Russia/Ukraine Appears Like it Might be Going Hot Right Now

[Being There]

NATO response force activated for first time ever

The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) activated its response force for the first time ever on Friday. The response force is being activated as part of larger deterrence efforts along the alliance’s eastern front, amid a Russian invasion of neighboring Ukraine.

“We are deploying elements of the #NATO Response Force,” NATO’s Twitter account announced Friday.
https://twitter.com/NATO/status/1497290 ... me-ever%2F
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/0 ... time-ever/

[Sarah]

How does "squeezing Russian exports" help the Western elites establish a one-world order?
How does having Zelenski as a leader help squeeze Russian exports?

If you don't know the answer to that question you haven't been paying enough attention. But here's a piece to the puzzle:

Okay, so you think the West wants to starve everyone, then what? Have they stored lots of wheat to keep their Western armies alive, like Russia and China are doing? Who is going to enforce this world government, and how are they going to be supplied when all the food is gone?

[NeveR]

How does "squeezing Russian exports" help the Western elites establish a one-world order?
How does having Zelenski as a leader help squeeze Russian exports?

If you don't know the answer to that question you haven't been paying enough attention. But here's a piece to the puzzle:

Okay, so you think the West wants to starve everyone, then what? Have they stored lots of wheat to keep their Western armies alive, like Russia and China are doing? Who is going to enforce this world government, and how are they going to be supplied when all the food is gone?

The shortages don't have to be actual. They just have to be announced and used as a reason for rationing.

I think people need to realize the extent to which the reality created for us by news feeds and government proclamations is completely invented.

[1775peasant]

“Have they stored lots of wheat to keep their Western armies alive, like Russia and China are doing? Who is going to enforce this world government, and how are they going to be supplied when all the food is gone?”


it’s statements like the above that demonstrate the elemental ignorance u possess on these subjects, while u incessantly regurgitate the Satanic Bolshevik talking points over & over……

[1775peasant]

for some reason i began to irregularly watch this guy, at first the constant Bolshevik leftism that he emitted was intolerable…….but after a month or so i’d watch his latest vid…..

then as the C-19 agenda began to be rolled out, a shift began to place in his theme….over the past 2 years i’d say he’s become quite balanced, geo-politically….thanks to the Bolshevik designed C-19 scam, he has awoken to part of this, “awful situation”…

https://youtu.be/595Esg6Mz0U

[mudflap]

You say his major donor is Kolomoyskyi, and he is a CIA puppet. I'd like to see your evidence for that.
So you can't trust any of these guys who say they are pro-Ukrainian independence, anti-corruption. They are all corrupt, and they all have ties to Russia one way or the other. And many Ukrainians recognize that the corruption stems from being compromised by Putin's influence.

it's in the deep dive article I posted (with links): https://thesaker.is/here-is-the-dirt-tr ... the-press/

but also here:

https://themillenniumreport.com/2019/09 ... v-ukraine/

is it Zlochevsky or Kolomoysky? — because Zlochevsky was associated with the prior Government of Ukraine and its President Viktor Yanukovych, whom the U.S. Government had overthrown in an operation that started in 2011 and that ended very successfully in February 2014 with the American Government’s Victoria Nuland on 27 January 2014 telling the U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine to get “Yats” Yatsenyuk appointed to run the country as soon as Yanukovych becomes successfully overthrown — which happened less than a month later, during February 20-22 — and Yatsenyuk then received the appointment on February 26th to run the country, just as Obama’s agent Nuland had instructed. Zlochevsky fled the country, because he had been politically allied with Yanukovych, who also fled the country. Obama’s Government constantly tried to get Zlochevsky prosecuted for alleged corruption, but Zlochevsky had sold the company to Kolomoysky even before Obama took over Ukraine. It’s not at all clear that Hunter Biden had ever so much as just met Zlochevsky.

