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It's odd, but I'm almost nostalgic for Monson. Somehow his tenure seems better now. Conference talks about helping widows, no shame in the name Mormon, and not hearing members telling me every week how sick they feel from what Nelson terms the godsend.

Whatever Monson's many faults, and Nelson's correct decisions (he has made one or two)... he seems a vast improvement on this mess. At least back then, I could grumble but still feel a part of it. Now I don't just grumble, I feel like I'm barely in, and I struggle to get my POV over in ward council.

Things have definitely collapsed. The first part of Nelson's reign was tolerable, but then this global situations came along and it's gone from bad to worse.

I know many of you will say the rot was around back then. You'd be right. You could also mention his involvement with East Germany which is controversial.

Niemand wrote: ↑January 6th, 2022, 7:51 am It's odd, but I'm almost nostalgic for Monson. Somehow his tenure seems better now. Conference talks about helping widows, no shame in the name Mormon, and not hearing members telling me every week how sick they feel from what Nelson terms the godsend.

Whatever Monson's many faults, and Nelson's correct decisions (he has made one or two)... he seems a vast improvement on this mess. At least back then, I could grumble but still feel a part of it. Now I don't just grumble, I feel like I'm barely in, and I struggle to get my POV over in ward council.

Things have definitely collapsed. The first part of Nelson's reign was tolerable, but then this global situations came along and it's gone from bad to worse.

I know many of you will say the rot was around back then. You'd be right. You could also mention his involvement with East Germany which is controversial.

the apostasy of the church was long.... before Monson.
But Monson just finished it, and put the icing on the cake.

and as I've said before -

***
Building Babylon BIGGER.
building expensive shopping malls for only the rich.

It's obvious the Lord's church has been corrupted by men that care more about making money - $100B+
Building Babylon Bigger, than they do in sharing the true Gospel and doctrine of Christ
and being an example of it.

The church is really a corporate conglomerate -
The Corporation of the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter - day Saints.
"The Mormon church is actually a corporate conglomerate.
Behind the religious front are dozens of companies earning hundreds of millions of dollars a year." .

I guess that's the goal of the restored gospel - is to make as much money as it can. (100B+)
so we can build Billion dollar Shopping Malls and lead the way in Babylon, and show just what a great example
we are to all the World.

And I was unaware that this was one of the responsibilities of prophets and apostles
and what the Lord would want them to be doing.

"When it came time to cut the mall’s flouncy pink ribbon, Monson, flanked by Utah dignitaries, cheered,
"1 2 3 Let's Go Shopping!"

I know what you mean, and you are right, I would say the rot was around back then, BUT I understand where you are coming from.

I was in my late teens when he took over and one thing that always stood out to me in a concerning way (little did I know how much this would grow in my heart and shape me later on), he rarely seemed to testify of the Book of Mormon or talk powerfully about it.

That was very jarring for me. He's the prophet and he seems to not have anything profound to teach or say about the Book of Mormon. His talks about looking after widows were nice and the truth of life after death, and I agree with the general point of your thread, but I remember feeling like conference talks felt like a wounded animal stepping away from a fight and deciding to try and stop bleeding it was experiencing. It felt like there was a real effort to back off the Book of Mormon to me.

There was even an anti-Mormon thesis paper made on this topic called "Monson's refusal to testify" about him really coming off as someone with nothing to say about the Book of Mormon:

"Thomas S. Monson, the president of the LDS church has not borne testimony of any of his church's unique foundational doctrines--including the truth of the Book of Mormon or the prophetic calling of Joseph Smith--in any of the church's General Conference meetings since October of 2005.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/159313089/Mo ... to-Testify


While I don't love the anti-Mormon scope of the article, I agree with the point of it. That man (I don't think he was a prophet, no offense to anyone) just didn't seem interested in testifying of the warnings, messages and implications of the Book of Mormon.

I see Monson's run as the end of classic-modern day Mormonism. We're in a post-modern Mormon world now. The safe/easy side of Mormonism is more corporate, self-congratulatory and flowery than ever while an awakening is occurring in a growing amount of believers who see the TCOJCOLDS does not need to be true in order for the Book of Mormon to be true.

I really miss President Hinkley. Hearing his distinct voice and powerful testimony are comforting. Here's his testimony shortly before he passed.

His son was a sexual predator, and it was covered up and tucked away. I have a hard time believing he didn’t have any knowledge of the crimes or the solution.

I met him, when I was a 1 year old baby.

crabman wrote: ↑January 6th, 2022, 11:43 pm I really miss President Hinkley. Hearing his distinct voice and powerful testimony are comforting. Here's his testimony shortly before he passed.

In England, no less

crabman wrote: ↑January 6th, 2022, 11:43 pm I really miss President Hinkley. Hearing his distinct voice and powerful testimony are comforting. Here's his testimony shortly before he passed.

President Hinkley is a faker also. Words are cheap. He was no prophet, but I'll grant you he was all about profit.

Luke wrote: ↑January 7th, 2022, 12:16 am I met him, when I was a 1 year old baby.

And he was never the same since.

Luke wrote: ↑January 7th, 2022, 12:16 am I met him, when I was a 1 year old baby.

IIRC, He was my nameless friend’s bishop and he spoke about the Survivor Tree.

Niemand wrote: ↑January 6th, 2022, 7:51 am It's odd, but I'm almost nostalgic for Monson. Somehow his tenure seems better now. Conference talks about helping widows, no shame in the name Mormon, and not hearing members telling me every week how sick they feel from what Nelson terms the godsend.

