LDS Freedom Forum

Secularism

A position that religious belief should not influence public and governmental decisions.

The left in western countries would for the most part have you believe what you have just read. It is not alright for you to vote or shape law according to any of your closely held religious beliefs. In fact, some of the most radical say Christians should not be allowed to vote.
This means that the left can use their atheism or any other communistic/secular ideas and attitudes to form policy, but you can't. Nice, the same old ideas of early communism. No wonder they have of late, come out in the open about cancel culture.

Our law is based on Judeo christian values, patterns and laws from the old testament. Jurys are made up of a quorum of 12 people to decide/give verdicts in our form of government...you gotta wonder where that came from......so many people have no clue what they are saying when they say religion has no place in our government. Secularism will be the most unjust merciless society ever.....equity is the result ..not equality....no merit, just connections, race or Poverty will decide then.....that will be great right? Equality under the law will be obsolete...but that's what the secular idiots are calling for.

farmerchick wrote: ↑November 21st, 2021, 10:31 pm Our law is based on Judeo christian values, patterns and laws from the old testament. Jurys are made up of a quorum of 12 people to decide/give verdicts in our form of government...you gotta wonder where that came from......so many people have no clue what they are saying when they say religion has no place in our government. Secularism will be the most unjust merciless society ever.....equity is the result ..not equality....no merit, just connections, race or Poverty will decide then.....that will be great right? Equality under the law will be obsolete...but that's what the secular idiots are calling for.

The Jury System that you speak of came from the al-Maliki fiqh of Islam, which was brought over to England, and from there to the United States.

The American legal system takes from a lot of different belief structures. Going to the Supreme Court building to look at the great legislators of antiquity and modern times is really an eye-opening experience.

I for one generally believe in the basic concept of secularism, ESPECIALLY in a nation that holds to freedom of religion to the point where we forbid the official state sponsorship of a specific religion. Religion and politics generally don't mix well. Just one look at how corrupt and messy the Theocratic governments of old were is enough to convince me of this truth.

However, that doesn't mean that Politics can realistically be 100% isolated from religious influence; that's both impossible and impractical. So logically, Religion should be able to have some indirect influence, but have no real direct power in the political decision making process.

The very prophetic Neal A Maxwell once said secularism as the state religion is a new form a paganism used to shrink freedom and reject the principles of christianity.

Take a good listen or a read . meeting the challenges of today, delivered at BYU Oct 10, 1978.

Meeting the Challenges of Today | Neal A. Maxwell | 1978https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqqfwnICDGU

That was Maxwells intro thought...if you are brave enough you will read on and learn of the difficulties and trials he forsaw.

Talk was in 1978, could have been 2018 or even 2021.

Subcomandante wrote: ↑November 22nd, 2021, 2:14 am

farmerchick wrote: ↑November 21st, 2021, 10:31 pm Our law is based on Judeo christian values, patterns and laws from the old testament. Jurys are made up of a quorum of 12 people to decide/give verdicts in our form of government...you gotta wonder where that came from......so many people have no clue what they are saying when they say religion has no place in our government. Secularism will be the most unjust merciless society ever.....equity is the result ..not equality....no merit, just connections, race or Poverty will decide then.....that will be great right? Equality under the law will be obsolete...but that's what the secular idiots are calling for.

The Jury System that you speak of came from the al-Maliki fiqh of Islam, which was brought over to England, and from there to the United States.

The American legal system takes from a lot of different belief structures. Going to the Supreme Court building to look at the great legislators of antiquity and modern times is really an eye-opening experience.

No it doesn't.

Why do you feel the need to inject Islam into everything?
It's a false religion.

Rhona Romney McDaniel rejects traditional marriage, parenthood and has made it clear publicly that the republican part who she represents any prevention of transgender or LGBTQ changes. So, if the republican party continues to push this idea then they will change laws that will put a dad in jail if he is opposed to his daughter taking male hormones or a salon could be arrested for not wanting to wax some transgenders' testicles. 21 house republicans are pushing to make transgender a federally protected class. One of them is John Curtis--Utah. All protections will be taken from everyone who does not want to support this idea. They are now attacking christians. Most of the people arrested for Jan 6 visit to the capitol are christian and were observed praying and singing on Jan 6.

The people who support Romney and the republican party also support transgender, children getting hormones, the attack on christians since they support these mormons that are traitors to Jesus Christ. Judas Iscariot couldn't have been much worse than these republicans.

btw: I'm still praying that the churches members sins will be shouted from the housetops from prophets to leaders to the lowest member. scathing reports on Romneys are in the news.

In the noon talks show for KCMO (kansas city missouri) the news caster pummeled the mormon church and the new vending machine to donate items for poor people. He also was mad that one of the local politicians spent his time cutting the ribbon instead of fighting crime. Then, there was whole barrage of phone calls making fun of the people and leaders in the COJCLDS. This is not persecution of the LDS church anymore. Unfortunately it is the truth and we will continue to have our sins shouted. Romneys, Huyntsmans, the president of New Zealand(boy or girl, IDK), Osmonds and other celebrity type as well as the stupid women in the rich part of SLC that donated to Black Lives Matter, etc have brought this on. Repent and beg for mercy

Those of you who believe that "religion" has nothing to do with politics will rue the day. You are wrong since religion like any other philosophy including socialism, or facism, etc. belongs part of the equation all the time.

In the noon talks show for KCMO (kansas city missouri) the news caster pummeled the mormon church and the new vending machine to donate items for poor people. He also was mad that one of the local politicians spent his time cutting the ribbon instead of fighting crime. Then, there was whole barrage of phone calls making fun of the people and leaders in the COJCLDS.

Wow, this is interesting and frightening. I could ignore a passing comment but for this guy to do a segment of the show and take callers on it? This in conservative,religious Kansas.

Meanwhile in Southern California USC fans fill the stadium with shouts of "F@$# the Mormons".

Lds people are in a precarious position. We try to be christians for the American evangelicals---and they call us a cult and whisper about the church's wealth. On the other hand the church supports Equality Utah and tries to speak woke, but the left only screams for more and speaks of taxing the church out of existence.

If the USA culture war turns into a bloody war the LDS people could get bloodied by both sides. Yes sir, a very precarious position.