Joseph Biden, as is well reported in the press, instructed the new Ukrainian Government to fire and replace the General Prosecutor of Ukraine, Viktor Shokin, who had failed to prosecute Zlochevsky, and this action by Joe is reported as indicating that the senior Biden granted his son’s employer no favor but instead the opposite — that Joe insisted upon Hunter’s boss’s prosecution.

For example, James Risen, of The Intercept, which is owned by one of the financial backers of the overthrow of Yanukovych, Pierre Omidyar (see this and this and this and this and this and this), headlined on September 25th, “I Wrote About the Bidens and Ukraine Years Ago. Then the Right-Wing Spin Machine Turned the Story Upside Down.”, and Risen reported that:

The then-vice president issued his demands for greater anti-corruption measures by the Ukrainian government despite the possibility that those demands would actually increase – not lessen — the chances that Hunter Biden and Burisma would face legal trouble in Ukraine.

Risen reported there that V.P. Biden’s “anti-corruption message might be undermined by the association of his son Hunter with one of Ukraine’s largest natural gas companies, Burisma Holdings, and with its owner, Mykola Zlochevsky.”

However, none of that press says Kolomoysky owned the company and was its boss. The presumption there is always that Zlochevsky needed to be prosecuted — not that Kolomoysky did. Kolomoysky is simply being written out of the picture altogether — whited-out from it

They show this image - notice Kolomoysky- the owner of Burisma - is conspicuously absent from the US media reporting:


Remember, it was the CIA whistleblower who wanted Trump impeached for sniffing too close to Burisma. And I guess they were successful - Trump is out, Biden is in, and Ukraine and it's CIA installed president is getting it's butt kicked by the Russians.

[BroJones]

JR Nyquist’s latest. Don't know of many analysts who know Russia’s leadership better than Nyquist.

J.R. Nyquist Blog - https://jrnyquist.blog/

[NeveR]

JR Nyquist’s latest. Don't know of many analysts who know Russia’s leadership better than Nyquist.

J.R. Nyquist Blog - https://jrnyquist.blog/

That troubles me. It's so extreme. So black and white.

Have you ever read any Russian POV? Or analyses by anyone who understands the Russian POV?

Are you familiar with their history or any part of how they see the world?

Surely Christian charity demands we try to ? And more than that, at a time when we are being encouraged to hate and fear others, should we not resist that call?

EDIT - I mean whatever Russia is doing in Ukraine is dwarfed by the misery WE have brought to the world isn't it. - Just yesterday we bombed Somalia - but who cares?

[mahalanobis]

Perhaps this is what RMN meant when we announced a temple "somewhere in Russia".

That the Russian invasion/annexation of Ukraine would put the existing Kiev temple inside Russian borders.

I made the above post a month ago.

Possibilities:
* RMN knew this was all going to happen (because of secret combinations)
* RMN knew this was all going to happen (due to honest-to-gosh inspiration)
* RMN had no idea this was all going to happen and just got extremely lucky (because let's be honest, there was zero political progress towards an actual ground breaking for a real temple inside the legacy borders of Russia)

[Sarah]

How does "squeezing Russian exports" help the Western elites establish a one-world order?
How does having Zelenski as a leader help squeeze Russian exports?

If you don't know the answer to that question you haven't been paying enough attention. But here's a piece to the puzzle:

Okay, so you think the West wants to starve everyone, then what? Have they stored lots of wheat to keep their Western armies alive, like Russia and China are doing? Who is going to enforce this world government, and how are they going to be supplied when all the food is gone?

The shortages don't have to be actual. They just have to be announced and used as a reason for rationing.

I think people need to realize the extent to which the reality created for us by news feeds and government proclamations is completely invented.

As more war breaks out around the world, the gas will stop flowing, which will create the shortages.

