The elect are not and will not be deceived

[blitzinstripes]

I'm typing this as I wait for my wife at Walmart. The sheep walking past my car with their one or two bags of food and groceries will die in droves when the SHTF. Most have less than a week of food in their house and cannot function without internet and electric. We are a weak generation.

[EvanLM]

I’ve been studying the topic of the elect. It’s clear to me that the elect have not been and will not be deceived. The key phrase is “if it were possible.” It isn’t possible to deceive the elect. They are God’s and know his voice.
This is why it’s hard to watch those around us fall for deception, especially in leadership positions. We have been conditioned to believe they are the elect.

“For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, IF IT WERE POSSIBLE, they shall deceive the very elect.” Matthew 24:24

“For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.”
Mark 13:22

“And ye are called to bring to pass the gathering of mine elect; for mine elect hear my voice and harden not their hearts;”
D&C 29:7

A funny side note is, in Matthew 24:24, Christ is talking about the end time right before He comes. However, if you look at the footnote for that scripture it says, apostasy of the early Christian church. That’s not at all what He was talking about. It’s my belief in scriptures where it refers to false prophets, they try to sway you (in the footnotes) to think that it’s during the early apostasy, when really it’s the later apostasy.

I am multitasking and decided to brief this forum . . .I got past your beginning and stopped short of this sentence . . . We have been conditioned . . . .thankyou for finally saying the obvious . . .thank you for saying the truth . . . l'll read the rest now. . .

[Catherine]

If the elect cannot be deceived, how come the first presidency has given us this crazy vaxx guidance? Are they not the elect?

good question.

I haven't heard any "get your food storage in order" talks since Kimball died, except for that gas-lighting talk back in 2021. So....we don't need food storage anymore, or we don't need to be told anymore? Are they saying that new members that joined after they stopped talking about it don't need to hear it? Meanwhile, the alarm bells and the Spirit is telling me otherwise on the jab, the masks, the debt, and the food storage.

So.....I don't know.

So true! I only hear about food storage on a ward level. I think it is because Obama when he was Prez signed into law that anyone hoarding food is considered a terrorist. So I guess that's just another thing the church has to cave to:/

[endlessQuestions]

The Greek is really helpful here:

“They will give signs great, and wonders,
so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect”

So they will try. Nothing about whether or not the elect have some super strength to resist and overcome, in this verse, it would seem.

[EvanLM]

I’ve been studying the topic of the elect. It’s clear to me that the elect have not been and will not be deceived. The key phrase is “if it were possible.” It isn’t possible to deceive the elect. They are God’s and know his voice.
This is why it’s hard to watch those around us fall for deception, especially in leadership positions. We have been conditioned to believe they are the elect.

“For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, IF IT WERE POSSIBLE, they shall deceive the very elect.” Matthew 24:24

“For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.”
Mark 13:22

“And ye are called to bring to pass the gathering of mine elect; for mine elect hear my voice and harden not their hearts;”
D&C 29:7

A funny side note is, in Matthew 24:24, Christ is talking about the end time right before He comes. However, if you look at the footnote for that scripture it says, apostasy of the early Christian church. That’s not at all what He was talking about. It’s my belief in scriptures where it refers to false prophets, they try to sway you (in the footnotes) to think that it’s during the early apostasy, when really it’s the later apostasy.

omy . . . . . . . yep those footnotes are mostly false . . . I have always wondered who came up with those ideas. . . however, believe it or not, my great uncle was a part of creating those footnotes . . . . keep in mind this was my mother's uncle so . . . . a long time ago . . . as a young person I never asked the names of the group that he worked with . . . . he did know the scriptures real well and told lots of funny stories from them . . .he also had his calling and election made sure but I don't think it was from the prophet but Christ himself . . . I believe it happened . . .

btw . . .he married the sister of my "gambling for profession" grandpa . . . and my parents were inactive with my mother not even knowing who King Benjamin was . . . so don't get any silly ideas. . . he was an inlaw . . .

AND don't you love the label of those who are gathered . . .the elect . . . .not everyone . . . . then it shows the agency of man when it says the elect hear my voice and do not harden their hearts . . . making it not difficult at all to know if you are elect . . . humble and comforting statement there. . .

