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Elder Renlund talks about the first presidency letter regarding vaccinations. Here's a transcription I did starting at about 1hr:03min giving some context around when he was talking about it. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/bro ... 1?lang=eng

One interesting thing to me is that he went into the handbook and read the section about vaccinations and getting guidance from the Holy Ghost. Mainly because when I brought up the section in the handbook about getting guidance from the Holy Ghost to my TBM sister, she essentially said that if they wanted us to use the handbook instructions for THIS vaccine, they would have said that in the letter. And that since they didn't, this is an extra special vaccine that is super important. (I'm paraphrasing). Basically, if this vaccine was like the other vaccines then they wouldn't have sent out a specific first presidency message to support it, they would have just said, "Here's what the handbook says."

Elder Renlund:
If you ask him (God) for that witness, you too will know that Russel Marion Nelson is God's prophet on the earth today. President Nelson is really something else. It would be wrong to say that he doesn't care what people think, he's too much of a gentleman for that. But it's most correct to say that his primary audience is the Lord Jesus Christ. That's who he cares about, that's who he seeks to please. And if you think about it, if you have any questions about the direction you recieve, that's the question. What is President Nelson thinking? He's thinking, how does he please the Saviour, how does he take the Saviour's church for which he has stewardship and present it back to the Saviour without being blemished, or harmed, in any way. I know that he is a prophet of God.

With regards to the letter, you can, you know, in Acts chapter 10 Peter receives this revelation that eventually comes to be crystal clear that the gospel should be taken to the Gentiles. But there was still issues to figure out, and so in Acts 15 they're trying to figure out do those who are Gentiles need to become Jewish first, and then become Christian, or is there something other, and there was a heated discussion. So they come up with four things that they needed to do to become Christian that were part of Jewish law, and Peter gets up and he says this, "It seemed good to the Holy Ghost and to us to require these four things." And what I can tell you about this letter, as it was discussed by the first presidency and quorum of the twelve, is that it seemed good to the Holy Ghost and to us to send that letter. If you were to go to your Gospel Library (he then goes into the handbook and reads the statement there about vaccinations, including the part about seeking guidance from the Holy Ghost). Whether or not someone is vaccinated is not a temple recommend question, and it shouldn't be a point of contention. Read that section of the handbook, and then follow that. There's an interesting verse in Romans 14 and if you read the chapter heading it gives us the direction Paul I think would give us now, and that I would give you. The chapter heading says, "Avoid quarreling about opinions and making unrighteous judgement of each other." And then some of the pertinent verses here,
1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother’s way.
It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is aoffended, or is made weak.
The way that we avoid contention is we put the Saviour first. We put him and his gospel first.

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They are unbelievably deceived. The members of the Church harmed by this should sue. Their teaching authority will be completely undermined when this unravels.

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They just keep digging their pit deeper and deeper.

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Christianlee wrote: February 2nd, 2022, 1:19 pm They are unbelievably deceived. The members of the Church harmed by this should sue. Their teaching authority will be completely undermined when this unravels.
It's unraveling at an alarming pace and yet they keep doubling down.

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I am afraid it is the NWO/Great Reset bias of the LDS leaders. They have their ears attuned to the elites in international corporations.

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Well, I understand his position. And at least he’s out there articulating it. I just don’t agree with it. And it makes me wonder why it never occurs to them that some of us out there are just as loyal to the Lord as Russell M. Nelson is.

Here’s one thing I know: the longer this goes on, the worse it looks for President Nelson. It is getting to the point where no competent, honest cardiologist will deny the spike in myocarditis that is tied to the jabs. I understand that Pres. Nelson hasn’t practiced medicine for 30 years, but you can’t tell me he’s unaware of this. And the fact that they’re pushing harder for it in the very cohort that is suffering the worst effects looks very, very bad.

I wish President Nelson and his brethren would take their own advice and seek out the best doctors on this. I took their advice, worked hard, and found them, and these doctors are adamant that these jabs stop immediately. Dr. Peter McCullough is a cardiologist President Nelson should really consult with. So again, dear leaders, let’s continue to reason this out together, as the C Lord has commanded us to.

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Were the Sadducees and Pharisees loyal to the Lord? They certainly thought they were.