[Sarah]

“Have they stored lots of wheat to keep their Western armies alive, like Russia and China are doing? Who is going to enforce this world government, and how are they going to be supplied when all the food is gone?”


it’s statements like the above that demonstrate the elemental ignorance u possess on these subjects, while u incessantly regurgitate the Satanic Bolshevik talking points over & over……

All I did was ask some questions. If I'm completely ignorant on the subject, then naturally you should be able to answer them.

[Sarah]

You say his major donor is Kolomoyskyi, and he is a CIA puppet. I'd like to see your evidence for that.
So you can't trust any of these guys who say they are pro-Ukrainian independence, anti-corruption. They are all corrupt, and they all have ties to Russia one way or the other. And many Ukrainians recognize that the corruption stems from being compromised by Putin's influence.

it's in the deep dive article I posted (with links): https://thesaker.is/here-is-the-dirt-tr ... the-press/

but also here:

https://themillenniumreport.com/2019/09 ... v-ukraine/

is it Zlochevsky or Kolomoysky? — because Zlochevsky was associated with the prior Government of Ukraine and its President Viktor Yanukovych, whom the U.S. Government had overthrown in an operation that started in 2011 and that ended very successfully in February 2014 with the American Government’s Victoria Nuland on 27 January 2014 telling the U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine to get “Yats” Yatsenyuk appointed to run the country as soon as Yanukovych becomes successfully overthrown — which happened less than a month later, during February 20-22 — and Yatsenyuk then received the appointment on February 26th to run the country, just as Obama’s agent Nuland had instructed. Zlochevsky fled the country, because he had been politically allied with Yanukovych, who also fled the country. Obama’s Government constantly tried to get Zlochevsky prosecuted for alleged corruption, but Zlochevsky had sold the company to Kolomoysky even before Obama took over Ukraine. It’s not at all clear that Hunter Biden had ever so much as just met Zlochevsky.

Joseph Biden, as is well reported in the press, instructed the new Ukrainian Government to fire and replace the General Prosecutor of Ukraine, Viktor Shokin, who had failed to prosecute Zlochevsky, and this action by Joe is reported as indicating that the senior Biden granted his son’s employer no favor but instead the opposite — that Joe insisted upon Hunter’s boss’s prosecution.

For example, James Risen, of The Intercept, which is owned by one of the financial backers of the overthrow of Yanukovych, Pierre Omidyar (see this and this and this and this and this and this), headlined on September 25th, “I Wrote About the Bidens and Ukraine Years Ago. Then the Right-Wing Spin Machine Turned the Story Upside Down.”, and Risen reported that:

The then-vice president issued his demands for greater anti-corruption measures by the Ukrainian government despite the possibility that those demands would actually increase – not lessen — the chances that Hunter Biden and Burisma would face legal trouble in Ukraine.

Risen reported there that V.P. Biden’s “anti-corruption message might be undermined by the association of his son Hunter with one of Ukraine’s largest natural gas companies, Burisma Holdings, and with its owner, Mykola Zlochevsky.”

However, none of that press says Kolomoysky owned the company and was its boss. The presumption there is always that Zlochevsky needed to be prosecuted — not that Kolomoysky did. Kolomoysky is simply being written out of the picture altogether — whited-out from it

They show this image - notice Kolomoysky- the owner of Burisma - is conspicuously absent from the US media reporting:


Remember, it was the CIA whistleblower who wanted Trump impeached for sniffing too close to Burisma. And I guess they were successful - Trump is out, Biden is in, and Ukraine and it's CIA installed president is getting it's butt kicked by the Russians.

Okay, I'll look at the links, but why does having the Russians now kick their butts make the CIA successful.

[ajax]

See this talk by John Mearsheimer. This is from 2015 but still relevant. The actual presentation is half the video. The rest is Wanda

Remember Mearsheimers prediction?

“I actually think the West is leading Ukraine down the primrose path, and the end result is Ukraine is going to get wrecked,”

Here he is again a couple of days before Russia moved, with yet again a good history lesson and realpolitik analysis.

