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Washington's Crocodile Tears Over Ukraine's Destruction
http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/fe ... struction/
As of this writing, Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky is hunkered down in his bunker somewhere in Kiev, as the sound of the encroaching war gets closer and closer. A grim scene, to be sure.

All the US and EU kisses and roses leading up to this end have turned to dust and barbed wire, as a no-doubt deeply bitter Zelensky has nothing left but to cry out in anger:
ASB News / MILITARY〽️
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Zelensky earlier: "Who is ready to fight with us? I do not see anyone. Who is ready to give Ukraine a guarantee of NATO membership? Everyone is afraid."
The chips are down, as much of the US-equipped and backed Ukrainian military appears to have turned and ran as Russian forces approached. That is not to say that there has not been death and destruction on both sides. The battle for Kherson was brutal, with plenty of Russian losses. But nevertheless, as of this writing, it has fallen to Russian control.

Kiev in the main may well fall within the next 12-24 hours. Russian troops are already in the city. And Zelensky is in his bunker with fewer and fewer to take his calls. The cavalry he believed was promised him will not be coming to rescue him. Ukraine will be de-militarized and Ukraine will be neutral. Once held up as a great ally of Washington and Brussels, Zelensky is alone.

It brings to mind that great quote I often recycle from RPI academic advisor John Laughland, written as the early US-backed color revolutions rampaged through the former Soviet world in the early 2000s:
It is better to be an enemy of the Americans than their friend. If you are their enemy, they might try to buy you; but if you are their friend they will definitely sell you.
Zelensky has now learned the bitter truth, which previously favored foreign leaders also learned. Most of their lessons have been even harder than Zelensky's (at least to this point).

The bitter truth is that Washington's foreign policy establishment never actually considered Zelensky - or his predecessor Poroshenko - to be allies or partners of the United States. Overflowing with a toxic mix of ignorance, arrogance, and extreme cynicism, Washington's elites have always viewed Ukraine as a tool to "regime-change" a Russia that, after its post-Yeltsin recovery, would no longer take its direction from them.

The false gods of American exceptionalism are jealous ones indeed.

The American foreign policy establishment wanted a perpetual "Yanks to the Rescue" Russia, whereby US "consultants" and spooks would ensure that the most obsequious candidate would continue to win and rule. A string of Russian presidents who would, à la Shevardnadze and a whole string of other post-Soviet leaders, run the country like a family business: lots of biznis deals for family members...and maybe 10 percent for the "big guy."

Americans are victims (willing or not) of a mass media system as propagandistic as any that existed during Soviet Communism. The "party line" is established and it is unwaveringly followed whether the favored flavor is Fox or MSNBC. When it became obvious that Yeltsin's one-time understudy, Vladimir Putin, wasn't going to play that way, the party line came down that he must be demonized.

Not carefully studied and where appropriate opposed (on the basis of actual US interests), but rather Putin had to be demonized and, ultimately, "regime-changed."

Discourse in the US is so infantile that just writing this objective truth will no doubt land this author in the "Putin's puppet" purgatory. Not for the first time.

Most Americans will not have heard - and those who have likely do not care - that twice when the Ukrainian people elected a president who was in favor of maintaining good relations with its Russian neighbor the US intervened and overthrew the government. First time in the 2004-5 "Orange Revolution" and then the fateful 2014 "Maidan" revolt, which was explicitly and overtly supported by senior US government officials on the ground in Kiev including Victoria "F**k the EU" Nuland and the late neocon warmonger Sen. John McCain.

In the meantime tens of millions of dollars flow from the US taxpayer to favored think tanks, civic organizations, and media outlets via the National Endowment for Democracy (sic) and numerous US-funded related organizations. The goal is the same: manipulate Ukraine so that it remains on Washington's preferred path (toward conflict with Russia).

It is fashionable - particularly over the past two days - for even antiwar and "restraint"-promoting scribblers and jaw-boners to fall into tune with the warmongers' songbook of "Russian aggression" as the sole cause of recent bloodshed and destruction.

While anyone with an ounce of decency deeply regrets and opposes the use of such massive military force as we have seen recently in Ukraine, if there is one lesson to be learned from this entire miserable chapter (and by "chapter" I mean the entirety of post-Cold War US foreign policy) it is this: There are consequences that come with the belief that the key to peace and prosperity is to remake the world in your own image through the use of overt and covert, violent and non-violent means. That lesson should have been learned with the fall of Soviet communism itself, but the "victors" were too full of hubris to pause for a moment of humility.

Wishing reality was one thing and accepting that it is another are two very different things. The distinction must be made or the mass mental illness of "American exceptionalism" can never be cured. Otherwise the consequences next time the tectonic plates shift may be far closer to home.

