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On-pitch collapse was NOT due to Covid jab despite conspiracy theories

Posted: November 28th, 2021, 7:17 am
by Niemand
This article could almost be read as a form of unintentional comedy, or sick comedy (since people are horribly affected by it), but in the interests of balance, I post it here.

The scientists have spoken, so that's ye telt, I mean you've been told. There are a lot of coincidences. And it is amazing any club would allow anyone known to "underlying heart conditions" to continue playing at high level.

Daily Mail article follows. None of the following words are mine unless in square brackets:

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[Sports host cut off from mentioning Covid vaccine on Radio Show]Former England star Trevor Sinclair has been blasted for spreading 'dangerous nonsense' after questioning whether Fleck's on-pitch collapse was due to the Covid vaccine
He sparked outrage by questioning the vaccine status of Championship star Fleck. Sinclair (right) was appearing on TalkSport at the time with Jim White (centre) and Simon Jordan (left)
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John Fleck's on-pitch collapse playing for Sheffield United was NOT due to Covid jab despite conspiracy theories suggesting players have been responding badly to vaccines - with scientists denouncing anti-vaxxers
Sheffield United midfielder John Fleck was rushed to hospital on Tuesday night
Fleck collapsed during Sheffield United's Championship fixture with Reading
The 30-year-old received 10 minutes of urgent medical treatment on the pitch
However, the midfielder's collapse was not connected with the Covid vaccine
The scientists have continued to denounce the anti-vaxers for suggesting a link

John Fleck’s on-pitch collapse playing for Sheffield United last week was not connected with the Covid vaccine as scientists continue to denounce the anti-vaxers for suggesting a link.

Fleck, 30, was rushed to hospital after requiring medical treatment and being carried off on a stretcher during a Championship game against Reading.

The Scot’s collapse was the latest in a string of several similar incidents in football leading to conspiracy theories about players responding badly to Covid vaccines.

But those suggestions have been branded 'irresponsible' by experts who insist it is impossible to make any connection without any evidence.

And Sheffield United were quick to point out that Fleck had a separate medical issue which led to his seizure. A source close to the player said: ‘John Fleck’s issue was not vaccination related.’

There have been more than a dozen players collapse over recent months including Christian Eriksen, Sergio Aguero and Wigan striker Charlie Wyke, with many being attributed to underlying or unknown heart conditions.

But speaking after Fleck’s collapse, radio pundit and ex-England winger Trevor Sinclair hinted there could be a link to the Covid jab, while Matt Le Tissier, a firm advocate of patient choice over the vaccine, also demanded in a tweet that Fifpro, football’s world governing body, look into it.

Many scientists have angrily rejected the high-profile opposition to the vaccines especially as the country braces itself for a possible wave of more cases and deaths from Covid after the discovery of the Omicron variant.

‘It is totally irresponsible to make these unsubstantiated comments,’ said Professor Keith Neal from Nottingham University.

Professor Guido Pieles, a sports cardiologist at the Institute of Sport, Exercise and Health, added: ‘At present I would say this is still a coincidence. I don’t think we can say this is suddenly increasing.’

Wigan star Wyke collapsed in training last week but the Latics were quick to refute suggestions that it had anything to do with Covid.

In a statement the club said: ‘We can confirm that Charlie has not received a Covid-19 vaccination and Charlie’s collapse was not related to any Covid-19 vaccination.’

Eriksen, who collapsed playing for Denmark against Finland in the European Championship in the finals in the summer, had not been vaccinated before the incident. And it was revealed that Aguero, hospitalised after a collapse playing for Barcelona earlier this month, had an underlying heart condition.

Last week, as well as the incidents involving Wyke and Fleck, Sheriff’s Adama Traore was taken to hospital after playing in a Champions League tie.

It may be tempting to blame Covid vaccines but pundits do have a public responsibility not to fuel vaccine hesitancy without any real evidence,’ added Professor Robert Dingwall.

Studies into heart inflammation after Covid vaccinations support that view. In two studies of more than seven million people who had received the Pfizer vaccine, it identified the risk of developing the heart condition known as myocardities is about one in 50,000.

In contrast, from the earliest days of the Covid pandemic it was clear that the coronavirus itself was a cause of an abormal number of heart issues.

