LDS Freedom Forum

TrueFaith wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 12:57 pm This was posted earlier. Comments are mostly great.

I'm glad more and more members are saying no to them. I think they thought they could push anything on the members and we'd all just go along because "follow the prophet". Turns out, many members know when you have crossed a line.

No thanks, Elder Rasband.

TrueFaith wrote: ↑November 24th, 2021, 9:52 am If someone told you to buy and take a new drug cooked up in a basement from a convicted drug dealer, what would you say? At minimum my answer would be, "you know, based on this person's past I think I will wait a while to make sure this is actually safe to take."

Elder Rasband's response is, "no, you should obey me and take this new drug right now from this convicted drug dealer. God has used this evil drug dealer to create a miracle."

So I wait a year and find out that this new drug from a convicted drug dealer is causing people to be seriously injured and dying. It also doesn't do anything to help you in anyway. My new response would be, "Wow! I was right, good thing I didn't take this dangerous, experimental drug! I was right to judge this drug based on this drug dealer's history."

Elder Rasband's answer is still, "It doesn't matter, you need to take it anyway. This convicted drug dealer is God's wise servant. Take his drug immediately!"

I mean...what else do you say to that? I'm not blind. I can see what is happening. I can do my own research. I know I should never trust drug dealers with very shady pasts. Clown world.

Mamabear wrote: ↑November 24th, 2021, 10:30 am

TrueFaith wrote: ↑November 24th, 2021, 9:52 am If someone told you to buy and take a new drug cooked up in a basement from a convicted drug dealer, what would you say? At minimum my answer would be, "you know, based on this person's past I think I will wait a while to make sure this is actually safe to take."

Elder Rasband's response is, "no, you should obey me and take this new drug right now from this convicted drug dealer. God has used this evil drug dealer to create a miracle."

So I wait a year and find out that this new drug from a convicted drug dealer is causing people to be seriously injured and dying. It also doesn't do anything to help you in anyway. My new response would be, "Wow! I was right, good thing I didn't take this dangerous, experimental drug! I was right to judge this drug based on this drug dealer's history."

Elder Rasband's answer is still, "It doesn't matter, you need to take it anyway. This convicted drug dealer is God's wise servant. Take his drug immediately!"

I mean...what else do you say to that? I'm not blind. I can see what is happening. I can do my own research. I know I should never trust drug dealers with very shady pasts. Clown world.

Yep. Big pharma is pretty much a “convicted” drug dealer without the conviction. And they want their drugs to harm and kill people whilst making millions.

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 6:58 pm

The Red Pill wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 5:29 pm

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 4:56 pm

The Red Pill wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 4:29 pm Not being able to understand and interpret both the data and implications of the graph below is VERY UN-WISE and VERY UN-THOUGHTFUL

Ivermectin is IVERMECTIN, it does NOT matter if is is a pill, paste or whatever. The important thing is to adjust the dosage by weight. Usually Mg/Kg/Day. It is EXTREMELY UN-WISE and morally bankrupt to not administer Ivermectin (in any form) to save a life. Big pharma has demonized Ivermectin and made it difficult to obtain...hence the use of the veterinary variety.

Folks, this is the CDC's OWN data. Why are people having a hard time with this? The covid jab is the MOST DEADLY in the history of the world...PERIOD...END OF STORY!!!!

Rasband is an IDIOT, if he thinks otherwise!!!

Source and additional data: https://vaersanalysis.info/2021/11/19/v ... 1-12-2021/

You have lies, then you have damned lies, then you have statistics.

Ivermectin as the active ingredient is the same whether administered to livestock or to humans. The inert ingredients that are in the paste or in the pills, for veterinary use or for human use, are quite different, designed for the physiology of the animal or human implicated.

Please share with us all, your research that proves your last paragraph. But more importantly, provide details on WHY those inert ingredients would not be suitable for human consumption. That was your implication. We are talking about using it to save a life when the regular Ivermectin is not available.

