods before God! That’s why when Moses went up to ask God - the 2nd time - for the lower basic commandments, the 1st thing God said is, “no other gods before me.”

Our 1st gods are our parents who to us little dependent children, were our be-all, know-all, source of all. Many never grow out of this… & continually look for parental authority substitutes - in religious or government authorities etc.

[Thinker]

Because they're liberal.

They're actually illiberal. Proper liberalism means minimal state involvement in personal affairs. Not the opposite. Some of these people are vaguely liberal when it comes to sexual matters, but that's it.

It's about time people started calling this out as a perversion of this word. What good are Conservatives who do not conserve tradition and Liberals who are illiberal and statist?...

Good point.
Ideological mob boxes are illogical - when you think of even the labels, it doesn’t make sense. I don’t like labels & yet I find myself using them because so many identify themselves with & base their behavior on their herd.

[Lizzy60]

Check the photo halfway through the article to see who loves masks.....

https://www.ldsliving.com/sister-sharon ... dium=email

[keeprunning]

Today I saw a conservative on fb post an article about an immunocompromised person who doesn't expect others to change their lives to protect him. Well, then all their family libs got on and talked about how disrespectful and hurtful it was for them to post that--don't they care about leaving the 99 to protect the one? Don't they care about protecting and doing all they can for their vulnerable family members?
It's pretty pathetic. They don't care about personal responsibility. They just demand everyone only think about them. They don't realize how off putting that attitude is.

[AstonishingGrunt]

Today I saw a conservative on fb post an article about an immunocompromised person who doesn't expect others to change their lives to protect him. Well, then all their family libs got on and talked about how disrespectful and hurtful it was for them to post that--don't they care about leaving the 99 to protect the one? Don't they care about protecting and doing all they can for their vulnerable family members?
It's pretty pathetic. They don't care about personal responsibility. They just demand everyone only think about them. They don't realize how off putting that attitude is.

[Rubicon]

I've noticed that people who really like and want to control others (liberals) have taken to the mandates, because that is exactly what mandates are. They are livid and incensed when people refuse to comply or disobey them (how dare they?).

This whole thing over the last couple of years has really shown who wants to be able to control people, and who reacts against it.

[Reluctant Watchman]

I've noticed that people who really like and want to control others (liberals) have taken to the mandates, because that is exactly what mandates are. They are livid and incensed when people refuse to comply or disobey them (how dare they?).

This whole thing over the last couple of years has really shown who wants to be able to control people, and who reacts against it.

I think that definitely applies to many on the "left", but there seems to be a segment that just doesn't understand that evil exists out there and that people want to control you and take your agency. They've taken the principle of "love your neighbor" and spiced it up with a little communism. Commi Love!!

[CuriousThinker]

Check the photo halfway through the article to see who loves masks.....

https://www.ldsliving.com/sister-sharon ... dium=email

And those masks didn't do anything to keep others safe.

[Wolfwoman]

I'm listing to a video by John Dehlin. He and his cohost are talking about leaked stats about how the church is in decline, temples being announced at random by Nelson, etc. One thing that has become readily apparent is that these people hold very liberal views and they tend to trust the government without question. They were actually quite taken back by the ultra-conservative purge that is happening in the church and they didn't really think it was a good thing. They think masks and the jab are a good thing, a way to love and care for those around you.

Has this always been the case? I'm just not able to really grasp this concept that these people tout their critical thinking skills, yet they lack so much of it. They don't trust the church, but trust the government... what's up with that?

I watched the same video. Yeah, they do love the masks and jabs, don't they? It is funny that they are agreeing with Pres. Nelson and the first presidency about that.
Well, the CDC says we don't need to wear masks anymore. So maybe exmos will finally be willing to give up the masks for most people.

[Serragon]

it is justification for their feelings of moral superiority to others and a visible way to identify their tribal lineage.

Same reason they love spending money on schools and poverty without ever caring if the money is wasted or whether it solved the problem.

They can't stand being identified with the mass of humanity. They desperately want something that shows they are superior and of the right tribe. This used to be college education and profession, but these are no longer sufficient status indicators.

[Niemand]

They love it because conservative members are hesitant about it. It gives them a false sense of virtue.

Presumably there must be a considerable body of right wing exmos. The exmo forum has has a bit of a culture war, but as far as I can see they just delete such people, so it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

So to them gravity is a social construct, but post-structuralism is fact.