Russia/Ukraine Appears Like it Might be Going Hot Right Now

[Sarah]

This was posted before the full invasion...

Posted on February 23, 2022 · 217 Comments
Russian Troops Enter Eastern Ukraine: Analysis

Russia initially did everything it could to make sure these disagreements could be resolved by peaceful means. However, the Kiev officials have conducted two punitive operations on those territories; and, apparently, we are witnessing a third escalation. All these years … the people living on those territories have been literally tortured by constant shelling and blockades.
Vladimir Putin, 21 February 2022

President Vladimir Putin spent months deploying Russian troops around Ukraine, on three sides. Of course, he said Russia was not going to invade Ukraine; and many believed him. Last week, when Putin’s spokesmen announced the Russian troops were standing down, many people believed him. But the troops did not leave their deployments. They moved closer to the border with Ukraine. And then it was alleged that the Ukrainians did a bad, bad thing. So, the Russian troops did not go home as advertised. The troops stayed in position; and on Monday, Putin decided to invade eastern Ukraine. And now Putin has asked the Duma for permission to use the Russian military to attack forces outside of Russia. Some intelligence analysts believe that a general invasion of Ukraine will soon begin.

Putin offers many and variable justifications for invading Ukraine: He says America initiated a coup in Ukraine and took it over in 2014. Putin also claims the Ukrainians are committing genocide against ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine. Putin complains that the West promised not to admit east European nations into NATO, even though there was no treaty or formal agreement on this. Putin further claims that Ukraine is not a real country; rather, it was “created by Lenin.” (Untrue.) Therefore, Ukraine has no right to exist. Over-egging the omelet even more, Putin has suggested that the breakup of the Soviet Union was illegal.

Given the testimony of numerous defectors, and a strategic sense of things, it seems that Moscow has always planned to retake Ukraine, if only to put the Soviet Union back together. There is something inevitable about Moscow aligning with communist China, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, communist Cuba, and all the other communist countries. Has anyone bothered to notice this? No. They were all too busy counting their “peace dividend,” congratulating themselves for “winning” the Cold War. The return of Ukraine to the Union and the reemergence of the communist bloc was always in the cards.

When are people going to wake up? The left remains deceived and the right remains deceived. They each have their narratives and each narrative has been wrong. How does one get past the embarrassment of it? Even now the conspiracy hacks are blaming Western elites for the war. Yet the war now begins on Moscow’s order, after Putin’s meeting with Chinese leader Xi on February 4. Most people will never realize what this means strategically; namely, that we are now in the Final Phase of the communist bloc long range strategy. And that means a trap is being sprung.

The communist powers have a special dilemma at this time, however. After fooling everyone for three decades, how are they going to get folks to realize they mean business? What if they cannot, like a highway robber, convince the West to surrender peacefully at gunpoint? Under the present circumstances, the West is threatening sanctions on Russia over this invasion of Ukraine. Sanctions? On the new owners of the world? (But then, does anyone realize who these new owners are?)

If the United States puts sanctions on Russia, I am told the Russians will launch a devastating cyber-attack on the United States. In response to this, President Biden has promised to retaliate in kind. What happens, then? A further escalation? Probably. Is there any way to avoid a wider war at this point? How would that be possible given the dynamic we are seeing?

Our banks, our companies, our trading systems, should have never given Moscow credits or technology or trade advantages. Our leaders should have never admitted China to the World Trade Organization. After twenty years, what is the benefit of this post-Cold War openness toward Beijing and Moscow? We are now on the brink of a war in Eastern Europe, not knowing if it will escalate or not.

Putin’s government has, in recent weeks, threatened Finland, Sweden, Poland and the Baltic States. Putin knows that NATO is weak and has been subverted. He knows that America is weak and unready for war. Also, Putin has China as an ally. Why should he fear anyone? He can threaten and bluster, yes. But he can also carry out those threats. He is powerful now. He has built his military and brags of “deploying weapons on combat duty without parallel in the world.” Ukraine has called up her reserves, finally, at the eleventh hour. If Russia strikes quickly, the mobilization will be too late. The ground is not frozen, but muddy. The sky is overcast with rain forecast for Kiev today. The Russian armor will be slowed. But how much will it be slowed? Ukraine is being abandoned because America and her allies did not prepare, did not take the threat from Russian seriously. And now we are feeding the crocodile in the hope that he will eat us last.

Today the Russian forces have reportedly commenced “radio silence.” Some sources say that a major war will being within two weeks. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has been told that a full Russian invasion, involving air and missile strikes, might begin in the next 48 hours. Ukraine’s foreign minister, grasping at straws, said that Russia is ready to attack and there is but a short time left for deterrence (i.e., for the West to declare its willingness to defend Ukraine).

The Russian leaders may cynically claim that Ukraine has provoked them and NATO cheated them, but Russia’s leaders are the real cheaters. They cheated on the Intermediate Nuclear Forces Agreement. They cheated on the Conventional Forces in Europe Agreement. Even as NATO got rid of thousands of tactical nuclear weapons the Russians have kept 20,000 such weapons. The proof is now in the pudding. Watch Ukraine.

[blitzinstripes]

I agree, Brother Jones. Sure seems like a lot of commies and Putin boot lickers around here. America surely isn't perfect. But the amount of outright hate I see here is concerning, especially from a LDS perspective. One guy sounded a lot like Lucifer defending why we didn't deserve our freedom and we would be better off being compelled to be "righteous", like in Russia. (Speaking of homosexuality, etc). Just because Russia makes a flag with a straight stick figure family suddenly makes them the moral champions. Lot of folks here drinking that Russia propaganda Kool aid.

[mike_rumble]

I just talked to a friend at work - he's from Romania. He says 30 years ago, when Romania allowed the USA in to support their military, everyone wanted to "be like the US". His wife's parents still live there, and the mood has changed - nobody wants any more USA in their country. They don't like the wokeness and destroying statues, and the rioting, and the corruption in voting. He thinks the same sentiment exists and is growing in Ukraine.

Putin and his conspirators have been creating this perception that freedom/democratic government equals chaos. They want people to think that having a benevolent nationalist dictator is the better option than a US styled democracy, full of fighting and corruption and wokeness. Many of these so called -"western" provocateurs originate from the outside the West (Kremlin) just like what was found to be happening in Canada, with the Facebook organizers originating from places like Romania and Vietnam and the Philippines.

Well, it would be better... if you could actually find a competent and benevolent dictator. The problem is, that no dictator, nationalist or otherwise truly is benevolent, and even if you could find one, their eventual replacements would be just as corrupt or incompetent, if not mores than a democratic government... and life would be much much worse...

