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I don’t know if this is true or not. But it’s highly fascinating in terms of what is currently happening. What do you think?

https://www.latterdayconservative.com/a ... -fireside/

Mamabear wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 10:27 am I don’t know if this is true or not. But it’s highly fascinating in terms of what is currently happening. What do you think?

https://www.latterdayconservative.com/a ... -fireside/

This is the modern application of Plato's Republic. The brief version is that such a republic would have "philosopher kings", i.e. ones who are trained up to do the job. Control of the population is garnered by what is called the "Noble Lie". A noble lie in the west would be that "anyone can make it if they work hard enough" or that we all have equality before the law.

However, the ruling class always believes it is the best, even when it isn't. "Aristocracy" comes from the Greek for "rule by the best". While some aristocrats are nice people, others are painfully inbred or of low intelligence. We do see the same thing today with the elite, with some very rich people like, cough, Paris Hilton, having very little qualification to being on a higher rung of society other than family ties. If you see the people who throng the UN, the World Econonic Forum etc, they are not good looking or particularly wise.

For all their attempts to be Plato's Republic they fail. That is because power is often achieved by ruthlessness or surface appeal. These people are not philosopher kings, although they have tame "philosophers" and are kings.

Melbourne Man's ideas are not that secret. They do appear in science fiction over the decades. Both Hitler and Stalin claimed to want to create such societies with superior members and reduction of certain elements.

My take on this story? It has improved in the telling. The core element is probably correct, but there are certain other elements which seem to be retrofitted to 1947 even though some of the plans were in place.

It also seems a bit odd that such a man would tell his entire plan to a Mormon missionary like a Bond villain.

However, have a look at the thread about the Huxleys here - Julian Huxley was certainly involved in some similar ideas into the 50s

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Communists in my personal experience - I'm talking about open ones - are very good at some things and not others. They are great at entryism, not so good at running anything long term. They also fight each other like no one's business. They spend even more time fighting, splitting and purging than on their enemy.