Whatever Monson's many faults, and Nelson's correct decisions (he has made one or two)... he seems a vast improvement on this mess. At least back then, I could grumble but still feel a part of it. Now I don't just grumble, I feel like I'm barely in, and I struggle to get my POV over in ward council.

Things have definitely collapsed. The first part of Nelson's reign was tolerable, but then this global situations came along and it's gone from bad to worse.

I know many of you will say the rot was around back then. You'd be right. You could also mention his involvement with East Germany which is controversial.

Yes, I feel exactly the same way. My respect for Monson went up when I heard that he refused to meet with Obama. It’s like fondly remembering the Church in the Old World Order compared to our current New World Order First Presidency.

Niemand wrote: ↑January 6th, 2022, 7:51 am It's odd, but I'm almost nostalgic for Monson. Somehow his tenure seems better now. Conference talks about helping widows, no shame in the name Mormon, and not hearing members telling me every week how sick they feel from what Nelson terms the godsend.

Whatever Monson's many faults, and Nelson's correct decisions (he has made one or two)... he seems a vast improvement on this mess. At least back then, I could grumble but still feel a part of it. Now I don't just grumble, I feel like I'm barely in, and I struggle to get my POV over in ward council.

Things have definitely collapsed. The first part of Nelson's reign was tolerable, but then this global situations came along and it's gone from bad to worse.

I know many of you will say the rot was around back then. You'd be right. You could also mention his involvement with East Germany which is controversial.

I remember seeing the token handshake with George W Bush. Anyone welded remember that?

sandman45 wrote: ↑January 7th, 2022, 5:25 pm

Niemand wrote: ↑January 6th, 2022, 7:51 am It's odd, but I'm almost nostalgic for Monson. Somehow his tenure seems better now. Conference talks about helping widows, no shame in the name Mormon, and not hearing members telling me every week how sick they feel from what Nelson terms the godsend.

Whatever Monson's many faults, and Nelson's correct decisions (he has made one or two)... he seems a vast improvement on this mess. At least back then, I could grumble but still feel a part of it. Now I don't just grumble, I feel like I'm barely in, and I struggle to get my POV over in ward council.

Things have definitely collapsed. The first part of Nelson's reign was tolerable, but then this global situations came along and it's gone from bad to worse.

I know many of you will say the rot was around back then. You'd be right. You could also mention his involvement with East Germany which is controversial.

I remember seeing the token handshake with George W Bush. Anyone welded remember that?

you mean this one

SPIRIT wrote: ↑January 7th, 2022, 5:36 pm

sandman45 wrote: ↑January 7th, 2022, 5:25 pm

Niemand wrote: ↑January 6th, 2022, 7:51 am It's odd, but I'm almost nostalgic for Monson. Somehow his tenure seems better now. Conference talks about helping widows, no shame in the name Mormon, and not hearing members telling me every week how sick they feel from what Nelson terms the godsend.

Whatever Monson's many faults, and Nelson's correct decisions (he has made one or two)... he seems a vast improvement on this mess. At least back then, I could grumble but still feel a part of it. Now I don't just grumble, I feel like I'm barely in, and I struggle to get my POV over in ward council.

Things have definitely collapsed. The first part of Nelson's reign was tolerable, but then this global situations came along and it's gone from bad to worse.

I know many of you will say the rot was around back then. You'd be right. You could also mention his involvement with East Germany which is controversial.

I remember seeing the token handshake with George W Bush. Anyone welded remember that?

you mean this one

Yes that one

endlessismyname wrote: ↑January 7th, 2022, 12:01 am His son was a sexual predator, and it was covered up and tucked away. I have a hard time believing he didn’t have any knowledge of the crimes or the solution.

Could you share the details on this?

Especially on how it was covered up.

Thanks.

Sir H

HVDC wrote: ↑January 8th, 2022, 3:08 am

endlessismyname wrote: ↑January 7th, 2022, 12:01 am His son was a sexual predator, and it was covered up and tucked away. I have a hard time believing he didn’t have any knowledge of the crimes or the solution.

Could you share the details on this?

Especially on how it was covered up.

Thanks.

Sir H

I apologize Sir H, but I don’t have time, and honestly, I’ve not done a deep dive on this one… just enough research to know that his son was indeed a sexual predator, and that indeed, he ended up with a cushy new job that would be difficult to come by without knowing the right people.

Here’s a link to get you started:

https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comm ... sment_dad/

I wouldn’t pay too much attention to the information in the link itself, but it will get you started if you want to do the research.

endlessismyname wrote: ↑January 8th, 2022, 11:46 am

HVDC wrote: ↑January 8th, 2022, 3:08 am

endlessismyname wrote: ↑January 7th, 2022, 12:01 am His son was a sexual predator, and it was covered up and tucked away. I have a hard time believing he didn’t have any knowledge of the crimes or the solution.

Could you share the details on this?

Especially on how it was covered up.

Thanks.

Sir H

I apologize Sir H, but I don’t have time, and honestly, I’ve not done a deep dive on this one… just enough research to know that his son was indeed a sexual predator, and that indeed, he ended up with a cushy new job that would be difficult to come by without knowing the right people.

Here’s a link to get you started:

https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comm ... sment_dad/

I wouldn’t pay too much attention to the information in the link itself, but it will get you started if you want to do the research.

Yeah, he reportedly behaved in a lewd, obsessive manner with female coworker, who filed suit. Then he landed himself a job at Kirton McConkie. Meanwhile...she lost her job.

Ugh. Once I was assigned to give a Sacrament talk about one of Monson’s GC talks. I couldn’t find anything of value in the talk except for a single line of scripture he quoted. I just based my talk around that.