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Revelations given to Harry Edgar Baker in 1917 and 1918.

One of my sons sent me this. I haven't read it in it's entirety yet, but thought some of you may find it of interest.

Apparently this is kept on this server, which is interesting in itself: http://ldsmovement.pbworks.com/w/page/1 ... 20Gentiles

Perhaps this has been posted before.

Sir H

PREFACE to the WORD of the LORD

The revelation printed in this volume was received in the early part of the year 1916, nearly two years prior to its present appearance (referring to the publication in December, 1917), and, in view of the bearing it has upon present conditions in Europe and America, it is considered proper to state, in making the publication at this time, the reasons which have chiefly contributed to its postponement.The MS. was arranged for the publisher without delay, at the first, and was submitted for publication to the editors of the Sunday issues of the Chicago Tribune and the Chicago Examiner, and also to the Chicago Daily News. After giving full consideration to its review, the Tribune editor replied that it was contrary to the policy of the paper to publish articles dealing with religious subjects; and, accordingly, declined to publish it; while the editor of the Examiner complained of its great length for a daily newspaper, but would consider the matter of publication after thirty days, within which time there was no space available. At the expiration of that period the editor declared the article to be "a book," and that he could not give it space. Inasmuch as longer articles were appearing quite frequently in the Sunday Examiner, it was apparent that the reason assigned was evasive and not to be taken as the legitimate cause of its rejection.
The Daily News returned the MS. in accordance with conventional usage in the case of rejected matter, stating that it was "not available" for the uses of the paper. After the above experience it was deemed advisable to let the coming events of the great war, which was then but fairly commenced, speak out more fully before making a further attempt to bring it to the attention of the public.
It was, accordingly, set aside to abide the confirmation of the new history which was rapidly making, though not until several Chicagoans of note had given it a private review.
Toward the close of the present year, 1917, the time was considered opportune for making a second effort, and this decicion was reached more especially because of the importance of the message to the nations, as well as to individuals, at this particular time in the crisis of the conflict.
Nineteen of the leading American monthly magazines were, accordingly, selected and copies of the MS. sent to them. Their editors reviewed them, and each, one after the other, declined to publish the article.
Whereupon the matter was printed in book form, a means of reaching the public which is always open to those who are denied a hearing by reason of the power of public opinion; which power, all too often, stands in its own light and in the light of the world.
Knowing full well that the masses of mankind are not bound down within the narrow limits set by self-interest periodicals, we were assured that a revelation fraught with such consequences, would make its own way among men.
The Christian world, as a whole, in spite of the blindness of many, still knows that the ancient, and indeed, only means of knowledge concerning the providence which overrules the nations, always has been, and always must be, obtained, if at all, by revelation.
That the revelations contained in the Bible constituted the true key to a correct understanding of man's status upon the earth and the fate of the nations, is known to all men who can lay any claim to wisdom in matters of state or of religion either; and they might well know also that the destiny of the modern state should, as a matter of fact, be no exception to the rule.
That there was for many years a breach or interruption in their continuance, from what prevailed in former times, is the stupendous misfortune of the world; for it ushered into the path of history what men designate as "the dark ages," and which was truly the midnight of all time.
That revelation should be renewed again in the latter days: God willing, is devoutly to be desired by all rational and intelligent beings.

http://www.cryfromthedust.net/word_of_the_lord.htm

From Family Search.

Sheri's Account of Harry Edgar Baker

There are several questions regarding the beginnings of the Harry Edgar Baker Family. In attempting to answer some of these questions it is wise to bear in mind that what is here written is only partially a complete story gleaned from family legend and oral history, therefore much may be conjecture. Please consider the actual climate of the period as it relates to the difficulties and even dangers of persons involved in polygamy.

Harry had cared tenderly for his mother, Rose Lucia Thurston Baker who had suffered a devastating and crippling stroke. Daily, Harry groomed his mother and carried her from her upstairs bedroom, downstairs to her living room parlor. There Rose was beautifully dressed to receive such visitors who may happen to pay respects. It is said that Rose was one of Washington D.C.'s most prominent and gracious hostess. She was an intelligent woman who was able to conduct seven games of chess simultaneously and defeat all combatants.