Whether America and the EU like it or not, the era of ''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality" is well and truly over. Its end is not to be mourned but to be celebrated. The only pro-America foreign policy is non-intervention in the affairs of others.

Ukrainian President Zelensky is unlikely to survive his turn being America's cat's paw to wrong-foot Russia. While he sits in his bunker contemplating his fate, he may well be visited by the ghosts of Saddam and Gaddafi and all those who preceded him in this position. God help him.



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nobody is reading the links I shared. All of my assertions have documentation, if anyone wants to dig in and look. I think I'm done with this thread for now. Have a blessed day!

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ajax wrote: February 26th, 2022, 6:34 pm Washington's Crocodile Tears Over Ukraine's Destruction
http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/fe ... struction/
As of this writing, Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky is hunkered down in his bunker somewhere in Kiev, as the sound of the encroaching war gets closer and closer. A grim scene, to be sure.

All the US and EU kisses and roses leading up to this end have turned to dust and barbed wire, as a no-doubt deeply bitter Zelensky has nothing left but to cry out in anger:
ASB News / MILITARY〽️
@ASBMilitary
Zelensky earlier: "Who is ready to fight with us? I do not see anyone. Who is ready to give Ukraine a guarantee of NATO membership? Everyone is afraid."
The chips are down, as much of the US-equipped and backed Ukrainian military appears to have turned and ran as Russian forces approached. That is not to say that there has not been death and destruction on both sides. The battle for Kherson was brutal, with plenty of Russian losses. But nevertheless, as of this writing, it has fallen to Russian control.

Kiev in the main may well fall within the next 12-24 hours. Russian troops are already in the city. And Zelensky is in his bunker with fewer and fewer to take his calls. The cavalry he believed was promised him will not be coming to rescue him. Ukraine will be de-militarized and Ukraine will be neutral. Once held up as a great ally of Washington and Brussels, Zelensky is alone.

It brings to mind that great quote I often recycle from RPI academic advisor John Laughland, written as the early US-backed color revolutions rampaged through the former Soviet world in the early 2000s:
It is better to be an enemy of the Americans than their friend. If you are their enemy, they might try to buy you; but if you are their friend they will definitely sell you.
Zelensky has now learned the bitter truth, which previously favored foreign leaders also learned. Most of their lessons have been even harder than Zelensky's (at least to this point).

The bitter truth is that Washington's foreign policy establishment never actually considered Zelensky - or his predecessor Poroshenko - to be allies or partners of the United States. Overflowing with a toxic mix of ignorance, arrogance, and extreme cynicism, Washington's elites have always viewed Ukraine as a tool to "regime-change" a Russia that, after its post-Yeltsin recovery, would no longer take its direction from them.

The false gods of American exceptionalism are jealous ones indeed.

The American foreign policy establishment wanted a perpetual "Yanks to the Rescue" Russia, whereby US "consultants" and spooks would ensure that the most obsequious candidate would continue to win and rule. A string of Russian presidents who would, à la Shevardnadze and a whole string of other post-Soviet leaders, run the country like a family business: lots of biznis deals for family members...and maybe 10 percent for the "big guy."

Americans are victims (willing or not) of a mass media system as propagandistic as any that existed during Soviet Communism. The "party line" is established and it is unwaveringly followed whether the favored flavor is Fox or MSNBC. When it became obvious that Yeltsin's one-time understudy, Vladimir Putin, wasn't going to play that way, the party line came down that he must be demonized.

Not carefully studied and where appropriate opposed (on the basis of actual US interests), but rather Putin had to be demonized and, ultimately, "regime-changed."

Discourse in the US is so infantile that just writing this objective truth will no doubt land this author in the "Putin's puppet" purgatory. Not for the first time.

Most Americans will not have heard - and those who have likely do not care - that twice when the Ukrainian people elected a president who was in favor of maintaining good relations with its Russian neighbor the US intervened and overthrew the government. First time in the 2004-5 "Orange Revolution" and then the fateful 2014 "Maidan" revolt, which was explicitly and overtly supported by senior US government officials on the ground in Kiev including Victoria "F**k the EU" Nuland and the late neocon warmonger Sen. John McCain.

In the meantime tens of millions of dollars flow from the US taxpayer to favored think tanks, civic organizations, and media outlets via the National Endowment for Democracy (sic) and numerous US-funded related organizations. The goal is the same: manipulate Ukraine so that it remains on Washington's preferred path (toward conflict with Russia).

