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I'm surprised that this is on their page.

Abstract 10712: Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning

We conclude that the mRNA vacs dramatically increase inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle and may account for the observations of increased thrombosis, cardiomyopathy, and other vascular events following vaccination.

AHA, you better hurry and get on board!

JohnnyL wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 7:46 am AHA, you better hurry and get on board!

Fauci's gonna have to put them on timeout.

The science is settled on this issue. These jibby jabs are safe and effective because my wise and thoughful leaders have told me so, anything contrary to this is nothing more than pseudoscience.

It seems that these heart problems are almost uniquely with the MRNA jabs.

I'm not sure about JnJ's stats yet. Sinovac's main problem has been anaphylaxis (allergic reaction to vaccine components) and every now and then a case of Bell's Palsy.

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:12 am It seems that these heart problems are almost uniquely with the MRNA jabs.

I'm not sure about JnJ's stats yet. Sinovac's main problem has been anaphylaxis (allergic reaction to vaccine components) and every now and then a case of Bell's Palsy.

All for a virus that virtually no one is exclusively dying from.

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:14 am

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:12 am It seems that these heart problems are almost uniquely with the MRNA jabs.

I'm not sure about JnJ's stats yet. Sinovac's main problem has been anaphylaxis (allergic reaction to vaccine components) and every now and then a case of Bell's Palsy.

All for a virus that virtually no one is exclusively dying from.

I know quite a few people that have passed away from the virus. Others, who only had a mild case.

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:19 am

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:14 am

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:12 am It seems that these heart problems are almost uniquely with the MRNA jabs.

I'm not sure about JnJ's stats yet. Sinovac's main problem has been anaphylaxis (allergic reaction to vaccine components) and every now and then a case of Bell's Palsy.

All for a virus that virtually no one is exclusively dying from.

I know quite a few people that have passed away from the virus. Others, who only had a mild case.

Notice my use of the term: "exclusively"

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:22 am

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:19 am

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:14 am

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:12 am It seems that these heart problems are almost uniquely with the MRNA jabs.

I'm not sure about JnJ's stats yet. Sinovac's main problem has been anaphylaxis (allergic reaction to vaccine components) and every now and then a case of Bell's Palsy.

All for a virus that virtually no one is exclusively dying from.

I know quite a few people that have passed away from the virus. Others, who only had a mild case.

Notice my use of the term: "exclusively"

A sickness can cause various complications. I would need to share with you again what my pathologist student from Spain said about how they determine the cause of death.

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:25 am

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:22 am

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:19 am

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:14 am
All for a virus that virtually no one is exclusively dying from.

I know quite a few people that have passed away from the virus. Others, who only had a mild case.

Notice my use of the term: "exclusively"

A sickness can cause various complications. I would need to share with you again what my pathologist student from Spain said about how they determine the cause of death.

I don't really care what they put on paper, I will live by personal experience. It'll get to that point, you either trust the people giving the shots and numbers or you don't. I'll let everyone else have the arm of flesh.

viewtopic.php?p=1208971#p1208971

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:25 am

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:22 am

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:19 am

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:14 am
All for a virus that virtually no one is exclusively dying from.

I know quite a few people that have passed away from the virus. Others, who only had a mild case.

Notice my use of the term: "exclusively"

A sickness can cause various complications. I would need to share with you again what my pathologist student from Spain said about how they determine the cause of death.

It's the hospital protocols that end up killing them. If you let them put you on a ventilator, you're dead for sure.

Plenty of doctors that have prescribed ivermectin to their patients report an almost 100% recovery rate.

Another thing hospitals fail to do is verify for secondary bacterial lung infections which is easily treated with antibiotics.

Murder. Those who pushed this shot pushed murder. They know it and they know we know they know it.

My mother is in very bad condition right now from a standard cold virus because her immune system has been compromised from this murder shot. I warned my parents over and over and over again not to take it. They refused to listen to the truth and the Holy Ghost and followed President Nelson and all the rest of the LDS liars instead.

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:33 am

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:25 am

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:22 am

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:19 am

I know quite a few people that have passed away from the virus. Others, who only had a mild case.

Notice my use of the term: "exclusively"

A sickness can cause various complications. I would need to share with you again what my pathologist student from Spain said about how they determine the cause of death.

I don't really care what they put on paper, I will live by personal experience. It'll get to that point, you either trust the people giving the shots and numbers or you don't. I'll let everyone else have the arm of flesh.

viewtopic.php?p=1208971#p1208971

The arm of flesh spoken about is not the vaccine.

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 9:05 am

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:33 am

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:25 am

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:22 am
Notice my use of the term: "exclusively"

A sickness can cause various complications. I would need to share with you again what my pathologist student from Spain said about how they determine the cause of death.

I don't really care what they put on paper, I will live by personal experience. It'll get to that point, you either trust the people giving the shots and numbers or you don't. I'll let everyone else have the arm of flesh.

viewtopic.php?p=1208971#p1208971

The arm of flesh spoken about is not the vaccine.

