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We know from the scriptures that Noah is the angel Gabriel. I’ve been studying him for a little bit now and want to share a few things.
First he stands next to Adam in authority.
TPJS p. 157
“He is Michael the Archangel spoken of in the scriptures. Then to Noah who is Gabriel, he stands next in authority to Adam in the priesthood. He was called of God to this office, and was the father of all living in his day and to him was given the dominion. These men held keys first on earth and then in heaven.”
Reading this it’s very peculiar that Joseph in all his visions of angels/prophets of old Never really mentioned Gabriel. If he stands next to Adam in authority, wouldn’t he be significant? He is.

That brings me to D&C 27:6-7:
“And also with Elias, to whom I have committed the keys of bringing to pass the restoration of all things spoken by the mouth of all the holy prophets since the world began, concerning the last days;
And also John the son of Zacharias, which Zacharias he (Elias) visited and gave promise that he should have a son, and his name should be John, and he should be filled with the spirit of Elias;”

So from that we learn that Gabriel is Elias. Not an Elias, the Elias. The one who is in D&C 110:12. And on the mount of transfiguration, possibly, as it would make sense.

In Revelation 10:1 there is an angel (presumably Noah) who descends with a rainbow on his head which signifies the token of the covenant from Noah’s earlier mission. In chapter 10, John hears a voice from heaven which tells him to take the book from the angel’s hand and eat it up.
Also referenced in D&C 77:14.

Moses chapters 7&8 are very significant as we read about the covenants God makes with Enoch and then with Noah.
We are his posterity: Moses 7:42, 51-53
Noah IS righteousness: 7:60-62 and Hebrews 11:7. Righteousness from other scriptures equates to God’s right arm.

This article from 1994 is a really good read on Noah role as well.
https://www.thechurchnews.com/archives/ ... ood-140465

We are taught in the church that the rainbow symbolizes that God will never flood the earth again. It goes beyond that…..God says the bow will be in the cloud that He will remember the everlasting covenant with Noah, which is that Zion will come upon the earth once the city of Enoch descends.
Look:

“And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant, ​which I made unto thy father Enoch; that, when men should keep all my commandments, Zion should again come on the earth, the city of Enoch which I have caught up unto myself.​
​​​22 ​​And this is mine everlasting covenant, that when thy posterity shall embrace the truth, and look upward, then shall Zion look downward, and all the heavens shall shake with gladness, and the earth shall tremble with joy;​
​​​23 ​​And the general assembly of the church of the firstborn shall come down out of heaven, and possess the earth, and shall have place until the end come. And this is mine everlasting covenant, which I made with thy father Enoch.​“
Genesis 9:21-23 JST

When will Zion return?
When the posterity of Noah keeps the commandments, embraces the truth and looks upward, Zion shall look downward.
We are the posterity promised to Noah…. We are the remnant.

“And the Lord could not withhold; and he covenanted with Enoch, and sware unto him with an oath, that he would stay the floods; that he would call upon the children of Noah;
52 And he sent forth an unalterable decree, that a remnant of his seed should always be found among all nations, while the earth should stand;“
Moses 7:51-52

Mamabear wrote:
We are taught in the church that the rainbow symbolizes that God will never flood the earth again. It goes beyond that…..God says the bow will be in the cloud that He will remember the everlasting covenant with Noah, which is that Zion will come upon the earth once the city of Enoch descends.

Yes, what you say here is true but it’s not a sequence if that’s what your thinking because Zion, the New Jerusalem, the Holy City, God’s tabernacle and the city of Enoch are all one and the same thing. As it says in verse 21 (Genesis 9:21-23) “ Zion should again come on the earth, the city of Enoch which I have caught up unto myself.” So Zion = the city of Enoch…

friendsofthe wrote: ↑March 27th, 2022, 1:33 pm

Mamabear wrote:
We are taught in the church that the rainbow symbolizes that God will never flood the earth again. It goes beyond that…..God says the bow will be in the cloud that He will remember the everlasting covenant with Noah, which is that Zion will come upon the earth once the city of Enoch descends.

Yes, what you say here is true but it’s not a sequence if that’s what your thinking because Zion, the New Jerusalem, the Holy City, God’s tabernacle and the city of Enoch are all one and the same thing. As it says in verse 21 (Genesis 9:21-23) “ Zion should again come on the earth, the city of Enoch which I have caught up unto myself.” So Zion = the city of Enoch…

Agreed.
Zion has not been established yet.

Or should we say "has not returned yet"?

friendsofthe wrote: ↑March 27th, 2022, 2:15 pm Or should we say "has not returned yet"?

It's been a minute. Welcome back

The article from the Church news is very good. It explains the rainbow sign and the significance of Noah's life and the role of Gabriel very well. With that context in mind we have to assume the first presidency is very aware of the meaning/significance of the rainbow as a symbol of God's covenant to us. But yet we see many members using the rainbow as a corrupt symbol to mean something very different and nary a word is uttered by our leaders.

friendsofthe wrote: ↑March 27th, 2022, 2:15 pm Or should we say "has not returned yet"?

My understanding is that Zion from above will return after Zion from below has been established. Like Mamabear expressed here in the post.....

"When will Zion return?
When the posterity of Noah keeps the commandments, embraces the truth and looks upward, Zion shall look downward.
We are the posterity promised to Noah…. We are the remnant."

The Lord has also used the term Zion to refer to other geographical locations. One such location is Jackson County, Missouri as revealed in the D&C and he also uses the term Zion to define the pure in heart.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... n?lang=eng

Godislove wrote:
My understanding is that Zion from above will return after Zion from below has been established. Like Mamabear expressed here in the post..…

Actually it’s just the opposite…

How are the saints gathered to Zion? Well, there will be a group that will trek back to Missouri but what do you do if you live in Australia or Africa or on an island out in the Pacific… are you going to trek? Of course not… this is how it works…

A group of saints will make the trek back to Missouri and then the Lord will send his angels to gather the remainder to where they are, we read from Mark 13:

24  But in those days, after that tribulation, (abomination of desolation) the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

So actually the bulk of the elect won’t be gathered to Missouri until the Lord is about to make his appearance to them as the Bridegroom. We go to JST Luke 17 and read:

36 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord, shall they be taken?
37 And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is gathered; or, in other words, whithersoever the saints are gathered, (those who trek back to Missouri) thither will the eagles be gathered together; or, thither will the remainder be gathered together.
38 This he spake, signifying the gathering of his saints; and of angels descending and gathering the remainder unto them; the one from the bed, the other from the grinding, and the other from the field, whithersoever he listeth.

And so step 1 is that the saints trek back to Missouri, step 2 is that the angels gather “the remainder” or those who cannot trek, they will arrive in time to make a few final preparations, step 3 is the Lord’s first appearance to his saints. We read from Rev 21:

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, PREPARED as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

So the heavenly new Jerusalem or the tabernacle of God or the city of Enoch comes with him in time to provide protection and whatever is needed for the saints who have been gathered from around the globe…. “and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.”

Now we can move on to step 4 which is the building of the earthly New Jerusalem, it is built BY THE GATHERING OF THE SAINTS which was only just accomplished by the angels and we will have help from Enoch and his people and others who already know how to build the earthly New Jerusalem.