It is fashionable - particularly over the past two days - for even antiwar and "restraint"-promoting scribblers and jaw-boners to fall into tune with the warmongers' songbook of "Russian aggression" as the sole cause of recent bloodshed and destruction.

While anyone with an ounce of decency deeply regrets and opposes the use of such massive military force as we have seen recently in Ukraine, if there is one lesson to be learned from this entire miserable chapter (and by "chapter" I mean the entirety of post-Cold War US foreign policy) it is this: There are consequences that come with the belief that the key to peace and prosperity is to remake the world in your own image through the use of overt and covert, violent and non-violent means. That lesson should have been learned with the fall of Soviet communism itself, but the "victors" were too full of hubris to pause for a moment of humility.

Wishing reality was one thing and accepting that it is another are two very different things. The distinction must be made or the mass mental illness of "American exceptionalism" can never be cured. Otherwise the consequences next time the tectonic plates shift may be far closer to home.

Whether America and the EU like it or not, the era of ''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality" is well and truly over. Its end is not to be mourned but to be celebrated. The only pro-America foreign policy is non-intervention in the affairs of others.

Ukrainian President Zelensky is unlikely to survive his turn being America's cat's paw to wrong-foot Russia. While he sits in his bunker contemplating his fate, he may well be visited by the ghosts of Saddam and Gaddafi and all those who preceded him in this position. God help him.



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Utah's Govenor Cox orders Russian Vodka removed from state contolled liquor stores.

Russia has got to see the writing on the wall now.
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mudflap wrote: February 26th, 2022, 6:59 pm nobody is reading the links I shared. All of my assertions have documentation, if anyone wants to dig in and look. I think I'm done with this thread for now. Have a blessed day!
Was meaning to but weekends aren't good for me. Still planning on it.

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Ukraine: The Propaganda Wars
http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/fe ... anda-wars/
The media and the war machine (or do I repeat myself?) want us to take sides in the Russo/Ukraine war. To those of us with long histories in military conflicts in which the US foreign policy establishment, media, and military have an interest, the terms are always framed as white hats and black hats - and you had better choose a side!

"Are you on the side of FREEDOM or are you a puppet of [insert Hitler proxy here]?"

You must take a side. (In fact you must choose the side the Beltway blob wants you to choose).

The US government never fights in the self-interest of the elites. It only fights (directly and by proxy) for the freedom and liberation of others. If you doubt that you are un-American. History started when they tell you it started. Never mind about the past or how US intervention created the circumstances that led to whatever horrible outcome we witness.

The Iraqis would greet us as liberators, we were told. They will love our bombs. Likewise the Libyans once their leader is knife-raped to death. And then of course the Syrians once our al-Qaeda "moderate" head-choppers are put in charge. The rest of the world is so so grateful that the omniscient Washington foreign policy elites can choose their fate for them. Surely they are too foolish to decide for themselves!

Ironically, as the US government and its obedient media were hysterically telling us we must demand Russian blood for their attack on a Ukraine that had not attacked them first, the US government that same day bombed a Somalia that had not attacked it first. And let's not even talk about the horrific Saudi genocide (with full US support) in Yemen.

With one voice the US media, political elites, and brainwashed sheeple scream out: "You can't just go and attack a country that hasn't attacked you!!!" And the people of Iraq, Syria, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, and yes even Afghanistan scratch their heads in wonder at the ignorance, hypocrisy, and cynicism.

Like an alcoholic may occasionally get a moment of clarity, a politician may sometimes get a moment of honesty. California US Congressman and lead "Russiagate" conspiracy theorist Adam Schiff, spilled the beans in a 2020 speech:
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US chauvinism & warmongering is so ingrained that @AdamSchiff can openly declare, in Jan 2020, that US uses Ukraine to “fight Russia over there,” and our elites applaud. Fast forward two years later when Russia fights back, and the same circle is outraged.
The US uses Ukraine to fight Russia, but then when Russia fights back we have to pour all our vodka into the street and launch WWIII.

The US military-industrial-media-Congressional complex that is behind this disastrous policy knows well, however, that war brings bigger dividends:
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Biden’s anti-war coalition of Raytheon, Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman sends $350 million in love weapons for NATO’s nonviolent war against Russia and the Azov battalion’s pacifist-style shelling of the Donbas.
https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2022 ... or/362488/

This is not a WHATABOUT column, however. It's just to point out how manipulated Americans are by the unholy partnership between government, Washington parasitical elites, and the media.

Perhaps the only thing worse are the third-tier flunkies who do their bidding in international organizations.

Yesterday NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg announced that NATO countries were going to send more weapons to Ukraine. Brilliant! Bureaucrats, especially stupid ones, always double down then their policies are shown to be failures.