Re: On-pitch collapse was NOT due to Covid jab despite conspiracy theories

Posted: November 28th, 2021, 8:23 am
by TrueFaith
More fake news, more gaslighting.

Post vax dramatic heart inflammation has been proven by the AHA.
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161 ... pl_1.10712

Re: On-pitch collapse was NOT due to Covid jab despite conspiracy theories

Posted: November 28th, 2021, 2:18 pm
by Niemand
TrueFaith wrote: November 28th, 2021, 8:23 am More fake news, more gaslighting.
Yes, in a nutshell, but some people are buying it. I'm glad that articles like this appear, they may have the opposite of the desired effect.

When something as high profile internationally* as European soccer has players collapsing like flies, that's a problem.

You don't have long term underlying heart conditions in top tier European soccer. They have their own medical staff and sports scientists who will frequently rig them up to heart monitors etc on a regular basis. Probably dieticians too. These players are worth a lot of money. Collapsing or dying on the sports field is not good for business.

* Maybe not so much in the USA, but in many other places.

Re: On-pitch collapse was NOT due to Covid jab despite conspiracy theories

Posted: November 28th, 2021, 3:02 pm
by TrueFaith
Niemand wrote: November 28th, 2021, 2:18 pm
TrueFaith wrote: November 28th, 2021, 8:23 am More fake news, more gaslighting.
Yes, in a nutshell, but some people are buying it. I'm glad that articles like this appear, they may have the opposite of the desired effect.

When something as high profile internationally* as European soccer has players collapsing like flies, that's a problem.

You don't have long term underlying heart conditions in top tier European soccer. They have their own medical staff and sports scientists who will frequently rig them up to heart monitors etc on a regular basis. Probably dieticians too. These players are worth a lot of money. Collapsing or dying on the sports field is not good for business.

* Maybe not so much in the USA, but in many other places.
It's great for business if your business is now about killing people for the climate cult.

Re: On-pitch collapse was NOT due to Covid jab despite conspiracy theories

Posted: November 28th, 2021, 3:16 pm
by Subcomandante
Niemand wrote: November 28th, 2021, 2:18 pm
TrueFaith wrote: November 28th, 2021, 8:23 am More fake news, more gaslighting.
Yes, in a nutshell, but some people are buying it. I'm glad that articles like this appear, they may have the opposite of the desired effect.

When something as high profile internationally* as European soccer has players collapsing like flies, that's a problem.

You don't have long term underlying heart conditions in top tier European soccer. They have their own medical staff and sports scientists who will frequently rig them up to heart monitors etc on a regular basis. Probably dieticians too. These players are worth a lot of money. Collapsing or dying on the sports field is not good for business.

* Maybe not so much in the USA, but in many other places.
That's something which I have seen in just about every top flight Euro league.

The EPL, La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga, Le Ligue 1, RPL, TSL, etc.

EVERY soccer player that gets signed by a club goes through medical and then are kept on a strict regimen. I would not be surprised if similar things were done in the Liga MX, Superliga Arg, or the Brasileirao.

Re: On-pitch collapse was NOT due to Covid jab despite conspiracy theories

Posted: November 28th, 2021, 3:55 pm
by TrueFaith
Are you a Branch Covidian, a Delta Dogmatist, or an Orthodox Omnicron?

If are a member of one of the true churches, are you reading the CDC daily? Have been vaxxtized? Do you wear the Holy Face Covering Garment daily?

Ask and pray for Fauci to bring you blessings of safety daily.

Renew your Covidnants weekly by partaking of the booster.

Re: On-pitch collapse was NOT due to Covid jab despite conspiracy theories

Posted: November 29th, 2021, 5:27 am
by Niemand
Subcomandante wrote: November 28th, 2021, 3:16 pm That's something which I have seen in just about every top flight Euro league.

The EPL, La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga, Le Ligue 1, RPL, TSL, etc.

EVERY soccer player that gets signed by a club goes through medical and then are kept on a strict regimen. I would not be surprised if similar things were done in the Liga MX, Superliga Arg, or the Brasileirao.
There is huge money riding on top tier soccer. The major European and Latin American tournaments are watched worldwide. The Chinese don't produce many decent players but they do watch foreign football which means big money again.

