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Re: Elder Rasband Covid-19 "vaccines": A "godsend from heaven"
Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 10:35 am
by silverado
PeacefulProtests wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:41 am
It was before my time but does anybody remember the 1976 Swine Flu vaccine?. I was talking to my dad the other day and he said the Church back then was pushing that one as well, not sure they went as far as to call it a Godsend but then again they didn't push that "pandemic" nearly as hard as they did this one. Then remember that vaccine was pulled off the market as soon as they realized it was killing people, only a small handful, but that was before drug companies had complete liability protection from these products.
Then there was the 2009 Swine flu debacle which fizzled out after Wolfgang Wodarg called out the WHO, after discovering they were pressured by drug companies into declaring a pandemic to sell vaccines. I remember being in my ward and my bishop urged everybody to take the vaccine in Elders Quorum, at the time I thought why do I need this, nobody around here is sick, so I passed on that one as well. I can't remember what the messaging was from Church headquarters back then but turns out that was a complete scam as well
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... chief.html
The Church seems to have this weird fascination with vaccines and this isn't the first time they've been wrong
My stake president spoke in sacrament meeting a few weeks ago, to urge us to follow the prophet and get the vakz. He said that the church supporting vakz was nothing new. We had been urged to get the polio one back then, and the one in 1976. Great argument for getting it!
Re: Elder Rasband Covid-19 "vaccines": A "godsend from heaven"
Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 11:22 am
by Chip
silverado wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 10:35 am
PeacefulProtests wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:41 am
It was before my time but does anybody remember the 1976 Swine Flu vaccine?. I was talking to my dad the other day and he said the Church back then was pushing that one as well, not sure they went as far as to call it a Godsend but then again they didn't push that "pandemic" nearly as hard as they did this one. Then remember that vaccine was pulled off the market as soon as they realized it was killing people, only a small handful, but that was before drug companies had complete liability protection from these products.
Then there was the 2009 Swine flu debacle which fizzled out after Wolfgang Wodarg called out the WHO, after discovering they were pressured by drug companies into declaring a pandemic to sell vaccines. I remember being in my ward and my bishop urged everybody to take the vaccine in Elders Quorum, at the time I thought why do I need this, nobody around here is sick, so I passed on that one as well. I can't remember what the messaging was from Church headquarters back then but turns out that was a complete scam as well
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... chief.html
The Church seems to have this weird fascination with vaccines and this isn't the first time they've been wrong
My stake president spoke in sacrament meeting a few weeks ago, to urge us to follow the prophet and get the vakz. He said that the church supporting vakz was nothing new. We had been urged to get the polio one back then, and the one in 1976. Great argument for getting it!
Wilfull morons.
This is not a vaccine. How come that, and the fact that it's unsafe never gets any airtime from these voices?
Re: Elder Rasband Covid-19 "vaccines": A "godsend from heaven"
Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 11:56 am
by Mamabear
Trucker wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 7:29 am
I really don't like this. I don't like his demeanor. I don't like his "church voice", eg, "may I share this with you?"
This is what I would ask him:
Can you guarantee that I won't have any negative side effects if I take the shot?
Can you guarantee that Covid will go away if everyone takes the shots?
Can you confirm that the church would inform the members if there are any problems with the shots?
Can you confirm that the church is aware of complications and deaths that have resulted because of the shots?
Ask him those. Not if the prophet said we should get them or not.
Don’t forget to ask, “if it’s so effective, why isn’t it working? Why are people still getting covid?”
And, “what happened to the first presidency’s message that the vax decision is between you, your doctor and the Holy Ghost. Why did you change your mind and tell everyone to get it?”
And, “In April 2021 the prophet said to follow local rules and mandates so that things could get back to normal. After the local rules and mandates relaxed, why did the first presidency decide to step in and tell people to wear masks AGAIN and get vaccinated?”
I’ll shut up now.