As one report quoted the failed Swedish politico/NATO chief:
'We see rhetoric, the messages, which is strongly indicating that the aim is to remove the democratically-elected government in Kiev,' he announced after a meeting with NATO leaders.
What? NATO must send weapons to Ukraine because Russia is attempting to remove its democratically-elected government? How dare they! Don't they know that's OUR job?

Here's the side we should be on in Ukraine and everywhere else: non-intervention in the affairs of others. Today's Ukraine nightmare is the product of a US foreign policy that overthrew not one, but two elected Ukrainian governments because the people chose a president that Washington's pampered elites didn't like.

As I wrote in an article yesterday, one thing we can take with us from Russia actually doing what it long said it would do if Ukraine was armed by hostile governments and pulled toward NATO membership is that:
Whether America and the EU like it or not, the era of 'We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality' is well and truly over. Its end is not to be mourned but to be celebrated. The only pro-America foreign policy is non-intervention in the affairs of others.
Yes, this is a good thing and it should be celebrated. Don't worry - it's not un-patriotic to applaud an authentically pro-America foreign policy! Now is the time to demand a change in how things are done. It does not weaken the US to decide to not meddle in the affairs of others. On the contrary, we are strengthened by shrugging off the burden of (very badly) running the rest of the globe.

Unless anyone believes we are stronger by burning one trillion dollars for the US military empire each and every year.

Let's ask the truckers and the waiters and the welders of America how they like billions of their hard-earned dollars laundered to the ultra-rich Beltway elites through corrupt regimes abroad. Foreign aid is falsely perceived as a plate of rice and beans to a motherless child in a war-torn hellhole. The reality is that foreign aid is that which re-models all the bathrooms in million dollars mansions in McLean VA and its evil environs.

Gold plated Beltway toilets. The ignoble flotsam of the corrupt US empire.



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That may be from the Ron Paul Institute, but have you seen Rand's tweets in support of Ukraine? I'm guessing Pop won't have him over for Sunday dinner......

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mudflap wrote: February 26th, 2022, 6:59 pm nobody is reading the links I shared. All of my assertions have documentation, if anyone wants to dig in and look. I think I'm done with this thread for now. Have a blessed day!
Nothing personal, but honestly I get tired of links and massive copy and paste responses. We all have Google and we all can watch a variety of news sources. I don't come here for that stuff. I actually enjoy hearing differing OPINIONS from real people and engaging in dialogue. I don't need endless sources and links for that.

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blitzinstripes wrote: February 26th, 2022, 8:05 pm That may be from the Ron Paul Institute, but have you seen Rand's tweets in support of Ukraine? I'm guessing Pop won't have him over for Sunday dinner......
Why wouldn’t pop have him over for dinner? Are you suggesting Ron is supporting russia? Nobody is against Ukraine. What we are against US meddling which makes these outcomes more likely based on reality. Astute observers have been warning for years this likely scenario based on prior US interventionism. It leads to chaos and unnecessary preventable reactions.

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Sarah wrote: February 26th, 2022, 12:41 am Who is going to enforce this world government, and how are they going to be supplied when all the food is gone?
Who said all the food would be gone? You don't have to completely shut it down to create havoc, just some of it. It really depends who they're trying to get rid of. If the global population is reduced to, say, under 1 billion people, how much agriculture do you need? Makes enforcement much easier too.

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gruden2.0 wrote: February 26th, 2022, 9:54 pm
Sarah wrote: February 26th, 2022, 12:41 am Who is going to enforce this world government, and how are they going to be supplied when all the food is gone?
Who said all the food would be gone? You don't have to completely shut it down to create havoc, just some of it. It really depends who they're trying to get rid of. If the global population is reduced to, say, under 1 billion people, how much agriculture do you need? Makes enforcement much easier too.

I was just summing up the message from the video you posted (I think it was you). I didn't listen to the entire video, but it was about food supply.
What I'm trying to understand is what exactly the "NWO neocons globalist cabal" plan is. How are they going to enforce it? Who is going to feed the enforcers? All I'm getting are the same talking points, that the US has been imperialistic therefore they will continue with their plan to institute a new world order along with Klaus and friends and Russia and China are standing up to it. But do you really think the US and European armies we're ever planning on enforcing this system? If they were they simply don't act like it. Our military and arsenal strength has weakened, and we haven't stored food like the Russians and Chinese, nor made ourselves energy independent. The narrative falls apart because its origin is the Kremlin, and they've been subverting Western governments for the last 100 years, bringing about the rise and fall of the West, with their puppets, propaganda, and subversive operations.

