Russia/Ukraine Appears Like it Might be Going Hot Right Now

[Sarah]

"They" want us to pick sides so that we can have a war and the West can be defeated. How is Soros going to usher in the NWO?

Bingo. exactly correct-a-mundo on the first statement.

On the second one - I don't know. There are a lot of theories. I haven't settled on one yet. One of the most prevalent is:

some kind of crisis - virus / war / etc. -> economic collapse / slowdown / -> many industrialized countries defaulting on debts -> create new digital currency -> forgive debts if they agree to use the new currency -> enforcement of fraud over new currency run by some "world body" / Interpol / whatever - centrally controlled -> start controlling which businesses can operate where because "climate change" -> less local control over business. etc./etc. More global control, less local control.

Okay, one theory is that there will be a new currency introduced when the dollar and other world currencies collapse. This is so everyone can be controlled with this new currency. Interesting that China has already developed their own digital currency. Who is going to make sure everyone falls in line and protects the elites from the mobs, when everything collapses? You have to have a supply of food and fuel, and I see Russia and China ahead in preparing that way more than I see the West preparing. Has the West been building reserves of grain and gold like these countries? No. And these "world bodies" contain many members like Russia and China who claim to be against the Western order, so you'd have to kick out Russia and China as members of these world bodies first, but they have big guns and armies, so how did the Western elites plan for enforcing their new currency and will to these giant countries? They need a massive army. The Western armies not only are no match for Russia's and China's combined, they won't be able to be feed their troops for as long as the Chinese can feed their troops. The narrative that the West was planning on enforcing their plan all over the world including these countries makes no sense.

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"They" want us to pick sides so that we can have a war and the West can be defeated. How is Soros going to usher in the NWO?

Bingo. exactly correct-a-mundo on the first statement.

On the second one - I don't know. There are a lot of theories. I haven't settled on one yet. One of the most prevalent is:

some kind of crisis - virus / war / etc. -> economic collapse / slowdown / -> many industrialized countries defaulting on debts -> create new digital currency -> forgive debts if they agree to use the new currency -> enforcement of fraud over new currency run by some "world body" / Interpol / whatever - centrally controlled -> start controlling which businesses can operate where because "climate change" -> less local control over business. etc./etc. More global control, less local control.

Okay, one theory is that there will be a new currency introduced when the dollar and other world currencies collapse. This is so everyone can be controlled with this new currency. Interesting that China has already developed their own digital currency. Who is going to make sure everyone falls in line and protects the elites from the mobs, when everything collapses? You have to have a supply of food and fuel, and I see Russia and China ahead in preparing that way more than I see the West preparing. Has the West been building reserves of grain and gold like these countries? No. And these "world bodies" contain many members like Russia and China who claim to be against the Western order, so you'd have to kick out Russia and China as members of these world bodies first, but they have big guns and armies, so how did the Western elites plan for enforcing their new currency and will to these giant countries? They need a massive army. The Western armies not only are no match for Russia's and China's combined, they won't be able to be feed their troops for as long as the Chinese can feed their troops. The narrative that the West was planning on enforcing their plan all over the world including these countries makes no sense.

I think you are right - if you replace "the west" with "the globalists" - they are not part of "a country" or "a hemisphere" they are technocrats, billionaires, Elites, the ones funding idiots like Trudeau, Zelenskiy, Arden, Thunberg, etc.

Google already operates as an "extra-national" corporation, for example. How easy is it to become "deplatformed" from, say, Youtube? How easy was it to freeze the bank accounts of the Truckers? They don't need to feed troops to defeat us - just shut down your bank account, take away your Rx's, restrict your freedom of movement because you don't have a 5th booster. You don't really think Ebay, Amazon, Google keep asking for your phone number for account access out of some kind of security concern, right? I'll wager it's ALL related.

They voted to shut Russia out of SWIFT early this morning. Russia said if they did this, they would unleash a response unlike any we have ever known. So, earlier this afternoon, I heard Russia activated their nuclear defense force. Now what?