Re: Elder Rasband Covid-19 "vaccines": A "godsend from heaven"
Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 11:58 am
by Sirius
Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 4:03 am
Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 8:43 pm
silverado wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 4:50 pm
The interviewer says "high profile leaders in Africa" have spoken out against it. Notice that when Elder Rasband quotes the letter, he leaves out the last paragraph- the part about following "the wise and thoughtful recommendations of medical experts and government leaders". Why is that?
Simple.
He said in this world of conflict where there are leaders of other persuasions speaking out against the vaccine and the Prophet speaking out in favor of the vaccine, he said to follow the Prophet.
The question from the girl was specifically referring to the government leaders of Africa. Rasband was telling this girl to not listen to her government leaders. Which contradicts the church letter. They are hypocrites. They have an agenda. They have a shot to push and stocks to raise.
If they are a "global" church, why in the hell aren't they speaking up for medical tyranny around the globe? Australia just went bat crap crazy and nada from the Q15 when freedom and agency are involved.
And that is a big red flag! God will ALWAYS hold freedom and agency higher than anything, especially a vaccine. When freedom is in question, that should always be the focus over anything else. Here, it is obviously not.
Re: Elder Rasband Covid-19 "vaccines": A "godsend from heaven"
Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 12:30 pm
by Trucker
Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 8:43 pm
silverado wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 4:50 pm
The interviewer says "high profile leaders in Africa" have spoken out against it. Notice that when Elder Rasband quotes the letter, he leaves out the last paragraph- the part about following "the wise and thoughtful recommendations of medical experts and government leaders". Why is that?
Simple.
He said in this world of conflict where there are leaders of other persuasions speaking out against the vaccine and the Prophet speaking out in favor of the vaccine, he said to follow the Prophet.
Yeah I thought the actual question was a weasel question. It was basically "Some other leaders in Africa say to not take the shot" and he answered, "If it's between some other leader and the prophet, then follow the prophet."
But if the question was, "There is data showing long-lasting and harmful side-effects of people who got the shot, so I am reluctant to get the shot. What should I do?" Then he would have to answer that.
Instead it's a weasel question about which "leader" we should follow, not about the safety or effectiveness of the vaccine.
Re: Elder Rasband Covid-19 "vaccines": A "godsend from heaven"
Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 1:13 pm
by InfoWarrior82
Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 8:43 pm
silverado wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 4:50 pm
The interviewer says "high profile leaders in Africa" have spoken out against it. Notice that when Elder Rasband quotes the letter, he leaves out the last paragraph- the part about following "the wise and thoughtful recommendations of medical experts and government leaders". Why is that?
Simple.
He said in this world of conflict where there are leaders of other persuasions speaking out against the vaccine and the Prophet speaking out in favor of the vaccine, he said to follow the Prophet.
Negative, Ghostrider.
The quote is:
Dear Brothers and Sisters:
We find ourselves fighting a war against the ravages of COVID-19 and its variants, an unrelenting pandemic. We want to do all we can to limit the spread of these viruses. We know that protection from the diseases they cause can only be achieved by immunizing a very high percentage of the population.
To limit exposure to these viruses, we urge the use of face masks in public meetings whenever social distancing is not possible. To provide personal protection from such severe infections, we urge individuals to be vaccinated. Available vaccines have proven to be both safe and effective.
We can win this war if everyone will follow the wise and thoughtful recommendations of medical experts and government leaders. Please know of our sincere love and great concern for all of God’s children.
The First Presidency
Russell M. Nelson
Dallin H. Oaks
Henry B. Eyring
They literally said doctors and politicians.
Re: Elder Rasband Covid-19 "vaccines": A "godsend from heaven"
Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 1:38 pm
by Chip
Trucker wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 12:30 pm
Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 8:43 pm
silverado wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 4:50 pm
The interviewer says "high profile leaders in Africa" have spoken out against it. Notice that when Elder Rasband quotes the letter, he leaves out the last paragraph- the part about following "the wise and thoughtful recommendations of medical experts and government leaders". Why is that?
