NEW MASK GUIDANCE FROM FP

[BroJones]

Welcome, Halothane! MD.
"My colleagues and I sit back and have been baffled at public health officials literally making it up, and the public swallows it up. "

Yup... Would be interested in your opinion re: the Covid-vaxx and mandates.

[endlessQuestions]

It boggles my mind that they still believe a cloth or paper square on the face will prevent a virus from escaping or being breathed in. Every single person on a session will come into contact with any viruses floating around, mask or no mask. Nelson and Renlund have to be the two most incompetent physicians ever.

Masks actually put people at risk, because some will go to the temple feeling like they may be getting sick, but assured they can’t spread a virus while wearing a mask.

As a doctor, this has 100% been in my mind from the beginning. I specialize in anesthesia and have been up close and personal with the covid sick and afflicted from day 1. I'm an airway expert and have treated 100's of patients if not 1000's. I've intubated more than I care to count.....We have NEVER worn the masks that 99.9999% of the population wears. Not even close. We use PAPRs and N95's. Regular masks don't do anything at preventing infection or transmission. They do not help at all. ZERO. The studies had concluded this for years before covid. Talk about not "following the science". You might as well have a rabbit's foot in your pocket or wear a pair of lucky boots. The effect would be the same. My colleagues and I sit back and have been baffled at public health officials literally making it up, and the public swallows it up. The FP response to this pandemic has really been a head-scratcher to me. Does not make any sense to me.

It’s interesting, because some of our local leadership specializes in the same thing you do, but refuse to acknowledge this basic reality.

[Subcomandante]

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This should have been the guidance from the beginning, with the same modification shown for the discretion of the Area Presidencies and Stake Presidencies, applied to the temples.

I am glad to see that change as relating to local meetings. The use of masks should always have been left at the discretion of the local authorities considering they would know the conditions on the ground much better than the general leadership.

[The Red Pill]

It boggles my mind that they still believe a cloth or paper square on the face will prevent a virus from escaping or being breathed in. Every single person on a session will come into contact with any viruses floating around, mask or no mask. Nelson and Renlund have to be the two most incompetent physicians ever.

Masks actually put people at risk, because some will go to the temple feeling like they may be getting sick, but assured they can’t spread a virus while wearing a mask.

As a doctor, this has 100% been in my mind from the beginning. I specialize in anesthesia and have been up close and personal with the covid sick and afflicted from day 1. I'm an airway expert and have treated 100's of patients if not 1000's. I've intubated more than I care to count.....We have NEVER worn the masks that 99.9999% of the population wears. Not even close. We use PAPRs and N95's. Regular masks don't do anything at preventing infection or transmission. They do not help at all. ZERO. The studies had concluded this for years before covid. Talk about not "following the science". You might as well have a rabbit's foot in your pocket or wear a pair of lucky boots. The effect would be the same. My colleagues and I sit back and have been baffled at public health officials literally making it up, and the public swallows it up. The FP response to this pandemic has really been a head-scratcher to me. Does not make any sense to me.

I sure hope, as a doctor, you strongly disagree with the CDC, NIH GENOCIDE policy of administering Remdesivir to covid patients...if not, please see the link below. Most of the supposed "covid deaths" in hospitals can be laid at the feet of the deadly drug Remdesivir.

https://m.beforeitsnews.com/the-law/202 ... 58618.html


For others on this forum...NEVER let friends or family be given Remdesivir....NEVER!

[InfoWarrior82]

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This should have been the guidance from the beginning, with the same modification shown for the discretion of the Area Presidencies and Stake Presidencies, applied to the temples.

I am glad to see that change as relating to local meetings. The use of masks should always have been left at the discretion of the local authorities considering they would know the conditions on the ground much better than the general leadership.

This actually was the policy at the very beginning. Then, once they saw that local areas around the world were dropping mandates, they doubled down and gave the policy of "just wear your mask" on August 12th of last year.

Now that they're seeing they were completely wrong about masks and the "safe and effective" jabs, they see this as their way out. They see the winds shifting and that mask and jab mandates are failing because of public outrage, so they're going back to: whatever the local governments say.

cOnTiNuInG rEvELaTiOn!!!!!