BTW, Soros doesn't really care about Ukraine - only as far as they can provide further catalytic behavior to cause more chaos, from which he can create Order (globalist type order). Almost everyone is universally "for Ukraine" - look at fb - look at fox news - look at CNN - they are all promoting the same story: "poor Ukraine, standing against Russia all alone!"

[Sarah]

"They" want us to pick sides so that we can have a war and the West can be defeated. How is Soros going to usher in the NWO?

Bingo. exactly correct-a-mundo on the first statement.

On the second one - I don't know. There are a lot of theories. I haven't settled on one yet. One of the most prevalent is:

some kind of crisis - virus / war / etc. -> economic collapse / slowdown / -> many industrialized countries defaulting on debts -> create new digital currency -> forgive debts if they agree to use the new currency -> enforcement of fraud over new currency run by some "world body" / Interpol / whatever - centrally controlled -> start controlling which businesses can operate where because "climate change" -> less local control over business. etc./etc. More global control, less local control.

Okay, one theory is that there will be a new currency introduced when the dollar and other world currencies collapse. This is so everyone can be controlled with this new currency. Interesting that China has already developed their own digital currency. Who is going to make sure everyone falls in line and protects the elites from the mobs, when everything collapses? You have to have a supply of food and fuel, and I see Russia and China ahead in preparing that way more than I see the West preparing. Has the West been building reserves of grain and gold like these countries? No. And these "world bodies" contain many members like Russia and China who claim to be against the Western order, so you'd have to kick out Russia and China as members of these world bodies first, but they have big guns and armies, so how did the Western elites plan for enforcing their new currency and will to these giant countries? They need a massive army. The Western armies not only are no match for Russia's and China's combined, they won't be able to be feed their troops for as long as the Chinese can feed their troops. The narrative that the West was planning on enforcing their plan all over the world including these countries makes no sense.

I think you are right - if you replace "the west" with "the globalists" - they are not part of "a country" or "a hemisphere" they are technocrats, billionaires, Elites, the ones funding idiots like Trudeau, Zelenskiy, Arden, Thunberg, etc.

Google already operates as an "extra-national" corporation, for example. How easy is it to become "deplatformed" from, say, Youtube? How easy was it to freeze the bank accounts of the Truckers? They don't need to feed troops to defeat us - just shut down your bank account, take away your Rx's, restrict your freedom of movement because you don't have a 5th booster. You don't really think Ebay, Amazon, Google keep asking for your phone number for account access out of some kind of security concern, right? I'll wager it's ALL related.

They voted to shut Russia out of SWIFT early this morning. Russia said if they did this, they would unleash a response unlike any we have ever known. So, earlier this afternoon, I heard Russia activated their nuclear defense force. Now what?

BTW, Soros doesn't really care about Ukraine - only as far as they can provide further catalytic behavior to cause more chaos, from which he can create Order (globalist type order). Almost everyone is universally "for Ukraine" - look at fb - look at fox news - look at CNN - they are all promoting the same story: "poor Ukraine, standing against Russia all alone!"

Your mistake is thinking that Putin is not part of this globalist conspiracy. He is only pretending to be outraged, when this is all going along with his plan that many of his Western stooges are on board with. Yes, look at the authoritarian measures in Canada right now. Is Trudeau acting more like China, or the liberal utopia Soros and liberals say they want. "The New World Order" was supposed to refer to an order of democracy and freedom. What you are describing is an authoritarian Order with zero freedom. Who is really good at that? Putin and Xi, or Soros?

Trudeau looks pretty friendly here with Putin despite what he's saying...

[mudflap]

Your mistake is thinking that Putin is not part of this globalist conspiracy.

Maybe, maybe not - but Soros is clearly unhappy with Putin's moves:

[Sarah]

Your mistake is thinking that Putin is not part of this globalist conspiracy.

Maybe, maybe not - but Soros is clearly unhappy with Putin's moves:

You think he's trustworthy with this comment? Maybe. Like I said. He may just be a liberal. But the question is, was Soros planning an authoritarian order in competition with Putin and Xi's. Doesn't seem likely to me at all.

[Alexander]

Your mistake is thinking that Putin is not part of this globalist conspiracy.