When the Messiah returns and sets up the Kingdom of God then the world will finally know a competent and benevolent dictator. Pretty much all of the established nation states are not going to like being told what to do and most believers are not going to like being forced to obey his laws and commandments. "And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain." - Zechariah 14:17

Edit: Just wanted to clarify that the "believers" I mentioned would be those who think that when Jesus returns it's all going to be unicorns and rainbow. I fear that some of us will be surprised to learn that He does not approve of some of the things we believe and some of the actions we take, even though we might think we are "good" people.

[mudflap]

Here's some of the latest on the J.R. Nyquist blog - pay attention to the first few minutes of the video below, when he talks about the KGB defector Anatoliy Golitsyn. In his book New Lies for Old written in 1984, he predicted exactly what we are seeing today.

Posted on February 25, 2022 · 1 Comment
The War in Ukraine: Interview With the Populist Patriot

…Russia overcame the inertia of collapse and started reviving its power, while the West, being lulled by sweet day-dreams of the liberal ‘end of history,’ castrated its armed forces to the point, when they could be good [only] for leading colonial wars with weak and technically backward enemies. The balance of forces in Europe has thus changed in Russia’s favor.
Pravda, 13 November 2014

The headline of the Pravda article cited above reads, “Russia takes complete advantage of castrated armed forces of the West.” We also read in that same Russian article, “The illusion of world supremacy played a cruel joke on Washington.” We must ask a question here: Who fostered the illusion of American world supremacy? What country supposedly quit the business of nuclear competition, the business of communist subversion, the business of the Cold War? Russia supposedly quit. But they did not quit!

Nevertheless, we find Tucker Carlson and Patrick Buchanan saying that we have been unfair to Russia, that we have needlessly provoked Vladimir Putin, tricking the Russians with false promises. No. The Russians tricked us. And they were already laughing at us in November 2014. America wanted to believe that the nightmare threat of Mutual Assured Destruction was a thing of the past. The Americans never wanted a conflict with Russia, or with China. The Americans wanted to live in peace. But we will not be living in peace. The war is coming to us whether we want it or not. And the war has now begun in Ukraine and there will be additional moves.

Here is my discussion with Nevin Gussack of the Populist Patriot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqfzjiB0sUk&t=100s

sorry, I think you're completely wrong.

[Sarah]

Here's some of the latest on the J.R. Nyquist blog - pay attention to the first few minutes of the video below, when he talks about the KGB defector Anatoliy Golitsyn. In his book New Lies for Old written in 1984, he predicted exactly what we are seeing today.

Posted on February 25, 2022 · 1 Comment
The War in Ukraine: Interview With the Populist Patriot

…Russia overcame the inertia of collapse and started reviving its power, while the West, being lulled by sweet day-dreams of the liberal ‘end of history,’ castrated its armed forces to the point, when they could be good [only] for leading colonial wars with weak and technically backward enemies. The balance of forces in Europe has thus changed in Russia’s favor.
Pravda, 13 November 2014

The headline of the Pravda article cited above reads, “Russia takes complete advantage of castrated armed forces of the West.” We also read in that same Russian article, “The illusion of world supremacy played a cruel joke on Washington.” We must ask a question here: Who fostered the illusion of American world supremacy? What country supposedly quit the business of nuclear competition, the business of communist subversion, the business of the Cold War? Russia supposedly quit. But they did not quit!

Nevertheless, we find Tucker Carlson and Patrick Buchanan saying that we have been unfair to Russia, that we have needlessly provoked Vladimir Putin, tricking the Russians with false promises. No. The Russians tricked us. And they were already laughing at us in November 2014. America wanted to believe that the nightmare threat of Mutual Assured Destruction was a thing of the past. The Americans never wanted a conflict with Russia, or with China. The Americans wanted to live in peace. But we will not be living in peace. The war is coming to us whether we want it or not. And the war has now begun in Ukraine and there will be additional moves.

Here is my discussion with Nevin Gussack of the Populist Patriot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqfzjiB0sUk&t=100s

sorry, I think you're completely wrong.

Obviously. But maybe others will be persuaded...

[blitzinstripes]

I just talked to a friend at work - he's from Romania. He says 30 years ago, when Romania allowed the USA in to support their military, everyone wanted to "be like the US". His wife's parents still live there, and the mood has changed - nobody wants any more USA in their country. They don't like the wokeness and destroying statues, and the rioting, and the corruption in voting. He thinks the same sentiment exists and is growing in Ukraine.

Putin and his conspirators have been creating this perception that freedom/democratic government equals chaos.

"Putin and his conspirators" and "freedom equals chaos" - lol. tell me it doesn't. And he's not wrong. With no morals left in the USA, look at what we've become. The rest of the world is saying, "no thanks!" It takes a moral society to prosper under freedom. Look at our country everywhere Democrats control. What we've had in the USA since Democrats took over our cities is nothing but chaos. Democrats are the party of death, destruction, and war. No self-respecting person on the planet would support that in their country. Believe it or not, folks actually want stability and a safe place to raise a family.

.....with the Facebook organizers originating from places like Romania and Vietnam and the Philippines.

he's not from facebook.

And here I thought I was a wacky tinfoil hat conspiracist.....SMH.

Lucifer knew what would happen when mankind excersised their moral agency. That's why he opposed it and offered his own alternative with no free agency. Righteousness by compulsion. Not a soul shall be lost.

It sure sounds as if you are repeating that argument. Correct me if I'm wrong, but all you are stating is the bad that can happen when humans exercise freedom. Perhaps you have lost all faith in humanity? Do you not see and live the benefits of liberty? Have you never seen the beauty and the glory of human beings exercising their agency for good?

You may feel that way now, but rest assured that when that argument was presented, you shot it down and stood with the Lord and with agency.

[mudflap]

I just talked to a friend at work - he's from Romania. He says 30 years ago, when Romania allowed the USA in to support their military, everyone wanted to "be like the US". His wife's parents still live there, and the mood has changed - nobody wants any more USA in their country. They don't like the wokeness and destroying statues, and the rioting, and the corruption in voting. He thinks the same sentiment exists and is growing in Ukraine.

Putin and his conspirators have been creating this perception that freedom/democratic government equals chaos.

"Putin and his conspirators" and "freedom equals chaos" - lol. tell me it doesn't. And he's not wrong. With no morals left in the USA, look at what we've become. The rest of the world is saying, "no thanks!" It takes a moral society to prosper under freedom. Look at our country everywhere Democrats control. What we've had in the USA since Democrats took over our cities is nothing but chaos. Democrats are the party of death, destruction, and war. No self-respecting person on the planet would support that in their country. Believe it or not, folks actually want stability and a safe place to raise a family.

.....with the Facebook organizers originating from places like Romania and Vietnam and the Philippines.

he's not from facebook.