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mudflap wrote: February 26th, 2022, 7:19 am
Sarah wrote: February 25th, 2022, 8:56 pm
You say his major donor is Kolomoyskyi, and he is a CIA puppet. I'd like to see your evidence for that.
So you can't trust any of these guys who say they are pro-Ukrainian independence, anti-corruption. They are all corrupt, and they all have ties to Russia one way or the other. And many Ukrainians recognize that the corruption stems from being compromised by Putin's influence.
it's in the deep dive article I posted (with links): https://thesaker.is/here-is-the-dirt-tr ... the-press/

but also here:

https://themillenniumreport.com/2019/09 ... v-ukraine/
is it Zlochevsky or Kolomoysky? — because Zlochevsky was associated with the prior Government of Ukraine and its President Viktor Yanukovych, whom the U.S. Government had overthrown in an operation that started in 2011 and that ended very successfully in February 2014 with the American Government’s Victoria Nuland on 27 January 2014 telling the U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine to get “Yats” Yatsenyuk appointed to run the country as soon as Yanukovych becomes successfully overthrown — which happened less than a month later, during February 20-22 — and Yatsenyuk then received the appointment on February 26th to run the country, just as Obama’s agent Nuland had instructed. Zlochevsky fled the country, because he had been politically allied with Yanukovych, who also fled the country. Obama’s Government constantly tried to get Zlochevsky prosecuted for alleged corruption, but Zlochevsky had sold the company to Kolomoysky even before Obama took over Ukraine. It’s not at all clear that Hunter Biden had ever so much as just met Zlochevsky.

Joseph Biden, as is well reported in the press, instructed the new Ukrainian Government to fire and replace the General Prosecutor of Ukraine, Viktor Shokin, who had failed to prosecute Zlochevsky, and this action by Joe is reported as indicating that the senior Biden granted his son’s employer no favor but instead the opposite — that Joe insisted upon Hunter’s boss’s prosecution.

For example, James Risen, of The Intercept, which is owned by one of the financial backers of the overthrow of Yanukovych, Pierre Omidyar (see this and this and this and this and this and this), headlined on September 25th, “I Wrote About the Bidens and Ukraine Years Ago. Then the Right-Wing Spin Machine Turned the Story Upside Down.”, and Risen reported that:

The then-vice president issued his demands for greater anti-corruption measures by the Ukrainian government despite the possibility that those demands would actually increase – not lessen — the chances that Hunter Biden and Burisma would face legal trouble in Ukraine.

Risen reported there that V.P. Biden’s “anti-corruption message might be undermined by the association of his son Hunter with one of Ukraine’s largest natural gas companies, Burisma Holdings, and with its owner, Mykola Zlochevsky.”

However, none of that press says Kolomoysky owned the company and was its boss. The presumption there is always that Zlochevsky needed to be prosecuted — not that Kolomoysky did. Kolomoysky is simply being written out of the picture altogether — whited-out from it
They show this image - notice Kolomoysky- the owner of Burisma - is conspicuously absent from the US media reporting:
Image

Remember, it was the CIA whistleblower who wanted Trump impeached for sniffing too close to Burisma. And I guess they were successful - Trump is out, Biden is in, and Ukraine and it's CIA installed president is getting it's butt kicked by the Russians.
Just bumping this up so I can comment on it tomorrow. There's so many threads now, I'm losing track of things.

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There is one thing that has been missed in this equation... cyberwarfare. The Kremlin website was hacked, Russian radio stations have reportedly started playing Ukrainian music and parts of the Russian internet were taken down. It takes skilled people to do that and it could be a foreshadowing of a later global event as prophesied by Schwab etc.
blitzinstripes wrote: February 26th, 2022, 8:08 pm
mudflap wrote: February 26th, 2022, 6:59 pm nobody is reading the links I shared. All of my assertions have documentation, if anyone wants to dig in and look. I think I'm done with this thread for now. Have a blessed day!
Nothing personal, but honestly I get tired of links and massive copy and paste responses. We all have Google and we all can watch a variety of news sources. I don't come here for that stuff. I actually enjoy hearing differing OPINIONS from real people and engaging in dialogue. I don't need endless sources and links for that.
The phrases "a variety of news sources" and "we all have Google" don't go together. You can get almost nothing off Google nowadays. Look at YouTube - since Google bought it, it has undergone steady decline and censorship.

Google will mostly direct you to "trusted news sources" which all use the same press agencies and sing the same tune. Have you learnt nothing from this Covid situation?

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Sarah wrote: February 26th, 2022, 5:12 pm
ajax wrote: February 26th, 2022, 4:34 pm Why does any empire do what it does? Towards the end of its life, the rationality turns into absurdity. While the barbarians chip away at the edges.