[Sarah]

See this talk by John Mearsheimer. This is from 2015 but still relevant. The actual presentation is half the video. The rest is Wanda

Remember Mearsheimers prediction?

“I actually think the West is leading Ukraine down the primrose path, and the end result is Ukraine is going to get wrecked,”

Here he is again a couple of days before Russia moved, with yet again a good history lesson and realpolitik analysis.

Maybe he knows the future because he knows the Russian strategy and intent on crushing all their enemies. What he doesn't see (refuses or deceitfully ignores) is Russia's subversion, infiltration, and manipulation of all our western leaders, which always ends up allowing Russia to come in and clean up the mess. Compared to the FSB, our CIA is incompetent. Look what happened in Venezuela where our guys were sent in to a trap. Elites in the West are the most naive, stupidest bunch. It's Russian propaganda over the years that has made people think the US wanted to overtake Russia someday with their NWO plan. The plan has always been to collapse the West and let the Eastern leaders have their way.
This guy sounds like he will be happy to see Ukraine get wrecked. He uses the word wrecked multiple times as I recall (It's been a while since I watched it)

[ajax]

Silly. Yeah, a different take MUST mean he will be happy to see Ukraine get wrecked. He’s simply stating reality based on realpolitik. The west has thrown Ukraine under the bus and used them as a sacrificial lamb. The US could care less about Ukrainians. And why would they? They don’t even care about Americans and see half us as racist terrorists. The US has been lying and meddling for decades, while self righteously posturing.

[1775peasant]

“Have they stored lots of wheat to keep their Western armies alive, like Russia and China are doing? Who is going to enforce this world government, and how are they going to be supplied when all the food is gone?”


it’s statements like the above that demonstrate the elemental ignorance u possess on these subjects, while u incessantly regurgitate the Satanic Bolshevik talking points over & over……

All I did was ask some questions. If I'm completely ignorant on the subject, then naturally you should be able to answer them.

but are u honestly seeking answers?

[Sarah]

“Have they stored lots of wheat to keep their Western armies alive, like Russia and China are doing? Who is going to enforce this world government, and how are they going to be supplied when all the food is gone?”


it’s statements like the above that demonstrate the elemental ignorance u possess on these subjects, while u incessantly regurgitate the Satanic Bolshevik talking points over & over……

All I did was ask some questions. If I'm completely ignorant on the subject, then naturally you should be able to answer them.

but are u honestly seeking answers?

Yes, I'm honestly seeking answers so I can disagree with them

[Sarah]

Silly. Yeah, a different take MUST mean he will be happy to see Ukraine get wrecked. He’s simply stating reality based on realpolitik. The west has thrown Ukraine under the bus and used them as a sacrificial lamb. The US could care less about Ukrainians. And why would they? They don’t even care about Americans and see half us as racist terrorists. The US has been lying and meddling for decades, while self righteously posturing.

Please explain why sacrificing Ukraine helps them. I genuinely want to understand the western globalist plan to dominate the world.

[ajax]

Why does any empire do what it does? Towards the end of its life, the rationality turns into absurdity. While the barbarians chip away at the edges.

Why do we have bases around the world?
Why did we overthrow Mossadegh in 1953 and install the Shah?
Why did we depose Arbenz in 1954?
Why the gulf of Tonkin?
Why lie about Iraq?
Why did we arm Al-Queda?
Why did we support the 2014 Ukrainian coup?
Why was Operation Northwoods approved by the Joint Chiefs? (but thank god not Kennedy)
Why expand NATO?
Then why expand it again?
The why try to expand it a third time knowing the regional power has warned you against it?
Once you reject a republic, and enter the on the path of empire, you create structures and incentives that are impossible to remove. They must violently extinguish themselves.
Why did we do any of this?: (undeclared btw)

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[mudflap]

JR Nyquist’s latest. Don't know of many analysts who know Russia’s leadership better than Nyquist.