[Trucker]

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I don't like the sentiment that the reason for loosening the mask wearing is due to "the Lord hearing the prayers" of the members. I expect we will see eventually mandates back off for everything with covid and the covidians will declare it to because of their wise and thoughtful measures they took to defeat covid. In reality, the virus has mostly taken its course, burned through the population, like just about all viruses do, and eventually peters out. But no, it's really due to all the social distancing, mask-wearing, and vaccines that they good people did (which the bad people opposed).

[endlessQuestions]

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I don't like the sentiment that the reason for loosening the mask wearing is due to "the Lord hearing the prayers" of the members. I expect we will see eventually mandates back off for everything with covid and the covidians will declare it to because of their wise and thoughtful measures they took to defeat covid. In reality, the virus has mostly taken its course, burned through the population, like just about all viruses do, and eventually peters out. But no, it's really due to all the social distancing, mask-wearing, and vaccines that they good people did (which the bad people opposed).

Not all the members, mind you. Read it carefully.

[Thinker]

…. I expect we will see eventually mandates back off for everything with covid and the covidians will declare it to because of their wise and thoughtful measures they took to defeat covid. In reality, the virus has mostly taken its course, burned through the population, like just about all viruses do, and eventually peters out. But no, it's really due to all the social distancing, mask-wearing, and vaccines that they good people did (which the bad people opposed).

Yes, it’s been major PSY OPS - this virus bs is funded through 2025, so as we approach that time, the narrative will end or change.

In case anyone missed this, virus deception was openly admitted as such - some years back - in Belgium…
https://odysee.com/@LegunusAspieAnalyti ... in-India:3

[Halothane]

It boggles my mind that they still believe a cloth or paper square on the face will prevent a virus from escaping or being breathed in. Every single person on a session will come into contact with any viruses floating around, mask or no mask. Nelson and Renlund have to be the two most incompetent physicians ever.

Masks actually put people at risk, because some will go to the temple feeling like they may be getting sick, but assured they can’t spread a virus while wearing a mask.

As a doctor, this has 100% been in my mind from the beginning. I specialize in anesthesia and have been up close and personal with the covid sick and afflicted from day 1. I'm an airway expert and have treated 100's of patients if not 1000's. I've intubated more than I care to count.....We have NEVER worn the masks that 99.9999% of the population wears. Not even close. We use PAPRs and N95's. Regular masks don't do anything at preventing infection or transmission. They do not help at all. ZERO. The studies had concluded this for years before covid. Talk about not "following the science". You might as well have a rabbit's foot in your pocket or wear a pair of lucky boots. The effect would be the same. My colleagues and I sit back and have been baffled at public health officials literally making it up, and the public swallows it up. The FP response to this pandemic has really been a head-scratcher to me. Does not make any sense to me.

I'm curious. As a doctor, have you shifted your focus to early treament with therapeutics?

From the get-go I was all-in on therapeutics. Mainly because I was at risk every single day and nobody knew what was going on, and we had no treatments. We were kinda on our own. I remember super early on...Like late February/early March of 2020 I was called to intubate somebody in the ED with "respiratory failure". I wasn't wearing a mask and this guy was coughing and de-saturating and so on. Went up to the head of the bed, gave him the necessary meds and slid in an Endotracheal tube in. My face was about 6" from his. I was inhaling whatever he was exhaling. Walked out and the next day found out he had covid and ended up dying.
So I was on therapeutics from day one. We all were. There's a pulmonologist, Roger Seheult, MD, who runs a YT channel called medcram. He would post daily videos and go over the research on different potential therapeutics. I mainly looked into his evaluation of the research. He has since gained more popular and turned away from discussing these treatments. Quercetin, Famotidine, Zinc, Zyrtec, Vit D, Hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, tonic water, Abx, etc...I was taking almost all. Research was done on the first SARs with some of these, but I could never understand WHY public health wasn't at least telling the public to TRY them. VERY safe medicines. Again, me and my colleagues were questioning what was going on. I believe the "science" has become so corrupt for political purposes. The very things that potentially could work were being ignored. And the things that were absolutely not effective were being promoted (masks, social distancing, staying indoors).

I know the vaccine is a controversial topic in the forums, but I believe it does have an important part of our public health. Over 60, Overweight (if you stand straight up and look down and can't see your shoelaces), Diabetic, or uncontrolled hypertension, then you need to strongly consider getting the vaccine. Like I said I have seen way too many die from Covid who otherwise would have not if they were vaccinated.
But Children, Oh my goodness. What we have done to children has been unmeasurably more harmful than all covid deaths combined.