And here I thought I was a wacky tinfoil hat conspiracist.....SMH.

Lucifer knew what would happen when mankind excersised their moral agency. That's why he opposed it and offered his own alternative with no free agency. Righteousness by compulsion. Not a soul shall be lost.

It sure sounds as if you are repeating that argument. Correct me if I'm wrong, but all you are stating is the bad that can happen when humans exercise freedom. Perhaps you have lost all faith in humanity? Do you not see and live the benefits of liberty? Have you never seen the beauty and the glory of human beings exercising their agency for good?

You may feel that way now, but rest assured that when that argument was presented, you shot it down and stood with the Lord and with agency.

no, it's more sinister than that. I'm the most pro Liberty and Freedom person I know. Note that I said:

It takes a moral society to prosper under freedom.

America is not moral, and thus will not / cannot prosper. If you look up further, you'll find estimates that Russia is more Christian than America. As far as who should be influencing Ukraine - Russia or America, Russia clearly has more moral authority than the USA. We're in the middle of Helaman 6:1 - America and Russia have nearly swapped roles. If you can't see it, I invite you to open your eyes.

The MSM is still selling (and many like Sarah are buying) the idea that the Soviet Union is still the "1 square of toilet paper per day" country we knew back in the 1980's. They have moved far beyond those days.

Putin is not a good guy. He is also not worse than our current leader here in the USA. I think - and it will take a few weeks to see for sure - that this incursion by Russia is nothing more than what the USA would do to Canada if Russia were to place "missile defense" systems there. It's a pre-emptive strike by Russia for their own defense. Look up how Zelensky - a Jewish citizen and comedian who plays the piano with his penis - came to power. It's as bad as how Biden was "installed". He's a CIA plant, and the goal was to squeeze Russia's exports. Seriously look it up. You want to prop him up? His own citizens don't either. And that's why Twitter / FB / Google are censoring most of the news about this incursion - it doesn't support their George Soros $ narrative.

And I would argue further that the US deep state, currently headed by the Pedo Puppet / WorstFakePresidentEver / Joe Biden, is far, far, far more dangerous to the world than Putin or Xi. And no, I'm not going to help anyone research that. figure it out. Seriously figure it out. And stop voting for "GreatHairPierre" and his ilk, Utah. Paid opposition. The R's and the D's - almost without exception - are not doing this country any favors.

As usual, these things are far more complicated than facebook / twitter / MSM will allow.

Bottom line: there are no good choices here. There are "bad choices" and "worse choices". The question before us in this thread seems to be:

"Is it right for Putin to invade Ukraine?"

And the answer, IMO - and from what I'm seeing right now - it's a defensive move. There would be worse consequences for the entire world down the road if Russia doesn't nip this one in the bud. Yes, Ukrainians and Russians will die. But more will die later if this conflates. I'm going to watch and see what happens - hopefully, the Diaper-In-Chief's handlers get a clue and lay low. Otherwise, it'll be our kids that die.

[Atrasado]

I think Putin is playing a very long game. We know that Biden, Hillary, and Obama have Russian/communist ties. For example, we know that they were completely compromised by the Uranium One deal. We also know that they were the ones who overthrew the pro-Russian Ukrainian government in 2014. Could it be that Putin arranged that so that in time he could have a causa belli while appearing patient and benevolent, at least to the Russian people? Could it be that the whole Russian-Trump thing was fabricated to cause Russian animosity towards Americans?

The Cabal, the Illuminati, the deep state, whatever you want to call them have had such a negative effect on the world that we naturally want to see someone, anyone take them on and destroy them. Maybe Putin is that guy. Maybe he's part of them. Maybe he's been part of them but really hates them and has engineered this situation so that he can destroy them. I don't know, but John wrote in the Book of Revelations that the whore (the Cabal) would be hated and would be burned with fire. If that's Putin, great. But that doesn't mean that Putin is our friend. That doesn't mean that he is going to go so far and no further. And it certainly doesn't mean he won't attack the United States because he will, eventually. It is inevitable.

[buffalo_girl]

Anyone else watch the UK Column News for 25February 2022? https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/ ... ruary-2022

I've attempted a post twice. Both were lost somewhere. Must have been meant to be.

Passages from Doctrine & Covenants 38, 88, 101, & 133 are relevant. I suggest reading each Section in its entirety.
I will post these passages from

Section 38
7 But behold, verily, verily, I say unto you that mine eyes are upon you. I am in your midst and ye cannot see me;
8 But the day soon cometh that ye shall see me, and know that I am; for the veil of darkness shall soon be rent, and he that is not purified shall not abide the day.
9 Wherefore, gird up your loins and be prepared. Behold, the kingdom is yours, and the enemy shall not overcome.
10 Verily I say unto you, ye are clean, but not all; and there is none else with whom I am well pleased;
11 For all flesh is corrupted before me; and the powers of darkness prevail upon the earth, among the children of men, in the presence of all the hosts of heaven—
12 Which causeth silence to reign, and all eternity is pained, and the angels are waiting the great command to reap down the earth, to gather the tares that they may be burned; and, behold, the enemy is combined.
13 And now I show unto you a mystery, a thing which is had in secret chambers, to bring to pass even your destruction in process of time, and ye knew it not;
28 And again, I say unto you that the enemy in the secret chambers seeketh your lives.
29 Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land.
30 I tell you these things because of your prayers; wherefore, treasure up wisdom in your bosoms, lest the wickedness of men reveal these things unto you by their wickedness, in a manner which shall speak in your ears with a voice louder than that which shall shake the earth; but if ye are prepared ye shall not fear.
31 And that ye might escape the power of the enemy, and be gathered unto me a righteous people, without spot and blameless

Perhaps it's best to hold off believing everything we are 'fed' by mainstream media before exploring broader documentation and opinion. Praying for the best outcome for both the Russian & Ukrainian people and for their respective leadership and influences might be a better use of our energy and emotional well being.

Holy Rus: a picture by the Russian painter Mikhail Nesterov, 1901-1906

The above painting of the Resurrected Christ visiting Russian People living near the White Sea depicts universal devotion to Christianity throughout the Orthodox Russian Church.

This religious concept developed through the ages in close connection with Orthodox Russian Christianity, which cannot be understood completely without the idea of Holy Rus.

The idea of Holy Rus can be explained as the idea of Kingdom of Heaven well-known to every Christian around the world, but developed in the realities of society of Central Eurasia under the strong influence of ancient East Slavic Orthodox Christian culture.

The idea made great impact on the emergence and development of many states and societies in East Europe and Central Eurasia through the centuries: the ancient principality of Rus (the Kievan Rus), the Russian principalities in the state structure of Mongol Empire, Empire of the Great Horde, the Russian Czardom and Russian Empire of the 16th to 20th centuries and even on the emergence and development of the Soviet Union which gave birth to the modern Russian, Ukrainian and Belarussian Republics:

[ajax]

Anyone else watch the UK Column News for 25February 2022? https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/ ... ruary-2022

<Raise hand> Meeeeeeee!