The same thing happens at the top level elsewhere. Olympic runners, even racehorses, all have their health monitored on a frequent basis.

And although they have a reputation for partying, things like drugs and drink are kept to a minimum. Thirty/forty years ago, that wasn't the case, but is now. The days of George Best or Maradona are over. They're not even supposed to have sex the day/night before a major game, because of a) physical exertion and b) it will be a mental distraction.

Re: On-pitch collapse was NOT due to Covid jab despite conspiracy theories

Posted: November 29th, 2021, 6:52 am
by InfoWarrior82
TrueFaith wrote: November 28th, 2021, 3:55 pm Are you a Branch Covidian, a Delta Dogmatist, or an Orthodox Omnicron?

If are a member of one of the true churches, are you reading the CDC daily? Have been vaxxtized? Do you wear the Holy Face Covering Garment daily?

Ask and pray for Fauci to bring you blessings of safety daily.

Renew your Covidnants weekly by partaking of the booster.
Whoa you got a copy of the new temple recommend questions?

Re: On-pitch collapse was NOT due to Covid jab despite conspiracy theories

Posted: November 29th, 2021, 1:55 pm
by gkearney
Around here EVERY death, EVERY illness is somehow related to the vaccines. Got a friend who died in a car accident? Well, it's no wonder as either he or the other driver had taken the jab.

Re: On-pitch collapse was NOT due to Covid jab despite conspiracy theories

Posted: November 29th, 2021, 2:52 pm
by Niemand
gkearney wrote: November 29th, 2021, 1:55 pm Around here EVERY death, EVERY illness is somehow related to the vaccines. Got a friend who died in a car accident? Well, it's no wonder as either he or the other driver had taken the jab.
Couldn't the same be said about Covid deaths? Last year everything got bundled into Covid, and underlying conditions. If your driver took a stroke or a heart attack, then maybe we should be looking st why.

In my neck of the woods, no one gets Covid shot reactions. At least not officially. The line is like this article. It's not happening. Yet I hear about it all the time to some degree.

Sportsmen are collapsing on pitch on a regular basis recently. I am not a huge soccer fan, but because of my cultural setting you can't really avlid it here... anyway, I was watching when Christian Eriksen collapsed on pitch. This was extremely unusual. I've been watching football for decades now and never seen it happen. Yet these collapses are happening regularly now... people like Aguero, Eriksen, Fleck, Pálsson and so on are top tier players. You don't see this in a normal year. As I've said above, national sides and major football clubs monitor the health of their players to OCD level these days. (Unlike thirty years ago, say.)

The question has to be, if not the shots, then what? What is causing it? Too much of the Columbian marching powder? I know that kills younger celebrities with heart trouble etc. Inactivity? Well, that's more plausible, except they often have huge homes and are always training. Unfortunately, here we have quite a few testimonies from sportsmen and women that their health troubles started shortly after being injected.

We have also had an uptick in infant mortality in Scotland in the last few months. The options are basically:
* Covax
* Covid
* Lockdown (does all this inactivity and stress contribute?)
* An unknown fourth factor.

My money is riding on the first one, since lockdown and Covid were with us before this starting kicking in.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/197 ... -scotland/

Re: On-pitch collapse was NOT due to Covid jab despite conspiracy theories

Posted: November 29th, 2021, 5:48 pm
by Durzan
Niemand wrote: November 29th, 2021, 2:52 pm
gkearney wrote: November 29th, 2021, 1:55 pm Around here EVERY death, EVERY illness is somehow related to the vaccines. Got a friend who died in a car accident? Well, it's no wonder as either he or the other driver had taken the jab.
Couldn't the same be said about Covid deaths? Last year everything got bundled into Covid, and underlying conditions. If your driver took a stroke or a heart attack, then maybe we should be looking st why.

In my neck of the woods, no one gets Covid shot reactions. At least not officially. The line is like this article. It's not happening. Yet I hear about it all the time to some degree.