[Halothane]

Welcome, Halothane! MD.
"My colleagues and I sit back and have been baffled at public health officials literally making it up, and the public swallows it up. "

Yup... Would be interested in your opinion re: the Covid-vaxx and mandates.

I believe the Vaccine is effective and temporarily protective for certain demographics. Mostly those who are older >60 with pre-exsiting diseases....hypertension, diabetes, obesity. These 3 seem to be make covid more deadly. I'm sure we'll find out in the next 5 years that these were responsible for >75% of covid deaths.

I've never been for mandates. I took the vaccine early on because I believed that it was going to be effective and I was in the thick of it... As time has gone on the mandates, and really the vaccine, has almost become an absurd troll on the general public. I think there have been plenty of memes to show the amount of mental gymnastics that the public health leaders have had to do to convince people of its long term efficacy. Combined with the fact that its side effects have not just been downplayed, but hidden from the public. The politics involved with the vaccine has polluted the truth.

[Subcomandante]

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This should have been the guidance from the beginning, with the same modification shown for the discretion of the Area Presidencies and Stake Presidencies, applied to the temples.

I am glad to see that change as relating to local meetings. The use of masks should always have been left at the discretion of the local authorities considering they would know the conditions on the ground much better than the general leadership.

This actually was the policy at the very beginning. Then, once they saw that local areas around the world were dropping mandates, they doubled down and gave the policy of "just wear your mask" on August 12th of last year.

Now that they're seeing they were completely wrong about masks and the "safe and effective" jabs, they see this as their way out. They see the winds shifting and that mask and jab mandates are failing because of public outrage, so they're going back to: whatever the local governments say.

cOnTiNuInG rEvELaTiOn!!!!!

While I might not appreciate the cynicism, this does show a general weakness in the members of the Church: Looking for prophetic oversight in every last detail when they should be able to use common sense and know better.

The much more sensible approach, rather than a blanket shutdown of all Church meetings, would have been to leave everything at the discretion of the Area Presidencies, IN CONSULTATION WITH THE BISHOPS AND STAKE PRESIDENCIES from the beginning. And in the case of the temples, the Area Presidencies IN CONSULTATION WITH THE TEMPLE PRESIDENCIES.

Joseph Smith emphasized the need for limited control at the top, simply teaching correct principles and then letting the people govern themselves. In this hindsight, the prophet would simply be seen as a facilitator, showing others how to gain revelation for themselves in their stewardships.

Now these days if you question something, you might be seen as being on the high road to apostasy. Some convos that I have had with a few friends as of late show a concern for my well-being. With the Wilcox bruhaha, I simply mentioned that he got called out, as well he should, then I went on to say how he should have mentioned things. No conspiracies, no LDSFF related stuff, no masks, no Fauci Ouchies were mentioned. Just mentioning that he deserved to get called out. They said I needed to support the man even in his errors and that's what sustaining means.

Which brings me to my next point.

Sustaining the brethren should NOT mean that you support them in everything, even when they speak wrongly, and that you should not criticize them at all, even if the criticism is true (Oaks mentioned that in a past talk, and for that reason, I hope that Nelson outlives Oaks).

That is pure yes-man BS.

If I can truly say I sustain the brethren, I support them whenever they do and teach what is right in the eyes of the Lord and on the basis of His revealed Words in Scripture. The Gospel they preach will truly be the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and not the Gospel of Russell Nelson, or Ezra Taft Benson, or David O McKay, or Brigham Young. Whenever they speak truth, I will defend that truth with every fiber of my being.

If I truly sustain the brethren, I feel like there is an obligation to oppose teachings that are provably false in the light of Scripture. It is necessary to call out the brethren whenever they are teaching something which is incorrect but don't call out for the sake of calling out. Show evidence through the Scriptures and a true understanding of what they mean. If a general is leading an army into an area that is vulnerable to an ambush, or the encampment is set up in such a way where people could easily be removed from camp from outside, it is the responsibility of those immediately below him, once they get that knowledge, to alert the general of the problem. They cannot follow the general as pure yes-men or they will get ambushed.

[InfoWarrior82]

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This should have been the guidance from the beginning, with the same modification shown for the discretion of the Area Presidencies and Stake Presidencies, applied to the temples.

I am glad to see that change as relating to local meetings. The use of masks should always have been left at the discretion of the local authorities considering they would know the conditions on the ground much better than the general leadership.