After the death of his beloved Mother, Harry was exhausted because of the energies he had expended in attending to her every need. In an effort to recuperate it was decided that Harry should take a rest vacation. He had no destination in mind but determined a westerly direction and boarded a train. At each potential stop that offered a possible pleasant respite, Harry would make preparations to descend the train; each occasion was met with a visual image of a hand prompting him to continue his journey still more westerly. Harry wondered why he should be in receipt of a vision, especially one so unusual, but he was unable to ignore the strong undeniable impression a destiny awaited him at a still more distant place. As the train pulled into Ogden, Weber County, Utah, the guiding symbol disappeared and Harry knew this was where it was intended he stay.

He got off the train and inquired where he might go for lodgings in a quiet, contemplative atmosphere. Some rooms in Huntsville, Utah were suggested. After settling in these accommodations Harry noticed a book, a book titled, The Book of Mormon. He began to read and he read and read never stopping until he had finished the book in its entirety. He immediately sought out church authority and asked for baptism into the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Harry was told that he must wait several weeks, that he didn't have enough information and couldn't possibly know enough at this point. Harry replied, "That may be true, but I'll never know with more assuredly than I do now that this book is true; that it is what it proposes to be---it is the word of God."

After his baptism, Harry returned to the East in great anticipation of teaching his family and bringing them to join the main body of the Saints in Utah. However, heartbreaking disappointment followed. Harry's entire family ---Father, brother, wife were horrified and chagrined with the news of his church membership and plans to return...

https://www.familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/41172291

A lot to chew on here.

Red and black are the colours of Communism and left wing anarchism.

"out of the sea the monsters of the deep shall rise up; and they shall send forth desolations as a flood upon that land"

Sounds like submarines. Which were around in his time but not very advanced.

SECTION XIII.
1 A country that is select and beautiful, a land that I have set my seal upon, will I also rend, saith the Lord, and a little one shall set it upon edge, endwise. Call now your watchman to the tower, and keep a vigil upon the Lord, that you may know that I will do it.
2. And the city in the border, which is the center thereof, will I pluck up, saith the Lord; and I will scatter the workmen of that city, and the banner thereof will I tear in pieces.
3. And out of the sea the monsters of the deep shall rise up; and they shall send forth desolations as a flood upon that land. And I will bring clouds of dense darkness, and overcast them with the red glare of war. And they shall hang over that land, and the fear of the Lord shall seize the hearts of that people. For, lo, the red and the black shall be against her; and their gathering hosts will crowd upon the plain; and blood shall wash away the filth and the wickedness of that land.
4. For I will shake her center, saith the Lord; and her poles of liberty shall be riven as with the lightning; for her ways are corrupted before me.
5. The path of peace is no longer found in her borders and her statue of justice is broken down. Her honorable men have done it.
6. Her judges connive with men of shrewd devices and are full of pandering. Her halls of legislation are corrupted with bribery and the people of that land seek to conceal away the lawless. Everywhere is heard the voice of them that cried, release unto us Barabbas. The statutes of the law, they will not suffer to be enforced; but esteem it worthy to shield the guilty. And the crafty defense of the murderer is rewarded with honor; for the evil technicalities of the law, are turned to the profit and the glory of professional men; while they who shed the blood of innocence go free. Her forces of law and order are become conspirators in crime; and her criminals are fast multiplying in the highways of her notable cities. Thus, the land is filled with violence, and there is no safety.
7. Shall such a people govern? Where is the peaceful dwelling place of your fathers? The place of safety, for my little ones, that they may not grow up corrupted? Answer thou me, shall such a people govern? And shall these things continue, till there are none righteous among them that are left to dwell upon the earth, even as it was in the days of Noah? Is it not well that I have numbered your days, to make an end of them? Answer me in this also, saith the Lord.
8. And ye boast of liberty. Has not that liberty which your fathers obtained in blood, become a delusion and a sham? Hear now the Lord. You grind the face of the poor; and for the toiler, the producer of all your material wealth, you have no mercy; you would yoke him as a beast of burden. The widow and the orphan, where is your provision for them? Your shrewd men rob them, and you leave them alone to perish. Also the feeble and the aged - show me the providing statute. Only the criminal do you house and feed, and all my little ones must suffer. The strong ones who make the law make it unto themselves, while the helpless perish under their care.
9. And will you call this liberty? Aye, and will you celebrate it, forgetful of your oppressions? Behold, is not bondage the name thereof ? Do they enjoy liberty whom you grind down, and in your greed, ride upon their necks? Is there any liberty at all when there is not liberty for all? Or, is it liberty, that you possess a franchise of sovereign power to return corrupt men to office, who rule in unrighteousness, and continually crush the weak under foot?
10. Hear now the Lord speak. I will drive you from the seat of authority. There shall not a corrupt man be left to rob and to plunder my people, saith the Lord. Yea, and I will break down the strong pillars of your constitution, except you remember the helpless, to set my people free. For the Lord will make bare his strong right arm, and he himself will be their emancipator.