Simple.
He said in this world of conflict where there are leaders of other persuasions speaking out against the vaccine and the Prophet speaking out in favor of the vaccine, he said to follow the Prophet.
Yeah I thought the actual question was a weasel question. It was basically "Some other leaders in Africa say to not take the shot" and he answered, "If it's between some other leader and the prophet, then follow the prophet."
But if the question was, "There is data showing long-lasting and harmful side-effects of people who got the shot, so I am reluctant to get the shot. What should I do?" Then he would have to answer that.
Instead it's a weasel question about which "leader" we should follow, not about the safety or effectiveness of the vaccine.
Right. They make it all about WHO people ought follow, not WHAT people ought to follow.
Re: Elder Rasband Covid-19 "vaccines": A "godsend from heaven"
Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 1:43 pm
by TrueFaith
silverado wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 10:35 am
PeacefulProtests wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:41 am
It was before my time but does anybody remember the 1976 Swine Flu vaccine?. I was talking to my dad the other day and he said the Church back then was pushing that one as well, not sure they went as far as to call it a Godsend but then again they didn't push that "pandemic" nearly as hard as they did this one. Then remember that vaccine was pulled off the market as soon as they realized it was killing people, only a small handful, but that was before drug companies had complete liability protection from these products.
Then there was the 2009 Swine flu debacle which fizzled out after Wolfgang Wodarg called out the WHO, after discovering they were pressured by drug companies into declaring a pandemic to sell vaccines. I remember being in my ward and my bishop urged everybody to take the vaccine in Elders Quorum, at the time I thought why do I need this, nobody around here is sick, so I passed on that one as well. I can't remember what the messaging was from Church headquarters back then but turns out that was a complete scam as well
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... chief.html
The Church seems to have this weird fascination with vaccines and this isn't the first time they've been wrong
My stake president spoke in sacrament meeting a few weeks ago, to urge us to follow the prophet and get the vakz. He said that the church supporting vakz was nothing new. We had been urged to get the polio one back then, and the one in 1976. Great argument for getting it!
This is such a dishonest argument. Firstly everyone knows our current government is much different, much more hostile today than it was back then. We had four years of utter insanity from the deep state and media before "Covid" hit. We know they're not telling us the truth anymore.
Secondly, back then people were seeing kids literally losing the ability to walk from the alleged Poliovirus (whether you believe polio wasn't just DDT poisoning is besides the point). What we have with "Covid" is a standard flu variation. There is no comparison between the two.
And lastly, everyone knows you cannot reasonably create a safely proven "vaccine" in six months. To say this was a "godsend" is just asinine. We know who profits from these things, we know the history of Pfizer and others who have had their pants sued off in the past for deceiving people with dangerous medicine.
These ridiculous arguments from our leaders is willful lying and deception. We know it. We're not stupid.
Re: Elder Rasband Covid-19 "vaccines": A "godsend from heaven"
Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 2:02 pm
by Subcomandante
InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 1:13 pm
Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 8:43 pm
silverado wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 4:50 pm
The interviewer says "high profile leaders in Africa" have spoken out against it. Notice that when Elder Rasband quotes the letter, he leaves out the last paragraph- the part about following "the wise and thoughtful recommendations of medical experts and government leaders". Why is that?
Simple.
He said in this world of conflict where there are leaders of other persuasions speaking out against the vaccine and the Prophet speaking out in favor of the vaccine, he said to follow the Prophet.
Negative, Ghostrider.
The quote is:
Dear Brothers and Sisters:
We find ourselves fighting a war against the ravages of COVID-19 and its variants, an unrelenting pandemic. We want to do all we can to limit the spread of these viruses. We know that protection from the diseases they cause can only be achieved by immunizing a very high percentage of the population.