This actually was the policy at the very beginning. Then, once they saw that local areas around the world were dropping mandates, they doubled down and gave the policy of "just wear your mask" on August 12th of last year.

Now that they're seeing they were completely wrong about masks and the "safe and effective" jabs, they see this as their way out. They see the winds shifting and that mask and jab mandates are failing because of public outrage, so they're going back to: whatever the local governments say.

cOnTiNuInG rEvELaTiOn!!!!!

While I might not appreciate the cynicism, this does show a general weakness in the members of the Church: Looking for prophetic oversight in every last detail when they should be able to use common sense and know better.

The much more sensible approach, rather than a blanket shutdown of all Church meetings, would have been to leave everything at the discretion of the Area Presidencies, IN CONSULTATION WITH THE BISHOPS AND STAKE PRESIDENCIES from the beginning. And in the case of the temples, the Area Presidencies IN CONSULTATION WITH THE TEMPLE PRESIDENCIES.

Joseph Smith emphasized the need for limited control at the top, simply teaching correct principles and then letting the people govern themselves. In this hindsight, the prophet would simply be seen as a facilitator, showing others how to gain revelation for themselves in their stewardships.

Now these days if you question something, you might be seen as being on the high road to apostasy. Some convos that I have had with a few friends as of late show a concern for my well-being. With the Wilcox bruhaha, I simply mentioned that he got called out, as well he should, then I went on to say how he should have mentioned things. No conspiracies, no LDSFF related stuff, no masks, no Fauci Ouchies were mentioned. Just mentioning that he deserved to get called out. They said I needed to support the man even in his errors and that's what sustaining means.

Which brings me to my next point.

Sustaining the brethren should NOT mean that you support them in everything, even when they speak wrongly, and that you should not criticize them at all, even if the criticism is true (Oaks mentioned that in a past talk, and for that reason, I hope that Nelson outlives Oaks).

That is pure yes-man BS.

If I can truly say I sustain the brethren, I support them whenever they do and teach what is right in the eyes of the Lord and on the basis of His revealed Words in Scripture. The Gospel they preach will truly be the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and not the Gospel of Russell Nelson, or Ezra Taft Benson, or David O McKay, or Brigham Young. Whenever they speak truth, I will defend that truth with every fiber of my being.

If I truly sustain the brethren, I feel like there is an obligation to oppose teachings that are provably false in the light of Scripture. It is necessary to call out the brethren whenever they are teaching something which is incorrect but don't call out for the sake of calling out. Show evidence through the Scriptures and a true understanding of what they mean. If a general is leading an army into an area that is vulnerable to an ambush, or the encampment is set up in such a way where people could easily be removed from camp from outside, it is the responsibility of those immediately below him, once they get that knowledge, to alert the general of the problem. They cannot follow the general as pure yes-men or they will get ambushed.

The problem with this is that this WAS the policy in the beginning, then they changed it, then they changed it back again. All the while claiming that they were receiving these directions as revelation from God. (As exemplified in this latest announcement.) Don't blame the members for taking it upon themselves for thinking this was all Godly revelation. We were told it was by various members of the Q15 on multiple occasions.

[blitzinstripes]

FP: God, is it safe to end the masks yet?
God: I don't know. Ask Dr. Fauci or Joe Biden.

[Reluctant Watchman]

I know the vaccine is a controversial topic in the forums, but I believe it does have an important part of our public health. Over 60, Overweight (if you stand straight up and look down and can't see your shoelaces), Diabetic, or uncontrolled hypertension, then you need to strongly consider getting the vaccine. Like I said I have seen way too many die from Covid who otherwise would have not if they were vaccinated.
But Children, Oh my goodness. What we have done to children has been unmeasurably more harmful than all covid deaths combined.

Thanks for the insights.

And yea, the jab is controversial. Personally, I would never give it to anyone. It's like Russian Roulette. Strengthen the immune response, get to a healthy weight, exercise, and stop listening to fearmongering media. Mediation has also been shown to bolster healthy immune function.

(Edit: I saw that I typed "Mediation" above, but was intended to be "meditation." Mediation also works well, particularly when we allow Jesus to be the mediator. I'm gonna leave that typo.)