I disagree.

TrueFaith wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:36 am Murder. Those who pushed this shot pushed murder. They know it and they know we know they know it.

My mother is in very bad condition right now from a standard cold virus because her immune system has been compromised from this murder shot. I warned my parents over and over and over again not to take it. They refused to listen to the truth and the Holy Ghost and followed President Nelson and all the rest of the LDS liars instead.

I am so sorry about your mom. As I said on another thread, as this tragedy touches more and more members, especially those who start seeing their young children’s health compromised by the vax, how long will it take for a real uprising to form against our prophets who will be PROVEN to be in the wrong? This “mistake” is causing premature death and untold suffering.

AHA - American Heart Association - maybe it will catch the attention of the heart surgeon, President Nelson.

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 9:11 am

TrueFaith wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:36 am Murder. Those who pushed this shot pushed murder. They know it and they know we know they know it.

My mother is in very bad condition right now from a standard cold virus because her immune system has been compromised from this murder shot. I warned my parents over and over and over again not to take it. They refused to listen to the truth and the Holy Ghost and followed President Nelson and all the rest of the LDS liars instead.

I am so sorry about your mom. As I said on another thread, as this tragedy touches more and more members, especially those who start seeing their young children’s health compromised by the vax, how long will it take for a real uprising to form against our prophets who will be PROVEN to be in the wrong? This “mistake” is causing premature death and untold suffering.

As planned all along.

Tails I win, Heads you lose.

Our leaders walked right into it.

Assuming they are not co-conspirators themselves.

Always ask "cui bono".

The answer is ((they)) do.

Every.Single.Time.

Sir H

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 7:45 am I'm surprised that this is on their page.

Abstract 10712: Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning

We conclude that the mRNA vacs dramatically increase inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle and may account for the observations of increased thrombosis, cardiomyopathy, and other vascular events following vaccination.

Looking at the article, we see the following:

566 patients were sampled, approximately 283 females and 283 males as we are talking about a 1 to 1 ratio.

The ages ranged between 28 and 97 of all the subjects. Nothing for younger than 28 years old. A breakdown is not provided in the abstract of the ages where the anomalies in the paper were described.

The only rise that was statistically significant was the HGF where there was a general across-the-board rise. Overlap, and sometimes significant overlap, happens on the other two parts. Because of the HGF factor, the risk of acute coronary syndrome in the group increased from 11 to 25 percent.

Looking at the PULS test site, it mentions that any reading above 7.5 percent is cause for concern of heart attack risk and these people were already averaging out at 11 percent. We would need to extrapolate the numbers for those that were below the average, and preferably, those that were below 7.5 percent. Even better would be those that fell in the normal categories below 5 percent.

This type of study would normally result in doctors NOT recommending the vaccines in question to those that are deemed to have hypertension, something that already IS the case south of the border.

And of course the age limitation comes into play here too. PULS can be administered to anyone as young as 20. But in some places these vaccines are already given to minors.

More studies are needed. Especially for those that were down in the borderline to normal categories for the PULS test (lower than 7.5 points).

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 24th, 2021, 11:54 am Looking at the article, we see the following:

566 patients were sampled, approximately 283 females and 283 males as we are talking about a 1 to 1 ratio.

The ages ranged between 28 and 97 of all the subjects. Nothing for younger than 28 years old. A breakdown is not provided in the abstract of the ages where the anomalies in the paper were described.

The only rise that was statistically significant was the HGF where there was a general across-the-board rise. Overlap, and sometimes significant overlap, happens on the other two parts. Because of the HGF factor, the risk of acute coronary syndrome in the group increased from 11 to 25 percent.

Looking at the PULS test site, it mentions that any reading above 7.5 percent is cause for concern of heart attack risk and these people were already averaging out at 11 percent. We would need to extrapolate the numbers for those that were below the average, and preferably, those that were below 7.5 percent. Even better would be those that fell in the normal categories below 5 percent.

This type of study would normally result in doctors NOT recommending the vaccines in question to those that are deemed to have hypertension, something that already IS the case south of the border.

And of course the age limitation comes into play here too. PULS can be administered to anyone as young as 20. But in some places these vaccines are already given to minors.

More studies are needed. Especially for those that were down in the borderline to normal categories for the PULS test (lower than 7.5 points).

I see no issue with the age range, those are the people who should be getting jabbed up... right? Or do you think even minors should be taking it?

I haven't seen your thoughts on that... what do you think about jabbing 5-11 year olds?

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 24th, 2021, 12:01 pm

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 24th, 2021, 11:54 am Looking at the article, we see the following:

566 patients were sampled, approximately 283 females and 283 males as we are talking about a 1 to 1 ratio.

The ages ranged between 28 and 97 of all the subjects. Nothing for younger than 28 years old. A breakdown is not provided in the abstract of the ages where the anomalies in the paper were described.

The only rise that was statistically significant was the HGF where there was a general across-the-board rise. Overlap, and sometimes significant overlap, happens on the other two parts. Because of the HGF factor, the risk of acute coronary syndrome in the group increased from 11 to 25 percent.