Love the painting btw.

[Sarah]

Putin and his conspirators have been creating this perception that freedom/democratic government equals chaos.

"Putin and his conspirators" and "freedom equals chaos" - lol. tell me it doesn't. And he's not wrong. With no morals left in the USA, look at what we've become. The rest of the world is saying, "no thanks!" It takes a moral society to prosper under freedom. Look at our country everywhere Democrats control. What we've had in the USA since Democrats took over our cities is nothing but chaos. Democrats are the party of death, destruction, and war. No self-respecting person on the planet would support that in their country. Believe it or not, folks actually want stability and a safe place to raise a family.

.....with the Facebook organizers originating from places like Romania and Vietnam and the Philippines.

he's not from facebook.

And here I thought I was a wacky tinfoil hat conspiracist.....SMH.

Lucifer knew what would happen when mankind excersised their moral agency. That's why he opposed it and offered his own alternative with no free agency. Righteousness by compulsion. Not a soul shall be lost.

It sure sounds as if you are repeating that argument. Correct me if I'm wrong, but all you are stating is the bad that can happen when humans exercise freedom. Perhaps you have lost all faith in humanity? Do you not see and live the benefits of liberty? Have you never seen the beauty and the glory of human beings exercising their agency for good?

You may feel that way now, but rest assured that when that argument was presented, you shot it down and stood with the Lord and with agency.

no, it's more sinister than that. I'm the most pro Liberty and Freedom person I know. Note that I said:

It takes a moral society to prosper under freedom.

America is not moral, and thus will not / cannot prosper. If you look up further, you'll find estimates that Russia is more Christian than America. As far as who should be influencing Ukraine - Russia or America, Russia clearly has more moral authority than the USA. We're in the middle of Helaman 6:1 - America and Russia have nearly swapped roles. If you can't see it, I invite you to open your eyes.

The MSM is still selling (and many like Sarah are buying) the idea that the Soviet Union is still the "1 square of toilet paper per day" country we knew back in the 1980's. They have moved far beyond those days.

Putin is not a good guy. He is also not worse than our current leader here in the USA. I think - and it will take a few weeks to see for sure - that this incursion by Russia is nothing more than what the USA would do to Canada if Russia were to place "missile defense" systems there. It's a pre-emptive strike by Russia for their own defense. Look up how Zelensky - a Jewish citizen and comedian who plays the piano with his penis - came to power. It's as bad as how Biden was "installed". He's a CIA plant, and the goal was to squeeze Russia's exports. Seriously look it up. You want to prop him up? His own citizens don't either. And that's why Twitter / FB / Google are censoring most of the news about this incursion - it doesn't support their George Soros $ narrative.

And I would argue further that the US deep state, currently headed by the Pedo Puppet / WorstFakePresidentEver / Joe Biden, is far, far, far more dangerous to the world than Putin or Xi. And no, I'm not going to help anyone research that. figure it out. Seriously figure it out. And stop voting for "GreatHairPierre" and his ilk, Utah. Paid opposition. The R's and the D's - almost without exception - are not doing this country any favors.

As usual, these things are far more complicated than facebook / twitter / MSM will allow.

Bottom line: there are no good choices here. There are "bad choices" and "worse choices". The question before us in this thread seems to be:

"Is it right for Putin to invade Ukraine?"

And the answer, IMO - and from what I'm seeing right now - it's a defensive move. There would be worse consequences for the entire world down the road if Russia doesn't nip this one in the bud. Yes, Ukrainians and Russians will die. But more will die later if this conflates. I'm going to watch and see what happens - hopefully, the Diaper-In-Chief's handlers get a clue and lay low. Otherwise, it'll be our kids that die.

How does "squeezing Russian exports" help the Western elites establish a one-world order?
How does having Zelenski as a leader help squeeze Russian exports?

[buffalo_girl]

...it's - 20F outside, the cats want out, but can't stand the cold & are having a civil war within our very small house. I have an urgent diplomatic mission to make dried-catnip toys in hopes of bringing about a cease fire.

The catnip toys were strategically deployed, and served to accomplish the intended mission. Everyone fell asleep for most of the afternoon, ate a bit when they awakened, and then went outdoors for a little fresh air and sunshine. Temps have risen to + 8F. warm enough for a frolic in the snow!

[Sarah]

Anyone else watch the UK Column News for 25February 2022? https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/ ... ruary-2022

I've attempted a post twice. Both were lost somewhere. Must have been meant to be.

Passages from Doctrine & Covenants 38, 88, 101, & 133 are relevant. I suggest reading each Section in its entirety.
I will post these passages from

Section 38
7 But behold, verily, verily, I say unto you that mine eyes are upon you. I am in your midst and ye cannot see me;
8 But the day soon cometh that ye shall see me, and know that I am; for the veil of darkness shall soon be rent, and he that is not purified shall not abide the day.
9 Wherefore, gird up your loins and be prepared. Behold, the kingdom is yours, and the enemy shall not overcome.
10 Verily I say unto you, ye are clean, but not all; and there is none else with whom I am well pleased;
11 For all flesh is corrupted before me; and the powers of darkness prevail upon the earth, among the children of men, in the presence of all the hosts of heaven—
12 Which causeth silence to reign, and all eternity is pained, and the angels are waiting the great command to reap down the earth, to gather the tares that they may be burned; and, behold, the enemy is combined.
13 And now I show unto you a mystery, a thing which is had in secret chambers, to bring to pass even your destruction in process of time, and ye knew it not;
28 And again, I say unto you that the enemy in the secret chambers seeketh your lives.
29 Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land.
30 I tell you these things because of your prayers; wherefore, treasure up wisdom in your bosoms, lest the wickedness of men reveal these things unto you by their wickedness, in a manner which shall speak in your ears with a voice louder than that which shall shake the earth; but if ye are prepared ye shall not fear.
31 And that ye might escape the power of the enemy, and be gathered unto me a righteous people, without spot and blameless

Perhaps it's best to hold off believing everything we are 'fed' by mainstream media before exploring broader documentation and opinion. Praying for the best outcome for both the Russian & Ukrainian people and for their respective leadership and influences might be a better use of our energy and emotional well being.

Holy Rus: a picture by the Russian painter Mikhail Nesterov, 1901-1906

The above painting of the Resurrected Christ visiting Russian People living near the White Sea depicts universal devotion to Christianity throughout the Orthodox Russian Church.

This religious concept developed through the ages in close connection with Orthodox Russian Christianity, which cannot be understood completely without the idea of Holy Rus.