[nvr]

I'm not taking any chances. I'm even writing to the dairy that produces our milk and butter to making sure the cows have had their triple cofid shots and were masked up while milking.
We need to insist all our farm products come from fully masked and jabbed animals. I'm still trying to figure out what can be done do about honeybees.

[Reluctant Watchman]

I'm not taking any chances. I'm even writing to the dairy that produces our milk and butter to making sure the cows have had their triple cofid shots and were masked up while milking.
We need to insist all our farm products come from fully masked and jabbed animals. I'm still trying to figure out what can be done do about honeybees.

They come built-in w/ their own needles. Just juice them up and let 'em go.

[Reluctant Watchman]

I don't like the sentiment that the reason for loosening the mask wearing is due to "the Lord hearing the prayers" of the members. I expect we will see eventually mandates back off for everything with covid and the covidians will declare it to because of their wise and thoughtful measures they took to defeat covid. In reality, the virus has mostly taken its course, burned through the population, like just about all viruses do, and eventually peters out. But no, it's really due to all the social distancing, mask-wearing, and vaccines that they good people did (which the bad people opposed).

That bothered me the moment I read it. "Oh, look at how your faith has cured the pandemic and lessened the mandates. You good global citizens, here's your cookie... well, except for in the temple, or unless your local authorities say otherwise. Then you can't have the cookie."

[Trucker]

Welcome, Halothane! MD.
"My colleagues and I sit back and have been baffled at public health officials literally making it up, and the public swallows it up. "

Yup... Would be interested in your opinion re: the Covid-vaxx and mandates.

I believe the Vaccine is effective and temporarily protective for certain demographics. Mostly those who are older >60 with pre-exsiting diseases....hypertension, diabetes, obesity. These 3 seem to be make covid more deadly. I'm sure we'll find out in the next 5 years that these were responsible for >75% of covid deaths.

I've never been for mandates. I took the vaccine early on because I believed that it was going to be effective and I was in the thick of it... As time has gone on the mandates, and really the vaccine, has almost become an absurd troll on the general public. I think there have been plenty of memes to show the amount of mental gymnastics that the public health leaders have had to do to convince people of its long term efficacy. Combined with the fact that its side effects have not just been downplayed, but hidden from the public. The politics involved with the vaccine has polluted the truth.

What do you believe is an effective treatment for covid?

[BKColt]

Also interested in the different and emergent vaccines such as Novavax, a non mRNA vax that was just approved for Canada and shortly will be in the US.

[Gadianton Slayer]

It’s interesting, because some of our local leadership specializes in the same thing you do, but refuse to acknowledge this basic reality.

Because they are evil.

[JohnnyL]

"local customs"--WHERE in the USA do "local customs" include wearing a mask, especially before Covid?? Nowhere.

[sandman45]

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The false global prophets and hypocrites speak again.

[sandman45]

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This should have been the guidance from the beginning, with the same modification shown for the discretion of the Area Presidencies and Stake Presidencies, applied to the temples.

I am glad to see that change as relating to local meetings. The use of masks should always have been left at the discretion of the local authorities considering they would know the conditions on the ground much better than the general leadership.

Use of masks should never have been suggested.

[Jashon]

This statement is really an affront to the many that have been harmed by listening to the urging of the FP. They know they have institutional backing, so they don't even address the problem or acknowledge that it exists.

[DesertWonderer2]

It boggles my mind that they still believe a cloth or paper square on the face will prevent a virus from escaping or being breathed in. Every single person on a session will come into contact with any viruses floating around, mask or no mask. Nelson and Renlund have to be the two most incompetent physicians ever.

Masks actually put people at risk, because some will go to the temple feeling like they may be getting sick, but assured they can’t spread a virus while wearing a mask.

As a doctor, this has 100% been in my mind from the beginning. I specialize in anesthesia and have been up close and personal with the covid sick and afflicted from day 1. I'm an airway expert and have treated 100's of patients if not 1000's. I've intubated more than I care to count.....We have NEVER worn the masks that 99.9999% of the population wears. Not even close. We use PAPRs and N95's. Regular masks don't do anything at preventing infection or transmission. They do not help at all. ZERO. The studies had concluded this for years before covid. Talk about not "following the science". You might as well have a rabbit's foot in your pocket or wear a pair of lucky boots. The effect would be the same. My colleagues and I sit back and have been baffled at public health officials literally making it up, and the public swallows it up. The FP response to this pandemic has really been a head-scratcher to me. Does not make any sense to me.

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