Sportsmen are collapsing on pitch on a regular basis recently. I am not a huge soccer fan, but because of my cultural setting you can't really avlid it here... anyway, I was watching when Christian Eriksen collapsed on pitch. This was extremely unusual. I've been watching football for decades now and never seen it happen. Yet these collapses are happening regularly now... people like Aguero, Eriksen, Fleck, Pálsson and so on are top tier players. You don't see this in a normal year. As I've said above, national sides and major football clubs monitor the health of their players to OCD level these days. (Unlike thirty years ago, say.)

The question has to be, if not the shots, then what? What is causing it? Too much of the Columbian marching powder? I know that kills younger celebrities with heart trouble etc. Inactivity? Well, that's more plausible, except they often have huge homes and are always training. Unfortunately, here we have quite a few testimonies from sportsmen and women that their health troubles started shortly after being injected.

We have also had an uptick in infant mortality in Scotland in the last few months. The options are basically:
* Covax
* Covid
* Lockdown (does all this inactivity and stress contribute?)
* An unknown fourth factor.

My money is riding on the first one, since lockdown and Covid were with us before this starting kicking in.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/197 ... -scotland/
Honestly this may be a case of all four factors making minor contributions that start out small but compound over time to cause major incidents.

One small change can be a big problem down the road if you aren't careful...

Re: On-pitch collapse was NOT due to Covid jab despite conspiracy theories

Posted: November 29th, 2021, 6:01 pm
by Subcomandante
Niemand wrote: November 29th, 2021, 2:52 pm
gkearney wrote: November 29th, 2021, 1:55 pm Around here EVERY death, EVERY illness is somehow related to the vaccines. Got a friend who died in a car accident? Well, it's no wonder as either he or the other driver had taken the jab.
Couldn't the same be said about Covid deaths? Last year everything got bundled into Covid, and underlying conditions. If your driver took a stroke or a heart attack, then maybe we should be looking st why.

In my neck of the woods, no one gets Covid shot reactions. At least not officially. The line is like this article. It's not happening. Yet I hear about it all the time to some degree.

Sportsmen are collapsing on pitch on a regular basis recently. I am not a huge soccer fan, but because of my cultural setting you can't really avlid it here... anyway, I was watching when Christian Eriksen collapsed on pitch. This was extremely unusual. I've been watching football for decades now and never seen it happen. Yet these collapses are happening regularly now... people like Aguero, Eriksen, Fleck, Pálsson and so on are top tier players. You don't see this in a normal year. As I've said above, national sides and major football clubs monitor the health of their players to OCD level these days. (Unlike thirty years ago, say.)

The question has to be, if not the shots, then what? What is causing it? Too much of the Columbian marching powder? I know that kills younger celebrities with heart trouble etc. Inactivity? Well, that's more plausible, except they often have huge homes and are always training. Unfortunately, here we have quite a few testimonies from sportsmen and women that their health troubles started shortly after being injected.

We have also had an uptick in infant mortality in Scotland in the last few months. The options are basically:
* Covax
* Covid
* Lockdown (does all this inactivity and stress contribute?)
* An unknown fourth factor.

My money is riding on the first one, since lockdown and Covid were with us before this starting kicking in.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/197 ... -scotland/
The only collapses on the pitch that I would ever see before this time period, were generally in the LatAm leagues and also in the Middle East where it can get so blazing hot. This is even with a night games only policy in KSA and UAE.

Re: On-pitch collapse was NOT due to Covid jab despite conspiracy theories

Posted: November 29th, 2021, 6:22 pm
by Niemand
Subcomandante wrote: November 29th, 2021, 6:01 pm The only collapses on the pitch that I would ever see before this time period, were generally in the LatAm leagues and also in the Middle East where it can get so blazing hot. This is even with a night games only policy in KSA and UAE.
Exactly, and that's heat exhaustion which is completely different. People also faint due to heat in military parades. It can usually be sorted out quickly with rehydration and electrolytes.

Re: On-pitch collapse was NOT due to Covid jab despite conspiracy theories

Posted: December 1st, 2021, 3:08 pm
by Niemand
Latest installment. Twenty something female rugby player dies in Scotland. It is hard to say what Siobhan Cattigan died of, because they won't say. However "tragic" and "non-suspicious circumstances" in the articles suggest (but don't confirm) suicide.