To limit exposure to these viruses, we urge the use of face masks in public meetings whenever social distancing is not possible. To provide personal protection from such severe infections, we urge individuals to be vaccinated. Available vaccines have proven to be both safe and effective.
We can win this war if everyone will follow the wise and thoughtful recommendations of medical experts and government leaders. Please know of our sincere love and great concern for all of God’s children.
The First Presidency
Russell M. Nelson
Dallin H. Oaks
Henry B. Eyring
They literally said doctors and politicians.
Wise and thoughtful recommendations of medical experts and government leaders.
As in, if the recommendations of the politicians are wise and thoughtful, they are to be followed.
Wearing a mask in an area where social distancing is not possible, such as in a crowded subway train: Wise and thoughtful.
Drinking 100mL of vodka to kill the virus along with hot soup: Not wise and thoughtful.
Re: Elder Rasband Covid-19 "vaccines": A "godsend from heaven"
Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 2:12 pm
by Robin Hood
Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 2:02 pm
Drinking 100mL of vodka to kill the virus along with hot soup: Not wise and thoughtful.
Perhaps... but clearly no less effective than the jab.
Re: Elder Rasband Covid-19 "vaccines": A "godsend from heaven"
Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 2:19 pm
by InfoWarrior82
Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 2:02 pm
InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 1:13 pm
Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 8:43 pm
silverado wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 4:50 pm
The interviewer says "high profile leaders in Africa" have spoken out against it. Notice that when Elder Rasband quotes the letter, he leaves out the last paragraph- the part about following "the wise and thoughtful recommendations of medical experts and government leaders". Why is that?
Simple.
He said in this world of conflict where there are leaders of other persuasions speaking out against the vaccine and the Prophet speaking out in favor of the vaccine, he said to follow the Prophet.
Negative, Ghostrider.
The quote is:
Dear Brothers and Sisters:
We find ourselves fighting a war against the ravages of COVID-19 and its variants, an unrelenting pandemic. We want to do all we can to limit the spread of these viruses. We know that protection from the diseases they cause can only be achieved by immunizing a very high percentage of the population.
To limit exposure to these viruses, we urge the use of face masks in public meetings whenever social distancing is not possible. To provide personal protection from such severe infections, we urge individuals to be vaccinated. Available vaccines have proven to be both safe and effective.
We can win this war if everyone will follow the wise and thoughtful recommendations of medical experts and government leaders. Please know of our sincere love and great concern for all of God’s children.
The First Presidency
Russell M. Nelson
Dallin H. Oaks
Henry B. Eyring
They literally said doctors and politicians.
Wise and thoughtful recommendations of medical experts and government leaders.
As in, if the recommendations of the politicians are wise and thoughtful, they are to be followed.
Wearing a mask in an area where social distancing is not possible, such as in a crowded subway train: Wise and thoughtful.
Drinking 100mL of vodka to kill the virus along with hot soup: Not wise and thoughtful.
The only IF in their statement was:
We can win this war
IF everyone will follow the wise and thoughtful recommendations of medical experts and government leaders.
It says nothing about not following these people if their recommendations are not wise or thoughtful.
Re: Elder Rasband Covid-19 "vaccines": A "godsend from heaven"
Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 2:21 pm
by Lizzy60
Robin Hood wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 2:12 pm
Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 2:02 pm
Drinking 100mL of vodka to kill the virus along with hot soup: Not wise and thoughtful.
Perhaps... but clearly no less effective than the jab.
I would choose the vodka and hot soup over the jab every day and twice on Sunday.
Re: Elder Rasband Covid-19 "vaccines": A "godsend from heaven"
Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 3:08 pm
by Subcomandante
InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 2:19 pm
Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 2:02 pm
InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 1:13 pm
Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 8:43 pm
Simple.
He said in this world of conflict where there are leaders of other persuasions speaking out against the vaccine and the Prophet speaking out in favor of the vaccine, he said to follow the Prophet.
Negative, Ghostrider.