Your comments are dangerous and could scare someone away from using vet Ivermectin in an emergency situation...is that what you want???

https://www.durvet.com/wp-content/uploa ... 15_SDS.pdf

That is EXACTLY what I want. Veterinary ivermectin is not good for human consumption.

Imagine taking a medicine where 92 percent of the components of the medicine are deemed "Trade Secrets" and yet, they show up on a toxicology list for humans. Also, it mentions that it reduces fertility and can kill an unborn child if a woman takes it.

Before you get into any particulars about what the sheet says, I will have you know that this medicine was formed in 2009 and the SDS is from 2012.

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 6:58 pm Veterinary ivermectin is not good for human consumption.

InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑November 24th, 2021, 11:23 am

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 6:58 pm

The Red Pill wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 5:29 pm

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 4:56 pm

You have lies, then you have damned lies, then you have statistics.

Ivermectin as the active ingredient is the same whether administered to livestock or to humans. The inert ingredients that are in the paste or in the pills, for veterinary use or for human use, are quite different, designed for the physiology of the animal or human implicated.

Please share with us all, your research that proves your last paragraph. But more importantly, provide details on WHY those inert ingredients would not be suitable for human consumption. That was your implication. We are talking about using it to save a life when the regular Ivermectin is not available.

Your comments are dangerous and could scare someone away from using vet Ivermectin in an emergency situation...is that what you want???

https://www.durvet.com/wp-content/uploa ... 15_SDS.pdf

That is EXACTLY what I want. Veterinary ivermectin is not good for human consumption.

Imagine taking a medicine where 92 percent of the components of the medicine are deemed "Trade Secrets" and yet, they show up on a toxicology list for humans. Also, it mentions that it reduces fertility and can kill an unborn child if a woman takes it.

Before you get into any particulars about what the sheet says, I will have you know that this medicine was formed in 2009 and the SDS is from 2012.

Ivermectin is ivermectin is ivermectin. There is literally nothing different from the horse ivermectin and the human prescribed pill. The only difference is the container, dose, and flavoring.

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 24th, 2021, 11:27 am

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 6:58 pm Veterinary ivermectin is not good for human consumption.

I know over a dozen people who take it regularly that would say otherwise.

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 24th, 2021, 11:56 am

Gadianton Slayer wrote: ↑November 24th, 2021, 11:27 am

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 6:58 pm Veterinary ivermectin is not good for human consumption.

I know over a dozen people who take it regularly that would say otherwise.

Nothing's happening to them NOW, but it's going to cause problems down the road.

TrueFaith wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 12:57 pm This was posted earlier. Comments are mostly great.

I'm glad more and more members are saying no to them. I think they thought they could push anything on the members and we'd all just go along because "follow the prophet". Turns out, many members know when you have crossed a line.

No thanks, Elder Rasband.

OPMissionary wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 12:08 pm "Godsend." Lmao. Which god, Rasband? The Lord of Hosts works through Bill Gates and Pfizer to deliver "miracles?" "Miracles" with a 3% efficacy rating? A "miracle" that has caused countless side effects and death? Doesn't sound like the God I know. But maybe we pray to different gods.

EvanLM wrote: ↑November 25th, 2021, 5:37 am I don't know what it would be like to "follow the prophet" for the other leaders of COJCLDS who see him or get directions from him daily. I mean face to face every day. He is kind of a force to reckon with. Probably has the personality of Pres. Joseph Smith who was pretty loud and ornery at times. Anyway that face to face pressure if a person second guesses themself could be very troubling.

I'm not making any excuses for the followers and promoters of this vax, I'm just saying thank heaven that I don't have to face RMN every day with his scolding. He is probably mad as h@!! because we are not all following him and who best to take it out on than the apostles and other leaders.

My point is that, I am sure these leaders are convinced that everything out of his mouth is prophetic and in order to be the next prophet they should follow this prophet and prove something to God.

This also shows the wickedness in our church and the willingness to throw a brother under the bus. If you agree with the prophet then you will not be thrown under the bus. Kinda a funny realization in the face of the prophet preaching prejudice. Rather, he is helping to promote a new prejudice.