Why do we have bases around the world?
Why did we overthrow Mossadegh in 1953 and install the Shah?
Why did we depose Arbenz in 1954?
Why the gulf of Tonkin?
Why lie about Iraq?
Why did we arm Al-Queda?
Why did we support the 2014 Ukrainian coup?
Why was Operation Northwoods approved by the Joint Chiefs? (but thank god not Kennedy)
Why expand NATO?
Then why expand it again?
The why try to expand it a third time knowing the regional power has warned you against it?
Once you reject a republic, and enter the on the path of empire, you create structures and incentives that are impossible to remove. They must violently extinguish themselves.
Why did we do any of this?: (undeclared btw)

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Why did we do all of this? That's what I'm asking you? What was the purpose? Was it really just so Dick Cheney could earn some money as NeveR suggested?
The important thing to ask yourself is, out of all those countries, who do we control right now? Did any of those countries become our puppets or allies? Most of them on that list have greater ties to Russia and China than they do to us? Hmm, maybe we were actually helping the Communists all this time?

Just watched this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktr3GkEBV30
They say the Economist magazine is owned by the Rothschild family. Some of these connections make it seem like they are all working together.
In the end most of what they do is chasing the sheep into the ultimate global solution. The international. Create global problems that require global solutions. Always. Why drop 2 atomic bombs on the 2 Christian centres in Japan? More fear = more globalism.

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In case some of you are interested to read scientific literature, I found this doctoral dissertation by Irina Grigor. She was born in Soviet Union (in Kirgistan), her mother was Ukrainian, but at home they spoke Russian. She studied in England, and did her doctoral studies in Finland (University of Helsinki).

The dissertation is about how the narrative in Russian media is builded. Especially, how the Nazi narrative about Ukraine was slowly created.

Weaponized News : Russian Television, Strategic Narratives and Conflict Reporting

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Sarah wrote: February 26th, 2022, 10:29 pm I didn't listen to the entire video...
If you don't listen to entire presentations, how do you expect to find any answers? Are you really after answers, or just like disagreeing with people? Or afraid of upsetting whatever belief system you hold?

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Sarah wrote: February 26th, 2022, 2:24 pm
ajax wrote: February 26th, 2022, 12:37 pm Silly. Yeah, a different take MUST mean he will be happy to see Ukraine get wrecked. He’s simply stating reality based on realpolitik. The west has thrown Ukraine under the bus and used them as a sacrificial lamb. The US could care less about Ukrainians. And why would they? They don’t even care about Americans and see half us as racist terrorists. The US has been lying and meddling for decades, while self righteously posturing.
Please explain why sacrificing Ukraine helps them. I genuinely want to understand the western globalist plan to dominate the world.

I watched an interview on USAwatchdog yesterday of this Russian Canadian guy named Estulin. He had a lot of very interesting perspectives. I replayed some of it four times because I wanted to really understand it. This was the most interesting thing I've seen in a long time.

https://usawatchdog.com/serious-global- ... l-estulin/

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gruden2.0 wrote: February 27th, 2022, 1:36 pm
Sarah wrote: February 26th, 2022, 10:29 pm I didn't listen to the entire video...
If you don't listen to entire presentations, how do you expect to find any answers? Are you really after answers, or just like disagreeing with people? Or afraid of upsetting whatever belief system you hold?
Again, personal attack. Can you please just answer my questions? Is is that hard?

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Sarah wrote: February 26th, 2022, 10:59 pm
mudflap wrote: February 26th, 2022, 7:19 am
Sarah wrote: February 25th, 2022, 8:56 pm
You say his major donor is Kolomoyskyi, and he is a CIA puppet. I'd like to see your evidence for that.
So you can't trust any of these guys who say they are pro-Ukrainian independence, anti-corruption. They are all corrupt, and they all have ties to Russia one way or the other. And many Ukrainians recognize that the corruption stems from being compromised by Putin's influence.
it's in the deep dive article I posted (with links): https://thesaker.is/here-is-the-dirt-tr ... the-press/

but also here:

https://themillenniumreport.com/2019/09 ... v-ukraine/
is it Zlochevsky or Kolomoysky? — because Zlochevsky was associated with the prior Government of Ukraine and its President Viktor Yanukovych, whom the U.S. Government had overthrown in an operation that started in 2011 and that ended very successfully in February 2014 with the American Government’s Victoria Nuland on 27 January 2014 telling the U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine to get “Yats” Yatsenyuk appointed to run the country as soon as Yanukovych becomes successfully overthrown — which happened less than a month later, during February 20-22 — and Yatsenyuk then received the appointment on February 26th to run the country, just as Obama’s agent Nuland had instructed. Zlochevsky fled the country, because he had been politically allied with Yanukovych, who also fled the country. Obama’s Government constantly tried to get Zlochevsky prosecuted for alleged corruption, but Zlochevsky had sold the company to Kolomoysky even before Obama took over Ukraine. It’s not at all clear that Hunter Biden had ever so much as just met Zlochevsky.