The quote is:
Dear Brothers and Sisters:
We find ourselves fighting a war against the ravages of COVID-19 and its variants, an unrelenting pandemic. We want to do all we can to limit the spread of these viruses. We know that protection from the diseases they cause can only be achieved by immunizing a very high percentage of the population.
To limit exposure to these viruses, we urge the use of face masks in public meetings whenever social distancing is not possible. To provide personal protection from such severe infections, we urge individuals to be vaccinated. Available vaccines have proven to be both safe and effective.
We can win this war if everyone will follow the wise and thoughtful recommendations of medical experts and government leaders. Please know of our sincere love and great concern for all of God’s children.
The First Presidency
Russell M. Nelson
Dallin H. Oaks
Henry B. Eyring
They literally said doctors and politicians.
Wise and thoughtful recommendations of medical experts and government leaders.
As in, if the recommendations of the politicians are wise and thoughtful, they are to be followed.
Wearing a mask in an area where social distancing is not possible, such as in a crowded subway train: Wise and thoughtful.
Drinking 100mL of vodka to kill the virus along with hot soup: Not wise and thoughtful.
The only IF in their statement was:
We can win this war
IF everyone will follow the wise and thoughtful recommendations of medical experts and government leaders.
It says nothing about not following these people if their recommendations are not wise or thoughtful.
That's literally what "IF" means.
If is a conditional. As in, This will happen if we do something.
Implied in the statement is another factor: The recommendations of the medical experts and government leaders need to be wise and thoughtful.
Drinking vodka to take out the virus is not wise or thoughtful, albeit the counsel came from a government leader by the name Lukashenko of Belarus.
Holding out on a vaccine until your doctor comes across the ingredients list because the doctor knows you have some medicinal allergies IS a wise and thoughtful response. When the doctor clears you for a vaccine but you choose not to take it, that is not being wise nor thoughtful. A doctor prescribing a VETERINARY dosage of ivermectin is NOT being wise nor thoughtful, though one prescribing a HUMAN dosage of it is being wise and thoughtful, for the simple reason that you are a human and not a horse or a cow.
Re: Elder Rasband Covid-19 "vaccines": A "godsend from heaven"
Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 4:29 pm
by The Red Pill
Not being able to understand and interpret both the data and implications of the graph below is
VERY UN-WISE and
VERY UN-THOUGHTFUL
Ivermectin is IVERMECTIN, it does NOT matter if is is a pill, paste or whatever. The important thing is to adjust the dosage by weight. Usually Mg/Kg/Day. It is
EXTREMELY UN-WISE and morally bankrupt to not administer Ivermectin (in any form) to save a life. Big pharma has demonized Ivermectin and made it difficult to obtain...hence the use of the veterinary variety.
Folks, this is the CDC's OWN data. Why are people having a hard time with this? The covid jab is the MOST DEADLY in the history of the world...PERIOD...END OF STORY!!!!
Rasband is an IDIOT, if he thinks otherwise!!!
Source and additional data:
https://vaersanalysis.info/2021/11/19/v ... 1-12-2021/
Re: Elder Rasband Covid-19 "vaccines": A "godsend from heaven"
Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 4:56 pm
by Subcomandante
The Red Pill wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 4:29 pm
Not being able to understand and interpret both the data and implications of the graph below is
VERY UN-WISE and
VERY UN-THOUGHTFUL
Ivermectin is IVERMECTIN, it does NOT matter if is is a pill, paste or whatever. The important thing is to adjust the dosage by weight. Usually Mg/Kg/Day. It is
EXTREMELY UN-WISE and morally bankrupt to not administer Ivermectin (in any form) to save a life. Big pharma has demonized Ivermectin and made it difficult to obtain...hence the use of the veterinary variety.
Folks, this is the CDC's OWN data. Why are people having a hard time with this? The covid jab is the MOST DEADLY in the history of the world...PERIOD...END OF STORY!!!!