The idea of Holy Rus can be explained as the idea of Kingdom of Heaven well-known to every Christian around the world, but developed in the realities of society of Central Eurasia under the strong influence of ancient East Slavic Orthodox Christian culture.

The idea made great impact on the emergence and development of many states and societies in East Europe and Central Eurasia through the centuries: the ancient principality of Rus (the Kievan Rus), the Russian principalities in the state structure of Mongol Empire, Empire of the Great Horde, the Russian Czardom and Russian Empire of the 16th to 20th centuries and even on the emergence and development of the Soviet Union which gave birth to the modern Russian, Ukrainian and Belarussian Republics:

I started listening, and the first argument is that Putin needed to protect the people in the Donbass.
He should have simply offered them citizenship in Russia - not kill innocent people for the last 8 years and counting in an attempt at a land-grab.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... gle-state/

"However, open borders is not the same as no borders. Fewer than one-in-five Ukrainians (12%) and Russians (16%) think the two countries should unite as a single state. Those living in Ukraine’s East (26%) and South (19%) are somewhat more enthusiastic about the idea of reuniting Ukraine and Russia, but support falls to the single digits in the country’s Center (5%) and West (1%). Similarly, a 32%-minority of Russian-speakers think the two countries should merge, compared with just 9% among Ukrainian-speakers.

Here's some more surveys

https://uacrisis.org/en/55302-ukraine-identity

Public Opinion Survey Residents of Ukraine - International ...
https://www.iri.org › sites › default › files › 2014 ...
PDF

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front ... n-ukraine/

When asked whether or not the rights of the Russian-speaking population were being infringed upon, 71.5 percent of all respondents said that they were not (23.1 percent said yes). Residents of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts were much more likely to say that the rights of Russian-speakers were being disregarded, but they were still very much a minority.
On Russian Interference in Ukraine:

When asked if they agreed with the statement “Russia is illegally interfering in the internal affairs of Ukraine,” the number of all respondents answering yes was 54.1 percent. Those who answered no were 32 percent, with 12.8 percent answering that it was “hard to say.”

[Sarah]

More from the Brookings link:

When asked about the possibility of their oblast splitting from Ukraine and joining Russia, the numbers supporting such a move in Donetsk and Luhansk were still far under 50 percent. And only 25 percent of Luhansk and Donetsk residents were prepared to take to the streets in support of protests that called for the unification of their oblast with Russia. In Kharkiv, that number was only 15 percent.
On Seizure of Public Buildings:

A strong majority of those polled – 60.1 percent – categorically do not support those “who, with weapons in hand, seize administrative buildings” in their oblasts. Another 16.7 percent generally do not support such seizures. Only 11.7 percent completely or generally supported building seizures.

Support for building seizures was higher, though not much, in Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, where most building seizures have taken place. While majorities in those oblasts were against the seizures, 18.1 percent of Donetsk respondents and 24.4 percent of Luhansk respondents were supportive.

Significant portions (8.4 percent in Donetsk and 15.6 percent in Luhansk) were sometimes supportive and sometimes not. In neighboring Kharkiv, support for building seizures is at 10.1 percent.

[buffalo_girl]

My, Sarah, you have a ready answer for absolutely every thing! Your typing speed?

[1775peasant]

seriously!!!

the Brookings Institute??? lol…..just another shill for the Bolsheviks, look whom the Brookings Institute consistently finically supports, this is why they push the Satanic Leftist/Bolshevik narratives….!!!

if posters here can’t see it for themselves, yet? the windows just got cleaned!

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/brooki ... D000032148

[nightlight]

Russia would take all 1980s land back if they could.
Lol this is obvious, I'd do the same. Any one of you who thinks different are delusional Putin fanboys.

The west is corrupt and playing devil's advocate....this is also obvious

Both these things can be true at the same time

It seems like you guys trying to rationalize what bully is the better man. They're both false

To hell with communist clowns everywhere.... And their faux republics

To hell with bilderberg/NATO

And underneath it all....this is just a macro version of America's false left right nonsense

[Sarah]

seriously!!!

the Brookings Institute??? lol…..just another shill for the Bolsheviks, look whom the Brookings Institute consistently finically supports, this is why they push the Satanic Leftist/Bolshevik narratives….!!!

if posters here can’t see it for themselves, yet? the windows just got cleaned!

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/brooki ... D000032148

They made donations to Dems, so that makes the Satanic?

[mudflap]

Anyone else watch the UK Column News for 25February 2022? https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/ ... ruary-2022

I've attempted a post twice. Both were lost somewhere. Must have been meant to be.

Passages from Doctrine & Covenants 38, 88, 101, & 133 are relevant. I suggest reading each Section in its entirety.
I will post these passages from

Section 38
7 But behold, verily, verily, I say unto you that mine eyes are upon you. I am in your midst and ye cannot see me;
8 But the day soon cometh that ye shall see me, and know that I am; for the veil of darkness shall soon be rent, and he that is not purified shall not abide the day.
9 Wherefore, gird up your loins and be prepared. Behold, the kingdom is yours, and the enemy shall not overcome.
10 Verily I say unto you, ye are clean, but not all; and there is none else with whom I am well pleased;
11 For all flesh is corrupted before me; and the powers of darkness prevail upon the earth, among the children of men, in the presence of all the hosts of heaven—
12 Which causeth silence to reign, and all eternity is pained, and the angels are waiting the great command to reap down the earth, to gather the tares that they may be burned; and, behold, the enemy is combined.
13 And now I show unto you a mystery, a thing which is had in secret chambers, to bring to pass even your destruction in process of time, and ye knew it not;
28 And again, I say unto you that the enemy in the secret chambers seeketh your lives.
29 Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land.
30 I tell you these things because of your prayers; wherefore, treasure up wisdom in your bosoms, lest the wickedness of men reveal these things unto you by their wickedness, in a manner which shall speak in your ears with a voice louder than that which shall shake the earth; but if ye are prepared ye shall not fear.
31 And that ye might escape the power of the enemy, and be gathered unto me a righteous people, without spot and blameless

Perhaps it's best to hold off believing everything we are 'fed' by mainstream media before exploring broader documentation and opinion. Praying for the best outcome for both the Russian & Ukrainian people and for their respective leadership and influences might be a better use of our energy and emotional well being.

Holy Rus: a picture by the Russian painter Mikhail Nesterov, 1901-1906

The above painting of the Resurrected Christ visiting Russian People living near the White Sea depicts universal devotion to Christianity throughout the Orthodox Russian Church.

This religious concept developed through the ages in close connection with Orthodox Russian Christianity, which cannot be understood completely without the idea of Holy Rus.