Looking at the PULS test site, it mentions that any reading above 7.5 percent is cause for concern of heart attack risk and these people were already averaging out at 11 percent. We would need to extrapolate the numbers for those that were below the average, and preferably, those that were below 7.5 percent. Even better would be those that fell in the normal categories below 5 percent.

This type of study would normally result in doctors NOT recommending the vaccines in question to those that are deemed to have hypertension, something that already IS the case south of the border.

And of course the age limitation comes into play here too. PULS can be administered to anyone as young as 20. But in some places these vaccines are already given to minors.

More studies are needed. Especially for those that were down in the borderline to normal categories for the PULS test (lower than 7.5 points).

I see no issue with the age range, those are the people who should be getting jabbed up... right? Or do you think even minors should be taking it?

I haven't seen your thoughts on that... what do you think about jabbing 5-11 year olds?

I'm remarking on the limitations of this study. The BYU basketball player that was jabbed and had the cardiovascular episode (one of several mentioned in the abstract) would not have been able to participate in this study as he was younger than 28.

Further studies are needed for younger age groups before one can even THINK of administering these shots to the younger people.

That's why, in Mexico, only those over 18 are able to take any of the shots. They are starting to phase it down to the minors but ONLY those that are deemed as high-risk, and only those 15 and up. No one in their right mind right now in MX would recommend the shots for ANY minor unless they were at really high risk (and that is a very small percentage of the population).

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 24th, 2021, 12:06 pm

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 24th, 2021, 12:01 pm

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 24th, 2021, 11:54 am Looking at the article, we see the following:

566 patients were sampled, approximately 283 females and 283 males as we are talking about a 1 to 1 ratio.

The ages ranged between 28 and 97 of all the subjects. Nothing for younger than 28 years old. A breakdown is not provided in the abstract of the ages where the anomalies in the paper were described.

The only rise that was statistically significant was the HGF where there was a general across-the-board rise. Overlap, and sometimes significant overlap, happens on the other two parts. Because of the HGF factor, the risk of acute coronary syndrome in the group increased from 11 to 25 percent.

Looking at the PULS test site, it mentions that any reading above 7.5 percent is cause for concern of heart attack risk and these people were already averaging out at 11 percent. We would need to extrapolate the numbers for those that were below the average, and preferably, those that were below 7.5 percent. Even better would be those that fell in the normal categories below 5 percent.

This type of study would normally result in doctors NOT recommending the vaccines in question to those that are deemed to have hypertension, something that already IS the case south of the border.

And of course the age limitation comes into play here too. PULS can be administered to anyone as young as 20. But in some places these vaccines are already given to minors.

More studies are needed. Especially for those that were down in the borderline to normal categories for the PULS test (lower than 7.5 points).

I see no issue with the age range, those are the people who should be getting jabbed up... right? Or do you think even minors should be taking it?

I haven't seen your thoughts on that... what do you think about jabbing 5-11 year olds?

I'm remarking on the limitations of this study. The BYU basketball player that was jabbed and had the cardiovascular episode (one of several mentioned in the abstract) would not have been able to participate in this study as he was younger than 28.

Further studies are needed for younger age groups before one can even THINK of administering these shots to the younger people.

That's why, in Mexico, only those over 18 are able to take any of the shots. They are starting to phase it down to the minors but ONLY those that are deemed as high-risk, and only those 15 and up. No one in their right mind right now in MX would recommend the shots for ANY minor unless they were at really high risk (and that is a very small percentage of the population).

Agreed.

That being said, it’s only an option if there is good intent behind those creating and administering these shots in the first place. Which I feel is not the case.

InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:33 am

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:25 am

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:22 am

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:19 am

I know quite a few people that have passed away from the virus. Others, who only had a mild case.

Notice my use of the term: "exclusively"

A sickness can cause various complications. I would need to share with you again what my pathologist student from Spain said about how they determine the cause of death.

It's the hospital protocols that end up killing them. If you let them put you on a ventilator, you're dead for sure.

Plenty of doctors that have prescribed ivermectin to their patients report an almost 100% recovery rate.

Another thing hospitals fail to do is verify for secondary bacterial lung infections which is easily treated with antibiotics.

Not saying it's good for you but I've known a couple on ventilators - one recently - and have survived.

I suggest someone do copies of this abstract, and the paper, before it too becomes vanished.

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:19 am

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:14 am

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:12 am It seems that these heart problems are almost uniquely with the MRNA jabs.

I'm not sure about JnJ's stats yet. Sinovac's main problem has been anaphylaxis (allergic reaction to vaccine components) and every now and then a case of Bell's Palsy.

All for a virus that virtually no one is exclusively dying from.

I know quite a few people that have passed away from the virus. Others, who only had a mild case.

We've been here before.
You don't know people who have passed away from the virus, you know people who have passed away with the virus. They had comorbidities which in and of themselves were life threatening.