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Re: Church Ignores Thanksgiving This Year
Posted: November 25th, 2021, 4:37 pm
by Juliet
Seems like they put out something for Halloween.
Re: Church Ignores Thanksgiving This Year
Posted: November 25th, 2021, 4:41 pm
by EvanLM
hhmmmmmmmmm okay, so who is at fault? The leaders or the members for projecting USA? Maybe God should have restored his covenants in a less prejudice nation. I'm sure that other members of the church in the world are not being influenced by the new world order and their propaganda. It is probably the fault of the american members or leaders.
My ancestors spent lots of time doing missionary work in europe and leaving their wives to feign for themselves and their children. Makes you pretty poor, but if the american influence has, in the end, had a bad influence on foreign COJCLDS members, then, I guess my ancestors should have stayed home and I should be ashamed. Brothers and friends served foreign missions, too. I used to be proud but looks like I need to apologize since they came from America.
I think that some of my friends and my father and other family members had influence on the countries that they fought in, as well. Maybe there needs to be an apology there, too if the american way of life has had influence.
dang, please grind my face some more. Nephi says the faithful members of the church in the last days will have their faces ground by those who have more money or education or just want to grind. I'm feeling it.
Re: Church Ignores Thanksgiving This Year
Posted: November 25th, 2021, 4:50 pm
by Robin Hood
Sunain wrote: ↑November 25th, 2021, 3:41 pm
Next the church will ignore Christmas.
I hope you're right.
Re: Church Ignores Thanksgiving This Year
Posted: November 25th, 2021, 7:42 pm
by Niemand
Robin Hood wrote: ↑November 25th, 2021, 2:03 pm
Well, I've just been to my daughters place for a Thanksgiving meal. Also watched Detroit vs Chicago. Can't make head nor tail of American football, but I tried.
It's like rugby league (rather than rugby union), but with more stoppages, equipment, advertising and continual swapping around of players. Minus the rules about offside and forward passing.
It would also be a lot more entertaining if they didn't stop every five minutes, I think it destroys the flow of the game.
As I said elsewhere, I'm sure Family Home Evening was emphasised to stop the menace of Monday Night Football in the early seventies.
Re: Church Ignores Thanksgiving This Year
Posted: November 25th, 2021, 10:04 pm
by largerthanlife2
Thanksgiving is a little awkward for the church since the Mormons stole Utah from the indians.
Re: Church Ignores Thanksgiving This Year
Posted: November 25th, 2021, 11:10 pm
by Luke
I celebrated Thanksgiving for the first time ever today, in Mexico.
Re: Church Ignores Thanksgiving This Year
Posted: November 26th, 2021, 12:10 am
by Robin Hood
Niemand wrote: ↑November 25th, 2021, 7:42 pm
Robin Hood wrote: ↑November 25th, 2021, 2:03 pm
Well, I've just been to my daughters place for a Thanksgiving meal. Also watched Detroit vs Chicago. Can't make head nor tail of American football, but I tried.
It's like rugby league (rather than rugby union), but with more stoppages, equipment, advertising and continual swapping around of players. Minus the rules about offside and forward passing.
It would also be a lot more entertaining if they didn't stop every five minutes, I think it destroys the flow of the game.
As I said elsewhere, I'm sure Family Home Evening was emphasised to stop the menace of Monday Night Football in the early seventies.
I have watched a lot of Rugby League.
I suppose there are some superficial similarities, but in my view American football is nothing like it, except for the shape of the ball.
Re: Church Ignores Thanksgiving This Year
Posted: November 26th, 2021, 3:44 am
by Niemand
Robin Hood wrote: ↑November 26th, 2021, 12:10 am
Niemand wrote: ↑November 25th, 2021, 7:42 pm
Robin Hood wrote: ↑November 25th, 2021, 2:03 pm
Well, I've just been to my daughters place for a Thanksgiving meal. Also watched Detroit vs Chicago. Can't make head nor tail of American football, but I tried.
It's like rugby league (rather than rugby union), but with more stoppages, equipment, advertising and continual swapping around of players. Minus the rules about offside and forward passing.
It would also be a lot more entertaining if they didn't stop every five minutes, I think it destroys the flow of the game.
As I said elsewhere, I'm sure Family Home Evening was emphasised to stop the menace of Monday Night Football in the early seventies.
I have watched a lot of Rugby League.
I suppose there are some superficial similarities, but in my view American football is nothing like it, except for the shape of the ball.
They advance up to a certain point up the pitch and then stop, where they start again... that's one of the similarities I notice. A bit hard to explain. It's something that's more league than union, although I find league a lot easier to watch than gridiron.