The idea of Holy Rus can be explained as the idea of Kingdom of Heaven well-known to every Christian around the world, but developed in the realities of society of Central Eurasia under the strong influence of ancient East Slavic Orthodox Christian culture.

The idea made great impact on the emergence and development of many states and societies in East Europe and Central Eurasia through the centuries: the ancient principality of Rus (the Kievan Rus), the Russian principalities in the state structure of Mongol Empire, Empire of the Great Horde, the Russian Czardom and Russian Empire of the 16th to 20th centuries and even on the emergence and development of the Soviet Union which gave birth to the modern Russian, Ukrainian and Belarussian Republics:

I started listening, and the first argument is that Putin needed to protect the people in the Donbass.
He should have simply offered them citizenship in Russia - not kill innocent people for the last 8 years and counting in an attempt at a land-grab.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... gle-state/

"However, open borders is not the same as no borders. Fewer than one-in-five Ukrainians (12%) and Russians (16%) think the two countries should unite as a single state. Those living in Ukraine’s East (26%) and South (19%) are somewhat more enthusiastic about the idea of reuniting Ukraine and Russia, but support falls to the single digits in the country’s Center (5%) and West (1%). Similarly, a 32%-minority of Russian-speakers think the two countries should merge, compared with just 9% among Ukrainian-speakers.

Here's some more surveys

https://uacrisis.org/en/55302-ukraine-identity

Public Opinion Survey Residents of Ukraine - International ...
https://www.iri.org › sites › default › files › 2014 ...
PDF

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front ... n-ukraine/

When asked whether or not the rights of the Russian-speaking population were being infringed upon, 71.5 percent of all respondents said that they were not (23.1 percent said yes). Residents of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts were much more likely to say that the rights of Russian-speakers were being disregarded, but they were still very much a minority.
On Russian Interference in Ukraine:

When asked if they agreed with the statement “Russia is illegally interfering in the internal affairs of Ukraine,” the number of all respondents answering yes was 54.1 percent. Those who answered no were 32 percent, with 12.8 percent answering that it was “hard to say.”

All your polls are old, just like (sorry) your thinking about Russia's intentions. NPR - yes THAT NPR - even published a piece in January 2022:

first he promised to fight corruption, which is really rampant in Ukraine. He also said he wanted to reach a compromise with President Putin of Russia, and he wanted to bring peace to the Donbas region of Ukraine, which Russian-backed separatists took control of in 2014. Today, though, as of last week, a poll shows that 30% only support this president.

Quite the precipitous drop. Ukraine is not now, and has not been "Democratic" for a long time. More on "democracy" below.... They are pulled between Russia and whatever CIA installed puppet president they have.

One of your links - the "Ukraine Crisis center" on their "about" page:

A free and democratic world, with Ukraine as the integral part of the West. Ukraine is an outpost of freedom and democratic development in Eastern Europe

A-hem. cough cough, corruption in Ukraine? Freedom? Or are you all for Hunter Biden and "The Big Guy" getting paid millions for their "expertise" in gas pipelines. You still haven't researched Burisma / Romney / Cofer Black / Hunter Biden? Maybe by "democratic" they mean "a large oil and gas interest running the country that favors America"? Democrats use the word "democratic" when they really mean "Democratic" - as in: "an outcome that supports the Democrat party" - it doesn't mean "a majority of people votes...."- not to them, anyway. So, welcome to 2022.

Also, on the Ukraine Crisis center - they support an independent Ukraine - do they realize how Zelenskyy received millions from a corrupt Oligarch (Kolomoysky, another CIA stooge), and that's pretty much how he won the presidency? doesn't sound too democratic, does it? And they receive funding from USAID, a very corrupt organization - look it up. For a very deep dive on this (with links!) check out: https://thesaker.is/here-is-the-dirt-tr ... the-press/

Meanwhile, Putin is ready to negotiate with a disarmed (less hostile, maybe?) Ukraine.

[Being There]

[Sarah]

Anyone else watch the UK Column News for 25February 2022? https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/ ... ruary-2022

I've attempted a post twice. Both were lost somewhere. Must have been meant to be.

Passages from Doctrine & Covenants 38, 88, 101, & 133 are relevant. I suggest reading each Section in its entirety.
I will post these passages from

Section 38
7 But behold, verily, verily, I say unto you that mine eyes are upon you. I am in your midst and ye cannot see me;
8 But the day soon cometh that ye shall see me, and know that I am; for the veil of darkness shall soon be rent, and he that is not purified shall not abide the day.
9 Wherefore, gird up your loins and be prepared. Behold, the kingdom is yours, and the enemy shall not overcome.
10 Verily I say unto you, ye are clean, but not all; and there is none else with whom I am well pleased;
11 For all flesh is corrupted before me; and the powers of darkness prevail upon the earth, among the children of men, in the presence of all the hosts of heaven—
12 Which causeth silence to reign, and all eternity is pained, and the angels are waiting the great command to reap down the earth, to gather the tares that they may be burned; and, behold, the enemy is combined.
13 And now I show unto you a mystery, a thing which is had in secret chambers, to bring to pass even your destruction in process of time, and ye knew it not;
28 And again, I say unto you that the enemy in the secret chambers seeketh your lives.
29 Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land.
30 I tell you these things because of your prayers; wherefore, treasure up wisdom in your bosoms, lest the wickedness of men reveal these things unto you by their wickedness, in a manner which shall speak in your ears with a voice louder than that which shall shake the earth; but if ye are prepared ye shall not fear.
31 And that ye might escape the power of the enemy, and be gathered unto me a righteous people, without spot and blameless

Perhaps it's best to hold off believing everything we are 'fed' by mainstream media before exploring broader documentation and opinion. Praying for the best outcome for both the Russian & Ukrainian people and for their respective leadership and influences might be a better use of our energy and emotional well being.

Holy Rus: a picture by the Russian painter Mikhail Nesterov, 1901-1906

The above painting of the Resurrected Christ visiting Russian People living near the White Sea depicts universal devotion to Christianity throughout the Orthodox Russian Church.

This religious concept developed through the ages in close connection with Orthodox Russian Christianity, which cannot be understood completely without the idea of Holy Rus.

The idea of Holy Rus can be explained as the idea of Kingdom of Heaven well-known to every Christian around the world, but developed in the realities of society of Central Eurasia under the strong influence of ancient East Slavic Orthodox Christian culture.