[EvanLM]

If the elect cannot be deceived, how come the first presidency has given us this crazy vaxx guidance? Are they not the elect?

obviously, they have been decieved. . . so . . . answer in my opinion . . .no they aren't

[Original_Intent]

I'm typing this as I wait for my wife at Walmart. The sheep walking past my car with their one or two bags of food and groceries will die in droves when the SHTF. Most have less than a week of food in their house and cannot function without internet and electric. We are a weak generation.

It's funny that you mention Wal*Mart. I was there today, almost everything was a lot higher than the last time I was there, but a 2 liter generic soda has gone from 84 cents to 72 cents.

They want you sick (paying for diabetes meds) or dead. Any good food is going to get prohibitively expensive, garbage is going down, which makes zero sense in this economy.

[EvanLM]

I reject the premise that the elect cannot be deceived. There has been and probably forever will be a debate about the reading "...if it were possible..." a technical reading of current English would say there is an implied "bit it's not [possible]."

The turn of phrase typically just means "will be giving the utmost effort" with no prediction of success or failure.

I think the idea is false because show me one person on earth who is not translated who is not susceptible to deceit. I think it is a part of existence here regardless of how good you are or how connected to the powers of heaven you are. Yes, you can safeguard yourself against catastrophic missteps and deception - but no one is immune imho.

everyone is susceptible, but if you are listening to God, which it says the elect are, then . . you will not . . .

[endlessQuestions]

Orson Pratt:

"But, it may be inquired, how are the humble, honest souls to discern between truth and
falsehood? Must they be condemned with liars, because they are deceived with lies? We answer,
that all will be condemned who suffer themselves to be deceived: for there is a way for every
person to come to the light of truth; and it is not in the power of the devil to invent lies so plausible
as to prevent the really honest person from discovering the truth that pertains to his salvation. The
scriptures have expressly declared, that "cursed is he that putteth his trust in man or maketh flesh
his arm." Now any person who will put his confidence and trust in popular lies, invented by the
devil to prevent the people from discovering the truth, must rest under that curse, and in the day of
judgment be condemned with liars."

And it seems to me that President Nelson worked very hard to push us over to that source before he began parroting Babylon. Do others see that as well?

[EvanLM]

I believe the men at the top who appear to mislead in the holy city do so by following the Lord and acting as his left arm at the time of the destruction and dissolution of the nations, political and ecclesiastical.

False brethren have long since ceased to reliably build his kingdom and have outlived their usefulness in that and so are, as per plan, fomenting needed division.

Sad to see, but in their compromised state and in the spirit of obedience they do act to prepare the way for the Antichrist (and the Lord). They're mostly righteous, obedient men! Who can fault them otherwise?!? All taking orders, so to say.

no evil man follows the Lord. and . . .the Lord never, never , never tells men to do bad things. Men are corruptible and the Lord protects us from their evil . . . then, when we need to be chastised, or we have gotten evil, the Lord removes his protection . . . just simply removes his protection . . . .the wicked kill the wicked. . . they kill some good, too. . . the Lord has protected us from many years since WW2 . . . I'm grateful for that but he has now removed his protection . . . .he is perfect and cannot even tempt man to be evil . . . he warns us

[EvanLM]

If the elect cannot be deceived, how come the first presidency has given us this crazy vaxx guidance? Are they not the elect?

I don't know. All I know is I believe the scriptures.
The elect aren’t deceived by the world, philosophies of men, religion, governments, science, etc. The elect are the meek, humble, poor in spirit, the persecuted.

I can't think of a single Q15 that fits the description above in red.

I don't know a single person that fits that description. In or out of the church.

That's why I think this scripture is referring to a future time. A time after the members go through much hardship and severe persecution.

That seems to be backed up by the heading for Mathew 24

Jesus foretells the doom of Jerusalem and the destruction of the temple—Great calamities will precede His Second Coming—He gives the parable of the fig tree.

there are some already in the church and living today that have been persecuted, betrayed, and just beat on . . .we are being prepared for the even greater beatings of the last days . . . we are meek, and poor in spirit. . .humble to the Lord regarding what he has done in our lives as evil has tried to destroy us . . . . not given in to evil and grateful for the deliverance of the Lord when our very lives were at a stake . . . those who have already been through the fire will be prepared to help others who will have to go through the same fire . . . seeing evil firsthand and what it can do to us through other men provides a knowledge that keeps us vigilant. . . I say "we" cuz I just can't think I am the only one who has been tried like this . . .. and yes, I am unimportant to man . . but not to God . . .