J.R. Nyquist Blog - https://jrnyquist.blog/

>The Americans never wanted a conflict with Russia, or with China. The Americans wanted to live in peace.

ummmm.....seriously? Is he serious?

no. we. didn't. Our CIA has been poking hornet's nests all over the world since the end of WWII. Mogidishu, Syria, Vietnam, Korea, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, all the eastern block countries. OMG! We've surrounded Russia with arms, and paved the way for China to move out of the 3rd world. Have you ever heard of the Military Industrial Complex? America's main export is weapons. It might be easier to name a war we HAVEN'T fomented.

He's either joking, or asleep.

[Sarah]

Why does any empire do what it does? Towards the end of its life, the rationality turns into absurdity. While the barbarians chip away at the edges.

Why do we have bases around the world?
Why did we overthrow Mossadegh in 1953 and install the Shah?
Why did we depose Arbenz in 1954?
Why the gulf of Tonkin?
Why lie about Iraq?
Why did we arm Al-Queda?
Why did we support the 2014 Ukrainian coup?
Why was Operation Northwoods approved by the Joint Chiefs? (but thank god not Kennedy)
Why expand NATO?
Then why expand it again?
The why try to expand it a third time knowing the regional power has warned you against it?
Once you reject a republic, and enter the on the path of empire, you create structures and incentives that are impossible to remove. They must violently extinguish themselves.
Why did we do any of this?: (undeclared btw)

14F57CE3-BC7B-45EA-8316-8B11592BB2E1.jpeg

Why did we do all of this? That's what I'm asking you? What was the purpose? Was it really just so Dick Cheney could earn some money as NeveR suggested?
The important thing to ask yourself is, out of all those countries, who do we control right now? Did any of those countries become our puppets or allies? Most of them on that list have greater ties to Russia and China than they do to us? Hmm, maybe we were actually helping the Communists all this time?

Just watched this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktr3GkEBV30
They say the Economist magazine is owned by the Rothschild family. Some of these connections make it seem like they are all working together.

[Sarah]

JR Nyquist’s latest. Don't know of many analysts who know Russia’s leadership better than Nyquist.

J.R. Nyquist Blog - https://jrnyquist.blog/

>The Americans never wanted a conflict with Russia, or with China. The Americans wanted to live in peace.

ummmm.....seriously? Is he serious?

no. we. didn't. Our CIA has been poking hornet's nests all over the world since the end of WWII. Mogidishu, Syria, Vietnam, Korea, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, all the eastern block countries. OMG! We've surrounded Russia with arms, and paved the way for China to move out of the 3rd world. Have you ever heard of the Military Industrial Complex? America's main export is weapons. It might be easier to name a war we HAVEN'T fomented.

He's either joking, or asleep.

So it sounds like you agree with the alt-right/"Russia is a victim" narrative that we did all these things because we wanted to go to war with Russia and China? Why would we want to do that?

[Sarah]

JR Nyquist’s latest. Don't know of many analysts who know Russia’s leadership better than Nyquist.

J.R. Nyquist Blog - https://jrnyquist.blog/

>The Americans never wanted a conflict with Russia, or with China. The Americans wanted to live in peace.

ummmm.....seriously? Is he serious?

no. we. didn't. Our CIA has been poking hornet's nests all over the world since the end of WWII. Mogidishu, Syria, Vietnam, Korea, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, all the eastern block countries. OMG! We've surrounded Russia with arms, and paved the way for China to move out of the 3rd world. Have you ever heard of the Military Industrial Complex? America's main export is weapons. It might be easier to name a war we HAVEN'T fomented.

He's either joking, or asleep.

No doubt some people have gotten rich in the military industry from endless wars. But a US government official supporting war, or even coming up with the idea for a target just so he can see his wallet balloon is different than wanting to go to battle in some far off land so that eventually we can take on the military might of China and Russia, especially when everyone knows that our technology, money, and hardware has served to help build up their militaries, and we could never take them on and and have a sure win. Remember, they also each have a huge MIC and sell weapons and hardware all over the world. What a suicidal plan these US globalists have. Dumb dumb dumb.