Niemand wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 4:49 am A lot to chew on here.

Red and black are the colours of Communism and left wing anarchism.

"out of the sea the monsters of the deep shall rise up; and they shall send forth desolations as a flood upon that land"

Sounds like submarines. Which were around in his time but not very advanced.

SECTION XIII.
1 A country that is select and beautiful, a land that I have set my seal upon, will I also rend, saith the Lord, and a little one shall set it upon edge, endwise. Call now your watchman to the tower, and keep a vigil upon the Lord, that you may know that I will do it.
2. And the city in the border, which is the center thereof, will I pluck up, saith the Lord; and I will scatter the workmen of that city, and the banner thereof will I tear in pieces.
3. And out of the sea the monsters of the deep shall rise up; and they shall send forth desolations as a flood upon that land. And I will bring clouds of dense darkness, and overcast them with the red glare of war. And they shall hang over that land, and the fear of the Lord shall seize the hearts of that people. For, lo, the red and the black shall be against her; and their gathering hosts will crowd upon the plain; and blood shall wash away the filth and the wickedness of that land.
4. For I will shake her center, saith the Lord; and her poles of liberty shall be riven as with the lightning; for her ways are corrupted before me.
5. The path of peace is no longer found in her borders and her statue of justice is broken down. Her honorable men have done it.
6. Her judges connive with men of shrewd devices and are full of pandering. Her halls of legislation are corrupted with bribery and the people of that land seek to conceal away the lawless. Everywhere is heard the voice of them that cried, release unto us Barabbas. The statutes of the law, they will not suffer to be enforced; but esteem it worthy to shield the guilty. And the crafty defense of the murderer is rewarded with honor; for the evil technicalities of the law, are turned to the profit and the glory of professional men; while they who shed the blood of innocence go free. Her forces of law and order are become conspirators in crime; and her criminals are fast multiplying in the highways of her notable cities. Thus, the land is filled with violence, and there is no safety.
7. Shall such a people govern? Where is the peaceful dwelling place of your fathers? The place of safety, for my little ones, that they may not grow up corrupted? Answer thou me, shall such a people govern? And shall these things continue, till there are none righteous among them that are left to dwell upon the earth, even as it was in the days of Noah? Is it not well that I have numbered your days, to make an end of them? Answer me in this also, saith the Lord.
8. And ye boast of liberty. Has not that liberty which your fathers obtained in blood, become a delusion and a sham? Hear now the Lord. You grind the face of the poor; and for the toiler, the producer of all your material wealth, you have no mercy; you would yoke him as a beast of burden. The widow and the orphan, where is your provision for them? Your shrewd men rob them, and you leave them alone to perish. Also the feeble and the aged - show me the providing statute. Only the criminal do you house and feed, and all my little ones must suffer. The strong ones who make the law make it unto themselves, while the helpless perish under their care.
9. And will you call this liberty? Aye, and will you celebrate it, forgetful of your oppressions? Behold, is not bondage the name thereof ? Do they enjoy liberty whom you grind down, and in your greed, ride upon their necks? Is there any liberty at all when there is not liberty for all? Or, is it liberty, that you possess a franchise of sovereign power to return corrupt men to office, who rule in unrighteousness, and continually crush the weak under foot?
10. Hear now the Lord speak. I will drive you from the seat of authority. There shall not a corrupt man be left to rob and to plunder my people, saith the Lord. Yea, and I will break down the strong pillars of your constitution, except you remember the helpless, to set my people free. For the Lord will make bare his strong right arm, and he himself will be their emancipator.