The big difference is that in gridiron there is an offensive and defensive team for both sides, and they change them around. (Which is part of what takes up a lot of the time, along with all the advertising and blethering.)
Re: Church Ignores Thanksgiving This Year
Posted: November 26th, 2021, 4:20 am
by Robin Hood
Niemand wrote: ↑November 26th, 2021, 3:44 am
Robin Hood wrote: ↑November 26th, 2021, 12:10 am
Niemand wrote: ↑November 25th, 2021, 7:42 pm
Robin Hood wrote: ↑November 25th, 2021, 2:03 pm
Well, I've just been to my daughters place for a Thanksgiving meal. Also watched Detroit vs Chicago. Can't make head nor tail of American football, but I tried.
It's like rugby league (rather than rugby union), but with more stoppages, equipment, advertising and continual swapping around of players. Minus the rules about offside and forward passing.
It would also be a lot more entertaining if they didn't stop every five minutes, I think it destroys the flow of the game.
As I said elsewhere, I'm sure Family Home Evening was emphasised to stop the menace of Monday Night Football in the early seventies.
I have watched a lot of Rugby League.
I suppose there are some superficial similarities, but in my view American football is nothing like it, except for the shape of the ball.
They advance up to a certain point up the pitch and then stop, where they start again... that's one of the similarities I notice. A bit hard to explain. It's something that's more league than union, although I find league a lot easier to watch than gridiron.
The big difference is that in gridiron there is an offensive and defensive team for both sides, and they change them around. (Which is part of what takes up a lot of the time, along with all the advertising and blethering.)
In Rugby League you advance up the field until you are stopped. If you're not stopped you score a try... no different to Rugby Union. The main difference in play is that in League you have a limited number of phases of play to get to your goal and if you don't you lose posession, whereas you can potentially hang on to the ball indefinitely in the Union game. So that has some similarity to American football, but it's no where near the same in practice.
Also League flows better because scrums are rare.
Although Union has improved since professionalisation, League is a better game to watch in my view. Whenever the best Union and League sides play each other irrespective of the code they employ for the match, the League side usually wins emphatically.
Re: Church Ignores Thanksgiving This Year
Posted: November 26th, 2021, 5:50 am
by Niemand
Union is more a forwards game and league more a backs game in my view. (Americans will barely know what I'm talking about here - I once tried to explain RU vs RL to an American missionary and gave up.) I'll watch both, but I prefer union - getting rid of line outs was pretty unforgivable.
Yes, the phases thing is what i was referring to.
I think the two have been converging for a while now.
"the League side usually wins emphatically"
Used to. Not always the case anymore, and union poaches more players from league rather than the other way round. It's definitely evened up. In Oz and England there is a decent pool of RL players, maybe one or two other places, but union's definitely got the better spread internationally. Places like New Zealand or Wales have a better range of Union players, although they both have a rugby league culture. (We had an NZer here who was really into league. He was Polynesian/Maori, which is where a lot of the Kiwi RL support lies.)
Is there much league round your bit? I thought you were the wrong end of Yorkshire? It's next to non-existent here, although they did do a tournament in Murrayfield years ago, a lot of northern English folk came up for it.
Re: Church Ignores Thanksgiving This Year
Posted: November 26th, 2021, 6:01 am
by Niemand
largerthanlife2 wrote: ↑November 25th, 2021, 10:04 pm
Thanksgiving is a little awkward for the church since the Mormons stole Utah from the indians.
I wonder what early white Utahns thought of it. If you read early accounts, some of them were pretty down on the US, which they had seen as being responsible for the murder of Joseph Smith and persecution of the saints, and plural marriage.
A lot of people in Utah had no connection to New England stock, but had come there from Europe.
Re: Church Ignores Thanksgiving This Year
Posted: November 26th, 2021, 6:38 am
by BuriedTartaria
largerthanlife2 wrote: ↑November 25th, 2021, 10:04 pm
Thanksgiving is a little awkward for the church since the Mormons stole Utah from the indians.
I feel like everything is awkward for the church. The Book of Mormon is largely a damning warning to society, particularly the United States and I feel it's awkward for the church to be attached to it but they have no option on this. Joseph Smith's life and the fight over his true history is awkward for the church too. They just grovel to Babylon and hope for the best fiscal outcome for their desires
Re: Church Ignores Thanksgiving This Year
Posted: November 26th, 2021, 8:42 am
by 1775peasant
BuriedTartaria wrote: ↑November 26th, 2021, 6:38 am
largerthanlife2 wrote: ↑November 25th, 2021, 10:04 pm
Thanksgiving is a little awkward for the church since the Mormons stole Utah from the indians.