Joseph Biden, as is well reported in the press, instructed the new Ukrainian Government to fire and replace the General Prosecutor of Ukraine, Viktor Shokin, who had failed to prosecute Zlochevsky, and this action by Joe is reported as indicating that the senior Biden granted his son’s employer no favor but instead the opposite — that Joe insisted upon Hunter’s boss’s prosecution.

For example, James Risen, of The Intercept, which is owned by one of the financial backers of the overthrow of Yanukovych, Pierre Omidyar (see this and this and this and this and this and this), headlined on September 25th, “I Wrote About the Bidens and Ukraine Years Ago. Then the Right-Wing Spin Machine Turned the Story Upside Down.”, and Risen reported that:

The then-vice president issued his demands for greater anti-corruption measures by the Ukrainian government despite the possibility that those demands would actually increase – not lessen — the chances that Hunter Biden and Burisma would face legal trouble in Ukraine.

Risen reported there that V.P. Biden’s “anti-corruption message might be undermined by the association of his son Hunter with one of Ukraine’s largest natural gas companies, Burisma Holdings, and with its owner, Mykola Zlochevsky.”

However, none of that press says Kolomoysky owned the company and was its boss. The presumption there is always that Zlochevsky needed to be prosecuted — not that Kolomoysky did. Kolomoysky is simply being written out of the picture altogether — whited-out from it
They show this image - notice Kolomoysky- the owner of Burisma - is conspicuously absent from the US media reporting:
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Remember, it was the CIA whistleblower who wanted Trump impeached for sniffing too close to Burisma. And I guess they were successful - Trump is out, Biden is in, and Ukraine and it's CIA installed president is getting it's butt kicked by the Russians.
Just bumping this up so I can comment on it tomorrow. There's so many threads now, I'm losing track of things.
Just finished reading the first article you posted. My original assertion was that the owner of Burisma, Zlochevsky, who would have been involved in Biden's appointment, was likely a Putin puppet because he served under two Putin Puppets, Azarov and Yanukovych. My theory was that the appointment was made to make the Bidens and Ukrainians look bad, and make Trump look like the victim. The conservatives in America would eat up the story and use it to prove that Trump was framed and lied about, but Biden was the real bad guy making deals with foreign governments, the purpose being to feed the false right/left, war/narrative. The goal of Putin is to set up traps for both the right and left politicians in America, feed the other side the dirt, and then watch them argue and cause distrust and disunity in the American public. They want the public to be so fed up with democracy (because it obviously leads to Nazis and gay people) that they will want Putin's offer instead. That's why they set up the meeting with Trump's campaign, so that they could then throw those facts to the Dems and let that be food for them too.

This article seems to be claiming among other things, that Zlochevsky was not really in charge of Burisma, but that it was purchased by a company owned by Privat Group, which is controlled by Kolomoisky, who is an opponent of the separatists. I didn't see any mention of this apparent deal on the wiki page of Burisma, so who knows if it's true. Even if Kolomoiski is the one who hired Hunter, I just make a post about Kolomoisky and Privat Group, how they own a company in Russia, and is likely just pretending to be pro-separtist pro-west. So it really doesn't matter which oligarch hired Hunter. They are all likely Putin puppets, because they know he could easily find a way to take their wealth and their life. It was all part of this plan to lure the Bidens and other US guys into deals with corrupt Ukrainians, to build this narrative which this article tries to explain, as Obama's plot to make Ukraine a US satellite (which is a ridiculous idea.) Obama actually helped Putin and pretended to be against him. This is the conspiracy - to let the communist dictators take over, and the Western puppets be allowed to have some power and wealth.

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Who do you side with - Putin or Soros?

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For this experiment, you must only pick one of the two.
- picking Ukraine means you inadvertently support Soros, the Great Reset, the NWO - whatever you want to call it - it's the worse choice. Yes I'm talking to you - everyone with a Ukrainian flag on your FB page this week.
- If you pick Putin (the other bad choice, but not as bad as the first one, IMO), you support Nationalism (Oh no! sovereign countries defending themselves from the NWO! Mitt Romney will now have a cow...).