More damage controls and calls for Twitter to punish those talking about this. Note also use of pejoratives.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union ... r-siobhan/

Scottish Rugby seek removal of conspiracies as anti-vaxxers try to hijack Siobhan Cattigan's death
Exclusive: 'despicable' Twitter posts falsely linking the tragic death of Cattigan to the coronavirus vaccine appeared on Tuesday night

By
Ben Rumsby
1 December 2021 • 5:15pm
Siobhan Cattigan.
Scottish Rugby was on Wednesday night seeking the removal of “despicable” Twitter posts falsely linking the tragic death of Scotland forward Siobhan Cattigan to the coronavirus vaccine.

The governing body announced on Tuesday night that the 26-year-old had passed away, sparking anti-vaxx conspiracy theories on the social media site.

Telegraph Sport has been told Cattigan’s death last week had nothing to do with Covid-19 nor the vaccine and that Scottish Rugby has been working to get the offending posts deleted.

The governing body declined to comment but Julian Knight MP, the chairman of the Digital Culture, Media & Sport select committee, said: “This is despicable. It is a horrific time for this young lady’s family and to have these idiots try to hijack such an appalling event in order to push their quite bizarre and, frankly, dangerous world view is sickening to the core.

“I would call on social media companies to act immediately to ensure that those individuals who are propagating this disinformation are expelled from their platforms and processes are put in place to ensure that none of this bile spreads any further.”

Twitter declined to comment on the posts in question but said it was taking steps to tackle misinformation around coronavirus.

The spreading of anti-vaxx conspiracy theories about Cattigan’s death came days after scientists countered claims linking the Covid-19 vaccine with an increase in the number of footballers developing heart problems.

On-field emergencies involving Wigan Athletic’s Charlie Wyke, Sheffield United’s John Fleck and Sheriff Tiraspol’s Adama Traore prompted wild speculation.

However, experts pointed to research showing that previous coronavirus infection would be a more likely contributory factor than the jab, if there was any link at all.

The English Football League wrote to its clubs to inform them that Wyke and Fleck’s conditions were not associated with recent vaccination.

It also encouraged them to take extra precautions to prevent the transmission of the Covid-19 following the emergence of the omicron variant, stating it stood ready to impose stricter training-ground and match-day protocols if required.

The Premier League, meanwhile, will update its clubs on Friday about the potential impact of the latest variant on its own competition.

Re: On-pitch collapse was NOT due to Covid jab despite conspiracy theories

Posted: March 26th, 2022, 3:36 am
by Niemand
John Paul (28), Scottish Olympic cyclist "in his sleep"
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/form ... es-aged-28

Paul Shefflin (41), hurler, died "suddenly" when out running. Another dead sportsman.
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/pau ... 14514.html

Justice Christopher (40), Nigerian soccer player "collapsed at a hotel he owned in Jos, Nigeria"

UNKNOWN CAUSES
Aslan Kambiev, 36, Russian sambist and judoka.

Odalis Pérez, 44, Dominican baseball player (Atlanta Braves, Los Angeles Dodgers, Kansas City Royals), fall while alone at home.

Dragoljub Jeremić, 43, Serbian footballer (Partizan, Radnički Kragujevac, Bežanija).

Hisanori Takada (高田 寿典) 41, Japanese football player

Mohd Azizan Baba, 40, Malaysian football player (Kuala Lumpur, Sarawak) and manager (SAMB).

Re: On-pitch collapse was NOT due to Covid jab despite conspiracy theories

Posted: March 26th, 2022, 9:49 am
by InfoWarrior82
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Re: On-pitch collapse was NOT due to Covid jab despite conspiracy theories

Posted: March 26th, 2022, 10:33 am
by InfoWarrior82
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Re: On-pitch collapse was NOT due to Covid jab despite conspiracy theories

Posted: March 26th, 2022, 4:30 pm
by The Red Pill
Ummmm...

When the major Insurance companies went public with the FACT that overall mortality is up 40% SINCE THE INTRODUCTION OF THE JAB in 18 to 64 year old people....

THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ENOUGH for even the most ignorant skeptic to see the light...

YES, IT'S THE DEADLY-JAB!!!!!!

Re: On-pitch collapse was NOT due to Covid jab despite conspiracy theories

Posted: March 26th, 2022, 5:03 pm
by Niemand
The Red Pill wrote: March 26th, 2022, 4:30 pm Ummmm...