This is a beautiful promise from God that if you would be elect as he describes then you will NOT be deceived . . .

[markharr]

I don't know. All I know is I believe the scriptures.
The elect aren’t deceived by the world, philosophies of men, religion, governments, science, etc. The elect are the meek, humble, poor in spirit, the persecuted.

I can't think of a single Q15 that fits the description above in red.

I don't know a single person that fits that description. In or out of the church.

That's why I think this scripture is referring to a future time. A time after the members go through much hardship and severe persecution.

That seems to be backed up by the heading for Mathew 24

Jesus foretells the doom of Jerusalem and the destruction of the temple—Great calamities will precede His Second Coming—He gives the parable of the fig tree.

there are some already in the church and living today that have been persecuted, betrayed, and just beat on . . .we are being prepared for the even greater beatings of the last days . . . we are meek, and poor in spirit. . .humble to the Lord regarding what he has done in our lives as evil has tried to destroy us . . . . not given in to evil and grateful for the deliverance of the Lord when our very lives were at a stake . . . those who have already been through the fire will be prepared to help others who will have to go through the same fire . . . seeing evil firsthand and what it can do to us through other men provides a knowledge that keeps us vigilant. . . I say "we" cuz I just can't think I am the only one who has been tried like this . . .. and yes, I am unimportant to man . . but not to God . . .

This is a beautiful promise from God that if you would be elect as he describes then you will NOT be deceived . . .

I don't disagree that we are going through persecution now but this may be nothing compared to what is coming.

[BeNotDeceived]

I'm typing this as I wait for my wife at Walmart. The sheep walking past my car with their one or two bags of food and groceries will die in droves when the SHTF. Most have less than a week of food in their house and cannot function without internet and electric. We are a weak generation.

It's funny that you mention Wal*Mart. I was there today, almost everything was a lot higher than the last time I was there, but a 2 liter generic soda has gone from 84 cents to 72 cents.

They want you sick (paying for diabetes meds) or dead. Any good food is going to get prohibitively expensive, garbage is going down, which makes zero sense in this economy.

Dr. Lustig is one of the least deceived, but big sodas big dollars buy many ads on news networks.

No wonder we’re in the diabetic toilet we’re in.

Say tax the sugar, and big soda will quickly buy off another politician like they’ve done so many times before.

[I Dont Know...]

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If the elect cannot be deceived, how come the first presidency has given us this crazy vaxx guidance? Are they not the elect?

[The Red Pill]

Isaiah taught us that the bitter fruit of idolatry...IS spiritual blindness.

That's our current condition, including those at the top.

[Catherine]

I am a good person. I really try. But I have been deceived multiple times in my life. I must not be elect. But sheesh how good do you need to be? If our leaders can be deceived, and we know they can, WHO is elect??

[logonbump]

I believe the men at the top who appear to mislead in the holy city do so by following the Lord and acting as his left arm at the time of the destruction and dissolution of the nations, political and ecclesiastical.

False brethren have long since ceased to reliably build his kingdom and have outlived their usefulness in that and so are, as per plan, fomenting needed division.

Sad to see, but in their compromised state and in the spirit of obedience they do act to prepare the way for the Antichrist (and the Lord). They're mostly righteous, obedient men! Who can fault them otherwise?!? All taking orders, so to say.

They are using the very phrases of Fauci and Klaus Schwab. It's hard to imagine the Lord told them to speak those phrases, unless he wants people who are obedient to the church destroyed.

Not that they spoke the revealed word, obviously. But if the Lord directs them to go along to their own demise, (and ours if we follow unwittingly) shame on us. Yes. Mr globaloney had some influence, so it seems.

[Mamabear]

I am a good person. I really try. But I have been deceived multiple times in my life. I must not be elect. But sheesh how good do you need to be? If our leaders can be deceived, and we know they can, WHO is elect??

I’m sure you’re doing just fine… we all make mistakes. The scriptures that I cited were referring to those that could be deceived by false prophets and false Christs but are not.

[Fred]

I am a good person. I really try. But I have been deceived multiple times in my life. I must not be elect. But sheesh how good do you need to be? If our leaders can be deceived, and we know they can, WHO is elect??

It depends on what the deceit is. The Q15 fell for the NWO deceit so fast that they had mandates stronger than the government. But most of us on this forum were not deceived. Of course, once you go down the rabbit hole far enough to call the satanic clot shot a godsend, it is no longer about deceit. Once you decide the direction of the church by surveys, it is no longer about being elite, either. It is more about the scum of the earth scrambling, trying to keep their loot.