Rasband is an IDIOT, if he thinks otherwise!!!
Source and additional data:
https://vaersanalysis.info/2021/11/19/v ... 1-12-2021/
You have lies, then you have damned lies, then you have statistics.
Ivermectin as the active ingredient is the same whether administered to livestock or to humans. The inert ingredients that are in the paste or in the pills, for veterinary use or for human use, are quite different, designed for the physiology of the animal or human implicated.
Re: Elder Rasband Covid-19 "vaccines": A "godsend from heaven"
Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 5:29 pm
by The Red Pill
Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 4:56 pm
The Red Pill wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 4:29 pm
Not being able to understand and interpret both the data and implications of the graph below is
VERY UN-WISE and
VERY UN-THOUGHTFUL
Ivermectin is IVERMECTIN, it does NOT matter if is is a pill, paste or whatever. The important thing is to adjust the dosage by weight. Usually Mg/Kg/Day. It is
EXTREMELY UN-WISE and morally bankrupt to not administer Ivermectin (in any form) to save a life. Big pharma has demonized Ivermectin and made it difficult to obtain...hence the use of the veterinary variety.
Folks, this is the CDC's OWN data. Why are people having a hard time with this? The covid jab is the MOST DEADLY in the history of the world...PERIOD...END OF STORY!!!!
Rasband is an IDIOT, if he thinks otherwise!!!
Source and additional data:
https://vaersanalysis.info/2021/11/19/v ... 1-12-2021/
You have lies, then you have damned lies, then you have statistics.
Ivermectin as the active ingredient is the same whether administered to livestock or to humans. The inert ingredients that are in the paste or in the pills, for veterinary use or for human use, are quite different, designed for the physiology of the animal or human implicated.
Please share with us all, your research that proves your last paragraph. But more importantly, provide details on WHY those inert ingredients would not be suitable for human consumption. That was your implication. We are talking about using it to save a life when the regular Ivermectin is not available.
Your comments are dangerous and could scare someone away from using vet Ivermectin in an emergency situation...is that what you want???
Re: Elder Rasband Covid-19 "vaccines": A "godsend from heaven"
Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 5:37 pm
by InfoWarrior82
Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 3:08 pm
InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 2:19 pm
Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 2:02 pm
InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 1:13 pm
Negative, Ghostrider.
The quote is:
They literally said doctors and politicians.
Wise and thoughtful recommendations of medical experts and government leaders.
As in, if the recommendations of the politicians are wise and thoughtful, they are to be followed.
Wearing a mask in an area where social distancing is not possible, such as in a crowded subway train: Wise and thoughtful.
Drinking 100mL of vodka to kill the virus along with hot soup: Not wise and thoughtful.
The only IF in their statement was:
We can win this war
IF everyone will follow the wise and thoughtful recommendations of medical experts and government leaders.
It says nothing about not following these people if their recommendations are not wise or thoughtful.
That's literally what "IF" means.
If is a conditional. As in, This will happen if we do something.
Implied in the statement is another factor: The recommendations of the medical experts and government leaders need to be wise and thoughtful.
Drinking vodka to take out the virus is not wise or thoughtful, albeit the counsel came from a government leader by the name Lukashenko of Belarus.
Holding out on a vaccine until your doctor comes across the ingredients list because the doctor knows you have some medicinal allergies IS a wise and thoughtful response. When the doctor clears you for a vaccine but you choose not to take it, that is not being wise nor thoughtful. A doctor prescribing a VETERINARY dosage of ivermectin is NOT being wise nor thoughtful, though one prescribing a HUMAN dosage of it is being wise and thoughtful, for the simple reason that you are a human and not a horse or a cow.
They are saying that the doctors and politicians ARE wise and thoughtful... because they are echoing them in saying that's what we should do... AND that it's the ONLY way to "win the war".