Maybe, maybe not - but Soros is clearly unhappy with Putin's moves:

[Sarah]

Your mistake is thinking that Putin is not part of this globalist conspiracy.

Maybe, maybe not - but Soros is clearly unhappy with Putin's moves:

Of course they are against Russia, because everyone knows Klaus and Soros (with their secret army) were planning on forcing Russia and China into their One World government.

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Russell Brand talking some sense:

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one thing's for sure - if you are 100% behind Ukraine as "the victims" here, you swallowed the CIA propaganda hook, line, and sinker:

It is genuinely hard to overstate how overwhelming the unity and consensus in U.S. political and media circles is. It is as close to a unanimous and dissent-free discourse as anything in memory, certainly since the days following 9/11. Marco Rubio sounds exactly like Bernie Sanders, and Lindsay Graham has no even minimal divergence from Nancy Pelosi. Every word broadcast on CNN or printed in The New York Times about the conflict perfectly aligns with the CIA and Pentagon's messaging. And U.S. public opinion has consequently undergone a radical and rapid change; while recent polling had shown large majorities of Americans opposed to any major U.S. role in Ukraine, a new Gallup poll released on Friday found that “52% of Americans see the conflict between Russia and Ukraine as a critical threat to U.S. vital interests” with almost no partisan division (56% of Republicans and 61% of Democrats), while “85% of Americans now view [Russia] unfavorably while 15% have a positive opinion of it.”

~ https://www.zerohedge.com/political/gre ... tarian-and

[larsenb]

Russell Brand talking some sense:

Excellent presentation, imho. I generally like Russell Brand in recent years, despite his highly checkered past. People do change. He mirrors my current views of the whole Ukrainian scenario and what should be done.

[Sarah]

one thing's for sure - if you are 100% behind Ukraine as "the victims" here, you swallowed the CIA propaganda hook, line, and sinker:

It is genuinely hard to overstate how overwhelming the unity and consensus in U.S. political and media circles is. It is as close to a unanimous and dissent-free discourse as anything in memory, certainly since the days following 9/11. Marco Rubio sounds exactly like Bernie Sanders, and Lindsay Graham has no even minimal divergence from Nancy Pelosi. Every word broadcast on CNN or printed in The New York Times about the conflict perfectly aligns with the CIA and Pentagon's messaging. And U.S. public opinion has consequently undergone a radical and rapid change; while recent polling had shown large majorities of Americans opposed to any major U.S. role in Ukraine, a new Gallup poll released on Friday found that “52% of Americans see the conflict between Russia and Ukraine as a critical threat to U.S. vital interests” with almost no partisan division (56% of Republicans and 61% of Democrats), while “85% of Americans now view [Russia] unfavorably while 15% have a positive opinion of it.”

~ https://www.zerohedge.com/political/gre ... tarian-and

Oh so it's the CIA that has the secret army that's going to take over the world. Must mean the US military was planning on taking over the world. Too bad they're not in tip top shape. Are the globalists really that stupid to think the US military could take on Russia and China?

[BuriedTartaria]

So that story about a civilian dying from a Russian tank running over a car was a lie



The civilian survived and it wasn't a Russian tank that ran his car over


The west/NATO has been flirting with Eukraine for decades. Russia isn't going to allow NATO (which was formed as a counter-measure to the USSR's strength) to have a country officially or otherwise allied with their organization to exist at the border's of Russia anymore than the US would tolerate an enemy setting up a camp on their borders.

The media is convincing both conservatives and liberals that Russia has absolutely no justification in what they are doing AND not owning up to how geopolitics have poked and prodded a bear, getting us to this point. As that other user here has mentioned and illustrated in that video they shared about the West's role in how we got here.


This whole situation makes me sick. There's been a lot of discussion in this thread about how everyone is evil. I think that's true, but I'm not sure I think Russia/Putin are AS evil as the elite that control the direction Western society blows.