The idea made great impact on the emergence and development of many states and societies in East Europe and Central Eurasia through the centuries: the ancient principality of Rus (the Kievan Rus), the Russian principalities in the state structure of Mongol Empire, Empire of the Great Horde, the Russian Czardom and Russian Empire of the 16th to 20th centuries and even on the emergence and development of the Soviet Union which gave birth to the modern Russian, Ukrainian and Belarussian Republics:

I started listening, and the first argument is that Putin needed to protect the people in the Donbass.
He should have simply offered them citizenship in Russia - not kill innocent people for the last 8 years and counting in an attempt at a land-grab.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... gle-state/

"However, open borders is not the same as no borders. Fewer than one-in-five Ukrainians (12%) and Russians (16%) think the two countries should unite as a single state. Those living in Ukraine’s East (26%) and South (19%) are somewhat more enthusiastic about the idea of reuniting Ukraine and Russia, but support falls to the single digits in the country’s Center (5%) and West (1%). Similarly, a 32%-minority of Russian-speakers think the two countries should merge, compared with just 9% among Ukrainian-speakers.

Here's some more surveys

https://uacrisis.org/en/55302-ukraine-identity

Public Opinion Survey Residents of Ukraine - International ...
https://www.iri.org › sites › default › files › 2014 ...
PDF

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front ... n-ukraine/

When asked whether or not the rights of the Russian-speaking population were being infringed upon, 71.5 percent of all respondents said that they were not (23.1 percent said yes). Residents of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts were much more likely to say that the rights of Russian-speakers were being disregarded, but they were still very much a minority.
On Russian Interference in Ukraine:

When asked if they agreed with the statement “Russia is illegally interfering in the internal affairs of Ukraine,” the number of all respondents answering yes was 54.1 percent. Those who answered no were 32 percent, with 12.8 percent answering that it was “hard to say.”

All your polls are old, just like (sorry) your thinking about Russia's intentions. NPR - yes THAT NPR - even published a piece in January 2022:

first he promised to fight corruption, which is really rampant in Ukraine. He also said he wanted to reach a compromise with President Putin of Russia, and he wanted to bring peace to the Donbas region of Ukraine, which Russian-backed separatists took control of in 2014. Today, though, as of last week, a poll shows that 30% only support this president.

Quite the precipitous drop. Ukraine is not now, and has not been "Democratic" for a long time. More on "democracy" below.... They are pulled between Russia and whatever CIA installed puppet president they have.

One of your links - the "Ukraine Crisis center" on their "about" page:

A free and democratic world, with Ukraine as the integral part of the West. Ukraine is an outpost of freedom and democratic development in Eastern Europe

A-hem. cough cough, corruption in Ukraine? Freedom? Or are you all for Hunter Biden and "The Big Guy" getting paid millions for their "expertise" in gas pipelines. You still haven't researched Burisma / Romney / Cofer Black / Hunter Biden? Maybe by "democratic" they mean "a large oil and gas interest running the country that favors America"? Democrats use the word "democratic" when they really mean "Democratic" - as in: "an outcome that supports the Democrat party" - it doesn't mean "a majority of people votes...."- not to them, anyway. So, welcome to 2022.

Also, on the Ukraine Crisis center - they support an independent Ukraine - do they realize how Zelenskyy received millions from a corrupt Oligarch (Kolomoysky, another CIA stooge), and that's pretty much how he won the presidency? doesn't sound too democratic, does it? And they receive funding from USAID, a very corrupt organization - look it up. For a very deep dive on this (with links!) check out: https://thesaker.is/here-is-the-dirt-tr ... the-press/

Meanwhile, Putin is ready to negotiate with a disarmed (less hostile, maybe?) Ukraine.

You can quote NPR but I shouldn't quote any liberal source

I found the NPR article you got that quote from. Kind of a fluff piece that interviews one or two people. The real question is why Zelensky's approval has gone down, which the article didn't dive into. The answer from the one people interviewed is that he hasn't kept his promises. And the reality is, many don't see him as being tough enough. From the article:

"When he was becoming president, he said, I will stop the war. He has been the president for two - more than two years right now. The war is still going.
When he was running for president, he said he would fight nepotism. He even had this campaign video where he asked people for ideas. Who should I appoint for roles like the head of the Ukrainian FBI?
He says in this video, who likes it when the president appoints his best man or his friend from the army? That's been happening in Ukraine for years. But then he did just that. He appointed the head of his own television production studio to be the head of the Ukrainian version of the FBI. And there are reports that dozens of others in government have connections to his TV company or his family. So that was one promise he didn't keep, and the other promise Zelenskyy made was that he was going to talk with Putin and find a peaceful solution to the Ukrainian territories that Russia exerts control over. That didn't happen.

It sounds to me that Zelensky is there for the opportunity for power in influence. How loyal he is to Ukraine or Russia or to the West, I don't know but it doesn't matter, because as I've been arguing the last few days, the West has been helping Russia, so any meddling we do is to help them, perhaps even installing their puppets.

You say his major donor is Kolomoyskyi, and he is a CIA puppet. I'd like to see your evidence for that. It's more likely he is compromised and working for Putin. He obviously is very rich - a billionaire and thought to be the second or third richest person in Ukraine. He is the leading partner of Privat Group. From wiki - "Privat Group controls thousands of companies of virtually every industry in Ukraine, the European Union, Georgia, Ghana, Russia, the United States and other countries." This site also lists a Metallurgy Plant in Russia they own, which Putin could shut down if he wanted to hurt this guy.

Apparently Kolomoyski also supported Yushchenko, who while appeared to be anti Russian, did have signs he was compromised:

"In August 2006, Yushchenko appointed his onetime opponent in the presidential race, Viktor Yanukovych, to be the new Prime Minister. This was generally regarded as indicating a rapprochement with Russia.[34]"

So you can't trust any of these guys who say they are pro-Ukrainian independence, anti-corruption. They are all corrupt, and they all have ties to Russia one way or the other. And many Ukrainians recognize that the corruption stems from being compromised by Putin's influence.

[Sarah]

Please provide the proof that all these people have children working for Ukrainian Gas companies. I know Romney does not. It was a former advisor of his that had the connection. No doubt Russia's attempt to lure one of his guys in to have something bad to say about Romney.

[Sarah]

Anyone else watch the UK Column News for 25February 2022? https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/ ... ruary-2022

I've attempted a post twice. Both were lost somewhere. Must have been meant to be.