Were they closer to the Lord than RMN? Or about the same?

Of course, their part in killing Jesus, suggests something about how loyal they actually were. Would RMN kill Jesus as easily as he does grandma when he tells her to get a clot shot? If the three Nephites showed up with beards and sandals, would RMN send them to the government welfare for food and clothes? Like he has ordered all Bishops and Stake Presidents to do? Or would he personally take them to Mr. Mac and then to Sizzler?

I do not think RMN would recognize Jesus if he saw Him. He might even ask Jesus if He was following the prophet and got his godsend.


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Lemarque wrote: February 2nd, 2022, 12:56 pm “If you ask him (God) for that witness, you too will know that Russel Marion Nelson is God's prophet on the earth today.”
It’s never “ask the Lord IF Nelson is a prophet or not”… it’s always “ask because he IS”.

There is no sincerity in this statement. Ask God so that you can know, period.

They wouldn’t have to say things like this if Nelson actually was.

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Gadianton Slayer wrote: February 2nd, 2022, 2:04 pm
Lemarque wrote: February 2nd, 2022, 12:56 pm “If you ask him (God) for that witness, you too will know that Russel Marion Nelson is God's prophet on the earth today.”
It’s never “ask the Lord IF Nelson is a prophet or not”… it’s always “ask because he IS”.

There is no sincerity in this statement. Ask God so that you can know, period.

They wouldn’t have to say things like this if Nelson actually was.
I'm just glad to know that under his watch there won't be any blemishes to the church!

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Lemarque wrote: February 2nd, 2022, 2:20 pm I'm just glad to know that under his watch there won't be any blemishes to the church of the DEVIL!
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endlessismyname wrote: February 2nd, 2022, 1:40 pm Well, I understand his position. And at least he’s out there articulating it. I just don’t agree with it. And it makes me wonder why it never occurs to them that some of us out there are just as loyal to the Lord as Russell M. Nelson is.

Here’s one thing I know: the longer this goes on, the worse it looks for President Nelson. It is getting to the point where no competent, honest cardiologist will deny the spike in myocarditis that is tied to the jabs. I understand that Pres. Nelson hasn’t practiced medicine for 30 years, but you can’t tell me he’s unaware of this. And the fact that they’re pushing harder for it in the very cohort that is suffering the worst effects looks very, very bad.

I wish President Nelson and his brethren would take their own advice and seek out the best doctors on this. I took their advice, worked hard, and found them, and these doctors are adamant that these jabs stop immediately. Dr. Peter McCullough is a cardiologist President Nelson should really consult with. So again, dear leaders, let’s continue to reason this out together, as the C Lord has commanded us to.
It’s funny how the Lord works —He gets someone who is held up as a pioneer in the breakthrough science for heart surgery, and then that same person will be exposed as someone advocating vaccines that are detrimental to the heart.

Seems like the Lord wants to ensure this scripture gets fulfilled:
“The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the Lord alone shall be exalted in that day.” (Isaiah 2:11)

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SeekWisdom wrote: February 2nd, 2022, 2:47 pm
endlessismyname wrote: February 2nd, 2022, 1:40 pm Well, I understand his position. And at least he’s out there articulating it. I just don’t agree with it. And it makes me wonder why it never occurs to them that some of us out there are just as loyal to the Lord as Russell M. Nelson is.

Here’s one thing I know: the longer this goes on, the worse it looks for President Nelson. It is getting to the point where no competent, honest cardiologist will deny the spike in myocarditis that is tied to the jabs. I understand that Pres. Nelson hasn’t practiced medicine for 30 years, but you can’t tell me he’s unaware of this. And the fact that they’re pushing harder for it in the very cohort that is suffering the worst effects looks very, very bad.

I wish President Nelson and his brethren would take their own advice and seek out the best doctors on this. I took their advice, worked hard, and found them, and these doctors are adamant that these jabs stop immediately. Dr. Peter McCullough is a cardiologist President Nelson should really consult with. So again, dear leaders, let’s continue to reason this out together, as the C Lord has commanded us to.
It’s funny how the Lord works —He gets someone who is held up as a pioneer in the breakthrough science for heart surgery, and then that same person will be exposed as someone advocating vaccines that are detrimental to the heart.