[mudflap]

one thing's for sure - if you are 100% behind Ukraine as "the victims" here, you swallowed the CIA propaganda hook, line, and sinker:

It is genuinely hard to overstate how overwhelming the unity and consensus in U.S. political and media circles is. It is as close to a unanimous and dissent-free discourse as anything in memory, certainly since the days following 9/11. Marco Rubio sounds exactly like Bernie Sanders, and Lindsay Graham has no even minimal divergence from Nancy Pelosi. Every word broadcast on CNN or printed in The New York Times about the conflict perfectly aligns with the CIA and Pentagon's messaging. And U.S. public opinion has consequently undergone a radical and rapid change; while recent polling had shown large majorities of Americans opposed to any major U.S. role in Ukraine, a new Gallup poll released on Friday found that “52% of Americans see the conflict between Russia and Ukraine as a critical threat to U.S. vital interests” with almost no partisan division (56% of Republicans and 61% of Democrats), while “85% of Americans now view [Russia] unfavorably while 15% have a positive opinion of it.”

~ https://www.zerohedge.com/political/gre ... tarian-and

Oh so it's the CIA that has the secret army that's going to take over the world. Must mean the US military was planning on taking over the world. Too bad they're not in tip top shape. Are the globalists really that stupid to think the US military could take on Russia and China?

Why are you stuck on the idea they need manpower? CIA has NEVER been about manpower - they topple leaders and create protests and Americans BEG the USA to go to war.

[Sarah]

one thing's for sure - if you are 100% behind Ukraine as "the victims" here, you swallowed the CIA propaganda hook, line, and sinker:

It is genuinely hard to overstate how overwhelming the unity and consensus in U.S. political and media circles is. It is as close to a unanimous and dissent-free discourse as anything in memory, certainly since the days following 9/11. Marco Rubio sounds exactly like Bernie Sanders, and Lindsay Graham has no even minimal divergence from Nancy Pelosi. Every word broadcast on CNN or printed in The New York Times about the conflict perfectly aligns with the CIA and Pentagon's messaging. And U.S. public opinion has consequently undergone a radical and rapid change; while recent polling had shown large majorities of Americans opposed to any major U.S. role in Ukraine, a new Gallup poll released on Friday found that “52% of Americans see the conflict between Russia and Ukraine as a critical threat to U.S. vital interests” with almost no partisan division (56% of Republicans and 61% of Democrats), while “85% of Americans now view [Russia] unfavorably while 15% have a positive opinion of it.”

~ https://www.zerohedge.com/political/gre ... tarian-and

Oh so it's the CIA that has the secret army that's going to take over the world. Must mean the US military was planning on taking over the world. Too bad they're not in tip top shape. Are the globalists really that stupid to think the US military could take on Russia and China?

Why are you stuck on the idea they need manpower? CIA has NEVER been about manpower - they topple leaders and create protests and Americans BEG the USA to go to war.

Right, but the countries they meddle with eventually fall more deeply into Russia's or China's influence, or simply into chaos. I don't see a NWO in any of the countries we've meddled with. So is that part of the plan, or should we believe the Russians that they've outsmarted the Americans every single time.

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MacGregor: U.S. Should "Stop Shipping Weapons And Stop Encouraging Ukrainians To Die In A Hopeless Endeavor"
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... eavor.html

Retired Col. Doug MacGregor said Sunday on FOX News about the Ukraine-Russia war:


TREY GOWDY: Why do you think Putin is doing this? What is his end game?

COL. DOUG MACGREGOR: Well, Vladimir Putin is carrying through on something that he has been warning us about at least for the last 15 years, which is he will not tolerate U.S. forces or missiles on his borders. Much as we would not tolerate Russian missiles or troops in Cuba.

And we ignored him and he finally acted. He was not going to allow Ukraine, under any circumstances, to join NATO.

What is happening now is the battle in Eastern Ukraine is really almost over, all the Ukrainian troops there have been largely surrounded and cut off, you have a concentration down in the Southeast of 30 to 40,000 of them, and if they don't surrender in next 24 hours, I suspect the Russians will ultimately annihilate them.

That's why Zelensy is meeting with Putin's representatives right now. The game is over. And he's going to have to negotiate the best deal he can get. And we've already told him, the president of the United .states has, said that if he opts for neutrality for Ukraine, we will back him. And I think Vladimir Putin will do that for Western Ukraine.