There is indeed a lot to chew on.

Fascinating really.

I still haven't finished it.

It rings true.

Sir H

I noticed one factual error in the revelation. It says that John the Baptist was from the loins of Judah.
My understanding is that he was a Levite.

Robin Hood wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 6:20 am I noticed one factual error in the revelation. It says that John the Baptist was from the loins of Judah.
My understanding is that he was a Levite.

Good catch.

Now we have to determine which is true.

I am not well versed on that detail.

Do you have a link?

Sir H

Robin Hood wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 6:20 am I noticed one factual error in the revelation. It says that John the Baptist was from the loins of Judah.
My understanding is that he was a Levite.

John was Christ's cousin, who was a descendant of Judah for sure. Therefore, it can be assumed that John the Baptist was ALSO a descendant of Judah through their common ancestor.

Durzan wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 6:43 am

Robin Hood wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 6:20 am I noticed one factual error in the revelation. It says that John the Baptist was from the loins of Judah.
My understanding is that he was a Levite.

John was Christ's cousin, who was a descendant of Judah for sure. Therefore, it can be assumed that John the Baptist was ALSO a descendant of Judah through their common ancestor.

Obviously there will be crossover. Are we sure John wasn't Jesus' cousin through Joseph, his legal father?
That aside, John's descent from a Levite line is well understood. How else did he inherit the Levitical/Aaronic priesthood?

Robin Hood wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 7:03 am

Durzan wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 6:43 am

Robin Hood wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 6:20 am I noticed one factual error in the revelation. It says that John the Baptist was from the loins of Judah.
My understanding is that he was a Levite.

John was Christ's cousin, who was a descendant of Judah for sure. Therefore, it can be assumed that John the Baptist was ALSO a descendant of Judah through their common ancestor.

Obviously there will be crossover. Are we sure John wasn't Jesus' cousin through Joseph, his legal father?
That aside, John's descent from a Levite line is well understood. How else did he inherit the Levitical/Aaronic priesthood?

Elizabeth was Mary’s cousin but who’s to say Zacharias wasn’t related to Jospeh

Iceberg wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 8:32 am

Robin Hood wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 7:03 am

Durzan wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 6:43 am

Robin Hood wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 6:20 am I noticed one factual error in the revelation. It says that John the Baptist was from the loins of Judah.
My understanding is that he was a Levite.

John was Christ's cousin, who was a descendant of Judah for sure. Therefore, it can be assumed that John the Baptist was ALSO a descendant of Judah through their common ancestor.

Obviously there will be crossover. Are we sure John wasn't Jesus' cousin through Joseph, his legal father?
That aside, John's descent from a Levite line is well understood. How else did he inherit the Levitical/Aaronic priesthood?

Elizabeth was Mary’s cousin but who’s to say Zacharias wasn’t related to Jospeh

Robinhood is right.

Joseph Smith:
"Here is a little of law which must be fulfilled. The Levitical Priesthood is forever hereditary—fixed on the head of Aaron and his sons forever, and was in active operation down to Zacharias the father of John. Zacharias would have had no child had not God given him a son. He sent his angel to declare unto Zacharias that his wife Elizabeth should bear him a son, whose name was to be called John. The keys of the Aaronic Priesthood were committed unto him, and he was as the voice of one crying in the wilderness saying: 'Prepare ye the way of the Lord and make his paths straight'" (STPJS, 318).