Had a blessing approx two years ago. I was told to be confidant, among a few other things. I do second guess, but have found that in the last 6 years, I have stopped second guessing and am real clear who is of the wrong opinion.

And after satan had beguiled Eve and she had eaten the forbidden fruit, Satan then told Eve to go get Adam to eat of the fruit. sorry, hope this isn't as serious but I see how satan can lead many men astray by a small group. May God have mercy

abijah` wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 5:40 pm

InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑November 24th, 2021, 11:23 am

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 6:58 pm

The Red Pill wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 5:29 pm

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 4:56 pm

You have lies, then you have damned lies, then you have statistics.

Ivermectin as the active ingredient is the same whether administered to livestock or to humans. The inert ingredients that are in the paste or in the pills, for veterinary use or for human use, are quite different, designed for the physiology of the animal or human implicated.

Please share with us all, your research that proves your last paragraph. But more importantly, provide details on WHY those inert ingredients would not be suitable for human consumption. That was your implication. We are talking about using it to save a life when the regular Ivermectin is not available.

Your comments are dangerous and could scare someone away from using vet Ivermectin in an emergency situation...is that what you want???

https://www.durvet.com/wp-content/uploa ... 15_SDS.pdf

That is EXACTLY what I want. Veterinary ivermectin is not good for human consumption.

Imagine taking a medicine where 92 percent of the components of the medicine are deemed "Trade Secrets" and yet, they show up on a toxicology list for humans. Also, it mentions that it reduces fertility and can kill an unborn child if a woman takes it.

Before you get into any particulars about what the sheet says, I will have you know that this medicine was formed in 2009 and the SDS is from 2012.

Ivermectin is ivermectin is ivermectin. There is literally nothing different from the horse ivermectin and the human prescribed pill. The only difference is the container, dose, and flavoring.

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 25th, 2021, 7:50 am

InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑November 24th, 2021, 11:23 am

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 6:58 pm

The Red Pill wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 5:29 pm

Please share with us all, your research that proves your last paragraph. But more importantly, provide details on WHY those inert ingredients would not be suitable for human consumption. That was your implication. We are talking about using it to save a life when the regular Ivermectin is not available.

Your comments are dangerous and could scare someone away from using vet Ivermectin in an emergency situation...is that what you want???

https://www.durvet.com/wp-content/uploa ... 15_SDS.pdf

That is EXACTLY what I want. Veterinary ivermectin is not good for human consumption.

Imagine taking a medicine where 92 percent of the components of the medicine are deemed "Trade Secrets" and yet, they show up on a toxicology list for humans. Also, it mentions that it reduces fertility and can kill an unborn child if a woman takes it.

Before you get into any particulars about what the sheet says, I will have you know that this medicine was formed in 2009 and the SDS is from 2012.

Ivermectin is ivermectin is ivermectin. There is literally nothing different from the horse ivermectin and the human prescribed pill. The only difference is the container, dose, and flavoring.

I showed you how they are indeed very different, literally popping up the MSDS from the company that manufactures the horse ivermectin.

TrueFaith wrote: ↑November 24th, 2021, 9:52 am If someone told you to buy and take a new drug cooked up in a basement from a convicted drug dealer, what would you say? At minimum my answer would be, "you know, based on this person's past I think I will wait a while to make sure this is actually safe to take."

Elder Rasband's response is, "no, you should obey me and take this new drug right now from this convicted drug dealer. God has used this evil drug dealer to create a miracle."

So I wait a year and find out that this new drug from a convicted drug dealer is causing people to be seriously injured and dying. It also doesn't do anything to help you in anyway. My new response would be, "Wow! I was right, good thing I didn't take this dangerous, experimental drug! I was right to judge this drug based on this drug dealer's history."

Elder Rasband's answer is still, "It doesn't matter, you need to take it anyway. This convicted drug dealer is God's wise servant. Take his drug immediately!"

I mean...what else do you say to that? I'm not blind. I can see what is happening. I can do my own research. I know I should never trust drug dealers with very shady pasts. Clown world.

InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑November 25th, 2021, 8:36 am

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 25th, 2021, 7:50 am

InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑November 24th, 2021, 11:23 am

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 6:58 pm

https://www.durvet.com/wp-content/uploa ... 15_SDS.pdf

That is EXACTLY what I want. Veterinary ivermectin is not good for human consumption.

Imagine taking a medicine where 92 percent of the components of the medicine are deemed "Trade Secrets" and yet, they show up on a toxicology list for humans. Also, it mentions that it reduces fertility and can kill an unborn child if a woman takes it.

Before you get into any particulars about what the sheet says, I will have you know that this medicine was formed in 2009 and the SDS is from 2012.

Ivermectin is ivermectin is ivermectin. There is literally nothing different from the horse ivermectin and the human prescribed pill. The only difference is the container, dose, and flavoring.

I showed you how they are indeed very different, literally popping up the MSDS from the company that manufactures the horse ivermectin.

Maybe you can explain specifically how it's different? I read it and I'm just not seeing it.

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 25th, 2021, 11:22 am

InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑November 25th, 2021, 8:36 am

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 25th, 2021, 7:50 am

InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑November 24th, 2021, 11:23 am


Ivermectin is ivermectin is ivermectin. There is literally nothing different from the horse ivermectin and the human prescribed pill. The only difference is the container, dose, and flavoring.

I showed you how they are indeed very different, literally popping up the MSDS from the company that manufactures the horse ivermectin.

Maybe you can explain specifically how it's different? I read it and I'm just not seeing it.

The SDS that I sent to the forum is for the horse paste.

For the SDS for the ones designed for humans, there's a full page of Google results and even a few components are different amongst themselves as it's a tricky chemical to handle.

PeacefulProtests wrote: ↑November 25th, 2021, 11:08 am

TrueFaith wrote: ↑November 24th, 2021, 9:52 am If someone told you to buy and take a new drug cooked up in a basement from a convicted drug dealer, what would you say? At minimum my answer would be, "you know, based on this person's past I think I will wait a while to make sure this is actually safe to take."

Elder Rasband's response is, "no, you should obey me and take this new drug right now from this convicted drug dealer. God has used this evil drug dealer to create a miracle."

So I wait a year and find out that this new drug from a convicted drug dealer is causing people to be seriously injured and dying. It also doesn't do anything to help you in anyway. My new response would be, "Wow! I was right, good thing I didn't take this dangerous, experimental drug! I was right to judge this drug based on this drug dealer's history."

Elder Rasband's answer is still, "It doesn't matter, you need to take it anyway. This convicted drug dealer is God's wise servant. Take his drug immediately!"

I mean...what else do you say to that? I'm not blind. I can see what is happening. I can do my own research. I know I should never trust drug dealers with very shady pasts. Clown world.

If a Company told you they had made a drug that was extremely effective to ending a certain disease and if everybody took their drug the disease would be eradicated, and it would put them out of business would you believe them? Aka Moderna

And then you realized that that company was building production facilities around the country to produce that product indefinitely into the future, even though they told you that once everybody had taken it the disease would be eradicated and the drug would no longer be needed. lol

But please keep listening to the Church leaders and politicians who really want to end this cash cow....ahem, I mean pandemic

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 25th, 2021, 7:49 am This is a horrible misuse of scripture, as is the "arm of flesh" referring to vaccines.

abijah` wrote: ↑November 25th, 2021, 5:24 pm

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 25th, 2021, 7:49 am This is a horrible misuse of scripture, as is the "arm of flesh" referring to vaccines.

what scripture?

and i didn't say anything about "arm of flesh"... but thats obviously what vaccines are lol, i mean cmon... unless you're implying that vaccines are not of the flesh and come from a spiritual source, which might actually be based, but probly not in the way you meant

just watch, fresh-endowed Zion's medicines and pharmakeia will blow this worlds' medicines and pharmakeia out of the water, and then it will be much more obvious to you the vast gulf of difference between the techne "of the flesh" versus the techne of indwelt-Zion.