When the major Insurance companies went public with the FACT that overall mortality is up 40% SINCE THE INTRODUCTION OF THE JAB in 18 to 64 year old people....

THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ENOUGH for even the most ignorant skeptic to see the light...

YES, IT'S THE DEADLY-JAB!!!!!!
I was at a non-church event tonight and most of them were banging on "blah blah cos Covid".

Re: On-pitch collapse was NOT due to Covid jab despite conspiracy theories

Posted: March 26th, 2022, 6:19 pm
by The Red Pill
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Re: On-pitch collapse was NOT due to Covid jab despite conspiracy theories

Posted: March 26th, 2022, 7:13 pm
by Niemand
The Red Pill wrote: March 26th, 2022, 6:19 pm Screenshot_20220326-181256_Brave.jpg
I had thought it was slowing up but I am finding other sportsmen dying again.

I was having a discussion as to why this is turning up so much in soccer as opposed to, say, American football. We concluded that Gridiron is based on force and collision, and has frequent breaks, whereas soccer involves players running around for sustained periods. Another thing is that soccer has massive numbers of players, an obsessive fan base, worldwide profile etc, which makes it hard to hide.

It probably isn't the most strenuous sport though, which makes it curious. I think these put a bigger strain on the heart:
* Squash
* Jai alai/Basque pelota
* Long distance cycling
* Long distance running, especially marathons
* Water polo
* Possibly Aussie Rules football due to size of pitch
* Triathlon, pentathlon etc.

We are seeing a lot of cases emerging from professional cycling but not the rest. Why is that? Probably because several of these get little publicity or localised publicity.

Surprisingly I'm not seeing the numbers appearing in rugby so much. Rugby can be very strenuous, particularly in sevens format.

One aport which is *less* strenuous than soccer, but has produced a few is cricket. Again, not sure why that is particularly. Cricket does not involve such constant activity as soccer. Another less strenuous candidate is golf and one or two have come out od there.

Re: On-pitch collapse was NOT due to Covid jab despite conspiracy theories

Posted: March 26th, 2022, 8:03 pm
by lundbaek
it is impossible to make any connection without any evidence.

Re: On-pitch collapse was NOT due to Covid jab despite conspiracy theories

Posted: March 27th, 2022, 1:59 am
by Niemand
lundbaek wrote: March 26th, 2022, 8:03 pm it is impossible to make any connection without any evidence.
It's perfectly possible. If supposedly healthy sportsmen start dropping like flies after having the shot in a way never before seen, then that is a connection..

Re: On-pitch collapse was NOT due to Covid jab despite conspiracy theories

Posted: March 28th, 2022, 8:44 am
by Niemand
This is the Thalidomide argument again there. The mothers were all imagining it. Bad genes. Bad diet. Lack of exercise. Watching too much TV. Reading the wrong books. Environmental factors etc. Everything but the main connecting theme - the mothers all used Thalidomide.

Re: On-pitch collapse was NOT due to Covid jab despite conspiracy theories

Posted: March 30th, 2022, 1:46 pm
by Niemand
"Don't speculate!!!"

Not a footballer, but a medical officer for the Zambia football federation (soccer)
JOSEPH KABUNGO DIES FOLLOWING WORLD CUP QUALIFIER BETWEEN GHANA AND NIGERIA
Zambian doctor Joseph Kabungo was on duty at the match, which ended in chaos with fans rioting at the Moshood Abiola National Stadium. The Zambian FA has warned people not to speculate about the cause of his death, with the Nigerian Football Federation trying to separate the two incidents, suggesting he died from a cardiac arrest having been seen "gasping for breath"...

His cause of death is yet to be confirmed, and the Zambian FA has warned people against speculating after ugly scenes marred the end of the game, with Nigerian fans rioting before storming the pitch and attacking players from both sides, as well as causing significant damage to the Moshood Abiola National Stadium...

The Nigerian Football Federation, who could face sanctions for the post-match chaos, have tried to separate the two incidents.

In a statement to GOAL, the Federation said, “he died as a result of sudden cardiac arrest”, having been “found gasping for breath near the dressing room of the Ghanaian team”.
https://www.eurosport.co.uk/football/fi ... tory.shtml