Furthermore, the first presidency isn't saying which doctors and politicians are not wise and thoughtful and which mandates are not wise and thoughtful. They're simply just going along with whatever the government says. They just handed them a blank check to rape our god given rights in the name of "safety".
Re: Elder Rasband Covid-19 "vaccines": A "godsend from heaven"
Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 5:40 pm
by abijah`
Re: Elder Rasband Covid-19 "vaccines": A "godsend from heaven"
Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 5:51 pm
by lundbaek
The doctor I most trust recommends no mask and no vax. And he is active LDS.
Re: Elder Rasband Covid-19 "vaccines": A "godsend from heaven"
Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 6:58 pm
by Subcomandante
The Red Pill wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 5:29 pm
Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 4:56 pm
The Red Pill wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 4:29 pm
Not being able to understand and interpret both the data and implications of the graph below is
VERY UN-WISE and
VERY UN-THOUGHTFUL
Ivermectin is IVERMECTIN, it does NOT matter if is is a pill, paste or whatever. The important thing is to adjust the dosage by weight. Usually Mg/Kg/Day. It is
EXTREMELY UN-WISE and morally bankrupt to not administer Ivermectin (in any form) to save a life. Big pharma has demonized Ivermectin and made it difficult to obtain...hence the use of the veterinary variety.
Folks, this is the CDC's OWN data. Why are people having a hard time with this? The covid jab is the MOST DEADLY in the history of the world...PERIOD...END OF STORY!!!!
Rasband is an IDIOT, if he thinks otherwise!!!
Source and additional data:
https://vaersanalysis.info/2021/11/19/v ... 1-12-2021/
You have lies, then you have damned lies, then you have statistics.
Ivermectin as the active ingredient is the same whether administered to livestock or to humans. The inert ingredients that are in the paste or in the pills, for veterinary use or for human use, are quite different, designed for the physiology of the animal or human implicated.
Please share with us all, your research that proves your last paragraph. But more importantly, provide details on WHY those inert ingredients would not be suitable for human consumption. That was your implication. We are talking about using it to save a life when the regular Ivermectin is not available.
Your comments are dangerous and could scare someone away from using vet Ivermectin in an emergency situation...is that what you want???
https://www.durvet.com/wp-content/uploa ... 15_SDS.pdf
That is EXACTLY what I want. Veterinary ivermectin is not good for human consumption.
Imagine taking a medicine where 92 percent of the components of the medicine are deemed "Trade Secrets" and yet, they show up on a toxicology list for humans. Also, it mentions that it reduces fertility and can kill an unborn child if a woman takes it.
Before you get into any particulars about what the sheet says, I will have you know that this medicine was formed in 2009 and the SDS is from 2012.
Re: Elder Rasband Covid-19 "vaccines": A "godsend from heaven"
Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 6:59 pm
by Subcomandante
Re: Elder Rasband Covid-19 "vaccines": A "godsend from heaven"
Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 7:00 pm
by BroJones
lundbaek wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 5:51 pm
The doctor I most trust recommends no mask and no vax. And he is active LDS.
Sounds like a great doctor. Is he in Arizona?
Re: Elder Rasband Covid-19 "vaccines": A "godsend from heaven"
Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 7:29 pm
by lundbaek
BroJones wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 7:00 pm
lundbaek wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 5:51 pm
The doctor I most trust recommends no mask and no vax. And he is active LDS.
Sounds like a great doctor. Is he in Arizona?
The doctor I most trust recommends no mask and no vax. And he is active LDS. He is a chiropractor in Mesa, Arizona. He takes the time to explain to me what is going on with me and explains everything he is doing to help me. He has even shown me activities I can do at home to strengthen muscles and reduce pain or stiffness.
He studies other facets of medicine and health, including the covid 19 and related ailments. He believes there is a conspiracy behind the covid pandemic, and is much concerned about statements and advice given by President Nelson & Co.