I feel like everything is awkward for the church. The Book of Mormon is largely a damning warning to society, particularly the United States and I feel it's awkward for the church to be attached to it but they have no option on this. Joseph Smith's life and the fight over his true history is awkward for the church too. They just grovel to Babylon and hope for the best fiscal outcome for their desires
if RMN &/or Oaks remain for say 5 more years, i can see them removing the title “Book of Mormon” from the Church’s vernacular…..and implementing something close to the CoC’s stance on the BOM….in fact, i think it happens sooner than later?
this whole shift to the 15’s incessant worship of RMN since his obtaining the Church office of President, after having been a relatively obscure/forgotten Apostle for 30+ year, given the multitude of ongoing changes he’s implemented…..…is telling/hinting of a major “lane change” in Church trajectory
Re: Church Ignores Thanksgiving This Year
Posted: November 26th, 2021, 10:05 am
by Liahona
Chip wrote: ↑November 25th, 2021, 10:44 am
My friend Erik, who is very astute, pointed out to me today that the church is saying nothing about Thanksgiving.
This day, last year, the focus was on Nelson's talk and the #GiveThanks thing. This year, on Thanksgiving Day, no mention of Thanksgiving, at all. Just Christmas stuff on the church website.
Thanksgiving is too racist now.
Better go to your Emotional Resiliency class so you can deal with it.
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/?lang=eng
How is the lack of a specific message about Thanksgiving on the website proof that the church believes Thanksgiving is too racist now?
You also may want to view church leadership social media. President Nelson posted a message yesterday both on Facebook and Instagram:
Several years ago, all of our locally available children and grandchildren spent the Thanksgiving holiday with us. We counted 63 people in attendance.
As part of our after-dinner program, a sheet of paper was distributed to each individual and they were invited to complete this thought: “This year, I am thankful for . . .”
While we read aloud the statements from our family members (and reviewed the drawings made by some of the children), I observed a pattern.
Generally, the children were thankful for food, clothing, shelter, family, and, occasionally, pets. Their pictures were precious, though not likely to be shown in an art gallery.
Our youth broadened their expressions to include gratitude for their country, freedom, and church.
The adults noted most of those items, but in addition mentioned the temple, their love of the Lord, and their appreciation for His Atonement.
Their hopes were combined with gratitude. For each of us that day, we were reminded that counting blessings is better than recounting problems.
As we continue to face tumultuous times full of apparent reasons to lose hope, I instead invite you to look for ways to be grateful and to express that gratitude to others. As you do so, your attitude of gratitude will strengthen the hope in Christ you feel, no matter the trials you face.
Re: Church Ignores Thanksgiving This Year
Posted: November 26th, 2021, 11:00 am
by larsenb
largerthanlife2 wrote: ↑November 25th, 2021, 10:04 pm
Thanksgiving is a little awkward for the church since the Mormons stole Utah from the indians.
Something I've mentioned before . . .
An archaeologist I know was talking to a Ute elder, who really was quite old, to see if he knew anything about what was called the Fremont culture (now thought to be Anasazi outliers) that had been very active in central Utah. After a while, a light bulb seemed to go off in the elder's mind, and he said something like: "Ah, I know who you're talking about now. Yes. We killed them off when we first came into this territory in olden times."
Utes are thought to have come into the Utah/Idaho/Colorado area in the 1200-1400 AD time frame.
Re: Church Ignores Thanksgiving This Year
Posted: November 26th, 2021, 11:30 am
by Robin Hood
Niemand wrote: ↑November 26th, 2021, 5:50 am
Union is more a forwards game and league more a backs game in my view. (Americans will barely know what I'm talking about here - I once tried to explain RU vs RL to an American missionary and gave up.) I'll watch both, but I prefer union - getting rid of line outs was pretty unforgivable.
Yes, the phases thing is what i was referring to.
I think the two have been converging for a while now.
"the League side usually wins emphatically"
Used to. Not always the case anymore, and union poaches more players from league rather than the other way round. It's definitely evened up. In Oz and England there is a decent pool of RL players, maybe one or two other places, but union's definitely got the better spread internationally. Places like New Zealand or Wales have a better range of Union players, although they both have a rugby league culture. (We had an NZer here who was really into league. He was Polynesian/Maori, which is where a lot of the Kiwi RL support lies.)
Is there much league round your bit? I thought you were the wrong end of Yorkshire? It's next to non-existent here, although they did do a tournament in Murrayfield years ago, a lot of northern English folk came up for it.
We have Hull FC and Hull Kingston Rovers an hour down the road, and the York Knights over in York. All RL.
The RU scene around here is mostly local clubs like Scarborough RUFC. They have good facilities though.