That is Ukraine beyond the Dnieper River, but behind it in the East, where he is now, I'm not sure what he has planned there, whether he forms another republic [or] annexes it into Russia. Because historically it has been Russia, but the territory in the west of Ukraine is not. He knows that, and he is happy to live with that as a neutral state.

TREY GOWDY: I am not a military expert. I'm not even an expert on geography, but if he takes Ukraine [which is next to] Poland, he has a NATO country on his border. If that's what he doesn't want, then isn't he just going to have to keep going until he runs out of NATO countries?

DOUG MACGREGOR: I guess should say it again, he has no interest in crossing the Dnieper and heding west of the Polish border. I think you'll find in these negotiations that he is quite willing to neutralize that territory on the Austrian or the Finnish model. Right now, Russia already touches Estonia and part of Latvia. White Russia [Belarus] touches Lithuania. He's not interested in going to war with us and his army is too small for that purpose and he knows it. His economy is smaller than that of South Korea. So this is not something he is looking for.

We're imputing to him things he does not want to do in our usual effort to demonize him and his country.

We need to remember that Ukraine is fourth from the bottom of 158 countries in the world, at corruption. Russia is perhaps 3 or 4 places above them. This is not the liberal democracy, the shining example, that everyone says it is, far from it.

Mr. Zelensky has jailed journalists and his political opposition.

I think we need to stay out of it. The American people think we should stay out of it, the Europeans think we should stay out of it, and we should stop shipping weapons and encouraging Ukrainians to die in what is a hopeless endeavor.

TREY GOWDY: You say no sanctions or military aid, just let Russia take that portion of Ukraine that they want to take?

DOUG MACGREGOR: Yes. Absolutely.

I see no reason why we should fight with the Russians over something that they have been talking about for years, we simply chose to ignore it. And more importantly, the population there is indistinguishable from their own.

You know, the thing that is so disturbing, on one hand, we will not send our forces to fight. But we're urging Ukrainians to die pointlessly in a fight they can't win. We're going to create a far worse humanitarian disaster than anything you've seen so far if this does not stop.

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The Land Where History Died
By David Stockman
https://original.antiwar.com/David_Stoc ... tory-died/

[InfoWarrior82]

Your mistake is thinking that Putin is not part of this globalist conspiracy.

Maybe, maybe not - but Soros is clearly unhappy with Putin's moves:

Of course they are against Russia, because everyone knows Klaus and Soros (with their secret army) were planning on forcing Russia and China into their One World government.

And Putin is not allowing that. Doesn't seem like that's something Putin would do if he were part of the Soros/W.E.F. crowd.

[Sarah]

Maybe, maybe not - but Soros is clearly unhappy with Putin's moves:

Of course they are against Russia, because everyone knows Klaus and Soros (with their secret army) were planning on forcing Russia and China into their One World government.

And Putin is not allowing that. Doesn't seem like that's something Putin would do if he were part of the Soros/W.E.F. crowd.

The entire WEF, NWO narrative is a false narrative made up by the Kremlin. And Klaus is helping that narrative along with his great reset propaganda. The liberal ideologues who want some of the WEF proposals are just that - ideologues who aren't conspiring to raise up a western army to enforce an authoritarian system that forces equality and climate change controls. Maybe some of them are closet communists and want that authoritarianism. But they never planned to force this on Russia and China, especially when both countries have feigned support for WEF goals. But the NWO narrative that is pumped out by the Alex Jones types, and those aligned with Russian media, is a made-up narrative of some secret cabal that's planning on making the entire world a police state with Western force, and that we have to somehow force Russia and China to bow down to the wishes of the West. It's a false narrative. The West does not have the power to force everyone into this so-called system. When traitorous leaders attempt force like in Canada, the police and army will only be able to go so far in enforcing stuff like Marshall law for example. Eventually the Western nations and their police will collapse (every nation will collapse economically) But you will have the Russian and Chinese armies and police able to survive longer on all the food these countries are storing for their forces. Everywhere else will be chaos and those Eastern countries will be able to invade whomever they want to invade.