Note that I'm right again. ;)

backing up my point as usual:
For decades NATO enjoyed the luxury, thanks to US military primacy, of making up the rules and forcing everyone else to react to them....What’s been clear to me is that those placed in positions of power by Klaus Schwab and the rest of The Davos Crowd they still think we live in this type of world. That no matter what the people want or other countries need, they will dictate the time, place and parameters for any and all confrontations.

However, the longer this went on the more it was clear that Putin and his foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, were inching towards that moment where they would change the rules. I wrote back in March 2018 that Putin’s State of the Union address where he unveiled new weapon systems was a major turning point....

After a 2021 where things in Ukraine kept getting hotter and hotter, Putin and Lavrov, having backed Biden down over the summer with June 16th’s summit, knew the time had come to change the rules of the game.

If they didn’t Russia would cease to be.

The old game entered its spiral towards conclusion when Russia sent and published publicly its draft proposals for a new security architecture concerning Russia and NATO’s relationship in Eastern Europe.

Russia acted, setting the operational tempo from that moment forward. It forced the US and Europe to react to them as they created a new reality, set new rules.
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mudflap wrote: February 27th, 2022, 4:33 pm Who do you side with - Putin or Soros?

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For this experiment, you must only pick one of the two.
- picking Ukraine means you inadvertently support Soros, the Great Reset, the NWO - whatever you want to call it - it's the worse choice. Yes I'm talking to you - everyone with a Ukrainian flag on your FB page this week.
- If you pick Putin (the other bad choice, but not as bad as the first one, IMO), you support Nationalism (Oh no! sovereign countries defending themselves from the NWO! Mitt Romney will now have a cow...).

Note that I'm right again. ;)

backing up my point as usual:
For decades NATO enjoyed the luxury, thanks to US military primacy, of making up the rules and forcing everyone else to react to them....What’s been clear to me is that those placed in positions of power by Klaus Schwab and the rest of The Davos Crowd they still think we live in this type of world. That no matter what the people want or other countries need, they will dictate the time, place and parameters for any and all confrontations.

However, the longer this went on the more it was clear that Putin and his foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, were inching towards that moment where they would change the rules. I wrote back in March 2018 that Putin’s State of the Union address where he unveiled new weapon systems was a major turning point....

After a 2021 where things in Ukraine kept getting hotter and hotter, Putin and Lavrov, having backed Biden down over the summer with June 16th’s summit, knew the time had come to change the rules of the game.

If they didn’t Russia would cease to be.

The old game entered its spiral towards conclusion when Russia sent and published publicly its draft proposals for a new security architecture concerning Russia and NATO’s relationship in Eastern Europe.

Russia acted, setting the operational tempo from that moment forward. It forced the US and Europe to react to them as they created a new reality, set new rules.
~ https://www.theburningplatform.com/2022 ... ame-board/
"They" want us to pick sides so that we can have a war and the West can be defeated. How is Soros going to usher in the NWO?

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Sarah wrote: February 27th, 2022, 5:29 pm "They" want us to pick sides so that we can have a war and the West can be defeated. How is Soros going to usher in the NWO?
Bingo. exactly correct-a-mundo on the first statement.

On the second one - I don't know. There are a lot of theories. I haven't settled on one yet. One of the most prevalent is:

some kind of crisis - virus / war / etc. -> economic collapse / slowdown / -> many industrialized countries defaulting on debts -> create new digital currency -> forgive debts if they agree to use the new currency -> enforcement of fraud over new currency run by some "world body" / Interpol / whatever - centrally controlled -> start controlling which businesses can operate where because "climate change" -> less local control over business. etc./etc. More global control, less local control.

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Just read that Mitt Romney praised Zelensmy and called Putin Ferret Faced. Mitt said this is a clear battle between good and evil....and now I'm all confused. Mitt is wrong on soany issues, is this one of the rare times he is right?

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So it sounds like you agree with the alt-right/"Russia is a victim" narrative that we did all these things because we wanted to go to war with Russia and China? Why would we want to do that?
You talk like there has to be a logical reason for these things. There isn't. Elites (and many others) worship Satan either explicitly or implicitly because they love money, power, and sex and he helps them get those things to destroy them. He uses his followers to try to destroy all mankind because he hates God and God's children. He takes the precious things of the earth and uses them to buy priests, armies, and governments (and scientists and media figures) to accomplish his plan. To me, it's really that simple.

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tribrac wrote: February 27th, 2022, 7:36 pm Mitt is wrong on soany issues, is this one of the rare times he is right?
nope. Mitt is just another run-of-the-mill globalist, getting while the getting is good. cofer black was Mitt's national security advisor and also sat on the Burisma board with Hunter, so of course Mitt is going to praise the corrupt honey pot also known as Ukraine.

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