Passages from Doctrine & Covenants 38, 88, 101, & 133 are relevant. I suggest reading each Section in its entirety.
I will post these passages from

Section 38
7 But behold, verily, verily, I say unto you that mine eyes are upon you. I am in your midst and ye cannot see me;
8 But the day soon cometh that ye shall see me, and know that I am; for the veil of darkness shall soon be rent, and he that is not purified shall not abide the day.
9 Wherefore, gird up your loins and be prepared. Behold, the kingdom is yours, and the enemy shall not overcome.
10 Verily I say unto you, ye are clean, but not all; and there is none else with whom I am well pleased;
11 For all flesh is corrupted before me; and the powers of darkness prevail upon the earth, among the children of men, in the presence of all the hosts of heaven—
12 Which causeth silence to reign, and all eternity is pained, and the angels are waiting the great command to reap down the earth, to gather the tares that they may be burned; and, behold, the enemy is combined.
13 And now I show unto you a mystery, a thing which is had in secret chambers, to bring to pass even your destruction in process of time, and ye knew it not;
28 And again, I say unto you that the enemy in the secret chambers seeketh your lives.
29 Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land.
30 I tell you these things because of your prayers; wherefore, treasure up wisdom in your bosoms, lest the wickedness of men reveal these things unto you by their wickedness, in a manner which shall speak in your ears with a voice louder than that which shall shake the earth; but if ye are prepared ye shall not fear.
31 And that ye might escape the power of the enemy, and be gathered unto me a righteous people, without spot and blameless

Perhaps it's best to hold off believing everything we are 'fed' by mainstream media before exploring broader documentation and opinion. Praying for the best outcome for both the Russian & Ukrainian people and for their respective leadership and influences might be a better use of our energy and emotional well being.

Holy Rus: a picture by the Russian painter Mikhail Nesterov, 1901-1906

The above painting of the Resurrected Christ visiting Russian People living near the White Sea depicts universal devotion to Christianity throughout the Orthodox Russian Church.

This religious concept developed through the ages in close connection with Orthodox Russian Christianity, which cannot be understood completely without the idea of Holy Rus.

The idea of Holy Rus can be explained as the idea of Kingdom of Heaven well-known to every Christian around the world, but developed in the realities of society of Central Eurasia under the strong influence of ancient East Slavic Orthodox Christian culture.

The idea made great impact on the emergence and development of many states and societies in East Europe and Central Eurasia through the centuries: the ancient principality of Rus (the Kievan Rus), the Russian principalities in the state structure of Mongol Empire, Empire of the Great Horde, the Russian Czardom and Russian Empire of the 16th to 20th centuries and even on the emergence and development of the Soviet Union which gave birth to the modern Russian, Ukrainian and Belarussian Republics:

I started listening, and the first argument is that Putin needed to protect the people in the Donbass.
He should have simply offered them citizenship in Russia - not kill innocent people for the last 8 years and counting in an attempt at a land-grab.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... gle-state/

"However, open borders is not the same as no borders. Fewer than one-in-five Ukrainians (12%) and Russians (16%) think the two countries should unite as a single state. Those living in Ukraine’s East (26%) and South (19%) are somewhat more enthusiastic about the idea of reuniting Ukraine and Russia, but support falls to the single digits in the country’s Center (5%) and West (1%). Similarly, a 32%-minority of Russian-speakers think the two countries should merge, compared with just 9% among Ukrainian-speakers.

Here's some more surveys

https://uacrisis.org/en/55302-ukraine-identity

Public Opinion Survey Residents of Ukraine - International ...
https://www.iri.org › sites › default › files › 2014 ...
PDF

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front ... n-ukraine/

When asked whether or not the rights of the Russian-speaking population were being infringed upon, 71.5 percent of all respondents said that they were not (23.1 percent said yes). Residents of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts were much more likely to say that the rights of Russian-speakers were being disregarded, but they were still very much a minority.
On Russian Interference in Ukraine:

When asked if they agreed with the statement “Russia is illegally interfering in the internal affairs of Ukraine,” the number of all respondents answering yes was 54.1 percent. Those who answered no were 32 percent, with 12.8 percent answering that it was “hard to say.”

All your polls are old, just like (sorry) your thinking about Russia's intentions. NPR - yes THAT NPR - even published a piece in January 2022:

first he promised to fight corruption, which is really rampant in Ukraine. He also said he wanted to reach a compromise with President Putin of Russia, and he wanted to bring peace to the Donbas region of Ukraine, which Russian-backed separatists took control of in 2014. Today, though, as of last week, a poll shows that 30% only support this president.

Quite the precipitous drop. Ukraine is not now, and has not been "Democratic" for a long time. More on "democracy" below.... They are pulled between Russia and whatever CIA installed puppet president they have.

One of your links - the "Ukraine Crisis center" on their "about" page:

A free and democratic world, with Ukraine as the integral part of the West. Ukraine is an outpost of freedom and democratic development in Eastern Europe

A-hem. cough cough, corruption in Ukraine? Freedom? Or are you all for Hunter Biden and "The Big Guy" getting paid millions for their "expertise" in gas pipelines. You still haven't researched Burisma / Romney / Cofer Black / Hunter Biden? Maybe by "democratic" they mean "a large oil and gas interest running the country that favors America"? Democrats use the word "democratic" when they really mean "Democratic" - as in: "an outcome that supports the Democrat party" - it doesn't mean "a majority of people votes...."- not to them, anyway. So, welcome to 2022.

Also, on the Ukraine Crisis center - they support an independent Ukraine - do they realize how Zelenskyy received millions from a corrupt Oligarch (Kolomoysky, another CIA stooge), and that's pretty much how he won the presidency? doesn't sound too democratic, does it? And they receive funding from USAID, a very corrupt organization - look it up. For a very deep dive on this (with links!) check out: https://thesaker.is/here-is-the-dirt-tr ... the-press/

Meanwhile, Putin is ready to negotiate with a disarmed (less hostile, maybe?) Ukraine.

Also, I guess you didn't see my previous post about Burisma where I said this:

"Regarding the Hunter Biden Burisma connection. I've pointed out before, that the relationship of Hunter with Ukraine was a set-up by Russia in order to hang this scandal over Biden's head - really for this very moment. The plan was to get the American liberals to look like they were in bed with Ukrainians, and Trump to look like he was in bed with Russia, so they could have this staged left/right, dem/repub battle, that in the end made our government look foolish for thinking Trump had colluded. The Russians set up the meeting with Trump's team. And Burisma set up the connection with the Biden's. Well, I just confirmed my suspicion with more evidence, in that the President of Burisma worked first many years in the Ukrainian government with two pro-russia, puppets of Putin. The logical conclusion then is that he too was pro-russia, and a puppet of Putin. His energy company set up the relationship with Hunter as a trap essentially. Russia does this all the time, setting up meetings with people to be used against them, or like in this case, be able to establish a narrative."

He served with Azarov and Yanukovych - Putin puppets. So the Biden scandal was set up by Russia sympathizers. Putin has threatened and bought off all the rich and powerful in these former Soviet states. And as we speak, he's demonstrating that he has the military might to enforce whatever his will is.

[gruden2.0]

How does "squeezing Russian exports" help the Western elites establish a one-world order?
How does having Zelenski as a leader help squeeze Russian exports?

If you don't know the answer to that question you haven't been paying enough attention. But here's a piece to the puzzle:

[gruden2.0]