Seems like the Lord wants to ensure this scripture gets fulfilled:
“The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the Lord alone shall be exalted in that day.” (Isaiah 2:11)
Yeah, I don't get the pedestal he gets put on for what he did with his career. The pattern in the scriptures is that God uses the weak and unlearned, not the learned who are wise unto themselves.

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Fred wrote: February 2nd, 2022, 1:22 pm They just keep digging their pit deeper and deeper.
Yes indeed. I think the Church's Ensign Peak Advisors 150 Billion dollar slush fund will take a substantial hit...when the class action wrongful death lawsuits start POURING in.

If Dr. Peter McCullough, a cardiologist, knew in January 2021 that the jab was DEADLY...it's going to be difficult for RMN (a cardiologist) and company to claim they didn't know...

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I wonder why the Spirit of Truth would want them to send a letter that contained objective falsehoods at the time it was written, and has been subsequently been proven to be wrong in its predictions.

Vaccines have no effect in preventing the current strains of COVID. Clearly vaccination has not been the way to "win the war" versus COVID
The vaccines had not been proven safe and effective. They were authorized via emergency procedures and still have not completed their long term trials.
Mask wearing and lockdowns/distancing have not proven to have any net effect on stopping the virus. The data among all these places is essentially the same with regards to covid lethality.

Yet we persist with these requirements in our church which is often more stringent than what is mandated by government. Why? It would be nice if these men who are special witnesses of Christ could explain this to us instead of the constant reassurance that you can't be lead astray.

Each of us has a map in the scriptures. It does no good to continue to tell us that we can't be led astray when we can look at our map and see that we are headed for the great and spacious building and not the tree of life.

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Renlund has leftover surgical sponges in his head me thinks...

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Perched Eagle wrote: February 2nd, 2022, 6:49 pm Renlund has leftover surgical sponges in his head me thinks...
Funny that the Q15 has two heart specialists whose mission in life is to deceive the world with the biggest lie ever told that destroys the heart. Once satan owned these two men, it was a cakewalk to unravel the church with the most Christ followers. With just these two men, the church corporation will be proven to be the biggest fraud on earth. Tickets to Hell in the name of Jesus Christ. The ultimate fraud. Of course, only those that follow the profit will actually go to Hell. The ones that realize what a lie masks and shots are and refuse to follow the liars that tell the lies, will be able to testify what a real godsend is. There won't be any masks in Zion.

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Gadianton Slayer wrote: February 2nd, 2022, 2:04 pm
Lemarque wrote: February 2nd, 2022, 12:56 pm “If you ask him (God) for that witness, you too will know that Russel Marion Nelson is God's prophet on the earth today.”
It’s never “ask the Lord IF Nelson is a prophet or not”… it’s always “ask because he IS”.

There is no sincerity in this statement. Ask God so that you can know, period.

They wouldn’t have to say things like this if Nelson actually was.
and saints are too embarassed to admit that they really didn't get a spiritual confirmation since they believe all of their fellow saints are getting that confirmation. . . .

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EvanLM wrote: February 2nd, 2022, 8:10 pm
Gadianton Slayer wrote: February 2nd, 2022, 2:04 pm
Lemarque wrote: February 2nd, 2022, 12:56 pm “If you ask him (God) for that witness, you too will know that Russel Marion Nelson is God's prophet on the earth today.”
It’s never “ask the Lord IF Nelson is a prophet or not”… it’s always “ask because he IS”.

There is no sincerity in this statement. Ask God so that you can know, period.

They wouldn’t have to say things like this if Nelson actually was.
and saints are too embarassed to admit that they really didn't get a spiritual confirmation since they believe all of their fellow saints are getting that confirmation. . . .
Confirmation bias :)

Bearing false witness :twisted:

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23 Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you, which are built up to get power and gain—and the work, yea, even the work of destruction come upon you, yea, even the sword of the justice of the Eternal God shall fall upon you, to your overthrow and destruction if ye shall suffer these things to be.

24 Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you; or wo be unto it, because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust for vengeance upon it, and also upon those who built it up.