The "revelation" is very wordy without saying a great deal.

Robin Hood wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 9:33 am The "revelation" is very wordy without saying a great deal.

I thought this was quite interesting

out of the sea the monsters of the deep shall rise up; and they shall send forth desolations as a flood upon that land

If we take this semi-literally, and about submarines, then this became a real issue in the late sixties and seventies onwards. The State of Israel has a fleet of submarines which it keeps out to sea most of the time for if it becomes invaded/bombed.

The UK's nuclear deterrent seems to be largely submarine based as well, and the Russians/Soviets have relied on that model for a long time.

I'm sure military submarines have nasty things on them besides nukes, possibly biological weapons too.

This is a pretty impressive for 1917, but if he had predicted the scale of the Great War in 1912, say I would be more impressed.

Niemand wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 9:38 am

Robin Hood wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 9:33 am The "revelation" is very wordy without saying a great deal.

I thought this was quite interesting

out of the sea the monsters of the deep shall rise up; and they shall send forth desolations as a flood upon that land

If we take this semi-literally, and about submarines, then this became a real issue in the late sixties and seventies onwards. The State of Israel has a fleet of submarines which it keeps out to sea most of the time for if it becomes invaded/bombed.

The UK's nuclear deterrent seems to be largely submarine based as well, and the Russians/Soviets have relied on that model for a long time.

I'm sure military submarines have nasty things on them besides nukes, possibly biological weapons too.

This is a pretty impressive for 1917, but if he had predicted the scale of the Great War in 1912, say I would be more impressed.

I agree. And world war two was only 20 years or so away, so a heads up about that would have been useful.

SECTION XV.
6. Behold, ye know that my coming is at the door and ye look for a prophet. Verily, I say unto you, at the door of the tabernacle of Zion have I laid a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense. Will you bring into her gates the blindness that fell upon Judah? You have brought an evil report. One has lied against me, and a whole company have believed the lie. You have been tale-bearers against me. Yea, from a distance, and from afar off, you have borne a false witness against me.

7. From the north you have lied, and out of the earth you have lied; even out of the very ground, you have lied against me, saith the Lord. Lo, these many years you have lied.

8. Yet, I would not speak. I did not answer. I would not suffer my silence to be broken; that my people might fill up their cup to the full; that I might deal with them, saith the Lord; and that after that, I might once again renew unto them the word of the Lord, and bless them, saith the Lord of Hosts.

Brigham Young, is that you?

SECTION III.
10. Now, if you, who are of the House of Israel, had realized this, as you ought to have done, you would not now, at the return of your Lord, be found upholding the administration of a priesthood appointed of yourselves; but you would have called upon me and I would have commissioned my servants and sent them to you; for he that keepeth to the law and to the testimony and is fervent in prayer, availeth much.

11. But from the first, when I sent my servants unto your fathers, they were put to death. And it was only with the ministry appointed of men that the world was content. For the ministry of men you received, and you rewarded them well and you killed them not. Wherefore, the Lord also was content, and unto this day you have continued under the ministry of men and not of God.

12. Wherefore, in mercy gave I unto their ministry, the testimony of Jesus and the spirit of repentance, that it might not be utterly dark unto the House of Israel, while they traveled in the wilderness unto the day of my coming. Wherefore, it mattereth not unto what form ye are joined; for behold, I say unto you, it is not possible to obtain the Gospel of Jesus Christ unto salvation, through the ministry of men, neither, by the use of money, for the pure doctrines of God are corrupted thereby; even as ye already know, that all the governments of men over the face of the whole earth, are corrupted by the use thereof.

13. Ye know that I sent my disciples forth without purse or script; and without wages for their hire, save it were that which was freely given to them of men. Ye know that I would not suffer them to receive a stipend of the world.