[ajax]

Why does any empire do what it does? Towards the end of its life, the rationality turns into absurdity. While the barbarians chip away at the edges.

Why do we have bases around the world?
Why did we overthrow Mossadegh in 1953 and install the Shah?
Why did we depose Arbenz in 1954?
Why the gulf of Tonkin?
Why lie about Iraq?
Why did we arm Al-Queda?
Why did we support the 2014 Ukrainian coup?
Why was Operation Northwoods approved by the Joint Chiefs? (but thank god not Kennedy)
Why expand NATO?
Then why expand it again?
The why try to expand it a third time knowing the regional power has warned you against it?
Once you reject a republic, and enter the on the path of empire, you create structures and incentives that are impossible to remove. They must violently extinguish themselves.
Why did we do any of this?: (undeclared btw)

14F57CE3-BC7B-45EA-8316-8B11592BB2E1.jpeg

Why did we do all of this? That's what I'm asking you? What was the purpose? Was it really just so Dick Cheney could earn some money as NeveR suggested?
The important thing to ask yourself is, out of all those countries, who do we control right now? Did any of those countries become our puppets or allies? Most of them on that list have greater ties to Russia and China than they do to us? Hmm, maybe we were actually helping the Communists all this time?

Just watched this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktr3GkEBV30
They say the Economist magazine is owned by the Rothschild family. Some of these connections make it seem like they are all working together.

Good question. Cui bono. To whom is it a benefit? Follow the money. Start with Major General Smedley Butler, author of War is a Racket who ended up seeing himself as a "gangster for capitalism". The US has the largest war machine in world history. The racket it much larger now than in Butler's day. The profits, power and influence are immense.

[TheDuke]

Look back in hindsight. It is usually 20-20. Here maybe 20-40. but, the idea was never to get into a global nuclear war, after all everything on the list is during the cold war after we created enough power to destroy all life on the planet several times over. Many of the things we did, like Noriega, seemed right to overcome some issue, but ended up no better than Viet Nam or Korea. It is true, we should have just destroyed Mao and Stalin in 1945 and installed a millennium based world government then????????????????????????

such arrogance here, looking back and assigning guilt, like the military industrial complex BS. Sure it made money, but that was a result, not an initial pressure. People always make money in war, but seldom do they start the war. I usually always agree with Mudflap, but I'm pretty much aghast by his comments on this thread. Much assigning intent w/o so much as evidence, I've seldom agreed with Ajax on these matters so I'm not surprised here.

I'm totally against all war and conflict. But, I will do it for freedom. I served in the military, I saw many stupid things, but never was anyone I worked with guilty of any more than trying to do their duty and possibly get ahead. I worked in research and development with all the largest corporations in the world. I saw graft and greed, but nothing more than in any other business (medicine, government, construction, manufacturing, on, and on.)

Russia has never been a democracy, they got close once, and Putin took it away. Soviet block countries have much less freedom than we do, but they have much more than in USSR. the US is the greatest nation ever to exist in this world, but as pointed out well short of perfect from its inception until today, but that is only a reason to double down to do better not to say the US is evil, perhaps often stupid. Name a country other than the US that had the power to take over and dominate the world to put its will on every single person on the planet with atomic bombs that came home from the war and didn't even claim a single terratory, that sent money and supplies to help Germany and Japan get back on their feet. .................... COME ON waiting for examples, any one?

Now we have issues with our leaders, they don't represent what we want, they are weak, many immoral, but they are not doing terrible evil, they frankly just aren't doing much of anything.

this thread is about russia and ukraine, keep America &!@$#%$@ out of it, PLeASE. Start your one in the heretic section where it belongs with thoe who thrive on destroying, tearing down and being whiners.