Re: Elder Rasband Covid-19 "vaccines": A "godsend from heaven"
Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 8:03 pm
by JohnnyL
Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 3:08 pm
InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 2:19 pm
Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 2:02 pm
InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 1:13 pm
Negative, Ghostrider.
The quote is:
They literally said doctors and politicians.
Wise and thoughtful recommendations of medical experts and government leaders.
As in, if the recommendations of the politicians are wise and thoughtful, they are to be followed.
Wearing a mask in an area where social distancing is not possible, such as in a crowded subway train: Wise and thoughtful.
Drinking 100mL of vodka to kill the virus along with hot soup: Not wise and thoughtful.
The only IF in their statement was:
We can win this war
IF everyone will follow the wise and thoughtful recommendations of medical experts and government leaders.
It says nothing about not following these people if their recommendations are not wise or thoughtful.
That's literally what "IF" means.
If is a conditional. As in, This will happen if we do something.
Implied in the statement is another factor: The recommendations of the medical experts and government leaders need to be wise and thoughtful.
Drinking vodka to take out the virus is not wise or thoughtful, albeit the counsel came from a government leader by the name Lukashenko of Belarus.
Holding out on a vaccine until your doctor comes across the ingredients list because the doctor knows you have some medicinal allergies IS a wise and thoughtful response. When the doctor clears you for a vaccine but you choose not to take it, that is not being wise nor thoughtful. A doctor prescribing a VETERINARY dosage of ivermectin is NOT being wise nor thoughtful, though one prescribing a HUMAN dosage of it is being wise and thoughtful, for the simple reason that you are a human and not a horse or a cow.
Uh, there is no such thing as a veterinary dose, I'm guessing you meant a veterinary medicine. But if you check the ingredients... they're the same.
What IS different? $4 vs $40+$80 visit to doctor to get a prescription.
Getting "passed" for a vaccine is par for the course. Who knows, maybe 1 in 500 doctors (not visits) might say something if you have allergies or a cold; most won't.
And does the doctor make money on the vaccine? Yes, and a lot more than you think. They get tens of thousands in bonuses if they meet a certain level--say, 30 people. That's ok with the industry, because the industry knows they will make it up on the backend when everyone gets autism, cancer, and other diseases that will need doctor visits and... pharmaceuticals, and then more pharmaceuticals to treat the side effects of the first pharmaceuticals, often to the 3rd level, and sometimes even further.
Nevertheless, a doctor okaying someone for any vaccine, not just these, is neither wise nor thoughtful.
Re: Elder Rasband Covid-19 "vaccines": A "godsend from heaven"
Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 9:44 pm
by PeacefulProtests
silverado wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 10:35 am
PeacefulProtests wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 8:41 am
It was before my time but does anybody remember the 1976 Swine Flu vaccine?. I was talking to my dad the other day and he said the Church back then was pushing that one as well, not sure they went as far as to call it a Godsend but then again they didn't push that "pandemic" nearly as hard as they did this one. Then remember that vaccine was pulled off the market as soon as they realized it was killing people, only a small handful, but that was before drug companies had complete liability protection from these products.
Then there was the 2009 Swine flu debacle which fizzled out after Wolfgang Wodarg called out the WHO, after discovering they were pressured by drug companies into declaring a pandemic to sell vaccines. I remember being in my ward and my bishop urged everybody to take the vaccine in Elders Quorum, at the time I thought why do I need this, nobody around here is sick, so I passed on that one as well. I can't remember what the messaging was from Church headquarters back then but turns out that was a complete scam as well
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... chief.html
The Church seems to have this weird fascination with vaccines and this isn't the first time they've been wrong
My stake president spoke in sacrament meeting a few weeks ago, to urge us to follow the prophet and get the vakz. He said that the church supporting vakz was nothing new. We had been urged to get the polio one back then, and the one in 1976. Great argument for getting it!
Yeah and the Polio vaccine was contaminated with cancer causing SV40 and the Swine flu vaccine was pulled off the market for killing people