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[Sarah]

Thank you Putin....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJHeltDiUfs&t=29s

[buffalo_girl]

[InfoWarrior82]

Of course they are against Russia, because everyone knows Klaus and Soros (with their secret army) were planning on forcing Russia and China into their One World government.

And Putin is not allowing that. Doesn't seem like that's something Putin would do if he were part of the Soros/W.E.F. crowd.

The entire WEF, NWO narrative is a false narrative made up by the Kremlin. And Klaus is helping that narrative along with his great reset propaganda. The liberal ideologues who want some of the WEF proposals are just that - ideologues who aren't conspiring to raise up a western army to enforce an authoritarian system that forces equality and climate change controls. Maybe some of them are closet communists and want that authoritarianism. But they never planned to force this on Russia and China, especially when both countries have feigned support for WEF goals. But the NWO narrative that is pumped out by the Alex Jones types, and those aligned with Russian media, is a made-up narrative of some secret cabal that's planning on making the entire world a police state with Western force, and that we have to somehow force Russia and China to bow down to the wishes of the West. It's a false narrative. The West does not have the power to force everyone into this so-called system. When traitorous leaders attempt force like in Canada, the police and army will only be able to go so far in enforcing stuff like Marshall law for example. Eventually the Western nations and their police will collapse (every nation will collapse economically) But you will have the Russian and Chinese armies and police able to survive longer on all the food these countries are storing for their forces. Everywhere else will be chaos and those Eastern countries will be able to invade whomever they want to invade.

So your conspiracy theory is that Klaus Schwab/George Soros are secretly sabotaging the "Western Elite" so that their preferred side (Russia/China) can take over the world?

[larsenb]

And what was the result of the Vietnam war and its aftermath? Let's see: 1) China attacked Vietnam in a 5 month war after they stepped into Cambodia to try to reign in Pol Pot (they left Cambodia 10 years later, ~1989; so much for the "Domino Effect"); 2) Columbia Sports wear set up a major manufacturing presence there; 3) 7-10 years ago, they hosted the Miss Universe contest; and finally, 4) Hillary visited them trying to enlist their aid in the 'War on terrah". They declined.

I'm sure there are more similar high points, though . . . . .

[Sarah]

Of course they are against Russia, because everyone knows Klaus and Soros (with their secret army) were planning on forcing Russia and China into their One World government.

And Putin is not allowing that. Doesn't seem like that's something Putin would do if he were part of the Soros/W.E.F. crowd.

The entire WEF, NWO narrative is a false narrative made up by the Kremlin. And Klaus is helping that narrative along with his great reset propaganda. The liberal ideologues who want some of the WEF proposals are just that - ideologues who aren't conspiring to raise up a western army to enforce an authoritarian system that forces equality and climate change controls. Maybe some of them are closet communists and want that authoritarianism. But they never planned to force this on Russia and China, especially when both countries have feigned support for WEF goals. But the NWO narrative that is pumped out by the Alex Jones types, and those aligned with Russian media, is a made-up narrative of some secret cabal that's planning on making the entire world a police state with Western force, and that we have to somehow force Russia and China to bow down to the wishes of the West. It's a false narrative. The West does not have the power to force everyone into this so-called system. When traitorous leaders attempt force like in Canada, the police and army will only be able to go so far in enforcing stuff like Marshall law for example. Eventually the Western nations and their police will collapse (every nation will collapse economically) But you will have the Russian and Chinese armies and police able to survive longer on all the food these countries are storing for their forces. Everywhere else will be chaos and those Eastern countries will be able to invade whomever they want to invade.

So your conspiracy theory is that Klaus Schwab/George Soros are secretly sabotaging the "Western Elite" so that their preferred side (Russia/China) can take over the world?

Not necessarily. They could simply be ideologs that want the world to be more liberal. That's their thing. They may have no idea the extent of Russia/China ambition. But they could also be false as well, and understand who is going to come out on top, and have made some deals with Putin to be his controlled opposition. But there's no proof that Klaus and Soros have a plan to conquer the world through force.

[InfoWarrior82]

there's no proof that Klaus and Soros have a plan to conquer the world through force.