14. Why is it then, ye have purchased unto yourselves a corruptible ministry with money; in whose doctrines ye have divided the world for gain?

15. Shall the Lord uphold the ministry of a people who do these things, and who fain would make their God accessory to the abominations of Satan; who hath filled the world with confusion; and with false doctrines hedged up the way of salvation for my people Israel?

16. Now therefore, O House of Israel, hear ye the Word of the Lord and be it known in every nation, and with every people, that the ministry of men, having made bold to preach unto the world that revelation is done away, that they may build up churches without God, to make merchandise of the souls of men, shall presently cease from among you altogether; and my people shall once more hear the voice of revelation, as of old. For verily, they shall be brought to know that the will of God, which is made known by revelation, cannot be frustrated by the will of man, neither by his works of unbelief. For, though the faith of men languish in all the earth, yet will I cause them to know that God hath both the power to speak and to make men hear.

I believe these books are from God. They absolutely ring true to me. As His sheep, I know His voice.

These verses are speaking of the lack of revelation in regards to receiving the Melchizedek priesthood. Our current priesthood is lineal, men ordaining men. God has not personally called out anyone to the highest priesthood like at the Morley Farm since... I don't know, maybe the Morley Farm.

Anyway, thank you for bringing these scriptures to my attention.

Wondering Wendy wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2021, 4:44 pm

SECTION III.
10. Now, if you, who are of the House of Israel, had realized this, as you ought to have done, you would not now, at the return of your Lord, be found upholding the administration of a priesthood appointed of yourselves; but you would have called upon me and I would have commissioned my servants and sent them to you; for he that keepeth to the law and to the testimony and is fervent in prayer, availeth much.

11. But from the first, when I sent my servants unto your fathers, they were put to death. And it was only with the ministry appointed of men that the world was content. For the ministry of men you received, and you rewarded them well and you killed them not. Wherefore, the Lord also was content, and unto this day you have continued under the ministry of men and not of God.

12. Wherefore, in mercy gave I unto their ministry, the testimony of Jesus and the spirit of repentance, that it might not be utterly dark unto the House of Israel, while they traveled in the wilderness unto the day of my coming. Wherefore, it mattereth not unto what form ye are joined; for behold, I say unto you, it is not possible to obtain the Gospel of Jesus Christ unto salvation, through the ministry of men, neither, by the use of money, for the pure doctrines of God are corrupted thereby; even as ye already know, that all the governments of men over the face of the whole earth, are corrupted by the use thereof.

13. Ye know that I sent my disciples forth without purse or script; and without wages for their hire, save it were that which was freely given to them of men. Ye know that I would not suffer them to receive a stipend of the world.

14. Why is it then, ye have purchased unto yourselves a corruptible ministry with money; in whose doctrines ye have divided the world for gain?

15. Shall the Lord uphold the ministry of a people who do these things, and who fain would make their God accessory to the abominations of Satan; who hath filled the world with confusion; and with false doctrines hedged up the way of salvation for my people Israel?

16. Now therefore, O House of Israel, hear ye the Word of the Lord and be it known in every nation, and with every people, that the ministry of men, having made bold to preach unto the world that revelation is done away, that they may build up churches without God, to make merchandise of the souls of men, shall presently cease from among you altogether; and my people shall once more hear the voice of revelation, as of old. For verily, they shall be brought to know that the will of God, which is made known by revelation, cannot be frustrated by the will of man, neither by his works of unbelief. For, though the faith of men languish in all the earth, yet will I cause them to know that God hath both the power to speak and to make men hear.

I believe these books are from God. They absolutely ring true to me. As his sheep, I know His voice.

These verses are speaking of the lack of revelation in regards to receiving the Melchizedek priesthood. Our current priesthood is lineal, men ordaining men. God has not personally called out anyone to the highest priesthood like at the Morley Farm since... I don't know, maybe the Morley Farm.

Anyway, thank you for bringing these scriptures to my attention.

I feel the same way.

True doctrine.

Sir H