When the first god hater that suggested finding out what the members want, turned the church into a populist quorum, disregarding any input from God if there ever was any, the course was set for hell. It probably never occurred to any of them to ask God what he thinks, as by then, they had already partnered with satan full bore.

Maybe the elect are the members of LDSFF that really do try to follow Christ and have NOT been deceived like the Q15.

[I Dont Know...]

I believe the men at the top who appear to mislead in the holy city do so by following the Lord and acting as his left arm at the time of the destruction and dissolution of the nations, political and ecclesiastical.

False brethren have long since ceased to reliably build his kingdom and have outlived their usefulness in that and so are, as per plan, fomenting needed division.

Sad to see, but in their compromised state and in the spirit of obedience they do act to prepare the way for the Antichrist (and the Lord). They're mostly righteous, obedient men! Who can fault them otherwise?!? All taking orders, so to say.

...I concur...at one time I actually believed the brethren were evil men effecting Satan's plan...however, the spirit corrected my understanding and to my absolute surprise confirmed these men were righteous. Not Holy Men, but righteous men...now, righteous men can and will be deceived through pride, idol worship, gold and silver...and a failure to repent and turn back to God...a difficult task when one has already replaced Christ with Babylon...

...this I believe is what we are experiencing in the LDS church right now...in perfect harmony with revealed doctrine and what the Holy Ghost has revealed...

it's clear to me...and apparently to many others that what we are experiencing is the deterioration of societal laws in preparation for a division...a spiritual separation of the willing v the unwilling...

...I for one am excited...maybe we will yet see the risen Lord in the flesh!...

[EvanLM]

I will

[SempiternalHarbinger]

Well, there is the possibility that the Brethren (elect) are not deceived and are following satan, fauci, Schwab, et al, with full knowledge that they are giving up a life with Christ and God, and are fully aware of the consequences of thinking Lucifer had the best plan. In ALL cases, 100% of the time, democrats, Marxists, socialists, and other Luciferians DO believe that Lucifer had the best plan. It is not possible for a socialist to follow Christ without a change of heart. So when you realize that the Q15 are socialists and do vote left and do hate freedom, that if they did think that Lucifer had a bad plan, they would not be following it to the T.

Fred, maybe you didn't get the memo, even if the brethren are socialist, or are following satan, they have earned a permanent pass and are in good standing with God. They are all home-free.

[BeNotDeceived]

I am a good person. I really try. But I have been deceived multiple times in my life. I must not be elect. But sheesh how good do you need to be? If our leaders can be deceived, and we know they can, WHO is elect??

The worms that aren’t deceived.

[Mamabear]

Well, there is the possibility that the Brethren (elect) are not deceived and are following satan, fauci, Schwab, et al, with full knowledge that they are giving up a life with Christ and God, and are fully aware of the consequences of thinking Lucifer had the best plan. In ALL cases, 100% of the time, democrats, Marxists, socialists, and other Luciferians DO believe that Lucifer had the best plan. It is not possible for a socialist to follow Christ without a change of heart. So when you realize that the Q15 are socialists and do vote left and do hate freedom, that if they did think that Lucifer had a bad plan, they would not be following it to the T.

Fred, maybe you didn't get the memo, even if the brethren are socialist, or are following satan, they have earned a permanent pass and are in good standing with God. They are all home-free.

Is he serious? What is this from?

[Fred]

Well, there is the possibility that the Brethren (elect) are not deceived and are following satan, fauci, Schwab, et al, with full knowledge that they are giving up a life with Christ and God, and are fully aware of the consequences of thinking Lucifer had the best plan. In ALL cases, 100% of the time, democrats, Marxists, socialists, and other Luciferians DO believe that Lucifer had the best plan. It is not possible for a socialist to follow Christ without a change of heart. So when you realize that the Q15 are socialists and do vote left and do hate freedom, that if they did think that Lucifer had a bad plan, they would not be following it to the T.

Fred, maybe you didn't get the memo, even if the brethren are socialist, or are following satan, they have earned a permanent pass and are in good standing with God. They are all home-free.

Yes, I missed that memo. Thanks for enlightening me and bringing me up to speed. Did Judas get that same assurance?

Sorry. It is just another lie from the Q15.