25 For it cometh to pass that whoso buildeth it up seeketh to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries; and it bringeth to pass the destruction of all people, for it is built up by the devil, who is the father of all lies; even that same liar who beguiled our first parents, yea, even that same liar who hath caused man to commit murder from the beginning; who hath hardened the hearts of men that they have murdered the prophets, and stoned them, and cast them out from the beginning.

If the prophets have suffered these things to be or you or I have suffered these things to be then the punishment is right there in these verses. I don't agree they have totally fed into the gads. But when they awake to a sense of this awful situation it will be too late to do anything about it. . . 2 years . . .2 years this has gone on . . .2 years some countries have been locked down . . . notice that in verse 25 it tells us who is responsible for getting the prophets murdered. . . . maybe that will be their awakening when these satan worshipping gads that they trusted start putting them to death. . . notice, Moroni doesn't say 1/3 will awaken or 50% . . .he basically says all . . . talking to the whole group of gentiles. . .us . . .the awakening will be far worse for those who have made poor decisions because of political persuasion . . .

may God have mercy

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Gadianton Slayer wrote: February 2nd, 2022, 8:24 pm
EvanLM wrote: February 2nd, 2022, 8:10 pm
Gadianton Slayer wrote: February 2nd, 2022, 2:04 pm
Lemarque wrote: February 2nd, 2022, 12:56 pm “If you ask him (God) for that witness, you too will know that Russel Marion Nelson is God's prophet on the earth today.”
It’s never “ask the Lord IF Nelson is a prophet or not”… it’s always “ask because he IS”.

There is no sincerity in this statement. Ask God so that you can know, period.

They wouldn’t have to say things like this if Nelson actually was.
and saints are too embarassed to admit that they really didn't get a spiritual confirmation since they believe all of their fellow saints are getting that confirmation. . . .
Confirmation bias :)

Bearing false witness :twisted:

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yea, some years ago I was told by the locals that if we didn't feel like doing it then do it until we do feel like it . . . I think this falls in line with you post, too

but I also know that the Lord will not begin the big cleansing until we are RIPE iniquity . . . maybe we're still green . . .

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What does “seemed good to the Holy Ghost” actually mean?

Seems like wishful thinking, at best. Any thoughts on the actual authorization from the Holy Ghost for the benefit of the entire Church?

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buffalo_girl wrote: February 3rd, 2022, 5:52 am Any thoughts on the actual authorization from the Holy Ghost for the benefit of the entire Church?
There's none.

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EvanLM wrote: February 2nd, 2022, 8:43 pm
Gadianton Slayer wrote: February 2nd, 2022, 8:24 pm
EvanLM wrote: February 2nd, 2022, 8:10 pm
Gadianton Slayer wrote: February 2nd, 2022, 2:04 pm
It’s never “ask the Lord IF Nelson is a prophet or not”… it’s always “ask because he IS”.

There is no sincerity in this statement. Ask God so that you can know, period.

They wouldn’t have to say things like this if Nelson actually was.
and saints are too embarassed to admit that they really didn't get a spiritual confirmation since they believe all of their fellow saints are getting that confirmation. . . .
Confirmation bias :)

Bearing false witness :twisted:

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yea, some years ago I was told by the locals that if we didn't feel like doing it then do it until we do feel like it . . . I think this falls in line with you post, too

but I also know that the Lord will not begin the big cleansing until we are RIPE iniquity . . . maybe we're still green . . .
Oh I think it's ripe, the cleansing may just look a bit different than many suppose. This church is not God's.

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I was waiting for our Elders to save the church but feel it has become “cursed”. I already knew the church would be chastised for taking the teachings lightly but I did not think it would be destroyed. My faith is in Jesus Christ. I have no fear because I placed the blood of the lamb on my door and knew with all my heart that he would provide even if it meant quitting my job to remain unvaccinated. I’m an RN. My husband and I have not been unemployed throughout this nonsense and I refused to wear a mask at church, stood up walked over and picked up a hymn book stashed in the back of the room, called the Elders cowards, drank from the covered water fountain and had a son come home from his mission because he was chastised for doing service. He too is unvaccinated. This church as abandoned my family. I will fight because I believe in the “word” of God and what is happening has Satan’s signature all over it.

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